Canberra Air Disaster

madalynmitchell 9 April 2012 59

On the 8th of April 2012, myself along with a small group of friends headed up to the Canberra Air Disaster Memorial we wanted to see if we saw any paranormal activity. We arrived at roughly 9pm at night, there were two other NSW P plater cars at the gate, discussing whether we would go through the gate or go home.

One person from the NSW cars recognised me from school and told us that it would be a 90 minute walk to the site. They left shortly after.

Two of our party stayed back at our cars because they were superstitious, we arrived at the memorial site after walking for 25-30 minutes and taking a wrong turn at the fork in the road, heading into the bush (we quickly realised that it was not right and retracted our steps) arriving at the memorial site we looked around and headed back unsatisfied, the two girls rang us on a mobile phone to tell us that a security guard had arrived and wanted to speak to us. Walking along the road next to the paintball center, looking at the meche fence, there were lots of cuts in it as if people were trying to cut through it, and at the beginning of the road, 50m from the main gate, there was a hole cut through the fence. None of these were from us.

We walked back to the cars and were told to stand against one car by a security guard with a German Shepard, he then asked us if we knew that we were trespassing on Government land, this was the first any of us had heard about it belonging to anyone. He threatened to call the police to charge us with trespassing.

Speaking up, i asked who it belonged to. The security guard shun his torch in my eyes and told me that it now belonged to the Australian Army and had for quite some time. He continued to ask us for our details and who owned the cars to hand over to the police in case of any report of vandalism. He told us that this was our only warning and if he saw us again we would be arrested and charged. Curious, i asked how long he would keep our details in his phone, he told me that he would keep them for a long time.

I told him that there are no signs stating that this land belongs to anyone, and another member of my group stated that it was not stated on any website on the internet. The security guard could not explain why they had not been updated. I apologised on behalf of myself and my friends for trespassing that we did not know that it belonged to the government, that he could be sure that he would never see any of us again and that we would pass on this information to anyone who spoke of heading up to the memorial site to see the paranormal activity. The security guard told us to leave and that he was now going to check for damages.


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c_c c_c 1:42 am 09 Apr 12

“Paranormal activity” – Sounds like something the druggies from Canberra College would come up with.

To be honest, I don’t see any problem with what the security guard did, except perhaps his tone was a bit abrasive. But when it’s night time and you’re outnumbered in the middle of nowhere, I’d be abrasive too.

There is no reasonable reason for you to be there at 9pm. Given that the memorial has a long history of being a place young people vandalise and hold drunk parties, along with illegal dumping, I’m frankly glad to see someone is keeping an eye on it.

Had I seen a bunch of P-plated cars heading towards the memorial, I would have called the Police myself.

“I told him that there are no signs stating that this land belongs to anyone, and another member of my group stated that it was not stated on any website on the internet.”

And you lied to the security guard too, because one of the first results on Google is for an NCA guide stating ACT Forests should be contacted for vehicle access.

Even if you didn’t know specifically, it’s just silly to think it isn’t owned by anyone. It’s a memorial, on ACT land, in a forrest, near a Defence Establishment and an Airport. Safe bet someone owns it.

Grow up kids.

staminaman62 staminaman62 7:45 am 09 Apr 12

c_c said :

“Paranormal activity” – Sounds like something the druggies from Canberra College would come up with.

To be honest, I don’t see any problem with what the security guard did, except perhaps his tone was a bit abrasive. But when it’s night time and you’re outnumbered in the middle of nowhere, I’d be abrasive too.

There is no reasonable reason for you to be there at 9.00pm.

To be honest, I have a huge problem with what the security guard did. If there are no signs warning of trespassing perhaps they had every right to be there. The German shepherd, the threat to call the police, shining a torch in someone’s eye, WTF? This is Australia, not East Germany or the Soviet Union.

If there is a memorial there then that certainly implies the public can enter and have a look. If it had been me, I would’ve called the security goon’s bluff and called the police myself. I potentially could’ve had HIM charged with illegal detention.

BTW, what gives you the right to say they had no reasonable reason to be there at 9.00pm? I reserve the right to walk out my front door at any time of the day or night I feel like. Or should I check with you first to make sure my excursion is ‘reasonable’ in your eyes?

Grow up.

Thumper Thumper 8:18 am 09 Apr 12

and told me that it now belonged to the Australian Army and had for quite some time

It’s certainly not defence land. ACT government maybe.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 8:49 am 09 Apr 12

Dont listen to c_c. Your only mistake was giving your personal information to the guard. I would have told him where to go. They have zero power to request that sort of information and they have zero power to detain you, hell they cannot even lay one finger on you.

If you were doing nothing more than looking around then you should have just told him that and left.

I would be ringing whatever company he was working for and make sure your personal information is deleted.

Deref Deref 8:53 am 09 Apr 12

“…to see if we saw any paranormal activity.”

And you missed it entirely. That “security guard” was obviously an ectoplasmic manifestation sent from Beyond. So was his dog.

He may well have implanted some ectoplasm in you. Remember that a sore anus is a sure sign of supernatural jiggery-pokery–particularly the pokery part.

If I were you, I’d rush on down to my iridologist for a homeopathic prescription to protect you against demonic possession. Your local Catholic Priest may also be able to help.

G.R.R G.R.R 9:14 am 09 Apr 12

They told you it’d take 90 mins and you arrived in 25-30 after getting lost?!

fabforty fabforty 9:17 am 09 Apr 12

Sooooooo….. the locked metal gate across the road wasn’t enough to give you the hint that you weren’t allowed to go up that way ? Once you decided to leave your car and walk past the gate – you were trespassing. Doesn’t matter who owns the land and no-one owes you an explanation.

vg vg 9:19 am 09 Apr 12

“there were two other NSW P Plater cars at the gate”

You lost the adults at that point

Ben_Dover Ben_Dover 9:21 am 09 Apr 12

On the 8th of April 2012, myself along with a small group of friends headed up to the Canberra Air Disaster Memorial we wanted to see if we saw any paranormal activity. Two of our party stayed back at our cars because they were superstitious

Utter gold, you couldn’t make crap like that up if you tried.

You should get a job writing Scooby Doo episdes.

So Scooby the security guard ghost was really the janitor?”

“Dang those pesky kids!”

Clown Killer Clown Killer 10:03 am 09 Apr 12

“Sooooooo….. the locked metal gate across the road wasn’t enough to give you the hint that you weren’t allowed to go up that way ? Once you decided to leave your car and walk past the gate – you were trespassing. Doesn’t matter who owns the land and no-one owes you an explanation.”

In the absence of a well posted sign to the contrary, the only possibly conclusion you could draw from the presence of a gate was that vehicle access was restricted. Nothing suggests that pedestrian access is restricted.

This simply looks like some jumped-up little arse-monkey taking a power trip. If you know the security company that the loser worked for give them a call on Tuesday and ask about lodging a formal complaint, also ask if there’s an industry representative body with which you can lodge a formal complaint and if you’ve got the time and you’re on a roll lodge a complaint with the ACT Government (from recollection that land is managed by ACT Forests) that last one should be a complaint about the security people they hire – they don’t and they’ll try to get out of it by telling you that, but you need to persist so this becomes an issue about this company purporting to act on behalf of the ACT Government, while I think about it, do the same with the Department of Defence – the goal here is to get as many officials and beauracrats contacting the security firm with a ‘please explain’ that they simply sack the prick. Think of what you’re doing as a community service.

buzz819 buzz819 10:29 am 09 Apr 12

fabforty said :

Sooooooo….. the locked metal gate across the road wasn’t enough to give you the hint that you weren’t allowed to go up that way ? Once you decided to leave your car and walk past the gate – you were trespassing. Doesn’t matter who owns the land and no-one owes you an explanation.

You’re a douche.

Does that mean you can’t enter Stromlo Forest, or Black Mountain Ridge, how about the Brindabella’s?

I think you will find that the security guard was more there for the paint ball complex and flexing some Burger King muscles because he had nothing else to do at the time.

At the end of the day, it is a forest with a memorial in it.

p1 p1 10:42 am 09 Apr 12

fabforty said :

Sooooooo….. the locked metal gate across the road wasn’t enough to give you the hint that you weren’t allowed to go up that way ? Once you decided to leave your car and walk past the gate – you were trespassing. Doesn’t matter who owns the land and no-one owes you an explanation.

Do you honestly believe that? You do know there is a locked gate at every National Park and play ground, memorial, cemetery, lake side and parkland area in the ACT, and only a very few have restrictions on visiting them at night.

I would report the guard to te police if I was genuinely concerned about his behavior.

Instant Mash Instant Mash 10:49 am 09 Apr 12

I don’t get why these toy cops always have such a bad attitude. A mistake was made; fair enough. That’s no reason to come on with the “I can have you arrested for trespassing” straight away. They should really have the decency to listen before they threaten.

Ben_Dover Ben_Dover 11:24 am 09 Apr 12

I’d report the guard too. But then you’d have to tell the security firm that you were going “up to the Canberra Air Disaster Memorial we wanted to see if we saw any paranormal activity”. Then they’d wet themselves laughing at you, just like everybody else does…

Just to add; would it not have been hysterically funny to have had advance warning of this “event”? To go up to the memorial with a few ghetto blasters with “Theme from Suspiria” by Golblin on, a few tins of luminous paint, and some sheets?

I bet dry cleaners would make a fortune out of the “brown pants” epidemic following that.

6matt9 6matt9 11:45 am 09 Apr 12

@c_c – Zzzzzzzz…Could you be any more of a boring do-gooder!? It is a memorial! People are allowed to go there. As for druggies coming up with the term ‘paranormal activiity’ I think you’ll find the most likely scenario is they’ve watched a few too many films including one called Paranormal Activity.

If everyone was like you we’d all be at home in bed by 8:30pm and taking crap from power hungry security goons. You need to get out more and have some fun. Don’t be so serious…jeez.

Gerry-Built Gerry-Built 12:34 pm 09 Apr 12

The area you described walking along is all in public land.

If you remember the details of the guard (ie company he worked for etc), I’d be contacting them and making an official complaint – and possibly the police (it shouldn’t be too hard to work out which company is licensed with dogs – then finding this tool should be easy). Whilst that is Government land – it is also public land – so long as you did not leave the forest. The Paintball area is probably leased off the Commonwealth and would be off limits; as would the speedway (the oval just off Pialligo Ave) and Military training land (unforested to the west of forest), but the path from Pialligo Ave to the memorial is publicly accessible – it is not fenced off, but has barricades (such as the locked gate) to prevent unauthorised vehicle access (perhaps to protect the investment in the timber?).

Sounds like the guard was simply a power hungry tool – who will remain so until someone reins him in… that’s where people like you come in… make a complaint, and possibly, once you know the company etc, report the harassment to the police. Even if the police had been called; all they could do is ask you to leave. Honestly, some people get a uniform on and think it is a cloak of invincibility…

Gerry-Built Gerry-Built 1:03 pm 09 Apr 12

The unfenced area (some 54Ha) is part of ACT Government land (Commercial Pine Plantation). Fairbairn Pines are part of Kowen Forest and are still open to “informal use”… Information on use of these areas can be found here on TAMS website

Sandman Sandman 1:10 pm 09 Apr 12

c_c said :

And you lied to the security guard too, because one of the first results on Google is for an NCA guide stating ACT Forests should be contacted for vehicle access.
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They weren’t after vehicle access, they parked at the gate and walked. There are plenty of places in Canberra where you are allowed to walk but not allowed to drive.

It’s not suprising that vehicle access is closed to that area. I remember many a time as a young adult buying old cheap cars with a few weeks rego left and heading out there for a night of spirited dirt driving ( And before anyone pisses and moans about it, we never left the cars there, we never got above the speed limit, and we had 2 way radio’s and spotters to warn of any other traffic.)
Other visitors however, preferred stolen cars and torching them once they no longer ran or were finished with them.

Gerry-Built Gerry-Built 1:20 pm 09 Apr 12

c_c said :

Grow up kids.

No! YOU grow up 😛

dazzab dazzab 1:35 pm 09 Apr 12

I was told earlier in the week by a security guard that I couldn’t photograph one of the buildings in the Brindabella Business Park from Pialligo Rd. Yeah right.

When I asked why, after taking the photos mind you, I was told that the Australian Defence Force had offices in the building. No fence, no sign, on a major public road and this guy tells me I can’t take photos.

I guess in this case there was a locked gate so it’s a bit different, but if someone is going to give me a hard time like this I want some more information as to why and I’ll be the one calling the Police thank you very much.

Oh, for those of you who want to join me in some civil disobedience, just stick your mobile out the car next time you drive by this building and take a photo of it. Menaces to society that we are all.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dburkey/6904003922/

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