Cyclist down in Barton

johnboy 8 June 2011 61

A 47-year-old Fadden man is recovering in The Canberra Hospital after being hit by a car while riding his bicycle earlier this morning (Wednesday, June 8).

About 7.35am the man was cycling along Kings Avenue in Barton when a silver Mitsubishi Magna collided with him. The driver of the Magna fled the scene without stopping.

The cyclist was wearing a bright yellow fluoro jacket with rear lights. He was taken to The Canberra Hospital with minor injuries.

Police would like to speak with any witnesses who may have witnessed the collision who have not yet spoken to police or anyone who may be able to identify the driver of the silver Mitsubishi Magna to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000, or via the Crime Stoppers website on www.act.crimestoppers.com.au. Information can be provided anonymously.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]


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Watson Watson 12:37 pm 19 Jun 11

scorpio63 said :

I cycle although must disagree with some posters who think that during peak hour traffic times (morning in particular around Manuka and Barton) cars and bikes can co-exist well.

No, they do not.

For instance, last week travelling through Barton at 40ks during high volume traffic, waiting lengthy periods at traffic lights, slowly passing building works and workers walking around, I encountered two people on bikes swerving from the left literally out of no-where into the direct path of another vehicle in front of me, weaving in and out of cars taking off at the green lights. In between. Not on the left, not behind other vehicles. No bright coloured clothing and blatant disrespect for all other road users.

I note that quite a few do not wear helmuts at all and prefer beanies.

When or if they fly through the air after having been hit by a vehicle, who will be the first person they or their family members blame and/or sue (after breaking the law on two counts themselves)?

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They did not give way, whizzed and weaved in between the slower cars taking off at the lights which is illegal for any bikes. , high volume traffic)

That’s like saying cars shouldn’t be on the road because you saw one breaking the road rules! I see cyclists do dangerous things regularly, just like I see cars do stupid things every day. But if you stick to the rules and don’t take shortcuts at the expense of your own or others’ safety, it’s perfectly feasible for cars and bikes to co-exist on the road.

I had t get used to not being able to ride in the same way here as I used to ride in the European country I grew up in. There, bikes are faster than cars most times of the day and it’s accepted by everyone to weave in and out of traffic as there’s not really any other way to go. And nobody wears a helmet.

Here I am a lot more careful. I will never negotiate big roundabouts or turns at big intersections on the bike in the car lane for example, because it’s too freaky. I will try to avoid them or cross at the pedestrian crossings.

Deckard Deckard 10:15 am 19 Jun 11

scorpio63 said :

I note that quite a few do not wear helmuts at all and prefer beanies.

I don’t think so.
I actually do ride and the only people I see riding around without helmets are bogans on their bmx’s sucking on a stubbie while smoking a cigarette.

scorpio63 scorpio63 9:40 pm 18 Jun 11

I cycle although must disagree with some posters who think that during peak hour traffic times (morning in particular around Manuka and Barton) cars and bikes can co-exist well.

No, they do not.

For instance, last week travelling through Barton at 40ks during high volume traffic, waiting lengthy periods at traffic lights, slowly passing building works and workers walking around, I encountered two people on bikes swerving from the left literally out of no-where into the direct path of another vehicle in front of me, weaving in and out of cars taking off at the green lights. In between. Not on the left, not behind other vehicles. No bright coloured clothing and blatant disrespect for all other road users.

I note that quite a few do not wear helmuts at all and prefer beanies.

When or if they fly through the air after having been hit by a vehicle, who will be the first person they or their family members blame and/or sue (after breaking the law on two counts themselves)?

.

They did not give way, whizzed and weaved in between the slower cars taking off at the lights which is illegal for any bikes. , high volume traffic)

Watson Watson 5:10 pm 13 Jun 11

Innovation said :

canberralocal said :

Cheap said :

I really think that there is no place for cyclists on the road, and I used to cycle almost every day.

Agreed. Plus, the incorporation of cycle lanes onto existing roads such as Northbourne Avenue makes already narrow roads even trickier when negotiating three lanes of traffic, plus right hand turning lanes. There large cars (ie Ford Fairlanes, Holden Statesmans) or 4WDs side by side is enough to handle without worry about some cyclist pedalling away on the left, probably oblivious to the ****fight going on next to him.

I presume that ADR’s specify maximum width of road registered vehicles and that standards specify minimum marked lane widths. If you are having trouble keeping your car in the marked lane perhaps you or your car shouldn’t be there.

+1000!

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 10:44 pm 12 Jun 11

c` said :

Gungahlin Al said :

Avoiding riding on the ridiculously narrow and dangerous Northbourne Ave “on-road cycle lane”. I am sick of ACTION bus drivers swerving towards me.

Non issue for me. The bus stops are clearly marked and I look back as I approach each to make sure I’m not going to get run down and I slow down if necessary to give the bus enough room to make the stop. They’re big. I defer to them. At the time I ride to work, you’re riding at the speed of the traffic, or much faster, anyway.

Did I say anything about them swerving at cyclists only at bus stops??

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 10:41 pm 12 Jun 11

AKT said :

Gungahlin Al said :

This morning woman walked from behind hedge straight onto footpath right in front of me without looking – missed by half metre.

Tsk Tsk Tsk…how dare those pesky pedestrians want to use the footpath. There was probably a perfectly good bike path near you or even a nice bike line on the road, but you opted for the footpath. Like so many bike riders whinge abourt cars not looking out for them…the onus is on the bike rider/s who chooses to use the footpath to watch out for pedestrians.

I’m glad your world is so black and white. Must be so much easier for you to deal with life.

She would have walked into a pedestrian as well. The problem is that she didn’t even try to look and their property allows a dense hedge to grow right next to their walkway onto the footpath – no sightline to speak of.

It’s simple – the footpath can be legally used by pedestrians, joggers and cyclists. So anyone stepping from behind a bush needs to look around themselves first.

Innovation Innovation 2:19 pm 12 Jun 11

canberralocal said :

Cheap said :

I really think that there is no place for cyclists on the road, and I used to cycle almost every day.

Agreed. Plus, the incorporation of cycle lanes onto existing roads such as Northbourne Avenue makes already narrow roads even trickier when negotiating three lanes of traffic, plus right hand turning lanes. There large cars (ie Ford Fairlanes, Holden Statesmans) or 4WDs side by side is enough to handle without worry about some cyclist pedalling away on the left, probably oblivious to the ****fight going on next to him.

I presume that ADR’s specify maximum width of road registered vehicles and that standards specify minimum marked lane widths. If you are having trouble keeping your car in the marked lane perhaps you or your car shouldn’t be there.

Watson Watson 8:13 am 12 Jun 11

canberralocal said :

Cheap said :

I really think that there is no place for cyclists on the road, and I used to cycle almost every day.

Agreed. Plus, the incorporation of cycle lanes onto existing roads such as Northbourne Avenue makes already narrow roads even trickier when negotiating three lanes of traffic, plus right hand turning lanes. There large cars (ie Ford Fairlanes, Holden Statesmans) or 4WDs side by side is enough to handle without worry about some cyclist pedalling away on the left, probably oblivious to the ****fight going on next to him.

When I read the reactions on topics like this, I find most Canberrans sound like spoiled children.

I’ve never had an issue with the lane widths on that road. And even if you do find it scary to drive next to a bus or truck or 4WD or whatever there, it shouldn’t matter if there’s a cyclists on the bike lane because there’s a big white fat line between that and the car lane and all you have to do is to not go over it.

canberralocal canberralocal 5:07 pm 11 Jun 11

Cheap said :

I really think that there is no place for cyclists on the road, and I used to cycle almost every day.

Agreed. Plus, the incorporation of cycle lanes onto existing roads such as Northbourne Avenue makes already narrow roads even trickier when negotiating three lanes of traffic, plus right hand turning lanes. There large cars (ie Ford Fairlanes, Holden Statesmans) or 4WDs side by side is enough to handle without worry about some cyclist pedalling away on the left, probably oblivious to the ****fight going on next to him.

AKT AKT 11:36 pm 09 Jun 11

Gungahlin Al said :

This morning woman walked from behind hedge straight onto footpath right in front of me without looking – missed by half metre.

Tsk Tsk Tsk…how dare those pesky pedestrians want to use the footpath. There was probably a perfectly good bike path near you or even a nice bike line on the road, but you opted for the footpath. Like so many bike riders whinge abourt cars not looking out for them…the onus is on the bike rider/s who chooses to use the footpath to watch out for pedestrians.

Deref Deref 5:25 pm 09 Jun 11

Classified said :

Canberra roads would be far safer if people were more interested in asserting intelligent thought than legal rights.

+1

Excellent observation.

Innovation Innovation 5:11 pm 09 Jun 11

What was the speed limit where this guy got hit? 60 or 80km/h?

I agree that there is an increased risk for bicycles in on road bike lanes on faster flowing roads. But I don’t think that means a cyclist is insane if they choose to ride there. Are pedestrians walking along the sides of roads (or crossing roads) insane and, as someone pointed out earlier, are drivers of small cars insane because they have to share the roads with semis?

If you all can’t “play” nicely with the cyclists, pedestrians and slow car drivers on the roads then I suggest you all get punished. How about the left hand lane of any road that is adjacent to a cycle lane is speed limited to 50km/h?

aronde aronde 4:57 pm 09 Jun 11

Funny video highlighting some of the issues where bike lanes are not segregated from the rest of the traffic –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bzE-IMaegzQ

Solidarity Solidarity 4:16 pm 09 Jun 11

I am all for these segregated lanes as long as they build onto the side of the road, and not just add an extra lane within the confines of the already existing lanes. I drive a Ford Galaxie, this habit of just chucking a bike lane in and squishing the existing lanes is really becoming a pain in the ass.

Classified Classified 4:12 pm 09 Jun 11

Canberra roads would be far safer if people were more interested in asserting intelligent thought than legal rights.

Grail Grail 3:39 pm 09 Jun 11

BicycleCanberra said :

If we had a ‘cycling lobby group’ who supported international best practice then maybe things might have been different.

Seek and ye shall find: Pedal Power, a Canberran cyclist lobby group.

And yes, Pedal Power and The ACT Greens are pushing the issue of Copenhagen style cycle lanes. I’ve seen this style of cycle path in Amsterdam too. If you think Canberran cyclists are pushy, just spend a week in Amsterdam (and remember that in Amsterdam, motor scooters can use cycle lanes too 🙂

(previous reporting on Copenhagen style paths right here on the RiotACT).

Grail Grail 3:30 pm 09 Jun 11

Bazza62 said :

It’s dangerous enough driving a car in Canberra, let alone riding a bicycle. I saw an idiot riding his bicycle on Melrose drive today with a child in tow in a small covered bicycle trailer. I hope they got to their destination safely.

How did you know he was an idiot? Was he carrying a sign?

Bazza62 Bazza62 3:15 pm 09 Jun 11

Yeh, he definitely had a child in the trailer.

He was attached to the trailer by a long bar that made his bike and the trailer probably a little longer than a medium-sized car. I hope he makes allowances for the extra length. And remembers the child is there.

Watson Watson 2:25 pm 09 Jun 11

c` said :

The bus stops are clearly marked and I look back as I approach each to make sure I’m not going to get run down and I slow down if necessary to give the bus enough room to make the stop.

Ah, they should make mirrors on bikes mandatory, I reckon! I wouldn’t ride without one anymore. Had the same situation on Northbourne this morning, saw the bus approaching in my mirror when I was fairly close to the bus stop and decided to slow down, give him space to stop and wait behind it till it took off again. Common sense indeed. And way less annoying than having to ride close to parked cars, especially at drop-off spots!

c` c` 1:17 pm 09 Jun 11

Gungahlin Al said :

Avoiding riding on the ridiculously narrow and dangerous Northbourne Ave “on-road cycle lane”. I am sick of ACTION bus drivers swerving towards me.

Non issue for me. The bus stops are clearly marked and I look back as I approach each to make sure I’m not going to get run down and I slow down if necessary to give the bus enough room to make the stop. They’re big. I defer to them. At the time I ride to work, you’re riding at the speed of the traffic, or much faster, anyway.

I do make an apology for nearly getting run down on Mort street, this morning. I was riding near the kerb alongside stopped traffic but did not notice a car had left a opening for someone to turn across the traffic into a driveway. I should have been wearing brown pants.

So, to Black SUV Ute thing guy, sorry. Both you and me were trying to occupy the same point in space-time

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