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Climate Change: Local Challenges and Opportunities

hilary 3 March 2009 21

Inner North SEE-Change Presents: Dr Karin Geiselhart 

Are you concerned about climate change?

Looking to filter out the white noise and misinformation? Dr Karin Geiselhart , a Climate Project presenter, personally trained by Al Gore,  will update us on the science, impacts and issues of climate change and help show us what we can do to meet the biggest environmental challenge of our time. 

We all contribute to the problem and therefore have a responsibility to play some role in the solution. Sometimes we just don’t know where to start…

Thursday 12th March 
6pm light supper
6.45pm talk
Child minding provided.
O’Connor Uniting Church Hall, Corner of Brigalow & Scrivener Streets

All welcome,  Gold Coin donation  

For more information contact Hilary  6161 4919 


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karin geiselhart karin geiselhart 6:47 am 14 Mar 09

Wow! I had no idea there were so many vehemently uninformed people in Canberra.
Al Gore is an uber-mensch, he does things to change the world for the better. I was privileged to be with him for the training.

Sadly reminds me of some Americans views on the topic, but then their mass media encourages ignorance. We have the ABC.

No, I didn’t show his movie, that’s old hat and there is better stuff on You Tube now about climate change.

I talked about adaptation, mitigation and restoration, and alternatives to the obsessive mantra of growth, and the wispiness of the ACT gov’s doc on climate change.

How come none of you made substantive comments on the science, or local issues, or suggested some solutions?

And yeah, I hug trees.You got a problem with that?

Thumper Thumper 8:31 am 12 Mar 09

Yes. You are all wrong and I am right.

End of debate.

Emlyn Ward Emlyn Ward 12:03 am 12 Mar 09

Purpleax said :

On a more serious note though, whether you believe in climate change or not, people should have the maturity to debate the topic without resorting to personal attacks like the one from Woody Mann-Caruso.

Why? If you start rabbiting-on about the nazi lizards that live in the centre of the earth we can simply write you off as a loon.
Ditto with flat-earthers, anti-vaccinationists and global warming deniers. Loons, all.

Science is about debate. It should be debated.

It is. Constantly. By people who know what they are talking about, who stick to the evidence and can construct a rational argument.
Global warming denial is not science. Denialists contribute no original research and largely busy themselves with mis-representing their qualifications and inventing data or doctoring other people’s data in order to present dishonest claims usually direct to the media in the form of media releases – because they can’t get any serious science publication to publish their nonsense.

Unless this happens, we will all be worse off. If climate change turns out to be a real danger the world faces, the CC activists are making it worse by not allowing the science community as a whole to all come to the same conclusion and work on a solution.

The science community as a whole is in full agreement about the basic science of anthropogenic global warming and has been for over a decade.

It sounds as if you’ve been suckered by the Exxon-lobby into believing in some sort of imaginary uncertainty.

Thumper Thumper 10:55 pm 04 Mar 09

Gee Fisho, didn’t you realise the mistake you were making by disagreeing with WMC. I’m +1 with you – wait for it…..

Ah, WMC, the protected species on RA. One who can abuse anyone without getting moderated 😉

proofpositive proofpositive 10:31 pm 04 Mar 09

The whole Gorebull Warming concept is playing out just like modern pharmacology.

They treat, by attacking the so called symptoms (anthropomorphic processes) and keep telling you that the problem will move closer to being under control (so long as you continually agree to take their drugs, their way, for ever). Never do they actually come up with something concrete and definitive that will actually guarantee to solve the supposed problem in the first place.

And why do they want to act exactly like their pharmaceutical brethren? Because all the senior Gorebull Warming evangelists will ultimately benefit pushing their own warped agenda. By gullibly sucking in the masses, making them permanently digest a stream of hypothetical remedial actions, with an ingrained fear of the terrible consequences should they fail; thus they never ever have to finally reveal the solution, the ultimate holy grail.

In reality Gorebull Warming is nothing more than the newest of a long succession of cult religions. A bunch of new environmental “happy-clappers”. Any who fail to subscribe or deviate from the proscribed doctrine are ostracised, denigrated as blasphemers and made examples of as the new pariahs of society.

Yet, these unsuspecting new converts continually fail to comprehend that the whole scheme is nothing more than a huge pyramid structure (in many ways no more complex than a simple multilevel marketing scam)… no matter how many more people they sign up underneath them, the people at the top of the so-called “upline” calling the shots are the always going to screw those underneath.

squashee squashee 9:49 pm 04 Mar 09

For anyone considering going on Thursday, make sure you remember to dab a little Vicks Vapo Rub just above your lip… It will help cover the smell of the dirty, unwashed, hairy tree huggers who will be hanging on every word Gore’s prodigy will be dribbling.

Fisho Fisho 9:19 pm 04 Mar 09

A. Thanks for proving my point. I’m glad you mentioned flat-earthers, because the inbred heretics who dared challenge the scientific fact (at the time anyway) that the earth was in fact not flat, but round, met with exactly the same vitriol delivered to people who dare question the religion of CC/FE.
B. I drew the parrallel because there isn’t enough data to accurately predict either. I’m aware they are different. However, with enough funding I’m sure the CC industry can remain employed long enough to provide an irrefutable answer. Or produce results that would best be examined. (With more funding, of course)I know it will be colder in June. That’s due to the planetary orbit and such. Not climate change, or are you claiming it is?
C. Some of it’s there. Much of it is (A) against those who dare interpret it in a manner that doesn’t support the funding cycles the CC industry require.

Just provide some clear evidence. With all the taxpayer funds consumed in the crusade there should be plenty of it. Hang on, man-bear-pig is knocking on the door….

dexi dexi 4:48 pm 04 Mar 09

“It isn’t like they have ever made a post on Riot ACT that wasn’t full of invective.”
A post with a new word to learn, now that’s interesting.

1. vehement or violent denunciation, censure, or reproach.
2. a railing accusation; vituperation.
3. an insulting or abusive word or expression.
–adjective
4. vituperative; denunciatory; censoriously abusive.

jakez jakez 4:41 pm 04 Mar 09

I think WMC’s comments have to be taken in context though. It isn’t like they have ever made a post on Riot ACT that wasn’t full of invective.

Purpleax Purpleax 4:06 pm 04 Mar 09

On a more serious note though, whether you believe in climate change or not, people should have the maturity to debate the topic without resorting to personal attacks like the one from Woody Mann-Caruso.

Science is about debate. It should be debated.

Unless this happens, we will all be worse off. If climate change turns out to be a real danger the world faces, the CC activists are making it worse by not allowing the science community as a whole to all come to the same conclusion and work on a solution.

Purpleax Purpleax 4:02 pm 04 Mar 09

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A. Stupidity deserves to be pointed out and shouted down wherever it rears its but ugly head. Dumbarses like you thrive in the weed-invested cracks of fair hearings. “You have to respect my views!” No, I don’t, any more than I have to entertain views that super lizard Nazis live at the centre of the earth, which is flat. Come back with some science, some evidence, something peer-reviewed, and we’ll be all ears. Scientists love to be wrong. All you’ve got is the tabloid press.
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haha. You have proved Fisho’s point exactly with this reply! brilliant.

Bundybear Bundybear 10:15 pm 03 Mar 09

Gee Fisho, didn’t you realise the mistake you were making by disagreeing with WMC. I’m +1 with you – wait for it…..

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 9:49 pm 03 Mar 09

A. Stupidity deserves to be pointed out and shouted down wherever it rears its butt-ugly head. Dumbarses like you thrive in the weed-invested cracks of fair hearings. “You have to respect my views!” No, I don’t, any more than I have to entertain views that super lizard Nazis live at the centre of the earth, which is flat. Come back with some science, some evidence, something peer-reviewed, and we’ll be all ears. Scientists love to be wrong. All you’ve got is the tabloid press.

B. Weather is not climate. If you knew what you were talking about, you’d know that.
I can’t tell you the temp tomorrow, but I can tell you it will be colder in June.

C. It’s already there. Learn to use Google.

Fisho Fisho 9:04 pm 03 Mar 09

You don’t have to worry about climate change because we all died in the late 90’s due to the hole in the ozone. You aren’t really reading this, you’re a character in a Lost-like tv show.

I’d be less sceptical of climate change if …
A. anyone who provides scientific data questioning CC isn’t attacked on a personal level and blacklisted by the CC industry, rather than having their data refuted on a scientific level. Much like the other fashionable crusade, National and Marine Parks.
B. Climatologists can predict *today’s* weather with more accuracy than mere blind luck. Never mind next centuries weather patterns. If the data and tech isn’t accurate for small scale predictions I’m not interested in large scale harum scarum.
C. Clear data from available records (mud cores, ice cores, fossil records etc) can be provided to show the *rate* of climate change/CO2 etc is unmatched in natural history, cross referenced to the normal intraglacial planetary cycles.

imhotep imhotep 8:30 pm 03 Mar 09

I’m not skeptical about climate change myself, but I’ve met enough climate change skeptics to know that ‘personally trained by Al Gore’ is a sure-fire turn off for many unbelievers. (You would think that a professional promoter of the topic would know that.)

IMO Gore’s movie did great disservice to the acceptance of the science around climate change. Many people have chosen to accept or reject climate change based on their view about its principal publicists such as Gore, the liberal left, the Greens etc. Very few I’ve met reject it on well-researched scientific grounds.

She might as well be ‘personally trained by Paris Hilton’ for all the credibility mentioning Gore’s name gives her among what (I assume) is her target audience.

bigfeet bigfeet 5:49 pm 03 Mar 09

“filter out the white noise and misinformation?”

and

“a Climate Project presenter, personally trained by Al Gore”

are two mutually exclusive statements.

Loose Brown Loose Brown 4:50 pm 03 Mar 09

I’ll be there. Who’s up for a drink at the Front afterwards to discuss?

barking toad barking toad 3:37 pm 03 Mar 09

And no doubt the personally trained disciple will be showing “An Inconvenient Truth”. Profit Al’s movie – the one which a British judge determined contained factually incorrect and misleading information.

R. Slicker R. Slicker 2:26 pm 03 Mar 09

Oh, God! Can we kill off this “climate change” crap altogether, please?

jakez jakez 1:43 pm 03 Mar 09

I guess she must be ‘super serial’ about climate change then.

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