7 January 2008

Canberra's very own holocaust denier

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The Australian reports that a Canberran, Richard Krege, has gone to Tehran to re-affirm the crazies there of their belief that the mass exterminations conducted by the Nazi’s didn’t actually happen.


[Richard Krege]

Richard is an electrical engineer for Airservices Australia. According to The Australian he has been using his work email address to comment on these matters.

Richard Krege, who is on annual leave from the Canberra-based agency, said that only 5000 people died at Treblinka, from disease, and used his own model of the concentration camp to illustrate his claims.

Most historians believe that at least 800,000 prisoners were murdered in the camp, which was in Poland during World War II.

Mr Krege based his argument on a soil survey he undertook at Treblinka in October 1999, claiming to have found no evidence of mass graves.

The bizarre and disturbing (in my opinion) judicialinc.biz has some favourable coverage of the visit.

Canberrans never cease to amaze.

Thanks to Caz for the tip, she also observes that Richard appears to have been a Toastmaster back in 2001. (ah, wait, he’s still listed as their treasurer for 2005-6.)

UPDATED: Today’s Canberra Times (16-DEC-06) has an excellent Pryor cartoon on the subject with an uncanny likeness to Mr. Krege despite the CT not touching the story at all as far as we know.

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Well, that was interesting. I did intend that to be my last post, but I feel it’s appropriate to respond:
1. That’s the first time I’ve atually been asked about when the next terrorist attack is. Isn’t that strange? The answer is: I don’t know. My mind just sort of came back to c1996 which was the time I went to Los Angeles when I was caught up in the worlds of Daphne Zuniga and Yasmine Bleeth. Which means my mind is now back in synch with the general flow of things. Ahhhh, to be a young man again!
2. Usually people go grasping for descriptions of psychiatric illness to avoid a much larger and disturbing problem- that is, that we are not really safe, and our institutions are riddled with error! It’s scarey!
3. I am of Germanic descent. But, one of the Rheinish-type ones, and maybe going back a long way. There’s a photo of me under the ‘Who is the Antichrist?’ section at sqlspace in the last few pages of posts:
http://www.sqlspace.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=11173&start=10
4. I don’t defend the killing of Jews in any way.
5. I actually remember Richard Krege as being a fairly nice and sincere guy. Like him, I have ties to the Lutheran regions of Europe. I made plans to move there but was sidetracked by the bad ‘l’ word which was probably to do with people’s lies to the ‘l’ world about me.
6. My main argument in what I’ve said at sqlspace is that there were glitches in a chain of events involving me. I was either going to end up married and living in London, or making films in Los Angeles in the Nineties. Because of various reasons which I state at sqlspace, I ended up still connected to the industry but not working in it. I did, however, have a brief flirt with being involved as my design concepts for the posters for the film Jumper were used for promoting the film. The film grossed around 222 million dollars at the box office, so you can guess how upsetting this is to someone who can barely make it through the fortnight on his pension.

So, that’s it. That really feels like I’m at the end of it. The lessons are to be learnt from what I’ve delivered to you online. So, I hope that the thing that comes out of this is that young filmmakers can understand what can go wrong in your career. Best of luck to those in the industry and long live freedon of speech!
Ben Dickson

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy9:24 pm 17 Jun 09

Thanks for that. Seems to me like people of German extraction wanting to lessen their guilt.

Of course, ‘The Jews’ haven’t always behaved perfectly, certainly the Israeli govt has done some objectionable things. But to be fair, there are plenty of worse govts, and govts by their very nature do things that some people don’t like.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the actual point of denying the holocaust occurred?

Simple VY, the point is to:

A) make the jewish people out to be liars and by implication the nation of Isreal evil;
B) use A above, to turn the rest of the ‘thinking’ world against the jewish people for their racist and revisionist tendencies (note the irony here?); and
C) use the misinformation they are spreading to make the Nazi’s look more like grossly misunderstood teddy bears (e.g. stating the Nazi’s looked after the Jews during their internment in the Concentration Camps, rather than slaughtering them as they saw fit) than the rabid, out of control murdering bastards they they were (i.e. Nazi’s good – Jews bad).

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy8:59 pm 17 Jun 09

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the actual point of denying the holocaust occurred?

p1 said :

Vilification laws should be used against that crime, and if people manage to publicly deny the holocaust happened without breaking any other laws then they should remain free.

When I studied history at ANU, one of the very first things we learned was that memorising specific names and dates is secondary to the ability to analyse and interpret historical events. In this regard I have no issue with anybody that wants to question historical events based on evidence. What I have a major issue with is people clearly trying to re-write history in an effort to ‘cleanse’ their own ancestors* of despicable acts and vilifying another race of people to do so (i.e. their claims that “the jews invented the holocaust as they are a race of liars, cheaters, murderers, etc..”) but then, ironically, isn’t that why the Nazi’s built the gas chambers came about in the first place.

*Would I be right in assuming Krege and Tobin both have German ancestors?

Racial vilification should be a crime not questioning history.

I agree. Vilification laws should be used against that crime, and if people manage to publicly deny the holocaust happened without breaking any other laws then they should remain free. I suspect that this will not happen, but rather the government would have to try a lot harder to uncover their actions which do break laws.

Making denial of a historic incident a crime like this is a bit similar to making bikie gang members associating a crime. An easily identifiable trait that selects a group of people, most of whom are probably guilty of the crime which actually concerns you.

I was reading through this thread with considerable alarm at work today. I couldn’t join in earlier as I’ve deliberately nobbled myself from taking part on RA while at work.

While this Krege character is appears to be person of the worst kind, a short tour of the link provided adequately demonstrates the racist conspiratorial mentality of these morons. For example, in 5 minutes you can see that this filth really believes that the Colombine massacre was a jewish conspiracy to kill American’s and the Port Arthur Massacre was really carried out by Moshad in an effort to take guns off Australians.

A friendly warning though, if you do look at the Colombine page, don’t go to the bottom as there is a rather gory pic of the dead killers taken after killing themselves.

As for Krege, if you’re reading this I invite you to meet me for coffee (I’ll even shout)to discuss your ‘theories’. I can be contacted at berraboy68@gmail.com. For info, I’m neither jewish or german, although I do have German friends of WW2 vintage who view your theories as being quite abhorrent, and this despite their losing their fathers on the Western Front. I really, really would like to discuss this with you.

Ben, I would also encourage you to go and speak to someone. I hope you can find someone caring and sensible that you can trust and respect. Best of luck.

p1 said :

I have no doubt that the holocaust occurred and its extent. I recognise that to deny that it occurred or its extent is highly offensive to most people especially those whose families or national, ethnic and religious groups were directly affected. However, I can’t see why holocaust denial should be a crime. One is able to question the extent of claimed atrocities that have occurred more recently in other places in Europe Africa and Asia. And we have no trouble trading with countries that are prepared to rewrite their own histories.

To make it even simpler, it is legal to be a member of the “Flat Earth Society”.

I think that the issue really has to do with people who actively push denialist discussions often encourage many of the sentiments and policies of the late Mr A Hitler, thus stepping from simple disbelief in generally accepted truth toward hate and vilification.

+1.

Clarification: Racial vilification should be a crime not questioning history. I appreciate that Holocaust denial is usually linked to groups that also vilify Jews.

I have no doubt that the holocaust occurred and its extent. I recognise that to deny that it occurred or its extent is highly offensive to most people especially those whose families or national, ethnic and religious groups were directly affected. However, I can’t see why holocaust denial should be a crime. One is able to question the extent of claimed atrocities that have occurred more recently in other places in Europe Africa and Asia. And we have no trouble trading with countries that are prepared to rewrite their own histories.

To make it even simpler, it is legal to be a member of the “Flat Earth Society”.

I think that the issue really has to do with people who actively push denialist discussions often encourage many of the sentiments and policies of the late Mr A Hitler, thus stepping from simple disbelief in generally accepted truth toward hate and vilification.

I have no doubt that the holocaust occurred and its extent. I recognise that to deny that it occurred or its extent is highly offensive to most people especially those whose families or national, ethnic and religious groups were directly affected. However, I can’t see why holocaust denial should be a crime. One is able to question the extent of claimed atrocities that have occurred more recently in other places in Europe Africa and Asia. And we have no trouble trading with countries that are prepared to rewrite their own histories.

RE: Rambling Ben.
I fear I may have originally drawn Ben here some months ago by mentioning his SQLSpace presence in another thread ages ago.
Personal first impression was that he’s crazier than Chester (no small feat in itself), but as he was relevant to (and provided an example of the potential fo damage being discussed in) the conversation, I figured I could get away with it, as I was linking to a thread he was very unlikley to see.
Damn you, karmic blowback.

Probably would not be described as neurotypical. (Everyone likes to think of themselves as special)
Delusions of reference. (Belief that many various phenomenon relate to them personally)
Apophenia with hindsight\memory bias. (Sees patterns in things most of the population would see as unconnected)

Formal thinking derailment. (Tangential associations between ideas leading to stark changes in continuity of narrative)
Occasional lapses into rambling logorrhoea. (Word salad)

Those first two are innocuous in and of themselves, the third borders on a DSM criteria (but at the same time could just be a nonrational method of calculation), but the final two are DSM criteria for psychotic mental illness.
I’d say he’s fairly disturbed, and the people he runs into everyday have no idea what he’s like on the interwebs.
PS: See a doctor, Ben.

Deadmandrinking1:16 pm 17 Jun 09

So Benji, when will the next terror attack take place?

I suspect Benji1966 is himself part of the zionist conspiracy – he presents well as a denier, and is certainly affectingly fruity in his language and claims, but he is betrayed by having a hebrew name…

I am not sure if giving these scumbags publicity or acknowledgement either good or bad is they way to go.

Ironically, I have to comment on this useless thread to say that.

Ben, turn off your computer and go take your meds.

why does it sound like a strange one sided conversation ben is having?

Well, I’m sort of at fault in this one. Hopefully, my old friend Richard read my blog at sqlspace. You see, I’m connected to something rather gnarly in the occult/political/entertainment world, and I’ve been connected to Richard since childhood. We both lived in Tempe Crescent up until early 1981. I have fond memories of hanging around Richard and his brother, playing with a train set, and visiting a scince-based place his father was connected to in Canberra. We also went and saw the film ‘Lucky Luke’ together. We had some fun times. The problem is I sold my slug gun to one of the boys around 1980. Now, I think that may have created a bad connection from that point on. So, to find Richard at the centre of this controversy is worrying. Remember- it’s me that alluded to the WTC attack and the London Underground attack before they happened. I believe that this is connected to a word game in the entertainment industry and political world. Although I believe that the figure of one million dead at Treblinka is quite possible, and that anywhere in the millions of Jews were killed in the Holocaust, I too have my doubts about the intentions of certain people in the political world and entertainment world who are Jews. That is to say, I’m not blaming all Jews. I think there are some in occult circles, who by way of their ability to think outside of the Christian religion, have an advantage in the manipulation of the Christian world. I do sense a hatred amongst them, although I have enjoyed Jewish-based media in the past. I’m talking about those Jews who would want to manipulate both Christians and Muslims into a world war. I know that’s heading into big conspiracy territory, but the clues are there. So, I suppose I could have had a negative influence on Richard and his family over the years. I apologise to him for the trouble I’ve caused and to you out there who don’t like his Treblinka theory. Let’s hope we’re all headed into safer territory and happier times in the near future!
Ben Dickson

you take a break and miss this thread…

i have travelled through eastern europe extensively.

holocaust deniers are not loonies, they are often quite rational people with irrational beliefs.

the counter argument to put to them is this:

if you contend that 6 million people were not murdered – where are they ? what became of them ?

almost every european town had a jewish area which is no longer jewish. where did they go ?

not all of them went to israel/oz/us/canada.

its undeniable that they were exterminated.

the evidence is on display at the camps themselves. id urge everyone to visit these places. we need reminding of our darker inclinations as men.

Ho ho, good one Caz. Let us know what the Brissie mayor has to say! Or maybe Anton IS the mayor?

The whole thing is here

Caz, post extracts – Pleeeeaaasssseeee 🙂

We look forward to lobbing canisters at the Merry Moron, this Merry Christmas-time. (Hopefully he’ll only find us after our rudest RiotACTors get back from summer holidays!)

Yes, by gas. The exact words were “You may get interested with the facts very soon, because people wake up to your Zionist gassing-obsessions and then the only way for your sort will be suicidal gassings as an act of mercy to yourself and humanity!”

See if you can make some sort of sense of that. All his emails were that bizarre.

Absent Diane1:53 pm 20 Dec 06

I find something deeply ironic and disturbing about someone who denies the holocaust yet wishes death on people.

Coincidentally – did anyone ever see that doco on the american fella who re-invented the electric chair and was also a holocaust denier? Scarey stuff – the guy was certifiable!! I think it was made by the same guys that did that waco documentary.

I’ve been having email fun with him. He works for the Brisbane City Council, it seems. And he wishes death upon me. What a meanie.

Oh no. No sooner do we we see off one nutter, than another steps forward. Thanks for the warning, Caz, I’m sure the RiotACTors will give Anton the usual treatment.

Hooray! I assume as a result of alerting JB to this story, I’m now getting spam from someone called Anton Gomer with links to the Adelaide Institute. I googled for his name and he’s spammed other sites with info about the holocaust deniers conference. I’m surprised he hasn’t registered here yet. Only a matter of time, I suppose.

the Canberra Institute has been a registered organisation for approx 18 months, it is the child of Peter Conway, well known local lobbiest and formaer adviser to Bob Hawke and Rosemary Follett

I used to do Toastmasters and Richard Krege was there but had no idea he believed this gobshite. They’re not all loonies! I’m sure if we all knew he was honing his speaking skills so he could be more of an expert at this, we wouldn’t have helped him!! Excuse my ignorance but how does being an electrical engineer qualify you to be a “sought after” expert on soil samples? I get that an elec engineer would do the radary type stuff that he said he used, but the other stuff? And what about the testimonies of people who said they BURNT the bodies so therefore, of course, there would be no more than ten bodies like that fascist website claims? and what about the testimonies of german soldiers too who said they burnt the bodies?!

Many years ago I was in Burton Hall at ANU

There was a kitchen hand who had a authentic concentration camp tattoo, and I can only encourage people to expose these deniers.

I now study Australian history – and it too has its fair share of deniers from the Sydney Ineitute, Adelaide Institute, and Quadrant magazine.

These deniers I call the Australian barmy army.

Tip-o!

Thats rather cruel to the inhabitants of Antartica isn’t it…

Antisemitism of Pandy’s great-grandfather aside, there is a big difference between antisemitism on its own, and holocaust denial. The former doesn’t imply either madness or refusal of historical evidence.

A man who goes to great lengths in an attempt to provide counter-evidence, coupled with an ‘official’ trip to a country with an antisemitic government on the other hand…

Why do they argue that it’s an automatic death sentence to go to Israel, but not to Iran? I think both countries have their share of instability and insecurity for foreigners, especially Australians. Having your picture in advertisements would help in either country though.

My great grandfather used to whip the Jews from his horse and buggy as he rode past walking Jews: Eastern Europe late 19th century.

I dont have any doubt that people of my ancestors times would have killed the Jews if given half a chance.

barking toad9:42 pm 14 Dec 06

Sometimes there is justifiable homicide

Yes I would agree with you there

holocaust denial is a particularly perverted church I would contend.

On the website it says the holocaust was a fairy tail. It really is bizarre what the human mind can come up with. No more bizarre though then the various fairy tail beliefs of the worlds main stream religions.

Woody Mann-Caruso5:33 pm 14 Dec 06

I just want to make sure it’s as public as possible.

:>

Two of clubs5:12 pm 14 Dec 06

Looking at the toastmasters site, I’d like to know how this demented mind tried to argue for “Australia is a clever country”.
He quite obviously shuns rational thought.

Anyway, I’m glad someone posted this.
That’s one more scumbag to be on the lookout for around town.

I understand the concept behind this piece of white trash, however they have come out of their rock hidey hole a little too soon to be credible.

I still remember talking to people who had their serial numbers tattoo’d onto them.

Their stories were far more credible, why for instance would a couple of million Jews go and tattoo themselves unless it was done by force ?

In a way, society is better off seeing this affront to humanity while there are still resources and the intent to crush it. Another 50 years and they may have found a reasonable amount of support, in the world of today they will not, and we can arm ourselves with appropriate measures to rebut everything they say.

Any time he wants to talk to a veteran about the horrors of war, and look into the eyes of truth talking to him, he should. He would probably change his tune pretty quickly as well…

I agree completely.

I just want to make sure it’s as public as possible.

Personally I fully support the iijit’s decision to act like a loony in public. Better an identifiable loony than a closet loony.
In fact, I support anyone’s right to be a total asshat in public.

Meh – get enough people together in one place and statistically you’re bound to get a few nutters. Canberra’s more than big enough to have its share.

So, there will be a job vacancy for an electrical engineer at Airservices advertised soon????

What a jerk!

Absent Diane3:11 pm 14 Dec 06

yeah seriously what skill is in putting bread into a toaster?!?!

very sorry to generalise but every person i’ve known associated with toastmasters has been a crazy.

Absent Diane3:05 pm 14 Dec 06

I particularly liked the bit insinuating that there really wasn’t an issue with sexual equality in the middle east..

That’s an odd website allright.
What is it with these self-appointed gurus who run ‘the Adelaide Institute’, ‘the Sydney Institute’ etc – have we (yet) got ‘the Canberra Institute’? (says he, rushing off to google…)

Absent Diane2:44 pm 14 Dec 06

what a fuckhead.

I imagine his research would require the delicacy of a monkey wrench to pick apart.

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