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Busted blasting clay pigeons in Tidbinbilla

By johnboy - 4 June 2012 56

ACT Policing apprehended a 27-year-old Casey man after he illegally used a firearm in Tidbinbilla Nature Reserve yesterday morning (Sunday, June 3).

About 11am Sunday morning police attended the reserve after receiving a report from ACT Rangers that gun shots were heard in the area.

Upon arrival police heard gun shots in close proximity and shortly after three men emerged from the bush land and were apprehended.

The men were in possession of a 12 gauge shotgun which was registered to one of the men and approximately 100 shotgun shells.

The men had set up a clay target launching device in the reserve. One of the men held an ACT firearms license which police seized along with the registered firearm.

South District Superintendent Paul Shakeshaft said the actions of these men showed a serious disregard for the safety of Canberrans who use the park.

“The actions of these men were extremely dangerous and could have resulted in the serious injury of other people using the area. It is an offence for members of the public to use firearms in the nature reserve,” Superintendent Shakeshaft said. “If anyone witnesses this kind of behaviour I urge them to contact police immediately.”

The man will be summonsed to the ACT Magistrates Court at a later date.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]

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HenryBG 11:19 pm 10 Jun 12

Rebos said :

LSWCHP said :

PBO said :

Rebos said :

This brings back memories of the incident a few years back (late 80’s??) where a man with his family at the Cotter reserve playground was shot in the neck and killed by a .22 bullet discharged half a kilometre away from up on the hill adjacent to the road to Uriarra. The offender was shooting a target on a tree, missed, and the bullet arced downwards to the reserve hitting the poor man.

Given the distance and type of rifle you have stated i would have to say BS. It would have to be a larger calibre to achieve what you have said.

It happened.I remember it occurring when I was a kid. In fact, I was upgrading my firearms licence at the firearms registry a couple of months ago and I discussed this very incident with the registry staff as we were going through the paperwork. The shooter was firing from the top of a hill overlooking the Cotter reserve, and the projectile travelled over the crest of the hill and down into the reserve, striking this poor man and killing him.

A .22 Long Rifle can be dangerous up to several kilometers. The packets generally contain warnings to this effect.

Birdshot from a 12 gauge won’t travel too far and that’s probably what these damned arsehats were using. But double-ought buckshot is .32 calibre in diameter (ie 8mm), and can travel a helluva long way.

I’m filled with anger and frustration every time I hear of firearms being used stupidly and illegally. Particularly so in the case of a registered owner doing somethign profoundly stupid like this. It can only give the good guys a bad name.

Thanks LSWCHP. I have spent hours on the WWW trying to find documentary evidence to back my post up but to no avail. One place I didn’t try was the AFP Gun Licencing dept. That tragic incident rang alarm bells for me at the time as me and my friends toted 22’s for bunny busting and this incident proved what my old man was saying that don’t underestimate a 22. Lucky for us he had Army training and passed on his gun safety knowledge that kept us in good stead. Copped many a thick ear when I failed to have the piece pointed at the ground as well bolt not open. How times have changed. I bought the piece at Big W Woden. I was 16 years old and had to just go to the Woden Police Station with the serial number, they gave me a licence, I returned to Big W and purchased with a variety of ammunition – solids, hollow points, rat shot etc, etc.

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So it’s just another urban myth.

We remember the double-“suicide” involving a car and rope.
We remember the Russian family dying on the gum tree in Barton.
We remember the Streets of Deakin being closed off one night after the AC of the AFP was shot by Calabrian Mafia.
We remember the Spiderman escaping from the courthouse lockup because a copper forgot to lock the loading dock doors and then while on the run getting fatally shot in Melbourne for being “armed” with an umbrella.

But nobody seems altogether clear on this “killed by a .22 from 500m away” story which was supposedly from the same era.

Rebos 7:09 pm 10 Jun 12

LSWCHP said :

PBO said :

Rebos said :

This brings back memories of the incident a few years back (late 80’s??) where a man with his family at the Cotter reserve playground was shot in the neck and killed by a .22 bullet discharged half a kilometre away from up on the hill adjacent to the road to Uriarra. The offender was shooting a target on a tree, missed, and the bullet arced downwards to the reserve hitting the poor man.

Given the distance and type of rifle you have stated i would have to say BS. It would have to be a larger calibre to achieve what you have said.

It happened.I remember it occurring when I was a kid. In fact, I was upgrading my firearms licence at the firearms registry a couple of months ago and I discussed this very incident with the registry staff as we were going through the paperwork. The shooter was firing from the top of a hill overlooking the Cotter reserve, and the projectile travelled over the crest of the hill and down into the reserve, striking this poor man and killing him.

A .22 Long Rifle can be dangerous up to several kilometers. The packets generally contain warnings to this effect.

Birdshot from a 12 gauge won’t travel too far and that’s probably what these damned arsehats were using. But double-ought buckshot is .32 calibre in diameter (ie 8mm), and can travel a helluva long way.

I’m filled with anger and frustration every time I hear of firearms being used stupidly and illegally. Particularly so in the case of a registered owner doing somethign profoundly stupid like this. It can only give the good guys a bad name.

Thanks LSWCHP. I have spent hours on the WWW trying to find documentary evidence to back my post up but to no avail. One place I didn’t try was the AFP Gun Licencing dept. That tragic incident rang alarm bells for me at the time as me and my friends toted 22’s for bunny busting and this incident proved what my old man was saying that don’t underestimate a 22. Lucky for us he had Army training and passed on his gun safety knowledge that kept us in good stead. Copped many a thick ear when I failed to have the piece pointed at the ground as well bolt not open. How times have changed. I bought the piece at Big W Woden. I was 16 years old and had to just go to the Woden Police Station with the serial number, they gave me a licence, I returned to Big W and purchased with a variety of ammunition – solids, hollow points, rat shot etc, etc.

I digress here but recently I undertook some local history research. I interviewed a farmer who operated the former property Illoura where Curtin is and North Weston is under construction. He informed me that up until 1950 he hadn’t seen an Eastern Grey kangaroo on his property. Deep conrast to now when we drive along Cotter Road near Weston and can see numerous mobs.

PBO 9:44 am 08 Jun 12

troutfisher said :

PBO said

“Not that it would be any hinderance, look at Hans Fleer or Graham Bremmer, They were in Vietnam during the American War and were still kicking around in 2000 making younger folk feel bad about not going hard enough”

Hans FLEER was in charge of my selection in 1999, he scared me then and I bet if he was still around he could instill the same fear in the next generation going through. I have been fortunate if not honoured enough to talk with men who served with him in war, they describe him as being fearless

Probably the only other person in the world with the nickname “The Iceman” who didnt give it to himself. The man is so hard they actually just gave him his sandy beret without him having to do selection. He actually gave RSM’s the chills and fear was his bitch.

99 eh? Singo?

troutfisher 7:34 am 08 Jun 12

PBO said

“Not that it would be any hinderance, look at Hans Fleer or Graham Bremmer, They were in Vietnam during the American War and were still kicking around in 2000 making younger folk feel bad about not going hard enough”

Hans FLEER was in charge of my selection in 1999, he scared me then and I bet if he was still around he could instill the same fear in the next generation going through. I have been fortunate if not honoured enough to talk with men who served with him in war, they describe him as being fearless

bigfeet 6:52 am 08 Jun 12

MissChief said :

Disinformation said :

MissChief said :

Wow…. and to think I’d only recently been sent there to see the kangaroos because our local mobs have been decimated (see decapitated joey story). !

Decimated? They killed one in ten of the local kangaroos?

MissChief said :

Which poses an interesting question: where will the shooters go when they’ve finished killing the kangaroos that live in our city? Seems like they already have some idea, and how clever of them to set up a decoy excuse… because in all reality, no one could be that stupid!

I believe that you’ve supplied evidence to the contrary.

Did I say decimated all the kangaroos or did I say mobs? One in 10 of the total kangaroos from a few mobs does not equate to 1 in 10 in a mob!

Either way, it still does not fit within the term “decimate” that you throw around.

MissChief 9:09 pm 07 Jun 12

Disinformation said :

MissChief said :

Wow…. and to think I’d only recently been sent there to see the kangaroos because our local mobs have been decimated (see decapitated joey story). !

Decimated? They killed one in ten of the local kangaroos?

MissChief said :

Which poses an interesting question: where will the shooters go when they’ve finished killing the kangaroos that live in our city? Seems like they already have some idea, and how clever of them to set up a decoy excuse… because in all reality, no one could be that stupid!

I believe that you’ve supplied evidence to the contrary.

Did I say decimated all the kangaroos or did I say mobs? One in 10 of the total kangaroos from a few mobs does not equate to 1 in 10 in a mob!

MissChief 8:39 pm 07 Jun 12

KB1971 said :

My thought exactly, especially when she accuse wildturkeycanoe for shooting at her in the joey thread ………. you cant let a good story get in the way of the truth. I am sure if there was a threat to life they would have been locked up & needed bail.

Go back and read what was written. I asked a tongue in cheek question, YOU are the one making the accusation! You are clearly an idiot!

PBO 6:44 pm 07 Jun 12

Disinformation said :

LSWCHP said :

A .22 will kill you stone dead if it hits you in the right place, regardless of the range.

Mossad agents and Israeli sky marshals used to use .Beretta model.22 calibre handguns (perhaps they still do) to kill terrorists and hijackers, and I assume they knew what they were doing at the time.

I’m not sure about how the Israeli’s do things now, but it appears that they use Forged Australian passports to kill terrorists as well these days.

Current American technology for Sky Marshals is extremely high velocity aluminium (or probably “aluminum” ) rounds which have rapid energy bleed off compared to lead based projectiles. Awesome for poking holes in perps at 20 feet, but eminently friendlier for the passengers right behind them. I think we need friendlier bullets for bystanders.

Sorry, but this really bothers me. Without going into the SOP’s, fat-inducing tabulated data or……”ahem”….facts, I really do believe that you must mean “Low-velocity” rounds.

Low-velocity rounds are preferred simply because there are other people around and windows are not bulletproof and things like a relatively thin shell around the air frame. What you have said would turn whatever was fired at into Swiss cheese. Rapidly depressurizing the cabin causing suffocation and a bit of a chill.

Not what you want. Not what anyone wants.

So this is why they use low velocity rounds……..

PBO 3:06 pm 07 Jun 12

HenryBG said :

PBO said :

HenryBG said :

LSWCHP said :

A .22 will kill you stone dead if it hits you in the right place, regardless of the range.

Mossad agents and Israeli sky marshals used to use .Beretta model.22 calibre handguns (perhaps they still do) to kill terrorists and hijackers, and I assume they knew what they were doing at the time.

Remember the Aussie soldier in East Timor who was driving a truck which was ambushed by the Indonesian-sponsored militia, he was shot in the neck and then jumped out of his truck and returned fire?

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Australia/SASR/East_Timor.htm

Hogno from memory.

He’d be pushing 50 by now, wouldn’t he 🙂

Not that it would be any hinderance, look at Hans Fleer or Graham Bremmer, They were in Vietnam during the American War and were still kicking around in 2000 making younger folk feel bad about not going hard enough.

HenryBG 2:09 pm 07 Jun 12

PBO said :

HenryBG said :

LSWCHP said :

A .22 will kill you stone dead if it hits you in the right place, regardless of the range.

Mossad agents and Israeli sky marshals used to use .Beretta model.22 calibre handguns (perhaps they still do) to kill terrorists and hijackers, and I assume they knew what they were doing at the time.

Remember the Aussie soldier in East Timor who was driving a truck which was ambushed by the Indonesian-sponsored militia, he was shot in the neck and then jumped out of his truck and returned fire?

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Australia/SASR/East_Timor.htm

Hogno from memory.

He’d be pushing 50 by now, wouldn’t he 🙂

PBO 12:40 pm 07 Jun 12

HenryBG said :

LSWCHP said :

A .22 will kill you stone dead if it hits you in the right place, regardless of the range.

Mossad agents and Israeli sky marshals used to use .Beretta model.22 calibre handguns (perhaps they still do) to kill terrorists and hijackers, and I assume they knew what they were doing at the time.

Remember the Aussie soldier in East Timor who was driving a truck which was ambushed by the Indonesian-sponsored militia, he was shot in the neck and then jumped out of his truck and returned fire?

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Australia/SASR/East_Timor.htm

Hogno from memory.

p1 12:17 pm 07 Jun 12

Disinformation said :

Current American technology for Sky Marshals is extremely high velocity aluminium (or probably “aluminum” ) rounds which have rapid energy bleed off compared to lead based projectiles. Awesome for poking holes in perps at 20 feet, but eminently friendlier for the passengers right behind them. I think we need friendlier bullets for bystanders.

Frangible rounds, also go for blowing doors off their hinges without a lump of lead going through three houses.

Thumper 11:35 am 07 Jun 12

HenryBG said :

LSWCHP said :

A .22 will kill you stone dead if it hits you in the right place, regardless of the range.

Mossad agents and Israeli sky marshals used to use .Beretta model.22 calibre handguns (perhaps they still do) to kill terrorists and hijackers, and I assume they knew what they were doing at the time.

Remember the Aussie soldier in East Timor who was driving a truck which was ambushed by the Indonesian-sponsored militia, he was shot in the neck and then jumped out of his truck and returned fire?

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Australia/SASR/East_Timor.htm

Remember Monster Jones?

HenryBG 11:30 am 07 Jun 12

LSWCHP said :

A .22 will kill you stone dead if it hits you in the right place, regardless of the range.

Mossad agents and Israeli sky marshals used to use .Beretta model.22 calibre handguns (perhaps they still do) to kill terrorists and hijackers, and I assume they knew what they were doing at the time.

Remember the Aussie soldier in East Timor who was driving a truck which was ambushed by the Indonesian-sponsored militia, he was shot in the neck and then jumped out of his truck and returned fire?

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Australia/SASR/East_Timor.htm

Disinformation 9:57 am 07 Jun 12

LSWCHP said :

A .22 will kill you stone dead if it hits you in the right place, regardless of the range.

Mossad agents and Israeli sky marshals used to use .Beretta model.22 calibre handguns (perhaps they still do) to kill terrorists and hijackers, and I assume they knew what they were doing at the time.

I’m not sure about how the Israeli’s do things now, but it appears that they use Forged Australian passports to kill terrorists as well these days.

Current American technology for Sky Marshals is extremely high velocity aluminium (or probably “aluminum” ) rounds which have rapid energy bleed off compared to lead based projectiles. Awesome for poking holes in perps at 20 feet, but eminently friendlier for the passengers right behind them. I think we need friendlier bullets for bystanders.

LSWCHP 11:11 pm 05 Jun 12

HenryBG said :

PBO said :

Rebos said :

This brings back memories of the incident a few years back (late 80’s??) where a man with his family at the Cotter reserve playground was shot in the neck and killed by a .22 bullet discharged half a kilometre away from up on the hill adjacent to the road to Uriarra. The offender was shooting a target on a tree, missed, and the bullet arced downwards to the reserve hitting the poor man.

Given the distance and type of rifle you have stated i would have to say BS. It would have to be a larger calibre to achieve what you have said.

A .22 is very survivable at close range (why do you think the last six months of tit-for-tat drive-bys in Sydney have resulted in zero deaths?), the idea that a spent .22 shell is going to kill someone is quite surprising. Very unlucky, if true. Like the Canberra truck driver in Sydney last year.
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Casualties have been limited because the shooters are crap marksmen and don’t hit their targets, not because of the caliber of the weapons they use.

A .22 will kill you stone dead if it hits you in the right place, regardless of the range.

Mossad agents and Israeli sky marshals used to use .Beretta model.22 calibre handguns (perhaps they still do) to kill terrorists and hijackers, and I assume they knew what they were doing at the time.

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