23 March 2013

Child porn accused - "but my business will fail without me!"

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This is an interesting decision.

I know we are all about innocence until proven guilty but they found pictures of this guy with his daughter, presumably sufficiently dodgy as to warrant a mention. And the reason for bail is that his business will fail if he isn’t released.

Mr Lawton said the defendant had co-operated fully with authorities, and would be foolish to attempt to reoffend while he was under such intense scrutiny.

“If the man is silly enough to use the internet for anything other than work purposes, he can expect to have the AFP knocking on his door within minutes,” he said.

The court heard his IT business would fail without his skills and knowledge, or if he was banned completely from using the internet,

Magistrate Peter Morrison released the man on bail on strict conditions, including that he not contact his daughters or his wife.

He must report details of all his internet use to the AFP and notify of any plans to go interstate.

He is not allowed to be in the presence of any children without an adult.

Earlier this week, the man was refused bail over fears he may interfere with evidence. At that stage, authorities were still attempting to access a Hushmail email account, a secure and heavily encrypted service based in Canada.

Story via Canberra Times.

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gooterz said :

Welcome to 2013. Where having a picture of an event counts much worse than the event itself.

But lets face it, if word gets around that he’s a deviant his business is probably gone anyway, innocent or not.

funnily enough, several businesses have found that they are now accused of being the place this bloke works at. there are 8 or 9 IT companies based in Isaacs, and until this whole sorry mess is sorted we are all being tarred with the same brush.

I feel sorry for the employees of his company – after all, they have done nothing to deserve any backlash, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them leave to save their own reputations…

monostereo said :

Spectra said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

No. Eff you scumbag. You should not even get bail, let alone get to worry about your buisness.

Hey, you’re right! Hell, why even bother with a court system? We’ll just blindly take the police’s word for everything. It’s not like they’ve ever lied or made mistakes.
If he’s done what is claimed, let him rot in jail – I’ll be first in line to spit on him. But, crazy as it sounds, I think he should probably have a chance to defend himself before having his life ruined any more than it already has been.

In this reasoning drunk drivers should be allowed back behind the wheel after they get caught DUI until they’re proven guilty, and people who shoot others should have access to their guns until proven guilty, right?

The DUI example is exactly what happens.

You front up to magistrate’s court and they set a court date. Up until that court date you still have your full license. They only take it away after/if you are proven guilty at that court date.

Mike Crowther said :

“If the man is silly enough to use the internet for anything other than work purposes, he can expect to have the AFP knocking on his door within minutes,” he said.

Because the cops have the resources to monitor this blokes internet 24/7….

“Within minutes”???

Thats got to be a defence lawyer speaking..

You mean there isn’t someone in the government whose job it is to monitor my internet usage?

I feel strangely let down that my old university essay on the Islamic Resistance Movement didn’t raise at least some level of excitment in a grey old building somewhere underground in Canberra.

joingler said :

Take necessary precautions while the matter is before the courts but treat him as innocent until it is proven guilty (assuming it is). Every person has a right to defend themselves against any crime. If he is innocent it is best to keep his life on track as much as possible.If he is guilty then at least his business has had time to train existing staff up on how to do the defendents job

Our legal system is predicated on guilt being proved or not proved. Innocence doesn’t even come in to it.

Plenty of people get away with things, not because they didn’t do them, but because the prosecution failed to prove beyond resonable doubt that they did.

Spectra said :

weeziepops said :

Spectra, the right/opportunity to defend himself is one thing but bail for this and for the reason given seems like one in the eye to his victims.

Your whole point (specifically the existence of victims) is predicated on his guilt. The point of bail is that guilt has not actually been established.

Stop talking sense. Remember this is RiotAct. A forum for tales full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Mike Crowther8:58 pm 24 Mar 13

“If the man is silly enough to use the internet for anything other than work purposes, he can expect to have the AFP knocking on his door within minutes,” he said.

Because the cops have the resources to monitor this blokes internet 24/7….

“Within minutes”??? Thats got to be a defence lawyer speaking..

Joingler, usually I would agree with your point. They have pictures of him with his daughter. I am prepared to bet they aren’t harmless holiday snaps.

weeziepops said :

Spectra, the right/opportunity to defend himself is one thing but bail for this and for the reason given seems like one in the eye to his victims.

I actually agree with Spectra.

Take necessary precautions while the matter is before the courts but treat him as innocent until it is proven guilty (assuming it is). Every person has a right to defend themselves against any crime. If he is innocent it is best to keep his life on track as much as possible.If he is guilty then at least his business has had time to train existing staff up on how to do the defendents job

weeziepops said :

Spectra, the right/opportunity to defend himself is one thing but bail for this and for the reason given seems like one in the eye to his victims.

Your whole point (specifically the existence of victims) is predicated on his guilt. The point of bail is that guilt has not actually been established.

Spectra said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

No. Eff you scumbag. You should not even get bail, let alone get to worry about your buisness.

Hey, you’re right! Hell, why even bother with a court system? We’ll just blindly take the police’s word for everything. It’s not like they’ve ever lied or made mistakes.
If he’s done what is claimed, let him rot in jail – I’ll be first in line to spit on him. But, crazy as it sounds, I think he should probably have a chance to defend himself before having his life ruined any more than it already has been.

In this reasoning drunk drivers should be allowed back behind the wheel after they get caught DUI until they’re proven guilty, and people who shoot others should have access to their guns until proven guilty, right?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd3:33 pm 24 Mar 13

Spectra said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

No. Eff you scumbag. You should not even get bail, let alone get to worry about your buisness.

Hey, you’re right! Hell, why even bother with a court system? We’ll just blindly take the police’s word for everything. It’s not like they’ve ever lied or made mistakes.
If he’s done what is claimed, let him rot in jail – I’ll be first in line to spit on him. But, crazy as it sounds, I think he should probably have a chance to defend himself before having his life ruined any more than it already has been.

I’m not part of tooks rah rah squad by any means, but I’d bet my house that the coppers are not into shopping pedophilia pictures.

Spectra, the right/opportunity to defend himself is one thing but bail for this and for the reason given seems like one in the eye to his victims.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

No. Eff you scumbag. You should not even get bail, let alone get to worry about your buisness.

Hey, you’re right! Hell, why even bother with a court system? We’ll just blindly take the police’s word for everything. It’s not like they’ve ever lied or made mistakes.
If he’s done what is claimed, let him rot in jail – I’ll be first in line to spit on him. But, crazy as it sounds, I think he should probably have a chance to defend himself before having his life ruined any more than it already has been.

c_c™ said :

“He must report details of all his internet use to the AFP”

So law enforcement is working on the honour system now is it?

Surely the AFP can tap his internet account and monitor it themselves?

“He must report details of all his internet use to the AFP”

So law enforcement is working on the honour system now is it?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd11:18 pm 23 Mar 13

No. Eff you scumbag. You should not even get bail, let alone get to worry about your buisness.

Welcome to 2013. Where having a picture of an event counts much worse than the event itself.

But lets face it, if word gets around that he’s a deviant his business is probably gone anyway, innocent or not.

Good old Hushmail, commonly used by crooks of all sorts. It is quite common for law enforcement folk to target users of Hushmail and similar encrypted email services, to see what they are up to.

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