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Container deposits? we’re in favour but not doing anything on our own.

By johnboy 21 March 2013 21

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Mayor Rattenbury is sounding the call on container deposit recycling:

“Three large beverage companies have recently used a legal challenge to shut down the Northern Territory’s popular container deposit scheme. Its fate now depends on all State and Territory Governments supporting a change to the law. This ACT Greens motion ensures the ACT will support that change.

“The ACT Greens also support a national container deposit scheme, which would benefit the ACT and all jurisdictions. The long awaited Federal Government’s decision is expected soon, and all States and Territories need to keep the pressure on.

“Disappointingly the Canberra Liberals sided with the ‘Big 3’ beverage companies and rejected the call to improve recycling, despite the significant evidence that container deposit schemes reduce unsightly litter, improve recycling rates, and save overall costs to the community.

Realistically doing anything on this out of step with NSW would be disastrous.

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IrishPete 9:19 am 23 Mar 13

schmeah said :

No, as I said she is head of the food and grocers lobby group in the ACT who are the chief players behind the deposit scheme being shafted .. don’t know how you interpreted my comment as her being CM .. ?

No she is the head of a National body, probably based in the ACT to get easy access to federal politicians. Not sure if she still is, after becoming CEO of BeyondBlue recently. However, the amazing ability of executives to hold down multiple jobs with full salaries may mean she has 2+ jobs.

IP

davo101 2:18 pm 22 Mar 13

schmeah said :

.. don’t know how you interpreted my comment as her being CM .. ?

Long memory combined with poor reading comprehension?

schmeah 12:38 pm 22 Mar 13

Thumper said :

schmeah said :

Thumper said :

Recycling, complete no brainer.

Why are we even discussing this?

because the likes of Kate Carnell and her mighty position at the food and grocery council keep spreading lies about how a deposit scheme would financially ruin distributors and store owners and possibly result in the end-times. It’s a real shame we don’t have a scheme.

I remember clubbing in Europe 10 years ago now and povos such as myself would go around and pick up abandoned glass bottles to take them back to the bar for a refund (about 80 cents) which we would then put towards more buying more beer. This would be repeated in the wider world outside of course, by the homeless or others looking for spare bus change.

Kate Carnell is still CM?

News to me…

No, as I said she is head of the food and grocers lobby group in the ACT who are the chief players behind the deposit scheme being shafted .. don’t know how you interpreted my comment as her being CM .. ?

davo101 12:21 pm 22 Mar 13

Realistically doing anything on this out of step with NSW would be disastrous.

So I’m guessing you didn’t read the block of text you pasted above this statement where it says:
Its fate now depends on all State and Territory Governments supporting a change to the law.?

Jim Jones 10:49 am 22 Mar 13

Thumper said :

schmeah said :

Thumper said :

Recycling, complete no brainer.

Why are we even discussing this?

because the likes of Kate Carnell and her mighty position at the food and grocery council keep spreading lies about how a deposit scheme would financially ruin distributors and store owners and possibly result in the end-times. It’s a real shame we don’t have a scheme.

I remember clubbing in Europe 10 years ago now and povos such as myself would go around and pick up abandoned glass bottles to take them back to the bar for a refund (about 80 cents) which we would then put towards more buying more beer. This would be repeated in the wider world outside of course, by the homeless or others looking for spare bus change.

Kate Carnell is still CM?

News to me…

Not CM, she’s head of a rent-seeking lobby group.

Thumper 10:39 am 22 Mar 13

schmeah said :

Thumper said :

Recycling, complete no brainer.

Why are we even discussing this?

because the likes of Kate Carnell and her mighty position at the food and grocery council keep spreading lies about how a deposit scheme would financially ruin distributors and store owners and possibly result in the end-times. It’s a real shame we don’t have a scheme.

I remember clubbing in Europe 10 years ago now and povos such as myself would go around and pick up abandoned glass bottles to take them back to the bar for a refund (about 80 cents) which we would then put towards more buying more beer. This would be repeated in the wider world outside of course, by the homeless or others looking for spare bus change.

Kate Carnell is still CM?

News to me…

pink little birdie 10:32 am 22 Mar 13

In Kenya Bars and restraunts cahrged you about $1 for coke in a glass bottle if you were consuming it on the premises. It was $4 if you weren’t because they recycle the bottles. Even the little trailer stalls that were on our campsite had recycling for glassand plastic next to it.

I still think recycling bins should be emtied weekly

schmeah 10:05 am 22 Mar 13

Thumper said :

Recycling, complete no brainer.

Why are we even discussing this?

because the likes of Kate Carnell and her mighty position at the food and grocery council keep spreading lies about how a deposit scheme would financially ruin distributors and store owners and possibly result in the end-times. It’s a real shame we don’t have a scheme.

I remember clubbing in Europe 10 years ago now and povos such as myself would go around and pick up abandoned glass bottles to take them back to the bar for a refund (about 80 cents) which we would then put towards more buying more beer. This would be repeated in the wider world outside of course, by the homeless or others looking for spare bus change.

KB1971 9:59 am 22 Mar 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I’m shocked. Irish Pete I 100% agree. Force these companies to take some of the responsibility for what comes out of their factories. On the other side start issuing huge fines to peeps who litter and do not recycle properly. Government also needs to put in place more facilities. The amount of garbage bins to recycle bins in public places is disgusting.

Also anyone who thinks recycling is a waste of time is a grade A POS.

Its just not glass either, have a look at all the packaging in the supermarket. These convenient meals that come in non recyclable foam containers, individually packed tiems that could be sold in more bulk & my favourite, bubble packed items.

Why does a battery have to be packed in something that has both cardboard and plastic?

We have a waste problem, hitting the consumer is not the full answer. We need to get the manufacturers thinking about it too.

Thumper 9:47 am 22 Mar 13

Recycling, complete no brainer.

Why are we even discussing this?

pptvb 8:54 am 22 Mar 13

Watson said :

Solidarity said :

Only things worth recycling are metals, things like glass and plastic take more energy to recycle then it does to make new ones.

This isn’t just about recycling though. It’s also about reducing litter. Surely shattered beer bottles must be at the top of the list of most common items to be dumped in public places. Probably second, after MacDonald’s wrappers.

#1….Cigarette butts

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 7:22 am 22 Mar 13

I’m shocked. Irish Pete I 100% agree. Force these companies to take some of the responsibility for what comes out of their factories. On the other side start issuing huge fines to peeps who litter and do not recycle properly. Government also needs to put in place more facilities. The amount of garbage bins to recycle bins in public places is disgusting.

Also anyone who thinks recycling is a waste of time is a grade A POS.

IrishPete 11:54 pm 21 Mar 13

johnboy said :

SA is a long expensive drive from the rest of the country.

How would this be a disaster? Make the manufacturers pay 10c for every bottle and can returned in the ACT and they’ll soon introduce it “voluntarily” in NSW too. The ACT can be the Mouse That Roared.

Apart from Tasmania, every Australian State and Territory has a border. So even SA deals with the crossborder issue somehow.

IP

IrishPete 11:50 pm 21 Mar 13

Solidarity said :

Only things worth recycling are metals, things like glass and plastic take more energy to recycle then it does to make new ones.

You’ll find a Coca Cola Amtail spokesperson under every rock.

This is not just about energy. It’s about non-renewable resources. It’s about landfill. It’s about litter. It’s about the sea of plastic in the Pacific Ocean. I’ve probably forgotten some things.

IP

goggles13 10:58 pm 21 Mar 13

why is this an issue? my home state, SA has had a container deposit scheme for as long as I can remember, was there when I was a kid in the 70s/80s.

wildturkeycanoe 10:42 pm 21 Mar 13

Solidarity said :

Only things worth recycling are metals, things like glass and plastic take more energy to recycle then it does to make new ones.

So, it’s cheaper to get silicon from the sand and melt it instead of getting glass you can melt in a furnace or campfire? When people are willing to give you the glass for free, how much more can it cost?

caf 10:26 pm 21 Mar 13

Solidarity said :

Only things worth recycling are metals, things like glass and plastic take more energy to recycle then it does to make new ones.

That is not true. The figures in this report for Victoria give the savings in embodied energy for recycled over virgin product as 57% for glass, 79% for HDPE and 76% for PET.

EvanJames 9:35 pm 21 Mar 13

I imagine quite a lot of that cheap Coles Henninger (or the bottles it once was in) can be found in many local recycling bins…

Watson 4:01 pm 21 Mar 13

Solidarity said :

Only things worth recycling are metals, things like glass and plastic take more energy to recycle then it does to make new ones.

This isn’t just about recycling though. It’s also about reducing litter. Surely shattered beer bottles must be at the top of the list of most common items to be dumped in public places. Probably second, after MacDonald’s wrappers.

Solidarity 3:30 pm 21 Mar 13

Only things worth recycling are metals, things like glass and plastic take more energy to recycle then it does to make new ones.

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