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Canberra Marist College on Lateline!

johnboy 22 October 2008 161

[First filed: October 20, 2008 @ 23:05]

Not good news for them.

Video to follow

Video now available, transcript to follow.

Now here’s a question for whichever local politicians are not transfixed by fear of pederasts…

Will they allow a school with a history of proven child sexual abuse, and no known body responsible for its continuing behaviour, to continue to take children into its care next year?

Or is this an injustice that can be tolerated as long as it mollifies the Catholic vote?

Once more for the slow of uptake.

It is a proven fact that children in the care of this school have been sexually abused. There is no entity taking responsibility for this abuse. More children are being put into this school’s care next year. This is, apparently, an acceptable state of affairs for our elected leaders.

UPDATED: For those who can’t do video the transcript is now online.


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Clown Killer Clown Killer 6:20 am 25 Oct 08

If the intervention catches any perpetrators, or possibly already has, why would we know about it already?

The number is eight. That’s confirmed victims.

paulover paulover 11:52 pm 24 Oct 08

The Marists don’t own the school?

I understand that upon the withdrawal of the Marist mission at Marist College Rosalie at the end of this year(a stone’s throw from Bris CBD by the way…how’s that for forward planning?) they will have at their disposal the school’s playing fields located at Fig Tree Pocket in the western suburbs,worth between $20 -$25m. The working class parents of that school community raised the money to pay for that land in the late 50’s.

Another of their Bris metropolitan mission schools likely to undergo yet another transformation in the near future….and who owns the playing fields there? Exactly what land attached was bequeathed to them?

Add to that the dairy farm they sold on the Gold Coast at Currumbin in the late 80’s as well as the neighbouring farm bequeathed to them….and the sale of land up at Mt Tamborine in the Gold Coast hinterland.

Then there are the many ‘retreat’ properties, northern NSW etc.

If I was them, I’d be acting dumb about owning the school, cutting my losses, retreating from Canberra and avoiding the payout.

Sorry to all the good folk at the RiotAct but you are operating in a very small frame (no disrespect to the abused)and it is a very sorry tale indeed. All the same, look after yourselves as best you can, put your trust and support into the legal representatives and conserve your personal energy for your loved ones.

Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 11:51 am 24 Oct 08

Peterh: You’re trying to argue with Passy.
Do not feed the troll.

And for people who want a critical assessment of the IOntervention, don’t ask Passy, go find someone who has worked with it.
There are hundreds of them around town.

peterh peterh 11:36 am 24 Oct 08

Passy said :

I think sexual abuse of children by catholic teachers is not an aberration. It is systemic, something that springs from the very philosophy and organisational structure of the Church.

The response needs to be systemic. It won’t be.

Our Governments invaded the Northern Territory using the argument that they were protecting the children. This was the excuse for this anti-black, anti-land rights attack on aboriginal communities.

As far as I know not one abuse charge has been laid as a consequence of the invasion.

But if it is OK to invade black communities in the Northern territory to “save” black kids, why don’t we do the same for saving white kids in catholic schools?

Or could it be the Catholic Church is in Australia a white institution and powerful?

bollocks.

the intervention in the NT is not to take away land rights or be anti-black, it is to show a presence in these communities to prevent the abuse that has been perpetrated on children. If the intervention catches any perpetrators, or possibly already has, why would we know about it already? The staff committed to the intervention in the communities are not invaders. Nor are the majority of them white. Just another attempt by you to stir the pot. well done.

If we are to allow an intervention in our society to prevent the abuse of children, we need to look at a method that catches these perpetrators prior to their exposure to children at risk.

I have mentioned genesys testing, and a lot of people argue that this is a breach of the individual’s human rights. You are right. it is.

But i would still like to have some sort of safeguard in place to stop this behavior. what else can we do to prevent the destruction of a child’s innocence and trusting an authority figure?

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 10:54 am 24 Oct 08

@BerraBoy: excellent. Thanks for the update. About time this happened!

BerraBoy68 BerraBoy68 7:44 pm 23 Oct 08

Look for an article on this issue in the Canberra Times on Saturday.

Also, Time For Healing ACT has just put out a press release advising they are seeking a Federal Gov’t inquiry into the funding of Marist College for the past 40yrs. The issue is how the Federal Gov’t can provide taxpayer funding to a school where there is no legal authority in charge of, or even known at, the school. Worse still, the founders of Marist (who maintain a presence, and even live at, the schools premises) have happily accepted Federal Gov’t funding for the school for 40 yrs. They have recently stated in court on several occasion’s now that they have no idea who has ever been in charge of the school. Ms Julia Gillard, over to you…

Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 10:18 am 23 Oct 08

Back on topic:

If the College claims that the Order do not run the school, the Order are not involved in the administration of the College, and the Order are not responsible for the school, but the cheques from students-fees (and any incoming payments from other organisations which get made to the school) end up in Order’s coffers…

1) Why does the College Bursar give money to the Order, and
2) what would the impact of a fully-independent audit of College Accounts be on the administration of the school?
3) How long could the school survive in a cashflow crisis?

Anyone get the feeling there may be a rush of teachers asking for payment advances?

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 10:11 am 23 Oct 08

Hmmm, this post has certainly take a turn for the worse.

Passy Passy 10:30 pm 22 Oct 08

I think sexual abuse of children by catholic teachers is not an aberration. It is systemic, something that springs from the very philosophy and organisational structure of the Church.

The response needs to be systemic. It won’t be.

Our Governments invaded the Northern Territory using the argument that they were protecting the children. This was the excuse for this anti-black, anti-land rights attack on aboriginal communities.

As far as I know not one abuse charge has been laid as a consequence of the invasion.

But if it is OK to invade black communities in the Northern territory to “save” black kids, why don’t we do the same for saving white kids in catholic schools?

Or could it be the Catholic Church is in Australia a white institution and powerful?

Moi Moi 5:24 pm 22 Oct 08

Sleaz274 at #126: Did you read the bit pogroms not being cool?

monomania monomania 3:24 pm 22 Oct 08

buddingjourno said :

not that it is enough, but hopefuly kostka will get his fair share of abuse behind bars.

Abuse is abuse be it of a child in school or a child molester in gaol, both are a crime and a denial of human rights. A just society has an obligation to protect everyone from abuse.

Whatsup Whatsup 2:27 pm 22 Oct 08

Any organisation with ethics would not be involved or allow their legal team to enter into the position of non accountability which Marist appears to have done.

peterh peterh 1:53 pm 22 Oct 08

tylersmayhem said :


Again, where are the lines drawn? Or do we become a “Gattaca” type of civilisation where EVERYONE is registered, blood type and psych tested “just in case”? At what cost to our state of mind and well being?

considering that i have an extra chromosome, I would be on the psychotic axe murderer list in seconds.

and as i work, listening to alice’s restaurant, there would be ways to beat the system….

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 1:18 pm 22 Oct 08

Perhaps another way to look at it is to impose the same stringent checks performed on the APS / ADF new starters for clearance levels. These checks go far beyond standard police checks.

I’m wondering on the topic of these tests and/or clearances, how much consideration has been given to costs? To get APS clearances completed, there is a lot of down time for the candidates (even when successful) while the process works it’s way through. Not to mention the cost of each clearance going into the thousands.

I obtained my clearance recently, after about 5 months of restricted duty (additional cost to the employer). My mind boggles to think of the monetary cost for testing everyone who has contact with children in their profession or volunteering.

Again, where are the lines drawn? Or do we become a “Gattaca” type of civilisation where EVERYONE is registered, blood type and psych tested “just in case”? At what cost to our state of mind and well being?

peterh peterh 1:01 pm 22 Oct 08

tylersmayhem said :

On the topic of psychometric testing – I think we as a society need to be very careful here! While I understand the theory behind using these tests, and if they were fool proof, then hey happy days. but where do we draw the line? What happens if a test not accurate, and a teacher, carer, volunteer is cast out and recorded as a “questionable character”?

Will everyone in a community be tested to find out who the “risks” are? Where do we draw the line?

Maybe I’m crazy, but I think adding psychometric testing to the mix could cause a worse psychological imbalance than we already have i.e. paranoia and the over protection of our children. I do understand and support those parents who have been subjected to abuse, and their uncontrollable need to bundle their little ones up in cotton wool, I really do! And I do understand the point of, better to be over protective than have an abuse child. But I would also like to have a child who experiences the world in a non-over protected environment and without a feeling of paranoia. Again, another fine line which is hard to draw, or even decide on.

psychometric testing should be handled by professionals. the testing regime is performed by psychologists. the results may be shared with the individual, but no-one else can see the results, without the individual’s consent. All that the employer sees is a line in a report saying “candidate is acceptable / unacceptable”.If the employer wishes to drill down to the reason why the candidate is unacceptable, they need your consent. I am pretty sure that the numbers of people who have nothing to hide would give their consent.

Perhaps another way to look at it is to impose the same stringent checks performed on the APS / ADF new starters for clearance levels. These checks go far beyond standard police checks.

avoid psych checks initially, but have it as an option if a discrepancy is found. (not a small discrepancy, but something serious – an example would be a blip whereby moral compass was discerned to be lacking. Understanding the difference between scolding and hitting a child is sometimes not easy to discover until they have hurt a littlie.

I failed my genesys test when applying for work for the Coles group. I was asked to consent to my potential employer viewing my results, after I did. I scored badly on mathematical understanding – ability to quickly solve complex maths problems. I consented, and was employed. (they gave me a calculator)

another company uncovered that I was prone to fits of rage, and high anxiety. still got the job. was working on my own, waaay away from anyone else.

Granny Granny 12:21 pm 22 Oct 08

Oh, that is ironic!! I’ve just sat down to write to some of these people. I’ll post some of the results when I get done in case anybody wants to do something similar.

Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 11:52 am 22 Oct 08

For any of you trying to email the school, feel free to reference a few of their “Key Values” that they claim to uphold and pass on to students.

We hold that certain standards of behaviour, attitude and presentation are essential if the College is to work and flourish. These gospel values are the foundation for respect, fairness and a sense of care and safety across the school community.
We believe that teenagers have an enormous capacity to absorb new experiences and that as a staff we have a duty to harness this facility so that they can grow spiritually, intellectually, morally and socially.
We are committed to being open and transparent in all dimensions of the school’s life.

radonezh radonezh 10:53 am 22 Oct 08

tylersmayhem @ 142: sigh. Having seen how it can work in other industries if it is implemented as part of a well-designed package of controls, I don’t share your paranoia, but again, I’m not hung up on it. It’s really about having a targeted set of controls. If psych testing is part of that, I think that’s better, but there’s lots of procedural stuff that can be implemented at very minor cost to the taxpayer (since it’s really all about designing and implementing work rules).

I am not sure that this is about wrapping kids in cotton wool. I actually think that part of the package of controls would include education where kids would be given appropriate knowledge about what sort of things can happen, and do some role-playing around how to react when that happens. Far from cotton wool, this is about strengthening their “immune systems” to fight abuse if and when it does occur.

Anyway, have a great day everyone. It is has been great discussing this issue with you all. I’m bowing out of this thread now – too much work on plate and am falling behind.

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 10:29 am 22 Oct 08

Sorry VicePope but a legal right does not equal a moral right, especially for a religious organsation. Some of the victims can’t live ‘normal’ lives due to the abuse they suffered.

Spot on BerraBoy – put much better that I could ever try to. I often agree with you VicePope, but not on this one dude!

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 10:27 am 22 Oct 08

On the topic of psychometric testing – I think we as a society need to be very careful here! While I understand the theory behind using these tests, and if they were fool proof, then hey happy days. but where do we draw the line? What happens if a test not accurate, and a teacher, carer, volunteer is cast out and recorded as a “questionable character”?

Will everyone in a community be tested to find out who the “risks” are? Where do we draw the line?

Maybe I’m crazy, but I think adding psychometric testing to the mix could cause a worse psychological imbalance than we already have i.e. paranoia and the over protection of our children. I do understand and support those parents who have been subjected to abuse, and their uncontrollable need to bundle their little ones up in cotton wool, I really do! And I do understand the point of, better to be over protective than have an abuse child. But I would also like to have a child who experiences the world in a non-over protected environment and without a feeling of paranoia. Again, another fine line which is hard to draw, or even decide on.

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