Car crash in Gungahlin

cnbragirl 8 February 2011 45

It seems noone who drives along Gungahlin Place in gungahin knows how to give way. This comes from a resident of the street who has near missed numerous cars.

There was an incident today when a small white Hyundai Getz (surpisingly not a P Plater) T-Boned a larger, Toyota of some sort.

Maybe Canberrans should learn how to drive properly as give-ways, and roundabouts around the gungahlin area are absolutely ridiculous.


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Davo111 Davo111 1:26 pm 12 Feb 11

Rawhide Kid Part3 said :

then why not re-test all drivers every 10 years for “safety” reasons?

political backlash.

Honestly, i dont think 80% of people over 40 would be able to pass the practical test. For the reason, the test requires you to “physically” look down every side street as your driving. 3 missed side streets = a fail. And you can’t “look” with your eyes either, has to be a head-check, need to be “seen to be looking”

beejay76 beejay76 12:08 pm 12 Feb 11

amarooresident3 said :

BTW, what makes roundabouts in Gungahlin different from anywhere else?

At the intersection of Gungahlin Place and Anthony Rolfe it’s not a roundabout, but kinda looks like it. I don’t know if this is where the OP was talking about, but it’s a place where I have seen a lot of problems.

The problem in this case is that people use roundabout rules for what is actually an intersection. So, for example, somebody crosses the first part of Anthony Rolfe and is now between the two sections heading westbound on Gungahlin Place. If they think they are in a roundabout, they believe that someone coming up Anthony Rolfe should give way to them (giving way to a vehicle already in a roundabout). But in fact it’s an intersection so the Anthony Rolfe car has right of way.

There’s quite a few of these not-roundabouts in Gungahlin, particularly on Anthony Rolfe.

Rawhide Kid Part3 Rawhide Kid Part3 11:30 am 12 Feb 11

screaming banshee said :

I think its about time we had regular re-testing to ensure people know the ACTUAL road rules not just the ones they think are right and the ones they think that apply to them.

If there is a requirement to have your LPG Tank removed and inspected every 10 years for safety reason, then why not re-test all drivers every 10 years for “safety” reasons?

Ceej1973 Ceej1973 2:49 am 12 Feb 11

luther_bendross said :

Just another link to highlight that you do NOT indicate right when going strainght through a roundabout. (Second page of the .pdf, lowest paragraph.)

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/64479/Road_Rules_2011_Part_C2_v2.pdf

My other bug bear is those stupid FORM ONE LANE markings with little-to-no warning. Poor infrastructure like that gives rise to shitty driving, i.e. by not putting the onus on one driver to give way, you’re really inviting accidents.

+1. I really hate it how drivers dont indicate exiting the roundabout, but when the form one lane comes up straight after the roundabout, they indicate they are merging. Well doh, where else are you gonna go in a form one lane? When I am exiting a 2 laned roundabout from the left lane, I want those drivers in the right lane (also exiting straight ahead) TO INDICATE OFF, so I know I am potentially gonna get side swiped, or have some jerk speed up to get past me b4 the form one lane. Or if they dont indicate off, then I know they are exiting to the right when I glance over my right, b4 the form one lane quickly comes up. Its not hard, really!

Davo111 Davo111 5:06 pm 11 Feb 11

screaming banshee said :

Absolutely it is correct to indicate upon entry and exit….if you are turning.

Think of it like a normal intersection where the only thing different is you indicate left as you leave the ‘intersection’, you don’t constantly indicate right when you are driving through traffic lights and what not.

glad you cleared that up with the second paragraph, because the first sentence is wrong.

Sleaz274 Sleaz274 11:19 am 11 Feb 11

Just to link two threads together…namely the motorcyclist licence testing review.

This is why motorcyclists die or get injured on ACT roads, not how many hours they spend weaving through cones at Sutton (although practice practice practice). A complete lack of basic roadcraft and understanding of the road rules by ignorant car drivers safe in their 2 tonne shell. Failure to give way, failure to indicate correctly, failure to headcheck, failure to allow safe stopping distances, failure to pay attention cos you are too busy playing angry birds on your iphone. While cars have airbags and crumple zones to forgive these things most of the time (except your insurance company) motorbikes do not.

caveat for all those who like to pick apart absolutist statements the other reason is inappropriate cornering speed and instinctive survival reactions causing the rider to destabilise the bike. I’ve become far far more aware of possible dangers on the road (deref!!!) since riding the bike every day and have to watch out and expect car drivers to do all those silly things above, and they do.

*yes ms white hyundia getz in braddon I’m referring to you next time you approach a roundabout at least look (with your eyes) to the right, I don’t care if you still wanna try zooming through directly in front of me but I would appreciate knowing that you at least saw me and made a conscious decision to attempt a collision or at least gave yourself a little fright as I plummeted towards your drivers door)*

screaming banshee screaming banshee 10:32 am 11 Feb 11

sepi said :

To be fair, when the road rules were nationalised, there was a tv ad about roundabouts which stated that it was correct to indicate upon entry to the roundabout and exit.

Absolutely it is correct to indicate upon entry and exit….if you are turning.

Think of it like a normal intersection where the only thing different is you indicate left as you leave the ‘intersection’, you don’t constantly indicate right when you are driving through traffic lights and what not.

Genie Genie 10:23 am 11 Feb 11

I’m confused..

I thought when you were driving straight through a roundabout.. you ignore all other drivers around you and continue driving in a straight line through both lanes in the roundabout… or is that just for Ute drivers and people in White Commodores ?

dvaey dvaey 10:15 am 11 Feb 11

kezzafezza said :

Another is when I drive on the GDE, people know it is a 60 zone but still get pissed off at and abuse me for driving at 60. They all pass me just after Aranda.

Happy enough to be corrected on this, but isnt the GDE 80 from Barton Highway to Glenloch? Maybe this is why people get pissed at you for doing 20km/hr under the limit on a long single-lane road, because they want to drive to the signposted limit, not to the limit you think it should be?

troll-sniffer troll-sniffer 9:18 am 11 Feb 11

Deref said :

Grrrr said :

Dear Canberra drivers: Quit signalling right when you’re going straight through a roundabout!

That’s the law.

Get your facts right. You’re supposed to signal right when you enter a roundabout and left to indicate your exit.

If more people did that there’d be fewer accidents.

There are few things in life more satisfying than seeing a dogmatic poster get his or her come-uppance! Me, I am a dogmatic poster, but at least I normally have a few shreds of credibility inherent in my posts!

sepi sepi 7:05 am 11 Feb 11

To be fair, when the road rules were nationalised, there was a tv ad about roundabouts which stated that it was correct to indicate upon entry to the roundabout and exit. I think this rule was then changed, but no new tv ads were shown. You do often see oldies indicating to enter the roundabout, and I think they are trying to do th right thing.

Time for a new tv explanation of roundabouts I think.

Also lets go back to giving way to the right, instead of whoever gets there first.

Davo111 Davo111 2:13 pm 10 Feb 11

luther_bendross said :

Just another link to highlight that you do NOT indicate right when going straight through a roundabout.

I really hope Deref re-reads this thread, mega sigh.

I also hope Deref understands that if the people to his left are going straight (at a 4 way roundabout), they will see his indication, pull out, and get t-boned by him – and he would be at fault

luther_bendross luther_bendross 1:35 pm 10 Feb 11

Just another link to highlight that you do NOT indicate right when going strainght through a roundabout. (Second page of the .pdf, lowest paragraph.)

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/64479/Road_Rules_2011_Part_C2_v2.pdf

My other bug bear is those stupid FORM ONE LANE markings with little-to-no warning. Poor infrastructure like that gives rise to shitty driving, i.e. by not putting the onus on one driver to give way, you’re really inviting accidents.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 11:36 am 10 Feb 11

Deref said :

Grrrr said :

Dear Canberra drivers: Quit signalling right when you’re going straight through a roundabout!

That’s the law.

Get your facts right. You’re supposed to signal right when you enter a roundabout and left to indicate your exit.

If more people did that there’d be fewer accidents.

Please hand your drivers license in and never use the roads again!

johnboy johnboy 11:07 am 10 Feb 11

People who insist on driving themselves can have passed all the intensive courses.

Considering the costs of car accidents I think you’ll find automation will come on very, very fast when it comes on.

They’ll also potentially remove the need to even have private cars (enthusiasts excepted), just cruising ubiquitous hire pods.

Pay extra if you don’t want to share with others along your route.

triffid triffid 10:58 am 10 Feb 11

johnboy said :

It’s all a bit moot, in not many years you’ll need a specialist licence to turn off the autopilot in cars.

Many, many years off yet I’m afraid, John. While there are cars out there now with systems like RADAR cruise control, they’re not cheap. It will be a bloody long time before your (insert Korean manufacturer of your choice) Chintzbox SL ($12,990-00 drive away) will be thus equipped. Then there’s all the other supporting infrastructure required to make the more complex systems work. Sure, VW have a number of research vehicles that can learn a race track and hammer around it sans driver pretty well, but they still have to be ‘taught’ and are incapable of negotiating roads unaided at first sight, or take to the track in ‘traffic’. Then there are issues of interoperability between systems. Which leads to the setting of global standards and blah blah blah.

All the research I’ve done (as part of my work role) and my observations from being a life-long industry observer tells me that we’ll more likely have hundreds of thousands of electric cars on our roads (and that isn’t very likely at all) long before the ‘auto pilot’, sci-fi vision of things automotive materialise in any significant numbers. Besides . . . there will always be plenty of folk like me for whom the enjoyment of driving lies in the practice of it as an advanced skill. We’re not very good passengers.

johnboy johnboy 9:46 am 10 Feb 11

It’s all a bit moot, in not many years you’ll need a specialist licence to turn off the autopilot in cars.

triffid triffid 9:40 am 10 Feb 11

Ceej1973 said :

I guess that last comment was sarcasm. Actually, having lived there and being married to a German, I can advise that they (sic) can only obtain a licence through learning with an instructor of a driving school. That means ZERO bad habits from friends, parents, P plate peers, which seems to be obvious in Oz. However, the fact doesnt account for selfishness and stupidity where-ever in the world.

No, ceej, that’s not sarcasm from me (for once). That’s an expression of a genuine desire. I, too, have done more than a few miles in Germany, Austria, Belgium etc etc. By virtue of a raft of other reasons and experiences I am very aware of the mechanisms by which people acquire a licence in those parts of the world. My particular favourite is the (I think German) requirement to pass an emergency brake procedure test from 200 km/hr.

The roads here would be much, much safer if everyone had to spend their three years on Ps in company with being a member of a CAMS affiliated car club, being only able to progress to an ‘open’ after having successfully competed in at least three each of club-level events on gravel, tarmac, skidpan and circuit (and have a log book signed verifying as much by an authorised person at the time of their re-test to attain said ‘open’). That would be not too disimiliar to the mechanism in Finland.

Ceej1973 Ceej1973 12:10 am 10 Feb 11

Special G said :

It’s not as bad as Germany where I lived half the cars had drivers side mirrors missing from knocking them off at high speed passing cars the other way on narrow streets.

(sigh) Oh how I dream of a Canberra in which all users of the road network are possessed of such skill and precision behind the wheel. Of course, people are actually taught to drive over there, aren’t they.

I guess that last comment was sarcasm. Actually, having lived there and being married to a German, I can advise that they (sic) can only obtain a licence through learning with an instructor of a driving school. That means ZERO bad habits from friends, parents, P plate peers, which seems to be obvious in Oz. However, the fact doesnt account for selfishness and stupidity where-ever in the world.

jayskette jayskette 8:59 pm 09 Feb 11

Deref said :

Grrrr said :

Dear Canberra drivers: Quit signalling right when you’re going straight through a roundabout!

That’s the law.

Get your facts right. You’re supposed to signal right when you enter a roundabout and left to indicate your exit.

If more people did that there’d be fewer accidents.

No, you are not meant to signal ANYTHING as you enter a roundabout if you are going straight ahead. omg.

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