Culture Jamming goes too far with drug laced lollies at MacDonalds?

johnboy 26 February 2009 139

The Canberra Times reports that two 16 year old girls from Palmerston and Harrison have been charged with acts endangering health after allegedly leaving lollies in the kiddie pit at Gungahlin Maccas.

    “Police allege that the two girls concealed over-the-counter, non-prescription tablets one a mild stimulant and the other a pain-killing medication inside soft lollies and deliberately left them in the children’s play area.”

The kids who took them are reportedly unharmed.


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Americanberran Americanberran 6:14 pm 01 Mar 09

At least they didn’t leave peanuts lying around.
*forgets the quoter’s name*

True, mate, but they did find a potentially-dangerous tomato up Ronny’s wazzoo.. just waiting to be retrieved.

Pommy bastard Pommy bastard 5:49 pm 01 Mar 09

sepi said :

I can read them. Keep on trying PB – you’ll get there. 🙂

I have no desire to become like you and Jim who consistently post things which you claim other people have allegedly posted, but then are totally unable to substantiate.

It’s cheating, unworthy and underhand.

Thank you for making my point for me.

Starscream Starscream 2:01 pm 01 Mar 09

If they did this to my daughter those girls would be dead already. You have to be completely evil to even think about harming a young child. Absolutely disgusting and i am horrified that people can even defend what these morons did. There is never any excuse for this sort of actions.

PsydFX PsydFX 1:58 pm 01 Mar 09

Jim Jones said :

Just as bad is the lack of perspective demonstrated by the trolls here (PsydFX, Gobbo, etc.) who assume that, because someone isn’t yelling to the death penalty, that they condone criminal behaviour: the ‘if you ain’t with us, your against us’ kind of bollocks.

WTF?

Lack of perspective? What we have here is your inability to read, which you display on RA regularly.

Show me where I have made any of the statements that support these girls receiving the death penalty – you can’t. I still stand by my suggested punishment of naming the girls, and making them listen to the stories of drink spiked rape victims – you know to put their crime into some kind of context that they may be able to understand.

Also, you talk about us having this ‘if you ain’t with us, your against us’ mentality, but clearly that is your mentality as is demonstrated by your constant attacks against PB in every post he comments in.

sepi sepi 11:00 am 01 Mar 09

I can read them. Keep on trying PB – you’ll get there. 🙂

Pommy bastard Pommy bastard 10:38 am 01 Mar 09

Another person not privy to the invisible writings which only Jim can read?

Gobbo Gobbo 7:56 am 01 Mar 09

Jim Jones said :

Just as bad is the lack of perspective demonstrated by the trolls here (PsydFX, Gobbo, etc.) who assume that, because someone isn’t yelling to the death penalty, that they condone criminal behaviour: the ‘if you ain’t with us, your against us’ kind of bollocks.

And naturally you were going to provide an example of me calling for the death penalty the next time you posted. Or even my “if your not with me your agin me” kind of bollocks.

Let go of you past disagreements with me Jimbo and concentrate on the issue at hand.

I have not extolled the position you ascribe to me. If anyone is wearing a troll hat, it would be you. So please, don’t go and repeatedly make stuff up to bolster you weak position.

Thank you.

Granny Granny 8:34 pm 27 Feb 09

At the end of the day I’m just glad that the little kids were ok.

I hope those girls never do anything like this again, whether by a conviction and sentence or the help of an effective counselor with real runs on the board, or both. I have seen some wonderful stories of what can be done by counselors.

There is a group I know of that works with homeless men and their families to deal with all sorts of issues such as domestic violence, drug and alcohol dependency and mental health issues. The life-changing results that can be achieved with counseling are so much more worthwhile than locking them up and letting them out to do it all again.

When you can deal with a destructive issue in a person’s life, everybody wins – the former partner, the kids, society and even the person themself.

That is why I am such a strong supporter of counseling. I have seen people that get through tough, debilitating issues in their own lives and even go on to help other people in similar situations.

I know it doesn’t always work, but when it does society is so much better off.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 8:15 pm 27 Feb 09

I think VY, it is always a shame that society does these whole pendulum swings instead of just trying to get the balance right in the middle ground.

You’re right, and I suspect it’s due to the wide range of opinion out in the general community.

That said, I still think those girls knew right from wrong.

Granny Granny 8:10 pm 27 Feb 09

I think VY, it is always a shame that society does these whole pendulum swings instead of just trying to get the balance right in the middle ground.

I understand and share your concerns in relation to the court judgments not reflecting community standards.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 8:00 pm 27 Feb 09

No I didn’t. What I said was “Teenagers are notoriously bad for connecting their actions to possible repercussions”, and then provided evidence for the assertion. That is completely different.

So what point are you really getting at here? Teens know right from wrong but don’t care? If the teens are not connecting their actions to the possible repercussions, what does right and wrong even mean?? You said in post #122 that “of course the girls knew what they were doing was wrong”, but in post #48 you said “‘Knowing the difference between right and wrong’ is a particularly glib and uninsightful thing to say”. What are you getting at? I ‘m just a tad confused at what your point is.

I understand you get cranky when people call for harsh or violent punishment, but I’ll reiterate what I said earlie. If you’re willing to try to understand what motivates 16 year olds to do something like like, why can’t you try to understand why a whole cross section of the community wants to see some solid punishment dished out? I think it would be fair to say that many on the community think the punishments being dished out by the courts in Canberra is light on, and not reflective of community standards for the crimes being committed.

Granny Granny 7:17 pm 27 Feb 09

No, perhaps you were right, PB. For some people living is the harshest punishment of all.

Pommy bastard Pommy bastard 6:51 pm 27 Feb 09

I agree with you there Granny. However, to “throw the book” at someone normally is interpreted as “to give the harshest punishment available,” which I wholeheartedly concur these girls should receive.

Granny Granny 6:28 pm 27 Feb 09

tom-tom said :

if they are found guilty i hope they get the book thrown at them.

Why not?

“The book” doesn’t prescribe capital or corporal punishment, and takes into account the age of the offender and the severity of the crime. After many hundred years of hard won reforms “the book” includes many checks and balances that make our nation the envy of so many others.

Pommy bastard Pommy bastard 6:17 pm 27 Feb 09

Jim Jones said :

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

you made the argument that teens don’t typically know right from wrong,

No I didn’t. What I said was “Teenagers are notoriously bad for connecting their actions to possible repercussions”, and then provided evidence for the assertion. That is completely different.

So they knew what they were doing was wrong, therefore the malice which I and others have argued for is right. Good, I’m glad that’s cleared up.

Of course the girls knew what they were doing was wrong, and of course they should be pulled up for it. That goes without saying. What myself (and others) are complaining about is the brutally primitive, unthinkingly bloodthirsty nature of the screaming for vengeance.

What punishment, if any, do you think would be appropriate Jim? Seeing as these kids endangered the life of innocent toddlers?

I don’t get depressed by the fact that people get worked up about crime – it’s this stupid ‘hang em high’ attitude, which, frankly, GB has analysed better than anyone.

Maybe people are sick and tired of the swing since the 80’s to the other extreme, the “empathising” and the “rehabilitation,” and the mollycoddling of thugs and others in the hope that they will realise their evil ways and become flower power hippies. Maybe it’s people like you Jim, who, by denying retribution, are responsible for the cries for blood.

Just as bad is the lack of perspective demonstrated by the trolls here (PsydFX, Gobbo, etc.) who assume that, because someone isn’t yelling to the death penalty, that they condone criminal behaviour: the ‘if you ain’t with us, your against us’ kind of bollocks.

They have argued your points Jim, not lied about what you have said, like you lie about what they have said.

Quote me where they have claimed, or indicated, ‘if you ain’t with us, your against us’

Whatever. As fnaah has pointed out – at least there are people willing to step forward and argue against the crap that PB and his lot spit out on a regular basis.

You aren’t Jim, you repeatedly make up stuff, and resort to personal ad hominems, you are defined by your deceitfulness, you also post crap like your “youtube” link above.

tom-tom tom-tom 5:46 pm 27 Feb 09

so at best these girls are idiot 16 year olds who were completely indifferent to the fact their actions could have killed a toddler and at worst are evil malicious brats who deliberately tried to hurt a toddler, does anybody else think that which ever of these two options is correct is largely irrelevant? they still undertook an action which could have killed a small child.

if they are found guilty i hope they get the book thrown at them.

(also does anybody else find PB’s ability to throw something out there and have the same few people charge in head first everytime just slightly amusing?)

chewy14 chewy14 5:15 pm 27 Feb 09

So Jimbo,
anyone who doesn’t agree with your opion is a troll or just talks crap?

I don’t agree with PB on this but i definitely don’t agree with you either.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

Also, I stick to my original position – these girls knew exactly what they were doing. If it were my child I’d be calling for harsh punishment to deter others from trying something similar. (And Jimbo, don’t go reading anything special into the term ‘harsh punishment’, it means only what it says).

+1

Jim Jones Jim Jones 5:04 pm 27 Feb 09

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

you made the argument that teens don’t typically know right from wrong,

No I didn’t. What I said was “Teenagers are notoriously bad for connecting their actions to possible repercussions”, and then provided evidence for the assertion. That is completely different.

Of course the girls knew what they were doing was wrong, and of course they should be pulled up for it. That goes without saying. What myself (and others) are complaining about is the brutally primitive, unthinkingly bloodthirsty nature of the screaming for vengeance.

I don’t get depressed by the fact that people get worked up about crime – it’s this stupid ‘hang em high’ attitude, which, frankly, GB has analysed better than anyone.

Just as bad is the lack of perspective demonstrated by the trolls here (PsydFX, Gobbo, etc.) who assume that, because someone isn’t yelling to the death penalty, that they condone criminal behaviour: the ‘if you ain’t with us, your against us’ kind of bollocks.

Whatever. As fnaah has pointed out – at least there are people willing to step forward and argue against the crap that PB and his lot spit out on a regular basis.

Granny Granny 5:03 pm 27 Feb 09

I didn’t think you were backing off from debate, PB.

I can understand given our history that the mental tone you read my comments in is bound to be hostile. Sometimes it is, I can’t deny that, but not always. It really wasn’t in this case. Even the first bit. The tone I was writing it in was the same as if I was putting the point to one of my friends.

We’re just really not emotionally safe for each other to talk to, I’m afraid. There’s too much water under the bridge. Too many disagreements. Too many misunderstandings. Too much hurt.

I really don’t believe my kids would murder someone either, but they still might. I’m very proud of my children and certainly not wanting to disparage yours or mine. I’m just saying that bad things like that really do happen to good people.

And I am not excusing the behaviour. I am a mum with the most gorgeous little girl. And I have taken her to that very playground many times. I certainly do take this seriously.

chewy14 chewy14 4:58 pm 27 Feb 09

No,
it would be a better place to buy them.

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