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Brawling Firies of Queanbeyan

By johnboy - 16 August 2010 40

The Canberra Times has a surprising snippet from Queanbeyan:

NSW Emergency Services Minister Steve Whan has demanded rival groups of Queanbeyan firefighters resolve a long-standing conflict after police were called to a brawl that broke out at Queanbeyan Fire Station on Friday night.

Police and the NSW Fire Brigade are investigating the fist fight, said to be the latest confrontation between permanent and part-time firefighters at the station.

One imagines some arcane point about entitlements is at the heart of it.

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Brawling Firies of Queanbeyan
Mr Evil 10:05 pm 18 Aug 10

Gee, anyone would think there were problems within the NSWFB. Nothing wrong with a bit of bastardisation – keeps the blokes keen, and lets them know who’s really in charge.

People need to realise that it’s perfectly normal for male firefighters to investigate their colleagues penises & rub boot polish all over their scrotums, bend junior members of the brigade over and spank their bottoms with a large stick, and make them eat coleslaw out from between each others buttocks…..

Good clean, manly fun; that doesn’t do anyone any harm at all.

hot heads 7:58 pm 18 Aug 10

Whether manned by Permanent or Retained personnel,it would be hardly likely for the NSW Fire Brigade to hand the station over to the ACT, considering that the reverse was once the case. Irrespective of who runs the show, appropriate and professional monitoring and management is essential, especially in a case such as this where dual management exists.
Those running the show at Queanbeyan have been known for years to be growing too big for their boots (and not only to the retained staff, either) but a responsibility must also rest on the shoulders of those whose negligence has facilitated this collapse. When one considers that senior operators largely gain their rank through copying other senior operators, we may just be witnessing a case of monkey see, monkey do!!!

Toughenup 7:56 pm 18 Aug 10

p1 said :

The fact that the majority of people making the big comments on this subject are “Newbies”, toughenup, I would suggest that they are people with some interest in or understanding of the situation. While the are undoubtedly putting forward their own view of things, that what this sort of site is for.

So, what is your take?

point taken. That is what the site is for.

And in these sort of incidents theres always two sides to a story. So it will be interesting to see what action is taken in-light of all the other brigade problems that have come out of late.

And I do agree with andy555, that at that station they all need to work as a team. As its a very important role that firefighters play in our community. Hopefully a resolution can be found quickly that brings that station and its employees together to do the role that they’re hired for. Don’t you all work under the same banner andy555?

andy555 4:27 pm 18 Aug 10

Toughenup said :

You are kidding yourselfs. Unless any of you know what actually happened and or how the fire bridge work. You’d better do some research people.

No you are kidding as it looks like – You are kidding yourself – it really looks like its you that need to do your research on how a fire station should operate . its about time that people really found out what there fire levy is paying for and why the fire station has been reduced to the state that it is today – there is no room at Queanbeyan fire station – for a bunch of permanent fire fighters that think they know it all . to cut a long story short you either work as a teem or go – this has not only wrecked the station but has also reduced the reputation that it once had with the people of Queanbeyan to gutter trash .

p1 2:45 pm 18 Aug 10

The fact that the majority of people making the big comments on this subject are “Newbies”, toughenup, I would suggest that they are people with some interest in or understanding of the situation. While the are undoubtedly putting forward their own view of things, that what this sort of site is for.

So, what is your take?

georgesgenitals 2:31 pm 18 Aug 10

Toughenup said :

You are kidding yourselfs. Unless any of you know what actually happened and or how the fire bridge work. You’d better do some research people.

Why don’t you enlighten us?

Toughenup 2:21 pm 18 Aug 10

You are kidding yourselfs. Unless any of you know what actually happened and or how the fire bridge work. You’d better do some research people.

andy555 1:08 pm 18 Aug 10

hot heads said :

Whether or not Permanent firies belong at Queanbeyan is a question clearly being asked by locals. I would like to highlight that Permanent firemen usually operate in metropolitan areas under the constant gaze of peers and superiors. In such situations, all personnel are routinely transferred to other stations and get to work with a variety of colleagues.. This level of supervision, support and cross-pollination helps to level the playing field and alleviate the ‘kingly’ status some would seek to otherwise gain. If we look to our system of government, we see the need for regular review and change. In a small organism, such as the fire brigade,permanent firies not only bond in their firefighting tasks but eat, sleep and live together much of the time. This closed capsule can lead to an unhealthy alliance of inwardly looking, self-serving behaviours such as those now being revealed at Queanbeyan. These people are public servants – not self-servants and a de-throning or two may help them to remember who pays their wages!

Do Permanent fire fighters belong at Queanbeyan .

The over all question to be answered for Queanbeyan fire station is can it provide a fire service for the town of Queanbeyan with a reasonable response time to business and also to residential properties on a 24 / 7 basis . firstly in the day time and then at night and also a 100 percent guarantee that an appliance will respond when required . with just part time fire fighters there is no 100 percent guarantee . remember Queanbeyan is a city that employs a large number of people and has a large population . with just part time fire fighters it can meet the requirements how ever it cant give a 100 percent guarantee for a response .

How ever the situation of a 100 percent guaranteed response time would have been easily fixed by sending the permanent fire fighters home to Sydney and by using a cross boarder memorandum of under standing between the act fb and nsw fb and by placing more station officers at the fire station and making some of the part time fire fighters full time . the fire levy for residences would have remained the same . Queanbeyan did once have one of the best fire stations with a well trained crew and 4 fire trucks – lets hope that one day Queanbeyan can again be proud of its fire station .

hot heads 11:25 am 18 Aug 10

Whether or not Permanent firies belong at Queanbeyan is a question clearly being asked by locals. I would like to highlight that Permanent firemen usually operate in metropolitan areas under the constant gaze of peers and superiors. In such situations, all personnel are routinely transferred to other stations and get to work with a variety of colleagues.. This level of supervision, support and cross-pollination helps to level the playing field and alleviate the ‘kingly’ status some would seek to otherwise gain. If we look to our system of government, we see the need for regular review and change. In a small organism, such as the fire brigade,permanent firies not only bond in their firefighting tasks but eat, sleep and live together much of the time. This closed capsule can lead to an unhealthy alliance of inwardly looking, self-serving behaviours such as those now being revealed at Queanbeyan. These people are public servants – not self-servants and a de-throning or two may help them to remember who pays their wages!

andy555 12:10 am 18 Aug 10

Crikey said :

There has been a lot of talk around town that a hand full of bully boys are running the Queanbeyan Station like a ‘club-med’, running personal errands in the fire trucks, long coffee breaks and lunches while on duty and bastardisation of the volunteer fire fighters.

This all pretty embarrassing for local Member Steve Whan as it’s all happening under his watch and he’s their Minister too. Apparently, he is frightened to act as it will upset the Union movement.

There is no reason for the local Member to be embarrassed other than for what the permanent fire fighters have done – the town of queanbeyan has been placed in a position where it has 2 fire crews – a permanent fire crew and a part time fire crew – its true that the permanent fire fighters lack the dedication and community spirit of that of the part time fire fighters and if you look back at the history of queanbeyan fire station you will find the facts are correct .

• This fire station would have operated fine if the nsw fb had placed 4 station officers back to back at the station and offered the positions of permanent fire fighter to the fire fighters that were already employed as part time fire fighters at the station .

• In the past The nsw fb did expect the part time fire fighters to operate and do the same job drive and operate the same equipment as the now permanent fire fighters do . there is no difference at all to the work apart from the pay . how ever the nsw fb doesn’t offer the opportunity to the part time fire fighters to become permanent fire fighters at there own fire station after some had been employed there for over 10 years . – so wrong –

• Years ago There was going to be a police rescue squad placed in queanbeyan how ever after the effort put in by the people of queanbeyan and the part time fire fighters it was made possible for the fire station to operate as a primary rescue station and that is why it is a primary rescue station today . remember the original rescue equipment for the city of queanbeyan was paid for by the people of queanbeyan and also by money raised by the part time fire fighters this totaled about $ 30,000:00 . and now the permanent fire fighters are using it –

andy555 10:35 pm 17 Aug 10

bd84 said :

From what I hear there is a culture of harassment within the station where the permanent members treat part time members like a piece of crap for being part time members, despite the fact that the majority of the part timers all work full time elsewhere and give up their time to assist the full time members. The fight sounds like the result the accumulation of anger from the abuse being dealt out.

no – The issue isn’t that – its that the permanent crew should not even be at the station – the job of manning the fire station on a 24 hour 7 day a week basis should have been offered to the fire fighters that are already employed . they do the same job and carry the same responsibility’s and take the same risks . what a crazy system . no wonder the nsw fb has this issue it caused it , sad :

andy555 10:23 pm 17 Aug 10

the town of Queanbeyan once had a great fire brigade that it could be proud of with the best group of well trained fire fighters that knew there area well and were proud of the community they served . they looked after the town of queanbeyan well and had a great working relationship with other agencies in the area – the fire fighters always acted with the community in mind in a smart and professional manor – sadly it has now lost them – yes they might have been known as volunteer fire fighters how ever they looked after the city on a 24 hour basis 7 days a week and never embarrassed the city of Queanbeyan . the town of queanbeyan now relies on the permanent replacement crews that were sent from Sydney with the purpose of having fire fighters manning the fire station all the time . a big mistake they should have used the fire fighters they already had and built on that . The best thing for the town of Queanbeyan would be for all the permanent fire fighters to pack up and return to Sydney end of story . the over all people to blame for this are the nsw fb who took the jobs of the fire fighters it already had and replaced them with a permanent crew that are no better trained and don’t even know the area they work in .

bd84 1:56 pm 16 Aug 10

From what I hear there is a culture of harassment within the station where the permanent members treat part time members like a piece of crap for being part time members, despite the fact that the majority of the part timers all work full time elsewhere and give up their time to assist the full time members. The fight sounds like the result the accumulation of anger from the abuse being dealt out.

georgesgenitals 12:45 pm 16 Aug 10

Time to clean house by the sound of it. Firies play an important role in the community, and are looked up to by many. This kind of behaviour is completely unacceptable – the troublemakers need to go.

Crikey 12:26 pm 16 Aug 10

There has been a lot of talk around town that a hand full of bully boys are running the Queanbeyan Station like a ‘club-med’, running personal errands in the fire trucks, long coffee breaks and lunches while on duty and bastardisation of the volunteer fire fighters.

This all pretty embarrassing for local Member Steve Whan as it’s all happening under his watch and he’s their Minister too. Apparently, he is frightened to act as it will upset the Union movement.

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