Children neglected

Special G 26 June 2008 92

Reports of a woman neglecting her 4 children in an Ainslie residence have her facing Court thismorning. Details are provided by ACT Police media here, the Canberra Times here and News.com here.

ACT Police attended the residence re reports she had breached a protection order and found the children living in squalor.

Reports state ACT care and protection attempted to remove the children back in 2005 and were denied by the Courts. They had since been checking in on them. The Crimes also reports of a simliar incident in SA.

One wonders if the incident of the twins dying in QLD will prompt the Courts to take action sooner in relation to neglect of small children.

Where is the best place for children as parents are deemed the best option although in severly dysfunctional households this is clearly not in the best interests of the child and foster care has a bad rep aswell. discuss


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peterh peterh 3:17 pm 30 Jun 08

Whatsup said :

If anyone decides to have a child just for the cash of the baby bonus they should only fall for this mistake once. It will be toughest money they will ever earn. Those suffering from some kind of mental illness / addiction might make that choice again due to their condition.

Its easy to blame the baby bonus as it is a political soft target. Finding solutions to address mental illness and addictions should be a politically funded thing however the stigma that goes with these subjects makes them an unpopular cause. Lets see the governments take on fixing the underlying issues, not just the higher profile resulting problems.

The problem is that they can’t get an accord across the states. It spiraled out of control after the whole safe injection rooms debacle –

don’t get me wrong, I was opposed to it, not for the reasons of location, but that there has to be a better way to assist these addicts, rather than provide taxpayer funded drugs. Free sharps and drugs aren’t helping them, it is hindering them. (and these drugs aren’t legal, anyway) (yet)

The injecting rooms raised issues of crime, fear, uncertainty and doubt to the community’s perspective.

what the fed and state govts have to do is work out a way to provide assistance that isn’t an impact on the community.

Once they can do that, then we can look at the addressing of many social ills, drugs being one.

My wife reckons that they could look at smoking and perhaps they could cure me of my tobacco habit by banning it. No Tobacco. ever. If you can’t buy it, you can’t smoke.

this is pretty radical, as the old saying goes, how do you feed the hungry world?
give them food. (not aid, weapons, democracy etc)

Until then, kids will be neglected, or worse.

Politicians need to stop bickering across party lines, and open up for a bi-partisan discussion and implementation strategy that ensures that whoever is in power will be able to continue the work, not score points against the former government.

I must be dreaming….

Whatsup Whatsup 12:50 pm 30 Jun 08

If anyone decides to have a child just for the cash of the baby bonus they should only fall for this mistake once. It will be toughest money they will ever earn. Those suffering from some kind of mental illness / addiction might make that choice again due to their condition.

Its easy to blame the baby bonus as it is a political soft target. Finding solutions to address mental illness and addictions should be a politically funded thing however the stigma that goes with these subjects makes them an unpopular cause. Lets see the governments take on fixing the underlying issues, not just the higher profile resulting problems.

peterh peterh 11:10 am 30 Jun 08

BerraBoy68 said :

neanderthalsis said :

jessieduck said :

who can’t get an abortion for health reasons?

Men…

Don’t you victimise me, it’s my right to have children if I want! I’ll even get a box for the fetus to gestate in. (with Apologies to Monty Python)

what’s the fetus going to gestate in, reg?

a box?

relle relle 9:50 am 30 Jun 08

This is a very very sad situation and one that seems to be on the rise. Those poor innocent children, i hope that things do work out for them in the long run.

fabforty fabforty 7:09 pm 29 Jun 08

Deadmandrinking said :

Yeah, I’m no medical expert. Since when was the Riot-Act a place for experts?

I’m against child neglect too. That’s why I suggested some control over what the baby bonus can be spent on should be executed (and that’s for all parents).

I agree Deadman. I believe though that the Department overseeing baby bonuses is finally seeing the light and changing the one off 5K payment to either part payments or vouchers. If anyone knows the details I would like to learn more.

I think the idea of the baby bonus was good in theory. Thing is, like Centrelink support, there will always be instances when the wrong people use it for the wrong reasons.

Also, the reason why so many children are left with their parents when they probably shouldn’t is that there is bloody well nowhere to put them once they are removed. They have to go to someone’s home somewhere and, of course, its best for siblings to be kept together. Canberra desperately needs more suitable foster parents.

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 5:02 pm 29 Jun 08

and, sorry to double-post, but ‘how to contribute to a conversation and how to not make comments when you have f-k-all to say 101? is down the hall, Woody.

Fine – here’s a contribution for you. Perhaps all you armchair social policy experts would care to point to some data – any data – that links the payment of the baby bonus with an increase in teen pregnancies, pregancies to unfit parents (good luck defining that one), or child abuse. As you’re all obviously too lazy or stupid (or both – let’s hope none of you have kids) to use Google, and as I’m away from my library at work:

The teenage fertility rate (the number of livebirths per 1,000 female population) in Australia in 2002 was 17.1 per 1,000. This is the lowest since 1921, following a peak of 55.5 per 1,000 in 1971. Most states and territories have low levels of fertility among teenage women, with the Australian Capital Territory and Victoria having the lowest rates (both 11.2 per 1,000 women). Teenage mothers make up only one per cent of all single mothers in Australia. Teenage abortion rates have been steadily declining since 1971, long before the introduction of the baby bonus.

How about some real, live child abuse stats – something different from the knee-jerk wailing going on here? Go and looks for stats for the states and territories – here’s a link for Queensland, and another for Victoria – and you’ll notice that there’s no pattern pre- or -post baby bonus whatsoever. If you want to forget everything you ever learned about statistics, you could claim that child abuse in Queensland has rapidly declined since the intro of the bonus, from 14.1 cases / 1000 of substantiated abuse in 2004 to just 7.6 in 2006. The Victorian data shows the true case – there’s no pattern to it at all. Notifications are up slightly (possibly because it’s more present in professionals’ minds), but substantiations go up and down all the time, and have done before the baby bonus.

Google, people – takes two seconds, stops you looking like hysterical tools. Heaven help you actually call a responsible department or read an annual report or research paper and get some facts from primary sources.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 1:58 pm 29 Jun 08

If we were serious about encouraging responsible people who can take care of themselves to have kids, we would make any ‘baby bonus’ style financial benefit a tax deduction to be shared between the parents, provided they live in the same home. That way, people who earn average and above incomes would be more motivated to procreate, and bogan teens wouldn’t see any benefits.

Probably not a popular view, and no doubt some will tear holes in it, but I think handing out several thousand bucks to push out a kid is a fundamentally bad idea.

ant ant 12:54 pm 29 Jun 08

I think this baby bonus has led to some unfortunate results, which we’re now seeing in a myriad of ways. There’s a lot of public feeling out there about the bonus.

But why is the taxpayer paying a baby bonus, or the various other payments? There seems to be a view that a persons income or lifestyle shouldn’t be affected by having a child. why not? It’s a big change to a person’s lifestyle, and yes, it is expensive. Many such choices cost money, and time.

We are lucky enough to live in a country where having a child is always a choice: no one can be forced to have them, or to not have them. But having made the choice, expecting taxpayer money for it is rather odd.

I’m concerned that real welfare is in danger of being lumped together with lifestyle support “middle-class welfare”. We have a very good welfare system for those who really do need it. Thsoe who are on the brink of ruin and destitution. The rising public disgust with the more recent spooning of taxpayers’ money to people who expect the money based on their wants, rather than their needs, could spill over into all forms of welfare and future governments could feel pressured to limit all welfare.

I-filed I-filed 9:07 pm 27 Jun 08

The neighbour had to DRIVE the kids to school? The local schools – including the Catholic ones – are five or ten minutes walk away! Were these kids at private schools?

BerraBoy68 BerraBoy68 8:25 pm 27 Jun 08

neanderthalsis said :

jessieduck said :

who can’t get an abortion for health reasons?

Men…

Don’t you victimise me, it’s my right to have children if I want! I’ll even get a box for the fetus to gestate in. (with Apologies to Monty Python)

Special G Special G 7:35 pm 27 Jun 08

Update on the canberra times here – http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/news/local/news/general/rotting-ruins-of-a-family-in-free-fall/798869.aspx – there is also a link to a slideshow of pictures. Sunrise covered this quickly in the morning as well.

I think Katy Gallaghers portfolio is coming under a bit of scrutiny here. Can’t be happy about that in an election year. Mind you I haven’t seen any of the other potential candidates/parties jumping all over this one yet. poor drills.

Mr Evil Mr Evil 2:08 pm 27 Jun 08

V8-Prius said :

I’m sure Angelina Jolie would be happy to add the litle kiddies as fashion accessories to her contrived little Hollywood orphanage.

So long as she could have her name displayed in 6ft high neon letters outside the house in Ainslie – just so everyone could see how wonderful she is.

V8-Prius V8-Prius 2:01 pm 27 Jun 08

I’m sure Angelina Jolie would be happy to add the litle kiddies as fashion accessories to her contrived little Hollywood orphanage.

neanderthalsis neanderthalsis 1:46 pm 27 Jun 08

jessieduck said :

who can’t get an abortion for health reasons?

Men…

peterh peterh 12:52 pm 27 Jun 08

Absent Diane said :

“Why shouldn’t they get at least a bit of help from the government?”

I didn’t say they shouldn’t i don’t think they should get a baby bonus though.

The other thing that shits me is that people get 5K for essentially having shag… just about anyone can do that. just because you have the ability to procreate and do, doesn’t make you special. it makes you normal.

wait a sec, my wife and i went through IVF. we couldn’t “just have a shag”. The 5k baby bonus was gone long before the idea to spend it on electrical goods, for child 1, we kitted out the nursery with our own money. the bonus went to the medical bills, hospital fees and subsequent nappies / formula purchases. with children 2&3 (twins) it went to the medical bills, hospital fees and subsequent nappies / formula purchases. no new tv’s etc, we just save for items like that, the old fashioned way.

Absent Diane Absent Diane 12:42 pm 27 Jun 08

“Why shouldn’t they get at least a bit of help from the government?”

I didn’t say they shouldn’t i don’t think they should get a baby bonus though.

The other thing that shits me is that people get 5K for essentially having shag… just about anyone can do that. just because you have the ability to procreate and do, doesn’t make you special. it makes you normal.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 12:28 pm 27 Jun 08

And, sorry to double-post, but ‘how to contribute to a conversation and how to not make comments when you have f-k-all to say 101’ is down the hall, Woody.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 12:26 pm 27 Jun 08

Yeah, I’m no medical expert. Since when was the Riot-Act a place for experts?

I’m against child neglect too. That’s why I suggested some control over what the baby bonus can be spent on should be executed (and that’s for all parents).

jessieduck jessieduck 12:20 pm 27 Jun 08

DMD I think we’re on the same-ish wave length anyways- It was just the medical side of things needed correction.

jessieduck jessieduck 12:16 pm 27 Jun 08

I would hate to live in a society that forces abortions or adoptions. I am all for young people having a go at raising a family as well. What I am against is child neglect

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