Bring on the point to point speed cameras

screaming banshee 25 February 2009 60

Yet again we have another contributor moaning about receiving a speeding fine for, well….speeding.  With the usual back and forth about who was right and who was wrong. 

I’ve only moved to Canberra 3 months ago and from day one it was clear to me that some of you lot are the worst drivers in Australia, never have I seen so many people speeding.  Ironic considering we have some of the best road networks and traffic conditions of all the major cities.  And dont bitch to me about how bad the traffic is either because some of you really have no idea.  Yes, at times roads may get congested but there are always several ways to get to your destination and if you do have to wait or cue its really not that long.  Try waiting through 12 changes of lights just to get through an intersection every other day, not because of an accident, just heavy traffic.

Every day I’ve got some clown sitting right up my arse waiting for the first opportunity to speed past me so they can be three seconds in front, or speed up to 80 or 90 in a 60 zone just so they can make it past me before the ‘form one lane’.   I regularly travel on Baldwin drive past kaleen and its seems most people dont know or dont care that its a 60 zone, merrily chugging away at 80 past the high school.  Then theres the roadworks zones, drivers dangerously going the regular road speed or faster when other users have legally slowed down to the roadworks speed only to have cars come screaming up behind them then swerve into another lane to go around them.

So bring on the speed cameras I say, one every 10 metres should do it and if you dont want to hand over your hard-earned then dont speed or carry on like a dickhead on our roads.

To those of you that drive safely, within the speed limits, and slow down for roadworks I thank you.

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cleverclogs cleverclogs 9:57 am 26 Feb 09

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

increased from 3.4 deaths, to 4.1 deaths per 100,000 population, or 20%.

You fail Stats 101.

I used to get riled up about speed camera threads. Then I realised that I don’t need to. The world is already how I like it – lots of camera, plenty of dumb-arsed rev heads with tiny dicks or ugly ranga chicks getting caught and fattening the public purse. It’s only going to get better with more and better cameras and harsher speeding laws.

So, screaming banshee, do as I do – relax, enjoy, and know that technology will make it right in the end.

Yes… that’s what they thought when they created Skynet in the Terminator movies… and no, before anyone jumps up and begins hollering, I’m not suggesting that movies = real life. But I personally don’t wish to have technology in charge of the decisions because as any IT expert knows, it isn’t a failsafe solution. I’m a Canberra driver, I have sped and been caught in the past and I drive for work, so I am doing my utmost to drive like a sensible person. And while I agree with the whole ‘if you don’t speed you won’t get caught’ line, I also find that very occasionally if I’m jammed in the outside lane by some tweaker sitting next to me and another up my tailpipe, I’m going to speed up to get back into the left lane so I can continue on my way without grief. And point to point cameras aren’t going to see that are they? Screw that for an idea. I’ll take fixed cameras and deal with them, but I’m not giving any more money to the copper kitty.

harvyk1 harvyk1 9:56 am 26 Feb 09

Wow, loads of replies in a very short space of time.

As others have said, speed doesn’t kill, it is however very easy to detect and enforce, thus the reason we have speed camera’s and it’s the focus of so much gov’t policy (and advertising).

The real problems such as quick lane changing, failing to give way, inattention etc are much more difficult to detect, so rather than trying the law makers simply sweep the real problems under the rug.

P2P speed camera’s whilst may seem like a good idea you now have the problem that a large part of your focus is taken away from the road, and onto your speedo, in case you go over. To be honest I’d rather be in a car with a driver doing 20km/h over, but not have their eye’s leave the road, than in a car with a driver doing 20km/h under, but not have their eye’s leave the speedo. I know which car I’m more likely to survive in if something goes wrong.

Tha comment was brought up about NT’s new speed limits, and yes it actually raised the road toll considerably, and there is a very good reason why. With exception to the few drivers who know they are as good as Lowndes most of us when given free range on the speed, will usually drive at a safe speed in accordance to the conditions. Tell us we must drive at 100km/h we will drive at 100km/h even when the conditions dictate that 80km/h is too fast. Furthermore in our quest to not get pinged, we will concentrate on the speedo rather than the road.

LaLa LaLa 10:06 pm 25 Feb 09

That was meant to read “We have great roads here, believe me, I regularly drove all over Sydney most days for work and what we have here shits on all of that.” If that even makes sense…

LaLa LaLa 10:04 pm 25 Feb 09

Almost too many comments to read, but I wanted to put in my 2 cents worth of course.

I have to agree with Banshee to some degree, I moved to Canberra in October and was a bit taken aback by the driving and bitching about roads in the ACT.

We have great roads here, believe me, I regularly drove all over Sydney most days for work and what we have here shits all of that.

A lot of Canberra drivers seem to sit in the right hand lane and every day someone seems to sit right on my arse until they can overtake me. I am still on my P’s so am fairly careful about doing the speedlimit so I find it quite frustrating and sometimes intimidating to have that happen.

Fisho Fisho 8:12 pm 25 Feb 09

You can always spot a native Canberran as they whine and carry on about the traffic. Even in peak it’s sod all compared to everywhere else. Try 4hours to exit a city during a long weekend or a 90 minute commute being classed as ‘a good run’.

It’s a truly cultural thing for canberrans to refuse to travel from northside to southside or vice versa as its is deemed ‘too far’.

The dickhead strain certainly breeds true in our locale, not a week goes by where someone tries to jump ahead at a merge and squeeze their car into a space where a 1/4 of a car might fit, resulting in the ever present ‘brake light opera’.

Of special cultural significance is the ‘Canberra Pass’ where you are cruising merrily in the left lane at the speed limit, some idiot rips past, pulls in front and then slows to 10-20km/h below the speed limit. They get mightily offended if you dare overtake them. The look on their faces, similar in many respects to a bulldog licking piss off a thistle is always priceless.

I would mentioning cornering without slowing to 6.3km/week but being allowed to drive around corners in a safe and steady manner is prohibited by law and severely frowned upon. Much like cyclists using roads/footpaths/cycle paths/oxygen.

This being Canberra, I would like to know what the OP would like to have banned.
Cheers,
Fisho

GB GB 7:29 pm 25 Feb 09

Reprobate said :

..dumb one-size-fits-all message that you’re safe as long as you don’t exceed the speed limit.

Haven’t actually heard that message.

I keep hearing the one that if you stay below the speed limit, it will be safer than going over it. This seems to be almost always true.

And I have often received the message that if you go over the speed limit, you may well get fined. This seems to be true less often, and less consistently.

The research that has been done shows pretty consistently that as a group, people who think they are better drivers, and so should be exempt from speed restrictions, in fact have a higher average accident rate. There are exceptions, but there’s no point trying to design road safety laws around exceptions – we need straightforward, understandable rules. Which speed limits are.

I’m with banshee. Driving within the speed limit, rather than having a tanty when when someone else is or when you get caught, is a simple thing everyone can do that will reduce deaths on the road. It is not the answer to all deaths, but it is doable. I’ll try to do it better.

Clown Killer Clown Killer 6:58 pm 25 Feb 09

130km/h seems almost excessive given the condition of some of those NT highways, let alone no limit.

Having done a bit of driving in the NT I would suggest that the reality is that the trinity of distance, speed and fuel consumption combine to limit truly excessive speeding. Sure, you were able to drive at 160km/h but at that speed over any significant distance you’d be unlikely to make the next town before you ran out of fuel.

Add to that the lottery of anything from kangaroos, cattle, water buffalo and camels wandering out onto the road and many drivers didn’t really push it much past 130km/h anyway.

Ryan Ryan 6:48 pm 25 Feb 09

deye said :

Case in point, north end of the Monaro highway between Fyshwick and Morshead Drive (before roadworks started at the end of it) is a 4 lane divided highway, wide bends, good visibility yet it is only 80. Anywhere else in Australia that would be 100 or 110.

Exactly right. The Monaro should be 100km/h minimum, from Morshead to bloody Johnson! And don’t get me started on 80k’s through Glenloch, 80k’s on Gungahlin and 60 around Atlhlon behind the Hyperdome.

Sgt.Bungers said :

The major change in road policy since then… “Speed Kills”. Speed limits have been introduced on country highways where previously there were no restrictions. Speed cameras have also been introduced.

I was in Darwin on holidays after the 130km/h limit had been introduced on the highways, and it was an election period. The opposition were airing ads promising to reverse the decision because “it wouldnt save lives”, and instead wanted to focus on seatbelts or something. 130km/h seems almost excessive given the condition of some of those NT highways, let alone no limit.

monomania monomania 6:27 pm 25 Feb 09

Criticism of our driving is just another form of Canberra bashing. Some offering criticism will be people with no real stake in our community. Others impatient and aggressive and not willing to be tolerant of others. Its not good enough that we have the lowest road deaths per 100000 drivers and per 100 million kilometres driven, both by a decent margin. These people then have to think up other reasons why this is so to justify their prejudices. If interstate drivers are so good at home why are they so appalling here.

p1 p1 5:25 pm 25 Feb 09

Oh yeah, I have driven in many other places in the country and world, and while Canberra drivers $hit me to tears for several reasons (merging…) I find it hard to think that they are the worst out there. Perhaps the traffic can be frustrating for a city this size, but only for about 15min each day.

p1 p1 5:23 pm 25 Feb 09

screaming banshee, are you driving a car or riding a push bike ?

Probably a recumbent.

From another thread “and a couple of stupid laws (You are required to fire a warning shot when approaching an intersection but it is illegal to discharge a firearm in public, work that out).”

old canberran old canberran 5:07 pm 25 Feb 09

Anyone who reckons Canberra drivers are bad has never driven in Melbourne and don’t forget that a goodly proportion of Canberra drivers came from Melbourne (and other places) in the first place. Canberra hasn’t produced 350,000 people on its own.
It’s interesting that someone who has only been in Canberra for 3 months can label its drivers as the worst in Australia. That’s a pretty generalised statement SB.

Tempestas Tempestas 5:06 pm 25 Feb 09

RatsNest said :

farq said :

– Fine the people that start slowing down 500 meters from the lights just because they went orange (who cares about the effect on the traffic behind me)

you prefer the people who continue to accelerate until 10m from lights then brake heavily?

(that said, 500m is a bit excessive)

500m is probably a bit excessive, but if the traffic all slowed and was then able to travel through the set of lights after they changed back, overall traffic speed would increase. Accelerating into a stop is not only stupid its inefficient. Same with merging if everyone let go of their ego and left a gap for the merging lane to merge into, perhaps the overall traffic would only slow to to 50Km/h instead of 15Km/h and then everyone would get where they are going.

There are far too many precious poppets who believe that the road should empty before them.

farq farq 4:59 pm 25 Feb 09

Jim Jones said :

I must be missing something… Is your argument that speeding is dangerous, but the enforcement method is no good, or something else?

Something else Jim, something else.

deezagood deezagood 4:57 pm 25 Feb 09

Blamemonkey said :

@Furry Jesus
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His, Hers, ITs didn’t know so I decided to use THEIR

correct me if I am wrong…

You’re wrong. It would have been correct to say Furry Jesus and his/her use of italics.

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 4:54 pm 25 Feb 09

increased from 3.4 deaths, to 4.1 deaths per 100,000 population, or 20%.

You fail Stats 101.

I used to get riled up about speed camera threads. Then I realised that I don’t need to. The world is already how I like it – lots of camera, plenty of dumb-arsed rev heads with tiny dicks or ugly ranga chicks getting caught and fattening the public purse. It’s only going to get better with more and better cameras and harsher speeding laws.

So, screaming banshee, do as I do – relax, enjoy, and know that technology will make it right in the end.

Furry Jesus Furry Jesus 4:49 pm 25 Feb 09

farq said :

Jim Jones said :

Farq – do you seriously think that speed isn’t an issue in car crashes?

Oh come on Jim, you know I don’t. It’s impossible to have smash if the car is doing 0kph.

You are either being silly, or trolling (I like trolls, so I hope it’s that).

Kind of like me saying “Do you seriously think that speed is the ONLY issue in car crashes?” Of course you don’t.

I thought trolling referred to being on the lookout for someone to have sex with (trolls being people who are on the lookout…). This doesn’t seem to be the way it’s being used here, although if it is, I’m with farq. I like trolls, particulrly if they happen to find me.

poptop poptop 4:45 pm 25 Feb 09

Speed limits are set to protect the lowest common denominator, on a dark and stormy night.

cranky cranky 4:43 pm 25 Feb 09

I too have dificulty understanding the various speed limits applied to ACT roads. Examples are everywhere, and the majority are limited to less than would appear reasonable.

Does some all knowing engineering bureaucrat sit at his desk and, having consulted the tea leaves, decide the limit to be applied. Consistency in the decision making process is sadly lacking. Compare 80Ks on the dual lane Monaro Highway (favourite speed trap) with the kangaroo riddled single carriageway (80Ks) Mugga Lane that joins it.

Is there some bible that the engineers refer to to set these limits? One could also cynically regard the limits as a gift to their gov employer of speed fine related revenue.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 4:40 pm 25 Feb 09

No, I’m not trolling. Sorry.

And of course speeding isn’t the ONLY factor in crashes – I don’t think anyone here has said (or even implied) this at all.

So, why did you write this: “Also each fatal wreck from a speeding driver is more ‘proof’ to them that the message is spot on (ignoring all times people speed and don’t crash).”

I must be missing something. Is your argument that speeding is dangerous, but the enforcement method is no good, or something else?

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