8 July 2010

Certificate IV in Training and Assessment in Canberra

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My workplace has asked that I get my Certificate IV in Training and Assessment. I’ve started to do some research, and have literally found dozens of programs that offer this program, which all claim to be the best.

I’d preferably like to do a combination of face to face and distance learning, although I’d also be open to only distance learning.

Any advice from someone who’s taken this course would be greatly appreciated.

My main concerns are obviously getting as much education out of it as possible, and that the instituion is well-respected.

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Mantramentor1:16 pm 14 Jul 10

It would be appropriate to look into the new Qualification before committing to the TAA40104 Cert IV in Training & Assessment as the new Course TAE40110 Certificate IV in Training & Assessment has already been endorsed and will be available next Month.

Mantra Training & Development will be delivering this in August in a flexible manner both in the classroom and self paced. $2850.00 with a payment plan.

We have many testimonials if you need to hear from previous students.

Thanks for all the great advice! A lot of my coworkers have done the course at CIT but say that if you miss one of the classes it’s really hard to make up. The classes are all day every Friday, so it would mean that I’d have to completely re-do my work schedule.

I really want to do this Certificate and my workplace is willing to pay, so I guess I’ll just have to make some sacrifices.

I’m going to check into the other programs listed here as well, hopefully I can find something that will work well for me.

neanderthalsis12:19 pm 08 Jul 10

Duckrage said :

The TAAIV is quite different to what it looked like ten years ago (or even five years ago), and rumour has it that it’s in the process of being refreshed again (training packages are generally reviewed for relevance by industry every 5 or 6 years).

It has indeed, the new Training Package, TAE10, has just been endorsed and will commence implementation early next year. It has a much greater rigour in the actual development and delivery of training components of the qualification. I was fairly heavily involved with the development of the new Cert IV qual.

Some dodgy providers actually deliver the current TAA qual without having students prepare and deliver a training session and certainly do not prepare the student well for employment as a trainer.

Mathman, the website you’re thinking of is the National training Information Service (www.ntis.gov.au) an appalingly difficult website to navigate and was once the bane of my existence.

I have tried to do mine a number of times. First I went to Sydney, then I tried distance learning. Nothing seems to have spurred me on enough to finish. Recently some colleagues in the office used Wisdon training who are out at Fairbairn. Apparently very good – and absolutely GREAT hot food at lunch time!! And lets face it, that’s why we go to courses! It takes a few months but worth it – I have used them before and they are a well know Canberra organisation.

I’m doing my Cert IV in TAA online through Fortress Learning – $1050 if you pay up front – monthly payment option is available. Its a self paced course so you do it as you have the time; you just need to complete it within 12 months. So far I am impressed with the organisation and the training materials.

Note that the TAA is changing but the new course will be equivalent to the current one and, depending on when you finish, you will be awarded the new one.

Just make sure that the organisation you choose is a registered training organisation. You can check their registration on the appropriate government website (whose name escapes me now).

Keep in mind that the IBSA have decided that the TAA was too straightforward, and they have developed a new training package which was originally called TED10 but was changed to TAE10 before being released to ensure that employers stay confused. I work on the periphery of the industry and can’t make head nor tail of any of this nonsense, but there is some “information” here.

The TAAIV is quite different to what it looked like ten years ago (or even five years ago), and rumour has it that it’s in the process of being refreshed again (training packages are generally reviewed for relevance by industry every 5 or 6 years).

The course itself focuses mostly on understanding the need to file paperwork, and enough of it. The course will teach you the basics of how to design a course, but it doesn’t actually teach you to ‘teach’ a course. There are a lot of people out there who believe that it does, and generally these are the ones who present the most dull (or most kiddy-esque) courses.

As Woody says, it entirely depends on your instructor as to how much you’re going to learn. It is a worthwhile qual to have, but its very important to remember that it will teach you how to plan and how to file, but it won’t actually deal with standing in front of a class and delivering content.

Also, if it is possible to study through attending classes, I would encourage that, as you’ll get a lot more out of it than you would by studying by correspondence.

The CIT Cert IV in TAA is only offered through the CIT business entity – CIT Solutions – at a cost of about $3000. You will not find this course offered through the regular CIT offerings.

If you work at the CIT as a teacher or a general staff member, it is offered in-house over a semester.

If you can afford it, contact CIT Solutions, or if you happen to work at CIT in any capacity, contact the Teacher Education Excellence Centre at Southside campus.

Woody Mann-Caruso9:34 am 08 Jul 10

Did mine in the mid-90s, but a glance at the accredited modules shows it’s much the same.

I don’t think you’ll be able to do all of it by distance learning because the course requires direct assessment of you delivering training and conducting assessments.

The requirements of the Training and Assessment Training Package (TAA04) don’t leave a lot of wiggle room to vary the course material, so you’ll see the same curriculum wherever you go. Ultimately it’ll come down to your instructor – do you like them, and does their teaching style suit your learning style? Hard to know this until you get into the classroom. I did mine at Quest (hmm, they’re still around), and had a great instructor, but I know somebody else who went to Quest and had a lousy intructor (lousy to them, anyway).

CIT probably has a bit of a better ring to it than some private company renting floor space in a random high rise. Details of their Cert IV are here.

Good luck!

neanderthalsis9:24 am 08 Jul 10

I did my TAA course a great many years ago, but I have spent the bulk of my working life in the Vocational Education and Training sector, now working in the magical and mysterious world of VET policy.

Unfortunately there are a number of less than reputable providers offering Cert IV TAA. Generally speaking, you should avoid any that offer the course over one or two weekends.

Is your work willing to give you time off to go to classes and undertake work based projects?

CIT or the Australian Institute of Managment (AIM) are probably two of the more reputable providers, CIT is cheaper, but much less flexible in delivery options.

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