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Catholics fight for the right to knock down their own church

By johnboy - 13 July 2011 17

The ABC brings word of extreme unhappiness in the Catholic Archdiocese of Canberra and Goulburn after their Braddon church of St Patricks was hit by a heritage listing which will stop it being knocked down and turned into lucrative apartments.

Archbishop Mark Coleridge says the move throws into doubt plans for a $36 million redevelopment of St Christopher’s Cathedral in Manuka.

He says the heritage listing could reduce returns on a land deal the Church is doing with the ACT Government on the Braddon property, and that would affect the cathedral expansion.

“If that decision stands it runs the risk of compromising the return, the return on that entire property, up to 30 per cent,” he said.

“If that is true then that is a serious blow to our plans at Manuka. We are concerned particularly with the centenary coming up to enhance the city, which God knows needs enhancement.”

When an Archbishop uses “God knows” it takes on a whole new meaning.

The church will be appealing the decision.

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Catholics fight for the right to knock down their own church
LSWCHP 10:15 pm 13 Jul 11

Troll-sniffer and I obviously have similar feelings about the catholic church.

Personally, I’d be quite happy to participate in knocking down every church in the country. They are bad places, operating in the service of a very bad organisation.

2604 8:34 pm 13 Jul 11

Sleaz274 said :

That’ll knock your 30% return on the head. I could make 30% returns every week if it wasn’t for the tax man.

Sure you could, big man.

troll-sniffer 8:33 pm 13 Jul 11

Someone needs to rein in this out of control heritage mob… I mean I’m not one to show sympathy to a corrupt organisation like the catholic church, but seriously, when you start declaring nondescript utilitarian brick buildings that have come to end of their natural lives as somehow significant enough to halt the evolution and rejuvenation of a city, it’s time to call enough is enough. If the heritage bleaters think it’s so fantastic, here’s a concept, buy it and move it somewhere where you can kiss and stroke it to your heart’s content, in the meantime the rest of us would rather have a dynamic city to live in.

Thumper 7:54 pm 13 Jul 11

The Statement of Significance reads thus:

St Patrick’s Church is important in representing a distinctive function and tradition of a
religious community in Canberra, for some 75 years. The location of a school from 1935 until
approximately 1980 (a Catholic School from 1935-1973, formerly St Patrick’s School, then St
Mary’s School-Our Lady of Mercy, and then the School Without Walls), the building has also
been a worship centre, or church, from 1935 to the present. It provides evidence of changes
to these functions and traditional uses—some of which are no longer practised in the same
way, some of which have disappeared. The history of this place demonstrates those changes
over time: changes to practices of a religious group formed in the newly established capital,
with strong community ties being forged by newcomers through the support and focus
provided by their church and school. During the first twenty years of its life, when St Patrick’s
was the only Catholic school and church in North Canberra, religion was an important aspect
of cultural self-identification. Since that time, changes at this school and church building
reflect both shifts in demography in Canberra’s growth and in liturgy—such as the closing of
the Catholic primary school in 1973 and Mass held by migrant groups in their own ethnic
languages. These changes, and the physical changes in the Civic area, are seen in the parish
and Archdiocese responses, including the diversification of the Church’s use in this space.
Saint Patrick’s Church has special associations with the history of Canberra, and with its
educational and religious development, particularly in regard to church and community
responses to the provision of education. Saint Patrick’s Church is strongly associated with the
Roman Catholic Church, and with the role that the Church took in forging new communities
during the growth of the national capital. This was achieved by providing the place and space
to facilitate community connections, which was particularly important for those who came to
live and work in Canberra without family or community ties.

The Frots 5:15 pm 13 Jul 11

artuoui said :

The Frots said :

troll-sniffer said :

Can’t they just get the boss to send down a bolt of lightning and render the heritage listing irrelevant? Or is the whole religion based on a con, and in fact they cannot expect divine help, even when it’s sorely needed to prop up a failing business model?

He’s a bit busy at the moment what with the Carbon Tax stuff and all.

Is He one of the 500 top polluters?

The Greens will probably think so – if they can get some bucks out of him…………that be HYMN shouldn’t it?!

Sleaz274 3:34 pm 13 Jul 11

As this is obviously a financial and business decision then it’s about time someone *cough religions cough* started paying TAX.

That’ll knock your 30% return on the head. I could make 30% returns every week if it wasn’t for the tax man.

Spectra 2:15 pm 13 Jul 11

troll-sniffer said :

Can’t they just get the boss to send down a bolt of lightning and render the heritage listing irrelevant?

God helps those who help themselves. Break out the petrol and matches.

The Frots 1:21 pm 13 Jul 11

troll-sniffer said :

Can’t they just get the boss to send down a bolt of lightning and render the heritage listing irrelevant? Or is the whole religion based on a con, and in fact they cannot expect divine help, even when it’s sorely needed to prop up a failing business model?

………….perhaps taking the Dogma for a walk……………….?

artuoui 1:14 pm 13 Jul 11

The Frots said :

troll-sniffer said :

Can’t they just get the boss to send down a bolt of lightning and render the heritage listing irrelevant? Or is the whole religion based on a con, and in fact they cannot expect divine help, even when it’s sorely needed to prop up a failing business model?

He’s a bit busy at the moment what with the Carbon Tax stuff and all.

Is He one of the 500 top polluters?

The Frots 12:08 pm 13 Jul 11

troll-sniffer said :

Can’t they just get the boss to send down a bolt of lightning and render the heritage listing irrelevant? Or is the whole religion based on a con, and in fact they cannot expect divine help, even when it’s sorely needed to prop up a failing business model?

He’s a bit busy at the moment what with the Carbon Tax stuff and all.

troll-sniffer 11:09 am 13 Jul 11

Can’t they just get the boss to send down a bolt of lightning and render the heritage listing irrelevant? Or is the whole religion based on a con, and in fact they cannot expect divine help, even when it’s sorely needed to prop up a failing business model?

ma7trlb 10:51 am 13 Jul 11

…should have sold the ACT Government the hospital when you had the chance…

what_the 10:35 am 13 Jul 11

God knows the church needs to make as much financial returns as possible, because the Catholic Church is clearly short of cash…

The Frots 10:31 am 13 Jul 11

Holden Caulfield said :

“When and Archbishop uses “God knows” it takes on a whole new meaning.”

Haha.

LOL for that!!

Holden Caulfield 10:07 am 13 Jul 11

“When and Archbishop uses “God knows” it takes on a whole new meaning.”

Haha.

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