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Bob Brown working to obtain full-blown democracy for the ACT

By toriness 3 March 2011 14

The Crimes article has put a “civil union take 2” slant on it which I personally like but also realise it’s not going to excite a lot of other people.

The great and greater part about the news piece is that there will be a private member’s bill introduced in the Senate tomorrow by Senator Brown, and which already has ALP backing, to remove the federal government ability to veto Territory laws through relatively easy executive action: Senator Brown’s amendment would ensure territory laws could only be overturned by an act of federal parliament rather than a decision of the executive.

This means our democratically elected ACT government will be able to make laws for our Territory without fear of the federal government overturning them in an exceptionally autocratic manner. Which will put us on par with the States in terms of democratic standing and independence. About time – and begs the question why one of our ACT federal representatives haven’t showed this initiative before. Instead it took a Tasmanian Greens MP to stand up for the ACT? Anyway at least it’s in motion!

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facet 1:15 pm 04 Mar 11

Thanks Skidbladnir there are of course 12 Senators per State (even Tasmania which has 0.7% more Australians than the ACT).
I note that the NT Senators also represent constituents from Christmas Island and the Cocos (Keeling) Islands), while the senators from the ACT also represent voters from the Jervis Bay Territory.
This presumably leaves residents of the Australian Antarctic Territory out in the cold.

KaptnKaos 12:20 pm 04 Mar 11

Yes please, let this go through, this town needs a decent civil revolt to wake up the noobs trying to run this show.

chewy14 10:52 am 04 Mar 11

Thumper said :

Democracy for the ACT?

Let’s start with self government hey?

Oh that’s right, we didn’t want it and it was forced on us by the then federal government.

And seriously, do you really want this current bunch of muppets making all our decisions without a watchdog?

+1
Our local council doesn’t need any more powers. They are doing a fine job of completely stuffing everything up as it is.
We simply don’t have the critical mass of people to be given this autonomy.

Erg0 10:35 am 04 Mar 11

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at the fact that allowing an intelligent, well-informed segment of the population to make decisions for themselves is somehow considered a dangerous idea.

Skidbladnir 9:33 am 04 Mar 11

facet said :

States have ten Senators and the ACT and NT have two each. If you live in an Australian Territory you are a second class citizen.

How old are you?
There hasn’t been ten senators per state for over twenty-five years. Current list and numbers are here

facet said :

Your opinion is discounted in deciding referendums.
According to the “Australian” this is because you are more likely to be over educated and therefore out of touch with “real” Australians who take their lead from the likes of Alan Jones, Neil Mitchell etc.

Thats because Alan Jones and the Australian love to play No True Scotsman whenever they can.
If you disagree with the Australian, you’re not ‘real Australian’ enough, so must be un-Australian.

facet 8:47 am 04 Mar 11

States have ten Senators and the ACT and NT have two each. If you live in an Australian Territory you are a second class citizen.
Your opinion is discounted in deciding referendums.
According to the “Australian” this is because you are more likely to be over educated and therefore out of touch with “real” Australians who take their lead from the likes of Alan Jones, Neil Mitchell etc.

Those that live in the Brisbane City Council, still get full representation in the Federal Government.

    johnboy 8:48 am 04 Mar 11

    Well we are, on average more educated, and not in line with the majority views of the rest of Australia, it was a statement of the bleeding obvious.

Thumper 8:22 am 04 Mar 11

Democracy for the ACT?

Let’s start with self government hey?

Oh that’s right, we didn’t want it and it was forced on us by the then federal government.

And seriously, do you really want this current bunch of muppets making all our decisions without a watchdog?

breda 10:46 pm 03 Mar 11

The ACT will never become a State, although the NT might.

The Commonwealth Government has things to lose and nothing to gain. You can be sure that AGs is advising against any presumption that the seat of the Commonwealth Government will ever be given away.

An Act of Parliament can give autonomy to the ACT, and another one later could take it away. That’s the way it is going to stay. Yes, it is annoying, but it is part and parcel of living in a city full of national (federally funded) institutions and the benefits that go with them. That said, there is a good case for minimum intervention, which has largely prevailed. The issues where meddling federal pollies have become involved are the grandstanding symbolic ones which do not set us apart from most or all States. It is not as if people can run over the border to Queanbeyan to have their gay marriage or organise legally assisted death.

Oh, and anyone who thinks that Bob Brown cares about territories out of the goodness of his heart is naive. He is using it as a way of furthering his social agenda. I don’t have any objection to gay marriage, for example, but it is just plain dishonest to pretend that he is doing this because the status of the ACT keeps him awake at night.

LSWCHP 9:34 pm 03 Mar 11

So Bob’s on the job, eh? I presume that there will be much pontification in a nasal drawl. Points will be made. Hands will be waved. Air will be heated and expelled. Brows will be furrowed…etc etc

But I really doubt that anything will actually *happen*.

ainsliebraddon 7:42 pm 03 Mar 11

I thought everyone in the ACT voted against self government in the 1980s? Twice?

The ACT should not have the rights of a state. The ACT government is nothing more than a local council. Personally I find it ridiculous that Liberal / Labour / Greens should have different ideas on how to empty a rubbish bin or how often to mow the lawn.

The city council of Brisbane has a jurisdiction of over 2 million people. Should their local council gain state status?

I say back off Bob Brown and get on with some real issues.

bigfeet 6:21 pm 03 Mar 11

Well it sounds like a good and sensible idea.

But if it is something that Bob Brown supports then I am against it on principle.

Buzz2600 4:00 pm 03 Mar 11

The ACT and NT should have the same powers as the other states – end of argument.

Bosworth 1:59 pm 03 Mar 11

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