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Canberra teen dies on the Barton Highway

By johnboy 24 September 2010 36

This in from NSW Police:

Police will prepare a report for the Coroner after the death of a man following a single-vehicle crash near Canberra this morning.

About 3.50am a car was travelling on the Barton Highway at Jeir, 40kms south-east of Canberra, when it left the roadway and went into a ditch.

The driver, an 18-year-old man from Canberra, suffered serious injuries and was taken to Canberra Hospital but later died.

His 17-year-old male passenger suffered minor injuries and was also taken to Canberra Hospital.

The road has since reopened.

Our condolences to family and friends.

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Me no fry 1:24 pm 27 Sep 10

buzz819 said :

It’s funny, I’ve driven that road on hundreds of different occasions in a lot of different cars, never died one… After that kind of research I find that the thing that caused the accident would have been;
1) Lack of experience;
2) Too much speed; and,
3) A confusion of one’s ambitions and capabilities.

Tens of thousand’s of people drive that road weekly, it is a major road, when someone isn’t driving sensibly, they are going to die…

Yes, but you’re talking about what caused an accident, I’m talking about how severe the consequences of an accident need to be.

buzz819 11:39 am 27 Sep 10

Me no fry said :

vg said :

“Most of you just don’t get it.”

How many fatal accidents have you been to?

None, in an official capacity, not that I’m sure just how the question is relevant. I have been present when people have died, though, very unpleasant. The human body just isn’t designed to cope with sudden impacts at anything much above running speed.

My opening sentence in comment #29 sounds a bit combative, when I re-read it. It wasn’t meant to be. My point is, how safe can any road really be when people die on it regularly? Certainly the Barton Highway would be a bit safer if that bloody big tree the guy ran into – for whatever reason – had been chopped down years ago. That’s all I’m saying – the road isn’t just the black tarmaccy thing you drive on, it’s the whole box and dice, it’s run-off areas that allow you to wash off speed without coming to a sudden stop against a tree, it’s a lack of blind corners, it’s a lot of things.

It’s funny, I’ve driven that road on hundreds of different occasions in a lot of different cars, never died one… After that kind of research I find that the thing that caused the accident would have been;
1) Lack of experience;
2) Too much speed; and,
3) A confusion of one’s ambitions and capabilities.

Tens of thousand’s of people drive that road weekly, it is a major road, when someone isn’t driving sensibly, they are going to die…

Me no fry 10:30 am 27 Sep 10

vg said :

“Most of you just don’t get it.”

How many fatal accidents have you been to?

None, in an official capacity, not that I’m sure just how the question is relevant. I have been present when people have died, though, very unpleasant. The human body just isn’t designed to cope with sudden impacts at anything much above running speed.

My opening sentence in comment #29 sounds a bit combative, when I re-read it. It wasn’t meant to be. My point is, how safe can any road really be when people die on it regularly? Certainly the Barton Highway would be a bit safer if that bloody big tree the guy ran into – for whatever reason – had been chopped down years ago. That’s all I’m saying – the road isn’t just the black tarmaccy thing you drive on, it’s the whole box and dice, it’s run-off areas that allow you to wash off speed without coming to a sudden stop against a tree, it’s a lack of blind corners, it’s a lot of things.

Special G 9:55 am 27 Sep 10

The road can be as good or as bad as you like. People will still find a way to crash on it. Autobahns etc all throughout Europe are about as good as a road can get – a lot of them are racetrack quality. People still crash and kill themselves.

Maybe we should let all the roads go to crap then people will have to slow down and pay attention to drive them. Probably will have more crashes then – but at lower speeds will be less fatalities.

georgesgenitals 2:39 pm 26 Sep 10

Me no fry said :

Most of you just don’t get it. If somebody dies on a road, then the safety of the road could probably be improved.

Like the exit from the Monaro Hwy at Canberra Ave? Was that the road’s fault?

Tooks 1:00 pm 26 Sep 10

Me no fry said :

Most of you just don’t get it. If somebody dies on a road, then the safety of the road could probably be improved.

I agree with your comment, but my point was that driver error is the cause of prangs, rather than the road, which would be just one factor out of many when determining the cause.

vg 12:56 pm 26 Sep 10

“Most of you just don’t get it.”

How many fatal accidents have you been to?

Me no fry 12:35 pm 26 Sep 10

Most of you just don’t get it. If somebody dies on a road, then the safety of the road could probably be improved.

Look at the approach the Swedes have taken on road safety. They have this plan called Vision Zero (must have stolen the idea from Stanhope…..) which involved accepting that people will probably always find a way to crash their cars (stupidity, inexperience, momentary distraction, whatever), so you just have to mitigate the effects of that crash by trying to control the amount of kinetic energy carries into a crash. They do things like clearing trees and large rocks from the roadside, changing all 2 lane roads into 3 lane roads (presumably with the 3rd lane switching sides occasionaly so that each side of traffic knows an overtaking lane isn’t too far away) and putting up crash barriers between opposing traffic lanes.

Oh, and if you get caught drink-driving in Sweden you apparently stand a good chance of being sent to jail. No pissy little 3 month driving ban, $600 fine and a restricted licence to drive to work – jail.

vg 11:29 am 26 Sep 10

“What about registered black spots then?”

Are they registered because the road has accidents?

Gerry-Built 10:56 am 26 Sep 10

Your life is a hell of a price to pay for inexperience.

It’s a pity it takes years to develop driving experience… I’m all for getting kids to get some driving experience off the roads, well before they a legally allowed on them.

Condolences to the families and friends… whatever the reason was.

Tooks 9:44 am 26 Sep 10

matt31221 said :

Tooks said :

Postalgeek said :

A road is a road, the surface beneath your car. It’s not safe or unsafe. You could drive on the Barton highway on a rainy night at 40kph and it’d probably feel safe.

What is safe, or unsafe, is the concentration of drivers, their expectations, their judgement, their skills, and their ability to assess the road and conditions.

Spot on. The media especially love blaming roads, rainy weather etc for prangs.

What about registered black spots then? Do you think they are just tragic coincidences? Perhaps caused by a malevolent spirit? Some bits of roads are safe and some are UNSAFE. Drivers skill and other factors come into it too but so does the road.

Yes, a better engineered road with a centre divider and three lanes each way will probably result in fewer crashes, but there is too much blaming of roads for crashes, in my opinion. It irks me when I hear the media say things like “the (insert name here) Highway has claimed another life”.

Drivers are safe or unsafe – that is the main factor. Yes, a better road will give a driver more room for error, but inexperience, lack of observation and anticipation etc are all bigger factors than the quality of road.

Felix the Cat 5:39 am 26 Sep 10

How can the road be the cause (or a major contributor) of the crash if thousands of other motorists use it every day with no incidents?

Possibly a ‘roo could of jumped out in front of the car. 3.50am is pretty early to be out and about, maybe the driver fell asleep momentarily (Dr Karl microsleep) and then reawakened to see themselves heading off the road but were too late to stop the car.

povobogan 1:38 am 26 Sep 10

He wasnt a ‘man’ at all, he was just a boy, my good friend.

matt31221 9:12 pm 25 Sep 10

Tooks said :

Postalgeek said :

A road is a road, the surface beneath your car. It’s not safe or unsafe. You could drive on the Barton highway on a rainy night at 40kph and it’d probably feel safe.

What is safe, or unsafe, is the concentration of drivers, their expectations, their judgement, their skills, and their ability to assess the road and conditions.

Spot on. The media especially love blaming roads, rainy weather etc for prangs.

What about registered black spots then? Do you think they are just tragic coincidences? Perhaps caused by a malevolent spirit? Some bits of roads are safe and some are UNSAFE. Drivers skill and other factors come into it too but so does the road.

Tooks 9:09 am 25 Sep 10

Postalgeek said :

A road is a road, the surface beneath your car. It’s not safe or unsafe. You could drive on the Barton highway on a rainy night at 40kph and it’d probably feel safe.

What is safe, or unsafe, is the concentration of drivers, their expectations, their judgement, their skills, and their ability to assess the road and conditions.

Spot on. The media especially love blaming roads, rainy weather etc for prangs.

Moose 5:44 am 25 Sep 10

During this time of year, and the transition through winter, this part of track can get pretty hairy. Even some of the most experienced drivers I know who do the daily commute, have got themselves into trouble with people either not slowing down, or plain not paying enough attention (oh look at the new baby goats!!). After making the daily commute up and down this stretch of highway for a few years, there are times when it can be absolutely terrifying.

The huge trucks heading back down to Albury, the idiots who like to use it as their own personal speed way, the kangaroos who like to mull around, or just the plain ol’ weather. I think fixing the situation comes under a number of different solutions, the matter is getting to that suitable point.

Condolences to the family.

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