Can a speeding fine be avoided?

Kan 10 December 2010 46

I would like to know what are my chances of avoiding a speeding fine? I haven’t been booked for 18 years, so I was surprised when the notice arrived in the mail this week.

A speed camera snapped a photo of my car allegedly travelling 70km in a 60km zone.

In NSW (where I used to live) if you write an apologetic letter explaining that you are normally a law abiding citizen and haven’t been booked for ages, the police are sympathetic enough to drop the fine.

A few friends have done this and their fines were cancelled.

Do ACT police also show this type of leniency or should I not bother and just pay the fine?


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bjnetzone bjnetzone 5:31 pm 17 Dec 10

Mr Gillespie said :

bjnetzone said :

Mr Gillespie said :

alloneword said :

Can a speeding fine be avoided?

Yes. Stay under the speed limit. Especially around speed cameras[1], but it doesn’t hurt not to speed at other times[2].

2 flaws in this argument.

1. Not practical when someone BEHIND YOU is trying to get past. It is rude and inconsiderate to hold people up this way — you are wasting other people’s time and causing unnecessary frustration on others this way. Not wise.
2. Why? What you are saying is stay under the speed limit when there are NO SPEED CAMERAS OR POLICE SPEED GUNS AROUND????

No flaws that I can see. Stay at (or under) the speed limit. If the people behind you get shirty, so the hell what? I’m not going to cop a fine just because the dropkick behind can’t hold his wad. Learn some patience, and get home in one piece, or pass me, and get home 5 seconds early, or, if you want to be a haemorrhoid, your brakes better be better than mine…

You ignorant fool…..

“SO THE HELL WHAT” NOTHING!!!!

It is rude and inconsiderate to hold other people up!!!

People like you dawdling at 65 in an 80 zone on a single lane road REALLY GIVE ME THE SHITS. They too should be fined!!! They are a MENACE!!!

No wonder there is so much road rage, with issues such as this being totally ignored!!

Who said I do 65 in an 80 zone? I drive “at” the speed limit (for people like you who have issues with reading, let alone driving). I’m not going to go faster than the speed limit for you, so get over your “shits” and learn some patience before you kill yourself, or worse yet, someone else.

Mothy Mothy 12:31 pm 13 Dec 10

Kan said :

apparently ACT cameras aren’t appropriately tested. Could mean some of these cameras are faulty? How about that!

Yes, so write your letter, hold on to it and any response as evidence, and hope for your ship to come in one day like what happened with the Vic Govt example you gave.

But in the meantime, pay the fine.

Kan said :

In reference to the other comments about speeding, I believe it’s a myriad of factors that cause accidents…. I don’t know what the answer is on how to stop dangerous driving but I know that just targeting speeding isn’t going to solve the accident tally on our roads.

A myriad of factors, of which speeding is one, and a target able and enforceable one as you point out – so it follows that you do what you can.

Mr Gillespie said :

It is rude and inconsiderate to hold other people up!!!

People like you dawdling at 65 in an 80 zone on a single lane road REALLY GIVE ME THE SHITS. They too should be fined!!! They are a MENACE!!!

No wonder there is so much road rage, with issues such as this being totally ignored!!

The faster car can wait for a second lane to open up, and go around. People who are not comfortable doing the speed of the car behind them should not speed just so as to not hold anyone up.

Remember, its called a speed LIMIT.

Davo111 Davo111 7:26 pm 12 Dec 10

best of luck. because you’re not a P plater, male(?), or under 25, i’d say your chances are pretty good.

Kan Kan 2:38 pm 12 Dec 10

Hey JC it seems you need a few lessons in understanding plain English. Go back and read my comment again about admitting my guilt. Then you’ll realise I was referring to my speeding offence 18 years ago, not the recent fine. BTW you should read PantsMan’s comment – apparently ACT cameras aren’t appropriately tested. Could mean some of these cameras are faulty? How about that!

There’s also been a huge debate about drivers (especially me) going too slow. Normally I drive on the speed limit and I only drop 10km/h under the limit when I’m approaching a speed camera because I don’t trust the technology. If only I’d remember to do that a few weeks ago!

In reference to the other comments about speeding, I believe it’s a myriad of factors that cause accidents. While speed is an easy thing to target and monitor, it’s the other offenses that are being ignored – tailgating, not stopping at stop signs, not using indicators, chatting on the mobile etc. These offenses have nearly killed loved friends and family. Just recently, I visited a mate in Sydney who is recovering from a serious accident – she was driving 50km through an intersection when another car (the driver was talking on the mobile) turned right in front of her. Apparently the driver just didn’t see my friend! The driver has been charged with numerous offenses and now my friend has to endure a painful recovery because some idiot didn’t look where she was going.

I don’t know what the answer is on how to stop dangerous driving but I know that just targeting speeding isn’t going to solve the accident tally on our roads.

Jethro Jethro 10:38 pm 11 Dec 10

‘contend’

Jethro Jethro 10:37 pm 11 Dec 10

Mr Gillespie said :

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You ignorant fool…..

“SO THE HELL WHAT” NOTHING!!!!

It is rude and inconsiderate to hold other people up!!!

People like you dawdling at 65 in an 80 zone on a single lane road REALLY GIVE ME THE SHITS. They too should be fined!!! They are a MENACE!!!

No wonder there is so much road rage, with issues such as this being totally ignored!!

You are correct to an extent. People going 15 or 20 below the limit can cause just as much danger on the road as someone speeding. However, I would content that many, if not all, serial tailgaters will tailgate someone doing 80 in an 80 zone, because their definition of 80 is closer to 88 or 90.

PantsMan PantsMan 9:57 pm 11 Dec 10

Someone at my work was charged with a high range speeding offense she was certain she did not do.

She got legal counsel, FOIed all the maintenance contracts testing logs of the cameras, and hey – guess what – the ACT Government and its contractors never actually tested or inspected the cameras according to the schedule. (I know it sounds crazy that the ACT Government f&^ked something up.)

Also, the AFP could not work out what provision of the act the camera was authorized under. That is, it was not an authorized testing device.

She got the DPP to drop the charges AND PAY SEVERAL THOUSANDS IN COSTS.

Mr Gillespie Mr Gillespie 6:50 pm 11 Dec 10

bjnetzone said :

Mr Gillespie said :

alloneword said :

Can a speeding fine be avoided?

Yes. Stay under the speed limit. Especially around speed cameras[1], but it doesn’t hurt not to speed at other times[2].

2 flaws in this argument.

1. Not practical when someone BEHIND YOU is trying to get past. It is rude and inconsiderate to hold people up this way — you are wasting other people’s time and causing unnecessary frustration on others this way. Not wise.
2. Why? What you are saying is stay under the speed limit when there are NO SPEED CAMERAS OR POLICE SPEED GUNS AROUND????

No flaws that I can see. Stay at (or under) the speed limit. If the people behind you get shirty, so the hell what? I’m not going to cop a fine just because the dropkick behind can’t hold his wad. Learn some patience, and get home in one piece, or pass me, and get home 5 seconds early, or, if you want to be a haemorrhoid, your brakes better be better than mine…

You ignorant fool…..

“SO THE HELL WHAT” NOTHING!!!!

It is rude and inconsiderate to hold other people up!!!

People like you dawdling at 65 in an 80 zone on a single lane road REALLY GIVE ME THE SHITS. They too should be fined!!! They are a MENACE!!!

No wonder there is so much road rage, with issues such as this being totally ignored!!

Jethro Jethro 5:34 pm 11 Dec 10

ricci said :

As usual, the “holier than thou” mob are out in force once again. They really are a pathetic bunch and a complete waste of space.

How is it pathetic to demand that people drive responsibly on our roads. About 1500 people die every year on Australian roads and another 32 000 are hospitalised. Most accidents could have been avoided if people actually treated driving like a serious thing by paying attention to their surroundings and following the rules.

Why do road crash statistics always point to the same causes of death and injury? Stop excusing your dangerous behaviour, start driving responsibly and stop having a go at those around you who are sick and tired of their lives being put at risk a***holes on the road

troll-sniffer troll-sniffer 3:51 pm 11 Dec 10

ricci said :

As usual, the “holier than thou” mob are out in force once again. They really are a pathetic bunch and a complete waste of space.

+1

I’m consistently telling myself I’m perfect, but even though I know I am as perfect as any human being can possibly get, I’m not as perfect as some of the RA contributors, who have probably already received their gold passes to get into heaven (at exactly the speed limit of course.)

ricci ricci 12:44 pm 11 Dec 10

As usual, the “holier than thou” mob are out in force once again. They really are a pathetic bunch and a complete waste of space.

Tooks Tooks 9:46 am 11 Dec 10

If you have a clean driving record, you have a good chance of having a speeding TIN withdrawn (unless you’re a long way over the limit).

arescarti42 arescarti42 1:33 am 11 Dec 10

It’s definitely worth writing them a letter.

I got picked up by a fixed speed camera doing I think 92km/h in an 80km/h zone on the Barton highway one night. I wrote them an apologetic letter explaining the circumstances, they asked to see my Driving record (NSW provisional licence with no previous offences), and subsequently dropped the fine.

cleo cleo 12:54 am 11 Dec 10

Yes write a letter, no hide, no Christmas box!

JC JC 12:21 am 11 Dec 10

Your last para says it all, you have done something wrong, by your own admission, so cop it sweet. As for camera’s telling lies, yes there have been some cases where it has been well and truly proved, but that’s not the case in the ACT.

Kan Kan 9:47 pm 10 Dec 10

According to JC, cameras don’t lie. That’s not always the case – a few years ago the Victorian Government was forced to pay back tens of millions in fines because the cameras were faulty. Technology is not foolproof and it’s dangerous to think that it can solve all our problems.

BTW I am the first to admit when I’ve done something wrong. I did, decades ago, when I first got caught speeding but that was when real human beings (the police) booked drivers on the spot. I knew I was speeding, I lost points and paid the fine. I just accepted it. With this current situation, I am annoyed because I do the right thing and have done so for a long time. I reckon we should have the Swedish program that rewards good drivers. Check out this link….

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/904004–speed-camera-lottery-pays-drivers-for-slowing-down

WalkTheTalk WalkTheTalk 8:06 pm 10 Dec 10

Well Kan, there’s nothing to be lost by writing to them. If you do get leniency, I’m sure you’ll take it as a reminder to drive more carefully in the future.

No doubt there are genuine cases of momentary lapsed attention in unfamiliar areas that lead to fines which in the right circumstances should be subject to a favourable appeal.

Successful appeals should be recorded though, so if a pattern of behaviour emerges, appeals should have a “no dice” reply.

I wonder how many “I’ve never had a fine in over 20 years” have had numerous cautions in the past? First time for everything!

JC JC 7:45 pm 10 Dec 10

Kan said :

Thanks for the advice – I’ll be writing that letter today.

In response to comments about me not obeying the road rules. I used the word – allegedly – because I don’t believe I was speeding. When I am approaching a speed camera – I normally go 5-10km/h under the limit. That’s probably why I haven’t been booked for so long. On the day of my alleged offence, I was travelling the speed limit because I forgot there was a speed camera on that stretch of road – my mistake! I believe the camera in question is possibly faulty but I don’t have the resources to fight this issue in court. BTW my speedo has been checked – when it says 60km/h, it’s actually 54-55km.

So when you see a camera you drop 5-10km below? May I ask why? If your doing the speed limit then why drop even futher, especially as you already know your speed is 5km or so slower than your speedo.

Also what speed do you drive at when you DON’T see a camera? By the looks of it your speedo must have indicated about 75-80 to be done going 70km/h. I would suggest if you cannot prove the camera is wrong, just accept that you either a). cocked up (like we all do from time to time) or b). got caught out, either way “you did the crime” so pay the fine, the camera’s don’t lie.

Jethro Jethro 6:29 pm 10 Dec 10

Don’t know if I’m reposting here or what… last post has come up as ‘moderated’?

Anyway…

It isn’t that hard to not get a ticket. I have never received a speeding fine in my 15+ years of driving. I have driven around Australia, I drive between Brisbane and Canberra a number of times a year and between Canberra and Sydney at least once every couple of months.

I don’t drive below the limit. I drive on the limit. It isn’t a difficult skill and I have no time for people who claim otherwise.

And yes, doing 67 or 68 in a 60 zone is dangerous and should be punished accordingly. The speed exists so that you have time to react when something unexpected happens… a car pulls out when it shouldn’t, a kid runs out onto the road, etc.

In my lifetime I have witnessed children being hit by cars on 3 occasions. On every occassion the driver was probably sitting about 10 k’s over the limit and just didn’t have the time to react.

But we will continue to have people being apologists for ‘not really speeding’.

bjnetzone bjnetzone 5:33 pm 10 Dec 10

Mr Gillespie said :

alloneword said :

Can a speeding fine be avoided?

Yes. Stay under the speed limit. Especially around speed cameras[1], but it doesn’t hurt not to speed at other times[2].

2 flaws in this argument.

1. Not practical when someone BEHIND YOU is trying to get past. It is rude and inconsiderate to hold people up this way — you are wasting other people’s time and causing unnecessary frustration on others this way. Not wise.
2. Why? What you are saying is stay under the speed limit when there are NO SPEED CAMERAS OR POLICE SPEED GUNS AROUND????

No flaws that I can see. Stay at (or under) the speed limit. If the people behind you get shirty, so the hell what? I’m not going to cop a fine just because the dropkick behind can’t hold his wad. Learn some patience, and get home in one piece, or pass me, and get home 5 seconds early, or, if you want to be a haemorrhoid, your brakes better be better than mine…

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