Cyclists taking over the mountain roads on Saturday

johnboy 9 August 2012 65

Territory and Municipal Services are warning that the Canberra Cycling Club are racing this weekend:

The ACT Government wishes to advise motorists and other road users of possible traffic disruptions along Uriarra Road and Brindabella Road from 1 pm to 5 pm on Saturday 11 August 2012 to allow for the Canberra Cycling Club road race.

Warning signs will be erected to alert people of the cycle race.

Reduced speed limits will be in place on the affected road for the duration of the event.


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Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 6:09 pm 12 Aug 12

troutfisher said :

“It’s bad enough when people are asked to share the roads with cyclists or whatever.”

or answer a question

Quite.

Your original post was pretty simple to comprehend. I’m surprised at some of the people who struggled with it.

Even better that it was in an attempt to mount a high horse as well, haha.

Jono Jono 1:58 pm 12 Aug 12

Silentforce said :

I thought that the purpose of the Velodrome at Narrabundah was for cycle racing. Safe, off-road and purpose built. If it is no longer required, perhaps Katy could offer up the site for more apartment complexes. Canberra needs more apartments.

Yep – the same “logic” says that they should get rid of the running track at Stromlo since they’re not using that for the Canberra Times fun run in a month or so, but are closing public roads instead.

jb1964 jb1964 1:57 pm 12 Aug 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Appears to be a lot of half wits here.

Pretty simple, obey the road rules wether on bike or in a car.

Troutfisher, if I were you, I would have just kept going slower.

+1

patrick_keogh patrick_keogh 1:51 pm 12 Aug 12

Silentforce said :

I thought that the purpose of the Velodrome at Narrabundah was for cycle racing. Safe, off-road and purpose built.

Yes we tried that. Unfortunately the downhill MTB races are very short (about five metres from the start to the finish. The cross country MTB races were fine although the riders complained about dizziness because the infield of the velodrome only allowed for a 200 metre circuit and it wasn’t very technical. For the road races we thought that the steep climb would make a selection in the field much as the French Alps do in the Tour de France but although the climb was steep it was only four metres long. There was a bold plan to incorporate a BMX track in the infield too, but after one test ride the idea was abandoned because three riders accidentally jumped right out of the velodrome and were never seen again.

What we did find though was that it was fairly suitable for track racing. Back in its day it attracted a fair amount of racing. A student of cycle racing such as yourself must have noticed that these days all top class velodromes are indoor. The old Canberra concrete track, with all its bumps and cracks is steadily deteriorating and probably one day it will be closed. Then the site can be used for apartments.

Silentforce Silentforce 9:03 am 12 Aug 12

I thought that the purpose of the Velodrome at Narrabundah was for cycle racing. Safe, off-road and purpose built. If it is no longer required, perhaps Katy could offer up the site for more apartment complexes. Canberra needs more apartments.

dazzab dazzab 8:34 am 12 Aug 12

Kath said :

dazzab said :

Like the author of post #1 I often times wonder if I could get a road closed for my own entertainment as well. I don’t know who the Pedal Power lobbyists are sleeping with to accomplish this but they must be damn good in bed.

More likely to be Canberra Cycling Club lobbyists – they’re a bike racing club. I think Pedal Power is more about getting regular people riding without being run down by raving loonies.

Thanks for that correction. My apologies to Pedal Power.

milkman milkman 6:54 am 12 Aug 12

troutfisher said :

Milkman said
“No problems. I assume you’ll have no problems with a car race on public roads with cyclists around then (of course, the cyclists will be expected to ‘share the road’)?:”

As a matter of fact I would have an issue with cars using the public roads for a race, in fact I will go so far as to assume for you (it seems only fair as you made some stupid assumtion about me) would not agree it was a good idea either, if the roads were open to and used by the public.

And here in lays the crux of what you are failing to conceive, PUBLIC ROADS THAT ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. When the car races were run near Parliament House, the roads were shut to the public, I will say it agin so you can grasp it, shut to the public meaning that they were not and would not have been sharing it with cyclists. Unless you can understand that simple fact, you are not anywhere the solution to the issue I raised but merely a part of the problem.

Now re read again, I have no issue with the races, never said anywhere in this thread that I did, it was the snippets grabbed by people who then later failed to answer a simple question when they obvioulsy realised that their argument was flawed that have.

Um, I was agreeing with you and having a go at people who thought it was OK to race on roads that are open to the public…

troutfisher troutfisher 11:02 pm 11 Aug 12

Milkman said
“No problems. I assume you’ll have no problems with a car race on public roads with cyclists around then (of course, the cyclists will be expected to ‘share the road’)?:”

As a matter of fact I would have an issue with cars using the public roads for a race, in fact I will go so far as to assume for you (it seems only fair as you made some stupid assumtion about me) would not agree it was a good idea either, if the roads were open to and used by the public.

And here in lays the crux of what you are failing to conceive, PUBLIC ROADS THAT ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. When the car races were run near Parliament House, the roads were shut to the public, I will say it agin so you can grasp it, shut to the public meaning that they were not and would not have been sharing it with cyclists. Unless you can understand that simple fact, you are not anywhere the solution to the issue I raised but merely a part of the problem.

Now re read again, I have no issue with the races, never said anywhere in this thread that I did, it was the snippets grabbed by people who then later failed to answer a simple question when they obvioulsy realised that their argument was flawed that have.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 8:57 am 11 Aug 12

Appears to be a lot of half wits here.

Pretty simple, obey the road rules wether on bike or in a car.

Troutfisher, if I were you, I would have just kept going slower.

milkman milkman 6:46 am 11 Aug 12

Baldy said :

troutfisher said :

Thats very good Jim, but now please take your training wheels off and answer my question, ARE THE CYCLIST OBLIGED BY LAW TO OBSERVE THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT, the speed limit that were put down for then race through the agreement between the Government the cycling overlords. Then go back to my original post and read the part where I have no issue with the roads being used for races or the slight inconvience it causes.

My issue and only point was that unless ALL uses of the raod observed the rules someone would be killed

You do understand the concept of “Race” don’t you. You must get really mad at all those olympic competitors going over the speed limit then.

No problems. I assume you’ll have no problems with a car race on public roads with cyclists around then (of course, the cyclists will be expected to ‘share the road’)?

I suspect you see the problem, no-one is really that stupid.

troutfisher troutfisher 12:04 am 11 Aug 12

Baldy said:
“You do understand the concept of “Race” don’t you. You must get really mad at all those olympic competitors going over the speed limit then.”

I may well do if in fact they were racing on a road open to and used by the public and they decided to abuse me because I was doing the speed limit As set out by the Government in conjunction with the race officials) in an area where you cannot pull over. I suspect the olympic competitors you speak of are racing on roads closed to every one else.

I do understand the concept of race, do you have a concept of the word comprehension, when you look it up and understand what it means (irony), re read my original posting. I will spell it out for you, I don’t have an issue sharing the road, it would however appear some of the road racing fraternity do. If you believe the sport generates that much interest and holds that much support (including political) put in a proposal to get the road shut for the races, but when you realise you are not that special, please seek professional support as it may very well shatter your view on realism.

andrewbt andrewbt 7:14 pm 10 Aug 12

troutfisher said :

ARE THE CYCLISTS IMMUNE FROM THE SPEED LIMITS

No, It’s still an open road, so Road Rules still apply. They are enforced in events where the AFP are present and it is expected that the cyclists will get up to speeds exceeding the posted speed limit

Jim Jones said :

Here’s a subtle hint: bike RACE

Doesn’t matter – On Open Roads, we’re still obliged to obey the speed limits.

Baldy Baldy 4:30 pm 10 Aug 12

jb1964 said :

HenryBG said :

troutfisher said :

As a regular user of the roads used by the race meetings I am a little curious as to whether the cyclists are required to observe the temporary road speed limits (in place for the race). Not long ago I was waved through between heats but after stopping to take a phone call the race behind me caught up as I was heading into the Uriarra crossing area (for those not familiar with it it is a long downhill run) where the posted speed had been dropped back.
I slowed to the required speed only to have cyclists overtake me, over unboken lines while abusing me for slowing them down.
To top that off further up the Brindabella road (near what appears to be a turn around point) some woman jumps out on the road, no safety coloured equipment, not signs and I suspect no real official capacity and waves me down to tell me there is a bike race on. Well done, would never have picked it based on the number of bikes I had seen by then.
Happy to share the road and the slight inconvience is easily dealt with, but someone will get killed again if the rules are not observed by ALL road users while these races are on

Same here – I’ve been out there when these idiots are (mis-)using the public road – all over the road and speeding. I’ve seen support vehicles deliberately obstructing the road by driving straddling the centre lane.

A couple of years ago a poor lady driving a Taraga was hit head-on by an idiot cyclist who was cutting a corner on the wrong side of the road.

Your post makes me think, though – if enough of us are out using these roads at the right times, then we may be able to ruin their stupid misuse of our roads. It’s a tempting thought. EWe should invite the guys with the Backhoes from the Tuggeranong Parkway to join it the fun.

You make an interesting point perhaps it would be better to just close the road to all non race traffic

You know, I learnt how to share my toys when I was 3.

Just saying

Baldy Baldy 4:29 pm 10 Aug 12

troutfisher said :

Thats very good Jim, but now please take your training wheels off and answer my question, ARE THE CYCLIST OBLIGED BY LAW TO OBSERVE THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT, the speed limit that were put down for then race through the agreement between the Government the cycling overlords. Then go back to my original post and read the part where I have no issue with the roads being used for races or the slight inconvience it causes.

My issue and only point was that unless ALL uses of the raod observed the rules someone would be killed

You do understand the concept of “Race” don’t you. You must get really mad at all those olympic competitors going over the speed limit then.

Baldy Baldy 4:27 pm 10 Aug 12

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Jim Jones said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Jim Jones said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Grrrr said :

You were caught by the bike race and could’t be bothered with pulling over to get out of their way? Sounds like you deserved of all the abuse you received.

Whoa – hang on a tick. There have been a number of threads on RiotACT where the consensus seems to be that when someone in a car is caught by slower traffic it’s up to the slower traffic to be patient and wait, but if it’s cyclists catch up it’s up to the driver to pull over?

Hmm…

Here’s a subtle hint: bike RACE

Here’s a subtle hint in return: PUBLIC ROADS

Ah, that’s right, ‘public’ being Latin for “bow down before your automotive overlords”.

Translation: “you make a good point”.

Blink blibk.

Hang on. This looks strangly on a reasonable conversation in RA where two people discuss something and some actually agrees the other side has a point.

this happens?

Baldy Baldy 4:24 pm 10 Aug 12

HenryBG said :

troutfisher said :

As a regular user of the roads used by the race meetings I am a little curious as to whether the cyclists are required to observe the temporary road speed limits (in place for the race). Not long ago I was waved through between heats but after stopping to take a phone call the race behind me caught up as I was heading into the Uriarra crossing area (for those not familiar with it it is a long downhill run) where the posted speed had been dropped back.
I slowed to the required speed only to have cyclists overtake me, over unboken lines while abusing me for slowing them down.
To top that off further up the Brindabella road (near what appears to be a turn around point) some woman jumps out on the road, no safety coloured equipment, not signs and I suspect no real official capacity and waves me down to tell me there is a bike race on. Well done, would never have picked it based on the number of bikes I had seen by then.
Happy to share the road and the slight inconvience is easily dealt with, but someone will get killed again if the rules are not observed by ALL road users while these races are on

Same here – I’ve been out there when these idiots are (mis-)using the public road – all over the road and speeding. I’ve seen support vehicles deliberately obstructing the road by driving straddling the centre lane.

A couple of years ago a poor lady driving a Taraga was hit head-on by an idiot cyclist who was cutting a corner on the wrong side of the road.

Your post makes me think, though – if enough of us are out using these roads at the right times, then we may be able to ruin their stupid misuse of our roads. It’s a tempting thought. EWe should invite the guys with the Backhoes from the Tuggeranong Parkway to join it the fun.

Cyclist hits a car = poor car driver.

Yeah I can see where this thought pattern is heading.

troutfisher troutfisher 4:05 pm 10 Aug 12

“It’s bad enough when people are asked to share the roads with cyclists or whatever.”

or answer a question

dpm dpm 4:01 pm 10 Aug 12

HenryBG said :

troutfisher said :

As a regular user of the roads used by the race meetings I am a little curious as to whether the cyclists are required to observe the temporary road speed limits (in place for the race). Not long ago I was waved through between heats but after stopping to take a phone call the race behind me caught up as I was heading into the Uriarra crossing area (for those not familiar with it it is a long downhill run) where the posted speed had been dropped back.
I slowed to the required speed only to have cyclists overtake me, over unboken lines while abusing me for slowing them down.
To top that off further up the Brindabella road (near what appears to be a turn around point) some woman jumps out on the road, no safety coloured equipment, not signs and I suspect no real official capacity and waves me down to tell me there is a bike race on. Well done, would never have picked it based on the number of bikes I had seen by then.
Happy to share the road and the slight inconvience is easily dealt with, but someone will get killed again if the rules are not observed by ALL road users while these races are on

Same here – I’ve been out there when these idiots are (mis-)using the public road – all over the road and speeding. I’ve seen support vehicles deliberately obstructing the road by driving straddling the centre lane.

A couple of years ago a poor lady driving a Taraga was hit head-on by an idiot cyclist who was cutting a corner on the wrong side of the road.

Your post makes me think, though – if enough of us are out using these roads at the right times, then we may be able to ruin their stupid misuse of our roads. It’s a tempting thought. EWe should invite the guys with the Backhoes from the Tuggeranong Parkway to join it the fun.

Hahaha! Good to see you’d rather spend your weekend ruining someone else’s fun, rather than living your own life! Hahahahaha! Winning Henry, winning! Sounds like you’ve got a couple of helpers too: Jimbob87 and VYBerlinaV8! You 3 should do it and tell us all about how much fun it was on Monday!
Kinda sounds like a mini convoy of no confidence! Hahahaha!

At the very least, this reminder of a previous story will make you happy: http://the-riotact.com/police-kibosh-the-canberra-tour/77972
Victory!!

Jim Jones Jim Jones 3:56 pm 10 Aug 12

jb1964 said :

HenryBG said :

troutfisher said :

As a regular user of the roads used by the race meetings I am a little curious as to whether the cyclists are required to observe the temporary road speed limits (in place for the race). Not long ago I was waved through between heats but after stopping to take a phone call the race behind me caught up as I was heading into the Uriarra crossing area (for those not familiar with it it is a long downhill run) where the posted speed had been dropped back.
I slowed to the required speed only to have cyclists overtake me, over unboken lines while abusing me for slowing them down.
To top that off further up the Brindabella road (near what appears to be a turn around point) some woman jumps out on the road, no safety coloured equipment, not signs and I suspect no real official capacity and waves me down to tell me there is a bike race on. Well done, would never have picked it based on the number of bikes I had seen by then.
Happy to share the road and the slight inconvience is easily dealt with, but someone will get killed again if the rules are not observed by ALL road users while these races are on

Same here – I’ve been out there when these idiots are (mis-)using the public road – all over the road and speeding. I’ve seen support vehicles deliberately obstructing the road by driving straddling the centre lane.

A couple of years ago a poor lady driving a Taraga was hit head-on by an idiot cyclist who was cutting a corner on the wrong side of the road.

Your post makes me think, though – if enough of us are out using these roads at the right times, then we may be able to ruin their stupid misuse of our roads. It’s a tempting thought. EWe should invite the guys with the Backhoes from the Tuggeranong Parkway to join it the fun.

You make an interesting point perhaps it would be better to just close the road to all non race traffic

Can you imagine the whinging if that happened?

It’s bad enough when people are asked to share the roads with cyclists or whatever.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back VYBerlinaV8_is_back 3:56 pm 10 Aug 12

Grrrr said :

So you want to be disruptive on the road while the race is on, presumably resulting in CCC having to pay more to close the road completely to other traffic … thus depriving you of it’s use entirely for the duration? Someone needs to go back to Kindergarten and stay there until they’ve learnt to share the toys!

And someone else needs to remember that regardless of whether it’s a race or not, using public roads at a time when they are available for the public to use requires you to obey the rules. If you don’t want to share, or can’t obey the rules, either take it somewhere else or shut the road completely.

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