10 April 2006

Clea Rose hit and run passenger gets 18 months

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The ABC is reporting that A 13-year-old boy from the Canberra suburb of Mackellar has been sentenced to 18 months in detention for riding in the stolen car that struck and killed Canberra University student Clea Rose.

Seems like a hard but fair penalty for an accomplice?

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I think with the whole army thing is that they would channel their poor attitudes and hopefully give them a wake up call.

Thumper and Mael, I’m with you 100%.

Idiots like those should be locked up – and for longer than 18 months.

Personally, I’d like for them to never see the light of day but that’s just my opinion.

I’ll be watching the news in 18 months time to see if the little “darlings” have reoffended.

I wouldn’t put it past them. They’ve literally gotten away with murder.

Absent Diane10:00 am 12 Apr 06

You can only hope DVD….

a ‘hard and fair’ punishment would be 18 years, no parole. 18 months mostly suspended is indeed a pathetic sentence. Best case scenario next time this turd does a runner from the cops he kills himself and his mates and no one else.

It is a fact that you see people “lying bleeding on the ground” however this does not equate with an increase in the crime rate that would lead to the conclusion “we are the new America”. Just because you see something more often on the TV (your assertion) does not mean it occurs more often in the world (or in Australia).
“… people lying bleeding on the ground on Australian soil isn’t statistics, it’s fact.” It is a fact but not one that can lead you to legitimately suggest that there is an increase in crime. There have always been “people lying bleeding on the ground”, it is just that TV now brings them into our homes.
Don’t judge the world by the frequency particular images are presented on TV (otherwise it would be a proven fact that drinking alcohol makes you sexually irresistible).

Binker, my impression comes from what I see on the telly.

In 1986 all you saw on tv was cricket or afl anyway
In 1996 all you saw was Americans shooting themselves up, be it at schools or elsewhere
In 2006 all I seem to see is Australians shooting themselves up

It may only be a reporting trend, however my perception is that people lying bleeding on the ground on Australian soil isn’t statistics, it’s fact.

Mael
Your suggestion that “we are the new America” is somewhat at odds with the stats for example:
For NSW
Over the 24 months to December 2005, the recorded incidence of:
Robbery with a firearm fell 26.7 per cent
Break and enter dwelling fell 11.0 per cent
Break and enter non-dwelling fell 7.8 per cent
Motor vehicle theft fell 12.4 per cent
Steal from a motor vehicle fell 9.0 per cent
Steal from a dwelling fell 5.4 per cent
Steal from the person fell 12.5 per cent

NSW stats from Beuro of Crime Statistics and Research (http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/bocsar/ll_bocsar.nsf/pages/bocsar_mr_rcs05)

Full report can be found here (http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/bocsar/ll_bocsar.nsf/vwFiles/RCS05.pdf/$file/RCS05.pdf)

In general crime is falling, however the “if it bleeds it leads” philosophy of most news services may account for your mistake.

**Disclaimer**

The police would be called first, they may request military assistance if desired.

NO trainee in the military is given access to hardware until their instructional staff are COMPLETELY satisfied that they will not do anything stupid with it.

I won’t get into the process involved in getting them there, but it involves discipline, self respect, and in certain individuals, reprogramming.

Turning potential pipe-bombers into soldiers is a delicate and hazardous task, and the military should be increasing the time they take rather than decreasing the time it takes to convert playstation hitmen into soldiers (as well as loosening the restrictions in place due to onerous OH&S and diversity and legislation and prettyboy suicide horrified parents creating storms in teacups) – within reason of course. The outcomes will be even more professionally trained soldiers, who are more rigidly focussed, and capable of doing their tasks without further training (and I daresay, an improved retention level).

The military have been accepting people from dubious backgrounds since several tribesmen picked up clubs and organised a fight against the neighbouring village, so no issues there; in a way, they’ve been waiting for them to arrive.

Annie, I watched the news last night horrified. From beatings with knives and other weapons in Brisbane, to driveby shootings in Sydney, all by (alleged of course) juvenile delinquents. We are the new America, wait for the pipe-bombings and mass killings to start within the school system.

Teaching a motivated and trained soldier how to use a weapon has nothing at all to do with the above situation, although you may rest assured that they are there, waiting to be called in, to help get your precious little Johnny off the water tower after he’s gone postal and started shooting up everybody in sight.

In the trade, we call it pink mist.

TV & the internet teach juvenile delinquents how to handle weapons. At least the military puts their use into perspective.

No, I’m not advocating leaving them alone Thumper. It IS their fault – and the fault of their stupid parents.

I think anything that teaches someone who’s drowning like these kids obviously are a bit of self respect, and gives them direction and discipline is fantastic.

I just don’t think we should teach juvenile delinquents how to handle weapons, that’s all.

Just coming back on subject for a second, I think the sentence should take into consideration his situation at the time of the crime. That is to say, was he held captive at the time the car was stolen? Did he plead with the driver to abandon the chase and give them selves up to the police? Or (more than likely) was he a willing accomplice who never considered that the stealing, the joy ride and the resulting police chase would lead to the death of a young girl?

If he was a willing accomplice at the time of the accident, then the sentence should be as harsh as if he was driving the car himself.

Absent Diane10:57 am 11 Apr 06

Unfortunately there is no easy solution for something like this other than restricting the type of people that can have kids…. for which there are so many positives… the only negative is that deprives people of their civil liberties… but I personally don’t give a fuck if these lower class swine are treated as such….

Thumper – won’t this create a repeat of the Vietnam era Regs vs. Nashos situation – only worse?

I agree a short, sharp shock like basic at Kapooka would be great for some of these kids, but what about the other recruits? Would they question the committment of a “army or goal” recruit? Morale in the services is bad enough already.

I know a lot of the guys who sign up aren’t angels, but they’re not convicted crims (well…not usually).

It’ll work for some of them. I’m sure there’s an element that will thrive in an environment of structure and discipline that they previously lacked, and would make great soldiers.

However, I’m pretty sure that most of them will cause more trouble than they’re worth; and will be resented by the other recruits, who are there for all the right reasons. Not to mention the poor bloody NCO’s who are going to have to keep the little buggers in line.

Either that or create a Soviet-style “penal batalion” and throw them at German machine guns.

Wait…that won’t work either…

LurkerGal, I used to be married to an army private, so I know the drill there (excuse the pun). And you’re right: discipline and self-respect are paramount.

My point is that I think the defence force is for people who love their country and already have some basic self-esteem and desire to contribute.

Putting these delinquent kids in the army is not going to work unless you address their self-destructiveness FIRST. Otherwise you’re just going to make things worse.

Annie: spoken like someone who has never been in the ADF. It’s about discipline and self respect. And anyone can shoot someone, you don’t have to have special training.

What a good idea. Let’s grab a few kids with no self-respect or discipline and so full of anger they don’t care who gets hurt, and let’s teach them to shoot people.

Yeah, that’ll work.

I saw a story (from Sydney I think) the other week, where a dog owner was sentenced to 3 months after his pit bull attacked a kid. If they start implementing some sort of reponsibility to the parents of these kids, I’m tipping they would be kept on a much shorter leash.
And the poor dogs always get destroyed…

This particular little shit has been stealing cars and breaking into houses prolifically since his age was in single digits.

If he and a dozen other similar shits were taken behind the wall and shot the crime rate would immediately plummet. (Not that I am suggesting this, but Kim Jong Ill wouldn’t put up with vermin like this)

Mostly suspended even after the lad continued to ride in stolen cars after the event (according to the ABC)

Pathetic

Didn’t the driver get 18 months? That’s hardly fair.

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