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Carbon tax – extra ACT hit

By I-filed 5 May 2012 150

Are different arms & factions of the feds talking to each other? One lot who weighed up the carbon tax politics clearly felt that we’re a safe enough locality to add li’l ACTEW to the Clean Energy “dirty list”. Can it be a coincidence that this will hit supposed safe-Labor-seat voters in the guts?

Confusingly, another arm of the gubmint apparently decided we were wavering vote-wise and in need of pork-barrelling, hence the Manuka Oval lights announcement the other day.

Here’s the regulator’s punishment list.

So, fellow average-income-earners-not-getting-any-compensation, get set for extra nasties and carbon tax cost imposition way beyond the official calculator’s risible “$8 a week”.

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bundygal 9:38 am 20 Jun 12

What Mr Reason says appears to be logical. But what most people don’t realise is that the tax is not a simple $23 per tonne. The thing most people don’t realise is that everything has a “Global Warming Potential” factored into it e.g. R134a gas which is used in car air conditioning systems has a GWP of 1,300 – therefore the carbon price is actually 23.00 x 1,300 = 29,900. Divide that by 1000 (to get price per kg) & you get $29.90 per kg!!! not a simple $23 per tonne. There’s lots of things the Government doesn’t want you to know.

HenryBG 3:42 pm 20 May 12

I-filed said :

As you well know, I referred to the column in the Australian as frequently quoting Flannery’s own words. Strewth column has never been taken to task for misquoting Flannery.

In that case, it is logical to assume that the Strewth column never said what you said it said.

You could always give us a direct quote of their quote of Tim Flannery so we could judge for ourselves….

HenryBG 3:36 pm 20 May 12

I-filed said :

HenryBG said :

https://www.ipcc-wg1.unibe.ch/

IPCC has in fact been roundly discredited for using jumped-up and inadequate sources. And that’s without even going into the faked-up climate science scandal that IPCC members were embroiled in!

The IPCC *has* been slimed by places like “the Strewth column in The Australian”, which appears to be the sole source for your beliefs about climate science.

Ironic that you criticise the IPCC’s sources without naming them, based on some crap you’ve read in the gossip column of a right-wing rag.

As for this “faked-up science scandal” – is this yet another assertion you will be unable to back up with any details, facts, references?

You could always read the link I’ve provided and point out the exact bits that are wrong. As far as I am aware the only wrongness it contained rested in the underestimations is includes – the AR5 version of this document will be far worse.

I-filed 1:24 pm 20 May 12

HenryBG said :

https://www.ipcc-wg1.unibe.ch/

IPCC has in fact been roundly discredited for using jumped-up and inadequate sources. And that’s without even going into the faked-up climate science scandal that IPCC members were embroiled in!

I-filed 1:21 pm 20 May 12

HenryBG said :

Diggety said :

In fact, you’ve just admitted you get your knowledge of Climate Change from “the Strewth column in The Australian”.
I wonder at what point you’re gong to twig that The Australian has been taking gullible people like you for a ride?

You are so very dishonest HenryBG; what makes you think Rioters are dumb enough to fall for your false-premise nonsense? Perhaps the “uber high income” you keep boasting about is “earned” through tax dodges or something like that. As you well know, I referred to the column in the Australian as frequently quoting Flannery’s own words. Strewth column has never been taken to task for misquoting Flannery. As he is a litigious little chap, Flannery would have sued the Australian if he had ever been misquoted.

HenryBG 1:01 pm 20 May 12

HenryBG said :

In fact, you’ve just admitted you get your knowledge of Climate Change from “the Strewth column in The Australian”.
I wonder at what point you’re gong to twig that The Australian has been taking gullible people like you for a ride?

I forgot: if you want to know what is going on with climate change, *this* is what you should read:
https://www.ipcc-wg1.unibe.ch/

Not columns in The Australian or blogs by uni drop-outs, which are designed to mislead you.

This is a good collection of points debunking the kind if ignorant rubbish that Andrew Bolt and Alan Jones choose to spread:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

HenryBG 12:39 pm 20 May 12

Diggety said :

Like I said before, read Flannery’s book: The Weather Makers: The History and Future Impact of Climate Change

And yet….you still can’t manage to simply quote what it is that he said that is wrong.

I-filed said :

Henry BG, Flannery went on the record for years saying things like our children will never see rain.

And yet…. you seem to be having awful trouble finding any hint of “the record” actually existing.

In fact, you’ve just admitted you get your knowledge of Climate Change from “the Strewth column in The Australian”.
I wonder at what point you’re gong to twig that The Australian has been taking gullible people like you for a ride?

I-filed 12:15 pm 20 May 12

Henry BG, Flannery went on the record for years saying things like our children will never see rain. The Strewth column in The Australian has been having fun with his quotes ever since the Queensland floods. They have quoted him dozens of times – making outlandish Hanrahan claims with no equivocation whatsoever. Flannery simply won’t respond when challenged – he sticks to interviews with the converted on Radio National, where he can get away with describing himself as a “climate scientist”.

Diggety 11:15 am 20 May 12

@ HenrgyBG: you’re still talking about Flannery quotes from the Murdoch media, or quotes people have said here (remember many of don’t even read The Australian, etc.)

Like I said before, read Flannery’s book: The Weather Makers: The History and Future Impact of Climate Change

You say you are privvy to climate change science, read both and see how they compare.

Australian’s don’t need embellised scary bed time stories, they need the best currently available climate science communicated consicely and correctly. Flannery’s methods are setting back climate action, which is contrary to his very job description.

HenryBG 7:42 pm 18 May 12

davo101 said :

But by far the most dangerous trend is the decline in the flow of Australian rivers: it has fallen by around 70 per cent in recent decades, so dams no longer fill even when it does rain. Growing evidence suggests that hotter soils, caused directly by global warming, have increased evaporation and transpiration and that the change is permanent. I believe the first thing Australians need to do is to stop worrying about “the drought” – which is transient – and start talking about the new climate. [Emphasis added]

Thanks for clearing that up.

So, just to be precise, when you agreed with the idiot who said that Flannery said, “we would never have rain again and dams would never fill”, you were wrong, just as they were wrong, because Flannery obviously didn’t say what you have been pretending he said.

It’s nice to see you admit you were wrong.

Not many cranky tinfoil-hatted pensioners are big enough to admit it the way you have. Well done.

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