15 November 2011

Cyclists vs dog owners

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Cyclists vs motorists was so yesterday so why don’t we move on to cyclists vs dog owners. With dogs being required to be kept on leash when not in designated doggie areas, what options does a cyclist have when dog owners let their off leash dogs run in front of cyclists riding safely and sensibly on bike paths through parks?

– Kick the back end out and bump the dog out of the way?

– Try and jump the dog with/without leaving tread marks on the dogs back?

– Question a male dog owner’s masculinity if they have a small girly dog?

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Dogs owners versus cyclists! What a joke. Both are as bad as each other. Why do grown men need to ride on footpaths when they have cycle lanes?
Rude, arrogant and abusive cyclists think they are more important than anyone.
In NSW children 12years and under ride on footpaths not adults. Recently saw a police officer in Temora speak to a young boy because he rode his bike across a crossing. Our comment was must be from Canbera. No rules, no respect seems to be canberan way.

OpenYourMind said :

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Here’s the thing. You are walking on shared pathway. Keep to the left, keep your dog on a leash on your left, keep control of your kids (I have a two year old and I know it’s not always easy, but nothing with a toddler is), so long as you do all that it really doesn’t matter whether a cyclist signals their approach or not or how fast they are going, everyone will get along fine.

A cyclist will always seem to be travelling fast when they overtake you and you are walking at approx 4km/h. Just keep to the damn left. Us cyclists often have bicycles more expensive than cheaper cars, we often know how much it hurts to crash. We will do everything we can to avoid hitting you, your uncontrolled dog or child. If we didn’t, there would be far more accidents than there are.

It’s just not that complicated. We all need to share.

Actually, it really does matter if you signal or not.

I have two ex-pound mutts. They are only ever walked on lead near any path. One of them is a pretty mellow dog. The other seems like she had a rough past – any sudden noises, movements, etc. she loses her %%%&&. Plain flips out.

If I know you’re coming up behind me, the lead is shortened and we move off the path. If I don’t know you’re coming, neither does Pip. As you say, 10kms an hour is fast when you’re walking at half the pace. When you come flying by without warning, she panics. Every.Single.Time. Most of the time, she tries to get behind me. Sometimes, for reasons entirely unknown to me, she’ll jump out into the middle of the path. I’ve already fallen once because some weekend warrior couldn’t be assed ringing at 6am on a Sat morning.

i don’t want to get in your way, I want to get out of it. By ringing, you make it possible for me to do that. You’re right, all we to do is share. I’ll get out of your way, if you can let me know you’re coming. Is ringing a bell on a shared path really that much hassle?

OpenYourMind said :

Walker said :

Brakes aren’t hard to find, early on, as necessary. To walking pace if necessary, and especially if there’s unpredictable people or animals about. It’s not hard.

Adapt to conditions, universal law on any means of transport. No mystery.

Because I’m sure you slow to the pace of a cyclist every time you pass one on the road.

Here’s the thing. You are walking on shared pathway. Keep to the left, keep your dog on a leash on your left, keep control of your kids (I have a two year old and I know it’s not always easy, but nothing with a toddler is), so long as you do all that it really doesn’t matter whether a cyclist signals their approach or not or how fast they are going, everyone will get along fine.

A cyclist will always seem to be travelling fast when they overtake you and you are walking at approx 4km/h. Just keep to the damn left. Us cyclists often have bicycles more expensive than cheaper cars, we often know how much it hurts to crash. We will do everything we can to avoid hitting you, your uncontrolled dog or child. If we didn’t, there would be far more accidents than there are.

It’s just not that complicated. We all need to share.

I ride about 10,000km/year – plenty of it on cycleways. I can tell you that pedestrians don’t hear bells and don’t react to bells. It might seem rude when I yell bike, but it’s the most affective means possible to alert you that I’m approaching. For single joggers and walkers, I sometimes don’t even do that as there is no need to. If a jogger or walker (and I’m also both of those at times as well as a resonsible dog owner) is startled, well what the Hell did they expect, it’s a shared cycleway. Bicycles will come past.

Stop bitching, keep left, keep your dogs and kids to your left and in control. Either way, us cyclists will be working much harder than you could ever imagine to ensure that you don’t end up under our expensive carbon fibre wheels.

So what you’re saying is… adapt to conditions? Which is what I said. I was hoping to be simpler about it, for clarity, but it seems that didn’t work.

I am a regular cyclist.

Everyone, take a chill… this riding lycra whatever business is too amped up. (Part of the problem is how people think of it, it skews matters).

I didn’t mean to say we should slow to walking pace every time we see a flea.

I just meant that sometimes, if a situation calls for it, for whatever reason it works out there’s an assortment of random things in a crazy combination in the path and nothing else for it, regardless of who’s in the right, and if it doesn’t happen that often, I’ll just slow down. Yelling out works ok in most cases, like you say, but now and then it’s just too far tangled to be unknotted in time, or a parent has too many loose ends around to sort it fast enough. I’ll slow down and if they’re still all over the shop, I’ll go walking speed so they don’t have to panic about it further.

Not often it works out like that but sometimes it does. Hence, to the conditions.

At any rate looks like neither of us will ever run anything over.

The Riot-Act. Because every situation in life can be improved by being the bigger f**kwit.

SupaSal said :

vet111 said :

KB1971 said :

Its simple, dog chases me, dog gets a kick in the head.

The dog should be on a lead on the path. Mind you they are more predictable than people & usually notice you earlier, make eye contact & avoid you.

I have less of a problem with dogs off lead than I do for their owners.

So let me get this right, if you are riding your bike through an off-leash area and a dog is in your way, you’re going to kick the dog?

You’re a dick.

I personally think having a cycle path through an off-leash area is a bloody stupid idea, but that’s the ACT council for ya…

Agree with all other comments though about keeping dogs on leashes in areas not designated as off-leash. Provided cyclists give enough notice that they’re coming through, it should be happy days for cyclists, dogs and owners alike. Surely it’s common sense?

Dick is an understatement, We had our Staffy Ridgeback on a lead, was kick in the head and rear legs by a cyclist, Cyclist got my arm across their neck, and now have to walk him with a hulty on double leads, he did not attempt to go the rider but now he does and foams at the mouth trying to eat them.

It’s Riders like this that make me want to let the dog off and let him do to them what they deserve, Rip them to shreads.

I will add that our boy is great with kids in the yard when they are playing on their bikes.

*rolls eyes*…

Did you actually read what I said? Did you read any of my further responses to Vet111’s comment you have quoted?

I feel fo you if your dog was kicked while it was on lead as you were doing the right thing but did i say anywhere in this thread that I go around kicking dogs randomly? No, that is your assumption.

& if you do encourage your dog to attack someone, anyone, I hope you are hit with the full force that the law allows.

OpenYourMind11:30 pm 06 Mar 14

Walker said :

Brakes aren’t hard to find, early on, as necessary. To walking pace if necessary, and especially if there’s unpredictable people or animals about. It’s not hard.

Adapt to conditions, universal law on any means of transport. No mystery.

Because I’m sure you slow to the pace of a cyclist every time you pass one on the road.

Here’s the thing. You are walking on shared pathway. Keep to the left, keep your dog on a leash on your left, keep control of your kids (I have a two year old and I know it’s not always easy, but nothing with a toddler is), so long as you do all that it really doesn’t matter whether a cyclist signals their approach or not or how fast they are going, everyone will get along fine.

A cyclist will always seem to be travelling fast when they overtake you and you are walking at approx 4km/h. Just keep to the damn left. Us cyclists often have bicycles more expensive than cheaper cars, we often know how much it hurts to crash. We will do everything we can to avoid hitting you, your uncontrolled dog or child. If we didn’t, there would be far more accidents than there are.

It’s just not that complicated. We all need to share.

I ride about 10,000km/year – plenty of it on cycleways. I can tell you that pedestrians don’t hear bells and don’t react to bells. It might seem rude when I yell bike, but it’s the most affective means possible to alert you that I’m approaching. For single joggers and walkers, I sometimes don’t even do that as there is no need to. If a jogger or walker (and I’m also both of those at times as well as a resonsible dog owner) is startled, well what the Hell did they expect, it’s a shared cycleway. Bicycles will come past.

Stop bitching, keep left, keep your dogs and kids to your left and in control. Either way, us cyclists will be working much harder than you could ever imagine to ensure that you don’t end up under our expensive carbon fibre wheels.

vet111 said :

KB1971 said :

Its simple, dog chases me, dog gets a kick in the head.

The dog should be on a lead on the path. Mind you they are more predictable than people & usually notice you earlier, make eye contact & avoid you.

I have less of a problem with dogs off lead than I do for their owners.

So let me get this right, if you are riding your bike through an off-leash area and a dog is in your way, you’re going to kick the dog?

You’re a dick.

I personally think having a cycle path through an off-leash area is a bloody stupid idea, but that’s the ACT council for ya…

Agree with all other comments though about keeping dogs on leashes in areas not designated as off-leash. Provided cyclists give enough notice that they’re coming through, it should be happy days for cyclists, dogs and owners alike. Surely it’s common sense?

Dick is an understatement, We had our Staffy Ridgeback on a lead, was kick in the head and rear legs by a cyclist, Cyclist got my arm across their neck, and now have to walk him with a hulty on double leads, he did not attempt to go the rider but now he does and foams at the mouth trying to eat them.

It’s Riders like this that make me want to let the dog off and let him do to them what they deserve, Rip them to shreads.

I will add that our boy is great with kids in the yard when they are playing on their bikes.

Brakes aren’t hard to find, early on, as necessary. To walking pace if necessary, and especially if there’s unpredictable people or animals about. It’s not hard.

Adapt to conditions, universal law on any means of transport. No mystery.

tim_c said :

Jimbo311 said :

or

– Use appropriate warning of the cyclist’s presence – Eg use the bike bell – that’s what it’s there for.

I am a dog owner and have my dog’s off leash in an off leash area, where there also happens to be a bicycle/pedestrian path. When walking my dogs I am always conscious of both people/cyclists in front and behind me, and will then leash the dogs, or move the dogs off the path of impending traffic.

However, countless times, cyclists who seem to be on some sort of time trial exercise (wearing those oh so fashionable tour-de-france road jerseys (don’t get me started on this)), come tearing around a corner and then use expletives because I hadn’t moved the dogs out of the way (this also applies to people trying to enjoy a peaceful walk, how many times I have seen the same thing happen to pedestrians almost being bowled over), all because the cyclist is too tight to buy a $5 bike bell (either that or they probably think the bike bell doesn’t give them street-cred)

If cyclists signalled their impending presence with a bike bell then they would probably not have this problem.

Maybe they didn’t know they had to announce their impending presence because they didn’t see you there because you hadn’t announced your presence….

And why should a person using a bike on a bike path have to announce their presence? Isn’t that a bit like cyclists scattering themselves all over the road and only moving out of the way when a person using a car announces their presence using the warning device fitted, afterall, that’s what it’s there for, isn’t it?

And how much notice do I have to give to allow you time to react, chase your dog down and get the leash on? I’d guess probably a bit longer than you’d want to wait in your car for a bunch of cyclists to get out of your way. If it’s a bike path, there are likely to be bikes on it, they shouldn’t have to announce their presence. Is it people like you that cause McDonald’s etc. to have to put warnings on their hot coffee, announcing that it’s, well, hot?

Most cyclists I see on the bike paths are commuting – they’re not doing time trials any more than most car drivers using the road to get to/from work. If I wanted to spend all morning/evening commuting to/from work, I’d take my car and sit in traffic like everyone else.

After having a few dogs run under my wheels, if I have to take evasive action to avoid running over either the wayward dog or its irresponsible owner, guess which one I’ll choose? Hint, it’s not the dog’s fault the dog isn’t on a leash.

Exactly! Theres no place for common courtesy when the gangs take over the roads. Why should someone on a bike have to move his thumb anything up to an inch to give you an indication he is coming? People walking should learn to walk backwards so that they can see their betters as they approach. NO room for compromise is this kill or be killed world of leisure.

JacquieE said :

Oh Get Over It. Yesterday I was walking my dogs along a bike track … one lycra’d boy racer zoomed past. No bell. No warning. The World was his Oyster and it was All About Him. Then, another of the same breed zapped past … chatting on his handless phone (isn’t that an offence??). Now, you don’t need a crystal ball to imagine a young mum, with a toddler and a baby in a stroller … a little winding bit of track, a little rise and dip … toddler toddling … pffffft. Gone. Really, bike riders give me the screaming s&*^s. They think they don’t need to stop & get off the bike to cross a road. They zip across, ignoring motorists and anyone else foolish enough to get in the way. They’re SUPER-CYCLISTS in lycra (only missing the cape, actually). Driving to Uriarra is now made horrendous by hordes of similarly attired cycling enthusiasts, who fail to move to the side of the road & for all intents and purposes are attempting to cause accidents. No, wait, they’re self obsessed brainless oafs … that’s what.

It’s a shame you don’t see the irony – you expect to be able to use the whole width of the bike path so faster traffic can’t get past, then you get into your car you berate other people for doing exactly what you’ve been doing – ie. not keeping out of the way of faster traffic.

Yesterday I was riding along the road … one tracksuited mother racer zoomed past. No horn. No warning. The World was her Oyster and it was All About Her.

Cycling on cycleways is now made horrendous by hordes of similarly attired dog/child enthusiasts, who fail to move to the side of the cycleway and for all intents and purposes are attempting to cause accidents.

Jimbo311 said :

or

– Use appropriate warning of the cyclist’s presence – Eg use the bike bell – that’s what it’s there for.

I am a dog owner and have my dog’s off leash in an off leash area, where there also happens to be a bicycle/pedestrian path. When walking my dogs I am always conscious of both people/cyclists in front and behind me, and will then leash the dogs, or move the dogs off the path of impending traffic.

However, countless times, cyclists who seem to be on some sort of time trial exercise (wearing those oh so fashionable tour-de-france road jerseys (don’t get me started on this)), come tearing around a corner and then use expletives because I hadn’t moved the dogs out of the way (this also applies to people trying to enjoy a peaceful walk, how many times I have seen the same thing happen to pedestrians almost being bowled over), all because the cyclist is too tight to buy a $5 bike bell (either that or they probably think the bike bell doesn’t give them street-cred)

If cyclists signalled their impending presence with a bike bell then they would probably not have this problem.

Maybe they didn’t know they had to announce their impending presence because they didn’t see you there because you hadn’t announced your presence….

And why should a person using a bike on a bike path have to announce their presence? Isn’t that a bit like cyclists scattering themselves all over the road and only moving out of the way when a person using a car announces their presence using the warning device fitted, afterall, that’s what it’s there for, isn’t it?

And how much notice do I have to give to allow you time to react, chase your dog down and get the leash on? I’d guess probably a bit longer than you’d want to wait in your car for a bunch of cyclists to get out of your way. If it’s a bike path, there are likely to be bikes on it, they shouldn’t have to announce their presence. Is it people like you that cause McDonald’s etc. to have to put warnings on their hot coffee, announcing that it’s, well, hot?

Most cyclists I see on the bike paths are commuting – they’re not doing time trials any more than most car drivers using the road to get to/from work. If I wanted to spend all morning/evening commuting to/from work, I’d take my car and sit in traffic like everyone else.

After having a few dogs run under my wheels, if I have to take evasive action to avoid running over either the wayward dog or its irresponsible owner, guess which one I’ll choose? Hint, it’s not the dog’s fault the dog isn’t on a leash.

fromthecapital11:52 am 06 Mar 14

JacquieE said :

Oh Get Over It. Yesterday I was walking my dogs along a bike track … one lycra’d boy racer zoomed past. No bell. No warning. The World was his Oyster and it was All About Him. Then, another of the same breed zapped past … chatting on his handless phone (isn’t that an offence??). Now, you don’t need a crystal ball to imagine a young mum, with a toddler and a baby in a stroller … a little winding bit of track, a little rise and dip … toddler toddling … pffffft. Gone. Really, bike riders give me the screaming s&*^s. They think they don’t need to stop & get off the bike to cross a road. They zip across, ignoring motorists and anyone else foolish enough to get in the way. They’re SUPER-CYCLISTS in lycra (only missing the cape, actually). Driving to Uriarra is now made horrendous by hordes of similarly attired cycling enthusiasts, who fail to move to the side of the road & for all intents and purposes are attempting to cause accidents. No, wait, they’re self obsessed brainless oafs … that’s what.

R U OK?

Why is everyone so mean to cyclists. They’re so unpretentious and chill.

The Traineediplomat8:23 pm 05 Mar 14

Hello I’m a sick horse, well a really sick horse, actually I’m dead, but the good thing is I’m friendly…well masochistic, please flog me….

goody658 said :

JacquieE said :

Oh Get Over It. Yesterday I was walking my dogs along a bike track … one lycra’d boy racer zoomed past. No bell. No warning. The World was his Oyster and it was All About Him. Then, another of the same breed zapped past … chatting on his handless phone (isn’t that an offence??). Now, you don’t need a crystal ball to imagine a young mum, with a toddler and a baby in a stroller … a little winding bit of track, a little rise and dip … toddler toddling … pffffft. Gone. Really, bike riders give me the screaming s&*^s. They think they don’t need to stop & get off the bike to cross a road. They zip across, ignoring motorists and anyone else foolish enough to get in the way. They’re SUPER-CYCLISTS in lycra (only missing the cape, actually). Driving to Uriarra is now made horrendous by hordes of similarly attired cycling enthusiasts, who fail to move to the side of the road & for all intents and purposes are attempting to cause accidents. No, wait, they’re self obsessed brainless oafs … that’s what.

Hysterical much.

Hopefully JacqE will resurrect every cycle thread she can find and entertain us with her rants. God bless the froth.

JacquieE said :

Oh Get Over It. Yesterday I was walking my dogs along a bike track … one lycra’d boy racer zoomed past. No bell. No warning. The World was his Oyster and it was All About Him. Then, another of the same breed zapped past … chatting on his handless phone (isn’t that an offence??). Now, you don’t need a crystal ball to imagine a young mum, with a toddler and a baby in a stroller … a little winding bit of track, a little rise and dip … toddler toddling … pffffft. Gone. Really, bike riders give me the screaming s&*^s. They think they don’t need to stop & get off the bike to cross a road. They zip across, ignoring motorists and anyone else foolish enough to get in the way. They’re SUPER-CYCLISTS in lycra (only missing the cape, actually). Driving to Uriarra is now made horrendous by hordes of similarly attired cycling enthusiasts, who fail to move to the side of the road & for all intents and purposes are attempting to cause accidents. No, wait, they’re self obsessed brainless oafs … that’s what.

Hysterical much.

Oh Get Over It. Yesterday I was walking my dogs along a bike track … one lycra’d boy racer zoomed past. No bell. No warning. The World was his Oyster and it was All About Him. Then, another of the same breed zapped past … chatting on his handless phone (isn’t that an offence??). Now, you don’t need a crystal ball to imagine a young mum, with a toddler and a baby in a stroller … a little winding bit of track, a little rise and dip … toddler toddling … pffffft. Gone. Really, bike riders give me the screaming s&*^s. They think they don’t need to stop & get off the bike to cross a road. They zip across, ignoring motorists and anyone else foolish enough to get in the way. They’re SUPER-CYCLISTS in lycra (only missing the cape, actually). Driving to Uriarra is now made horrendous by hordes of similarly attired cycling enthusiasts, who fail to move to the side of the road & for all intents and purposes are attempting to cause accidents. No, wait, they’re self obsessed brainless oafs … that’s what.

Martlark said :

If a dog starts to chase me on my bike. I just stop and give it a good pat. Most dogs just like to chase things and most chasing dogs can run a lot faster than i can ride on twisty bike paths. You’ll just make it worse by riding faster. Wait until owner turns up to grab dog. It’s really annoying trying to grab your dog when he’s chasing someone running away from you. Just stop. They won’t bite.

Are you suggesting to Canberrans to take some responsibility for someone else’s dog??? Shock horror! You will find that most here think that if your dog/child/cat/pot plant poses even the slightest inconvenience to someone else, it should be taken away from you pronto. By being hit by a bull bar with razor wire for example.

But yeah, I’ve been training my new rescue dog and there have been occasions when she follows another dog in the off leash area and it’s really annoying if the other dog owner doesn’t stop to allow me to catch up. Mind you, in the mean time her recall is near perfect and I’d have no problem with walking her near a cycle path or road now.

If a dog starts to chase me on my bike. I just stop and give it a good pat. Most dogs just like to chase things and most chasing dogs can run a lot faster than i can ride on twisty bike paths. You’ll just make it worse by riding faster. Wait until owner turns up to grab dog. It’s really annoying trying to grab your dog when he’s chasing someone running away from you. Just stop. They won’t bite.

Just run it down if you think it would have you off if you didn’t. If you don’t think that, what are you narking about: just get out of the way. If you go for it and it’s got the wits it’ll get of the way. If it doesn’t it will probably live anyway. And if it dies you are bombproof if Australian law says what you say it does (which seems incredibly sad if true, but nothing about your aversion to trivial risks would surprise me anymore).

Watson said :

00davist said :

bryansworld said :

shadow boxer said :

lol, a fight between the two most self entitled groups in todays society.

——–>

I’ll see myself out

You forgot about motorists….

Motorists
Cyclists
Action Buses
Dog Owners
Pedestrians
Children

Pick the catagories you fit, now, hate the ones you didnt!

Seems that these days racisim is out, so we are all looking for a new way to hate entire sections of society.

There are bad and good drivers, cyclists, pedestrians, etc…

No one catagory is worse than the other another*, everyones just looking to bulls**t their way into a halo.

*Excludes Taxi’s

+1

Also add:
Housing tenants
Druggos and the mentally ill
Cat owners
“Old suburbs” home owners
“New suburbs” home owners
Public school supporters
Private school supporters
Tradies

The list is too big to complete really.

…and people that use apostrophes appropriately.

Jethro said :

“Question a male dog owner’s masculinity if they have a small girly dog?”

As the male owner of a small girly dog I always feel it should be the other way around. It clearly takes a man comfortable with his masculinity to take a little fluff ball for a walk (with or without pink doggy jacket).

I would be questioning the masculinity of the big ferocious dog owners. Are they trying to compensate for something?

I can only concur. I’m a large unattractive bloke who may often be seen walking a small white furball with a very embarrassing name around the streets of my suburb. My wife says I look “incredibly cute” doing this. I prefer to think I am demonstrating absolute confidence in my ability to deal with any situation. It’s one of those Johnny Cash “A Boy Named Sue” things. Any other interpretation really doesn’t bear thinking about.

1967 said :

There’s a lovely sheep dog in my area who’s moronic owner refuses to walk on a lead, because he feels that he can control the dog with his voice.
Needless to say, whenever I ride past the dog, who is always keen to play, he sets out to run beside me. Not in an aggressive way, he’s just out for some fun, (I suspect he’s probably one of those dogs that gets locked up in a small backyard all day, bored to death). Now, while I normally stop to give him a pat, and wait for Mr “No lead” to come and grab his coller, occassionally, there will be an outburst of abuse from the owner, directed at both me and the dog.
On these occassions I feel that it’s my duty of care to ensure that such a noble animal gets a good evening run and will cycle off, while talking to the dog as he runs beside me.
The upshot of this is that after realising that yelling and whistling, (at both the dog and me) will do no good, Mr “No Lead” is forced to chase after us both. I would’ve thought that after a couple of impromptu 1 or 2km runs he’d have learnt his lesson……..

Sounds like puppy is looking for a new owner who pats him and takes him for nice long runs

Regarding option b, jumping dogs is something that is restricted to premises in Fyshwick and Mitchell, and has nothing to do with cycling. Unless I’ve misunderstood you…:-)

Deref said :

Carry a large gun. When a dog chases your bike stop, dismount, take out the gun, take careful aim, and shoot the dog’s owner.

The thought crossed my mind as the owner of the Rottweiler that chased me stood there watching and laughing his head off..

Man…. all this popcorn is gonna make me fat.

Holden Caulfield said :

basketofcat said :

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/move/cycling/cycling_and_walking_map/road_rules

“Dogs must be on a leash at all times”

Also worth noting when on a shared path: “Cyclists should give way to pedestrians and other users at all times.”

And ” if you are cycling or walking, keep to the left”…and…oh, look, “If you are a pedestrian, keep a look out for cyclists and give them room to pass”

Holden Caulfield said :

basketofcat said :

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/move/cycling/cycling_and_walking_map/road_rules

“Dogs must be on a leash at all times”

Also worth noting when on a shared path: “Cyclists should give way to pedestrians and other users at all times.”

Users yes, unleashed dogs, no. Pedestrians also need to be aware of their surroundings and be prepared to move — they can’t force cyclists off the path.

The most flagrant abuse of shared paths must occur on Skyfire days / nights, when the bogans invade LBG’s shore and set up their picnics all over the paths.

Holden Caulfield4:08 pm 15 Nov 11

basketofcat said :

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/move/cycling/cycling_and_walking_map/road_rules

“Dogs must be on a leash at all times”

Also worth noting when on a shared path: “Cyclists should give way to pedestrians and other users at all times.”

Oh and of course it is always justified to threaten with violence against any group that you do not sympathise with. For the obvious reasons. Obviously.

00davist said :

bryansworld said :

shadow boxer said :

lol, a fight between the two most self entitled groups in todays society.

——–>

I’ll see myself out

You forgot about motorists….

Motorists
Cyclists
Action Buses
Dog Owners
Pedestrians
Children

Pick the catagories you fit, now, hate the ones you didnt!

Seems that these days racisim is out, so we are all looking for a new way to hate entire sections of society.

There are bad and good drivers, cyclists, pedestrians, etc…

No one catagory is worse than the other another*, everyones just looking to bulls**t their way into a halo.

*Excludes Taxi’s

+1

Also add:
Housing tenants
Druggos and the mentally ill
Cat owners
“Old suburbs” home owners
“New suburbs” home owners
Public school supporters
Private school supporters
Tradies

The list is too big to complete really.

Grrrr said :

Unfortunately, I don’t believe they are. Take a look at all the yellow (dogs off-leash) areas that include bike paths, or shared-use paths heavily used by bikes at:

http://www.gim.act.gov.au/website/gimmapviewer/viewer.htm?SERVICE=dog&QUERYDOG=yes&TITLE=Dog%20Exercise%20Areas&LOGO=Tams_Colour_logo2.gif

EG, check out the shores of LBG.

Right back at you:

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/move/cycling/cycling_and_walking_map/road_rules

“Dogs must be on a leash at all times”

Sgt.Bungers said :

“How’s it going, great day for it yes? Don’t mean to be a pest, but you may not be aware that you’re legally required to keep your dog on a leash when on the bike path.”

Unfortunately, I don’t believe they are. Take a look at all the yellow (dogs off-leash) areas that include bike paths, or shared-use paths heavily used by bikes at:

http://www.gim.act.gov.au/website/gimmapviewer/viewer.htm?SERVICE=dog&QUERYDOG=yes&TITLE=Dog%20Exercise%20Areas&LOGO=Tams_Colour_logo2.gif

EG, check out the shores of LBG.

shadow boxer said :

lol, a fight between the two most self entitled groups in todays society.

… and working families.

bryansworld said :

shadow boxer said :

lol, a fight between the two most self entitled groups in todays society.

——–>

I’ll see myself out

You forgot about motorists….

Motorists
Cyclists
Action Buses
Dog Owners
Pedestrians
Children

Pick the catagories you fit, now, hate the ones you didnt!

Seems that these days racisim is out, so we are all looking for a new way to hate entire sections of society.

There are bad and good drivers, cyclists, pedestrians, etc…

No one catagory is worse than the other another*, everyones just looking to bulls**t their way into a halo.

*Excludes Taxi’s

vet111 said :

KB1971 said :

vet111 said :

KB1971 said :

Its simple, dog chases me, dog gets a kick in the head.

The dog should be on a lead on the path. Mind you they are more predictable than people & usually notice you earlier, make eye contact & avoid you.

I have less of a problem with dogs off lead than I do for their owners.

So let me get this right, if you are riding your bike through an off-leash area and a dog is in your way, you’re going to kick the dog?

You’re a dick.

No, read again, then think about my words & what they mean 😉

Mmm, I see your point but still strongly disagree that physical violence directed at an animal is ok – unless the dog is aggressive, which is a whole other ball game. Thanks for the clarification though.
Maybe you can try what 1967 does? 🙂

Yup, while a wandering dog is inconvenient on my commute a chasing dog is a sign of agression or dominance (even if its not barking at you at the time). Some dogs dont act on the impulse but some dogs do & I am buggered if I am going to have my achillies tendon snapped by a nipping Blue Heeler.

I have not been bitten yet but I do know of people that have. My wifes old boss was put in hospital by an attacking stray, apart form the bites he also fell off.

All dogs are unpredictable, if it comes to me or the dog, its me every time.

Thankfully, on my commute most of the dogs are regulars & their owners do the right thing so its not really an issue.

One thing that does annoy me though is dogs on retractable leads, man they become a clusterf@#k when things go bad, the nowners dont seem to know how to handle them. It is hilarious to watch sometimes 🙂

KB1971 said :

vet111 said :

KB1971 said :

Its simple, dog chases me, dog gets a kick in the head.

The dog should be on a lead on the path. Mind you they are more predictable than people & usually notice you earlier, make eye contact & avoid you.

I have less of a problem with dogs off lead than I do for their owners.

So let me get this right, if you are riding your bike through an off-leash area and a dog is in your way, you’re going to kick the dog?

You’re a dick.

No, read again, then think about my words & what they mean 😉

Mmm, I see your point but still strongly disagree that physical violence directed at an animal is ok – unless the dog is aggressive, which is a whole other ball game. Thanks for the clarification though.
Maybe you can try what 1967 does? 🙂

Pfft, this is so predictable. In the RA hierarchy of things, dog owners always feature way below cyclists. Only just above housos and drug users really. It’s not a fair fight in any way.

1967 said :

There’s a lovely sheep dog in my area who’s moronic owner refuses to walk on a lead, because he feels that he can control the dog with his voice.
Needless to say, whenever I ride past the dog, who is always keen to play, he sets out to run beside me. Not in an aggressive way, he’s just out for some fun, (I suspect he’s probably one of those dogs that gets locked up in a small backyard all day, bored to death). Now, while I normally stop to give him a pat, and wait for Mr “No lead” to come and grab his coller, occassionally, there will be an outburst of abuse from the owner, directed at both me and the dog.
On these occassions I feel that it’s my duty of care to ensure that such a noble animal gets a good evening run and will cycle off, while talking to the dog as he runs beside me.
The upshot of this is that after realising that yelling and whistling, (at both the dog and me) will do no good, Mr “No Lead” is forced to chase after us both. I would’ve thought that after a couple of impromptu 1 or 2km runs he’d have learnt his lesson……..

GOLD!!!!!!

vet111 said :

KB1971 said :

Its simple, dog chases me, dog gets a kick in the head.

The dog should be on a lead on the path. Mind you they are more predictable than people & usually notice you earlier, make eye contact & avoid you.

I have less of a problem with dogs off lead than I do for their owners.

So let me get this right, if you are riding your bike through an off-leash area and a dog is in your way, you’re going to kick the dog?

You’re a dick.

No, read again, then think about my words & what they mean 😉

s-s-a said :

or the owners whose dogs are off wandering around doing their own thing while owners can see a cyclist 50 metres ahead coming towards them and the cyclist can quite easily roll on past safely.

But said owner waits till the bike is 10 foot away until it calls its dog who promptly runs past front wheel of cylist on its way back to the owner, causing a last second brake slam to prevent dog having 3 broken ribs

I have had this happen numerous times.

Also similar scenario with child on tricycle. Child riding along left hand side of path at reasonably good pace (for a trike). Mum walking some way behind talking with a friend. I pass adults on my bike, at which point Mum calls out to child who looks over his right shoulder to see what she wants, and in doing so gradually starts drifting towards the centre line, then ends up actually turned to the right and blocking the path right in front of the cyclist. Apparently this was all my fault…

only one thing for it, all children and dogs on a leash in public places + all children, dogs and cyclists need to be registered and disply plates

or the owners whose dogs are off wandering around doing their own thing while owners can see a cyclist 50 metres ahead coming towards them and the cyclist can quite easily roll on past safely.

But said owner waits till the bike is 10 foot away until it calls its dog who promptly runs past front wheel of cylist on its way back to the owner, causing a last second brake slam to prevent dog having 3 broken ribs

I have had this happen numerous times.

Also similar scenario with child on tricycle. Child riding along left hand side of path at reasonably good pace (for a trike). Mum walking some way behind talking with a friend. I pass adults on my bike, at which point Mum calls out to child who looks over his right shoulder to see what she wants, and in doing so gradually starts drifting towards the centre line, then ends up actually turned to the right and blocking the path right in front of the cyclist. Apparently this was all my fault…

There’s a lovely sheep dog in my area who’s moronic owner refuses to walk on a lead, because he feels that he can control the dog with his voice.
Needless to say, whenever I ride past the dog, who is always keen to play, he sets out to run beside me. Not in an aggressive way, he’s just out for some fun, (I suspect he’s probably one of those dogs that gets locked up in a small backyard all day, bored to death). Now, while I normally stop to give him a pat, and wait for Mr “No lead” to come and grab his coller, occassionally, there will be an outburst of abuse from the owner, directed at both me and the dog.
On these occassions I feel that it’s my duty of care to ensure that such a noble animal gets a good evening run and will cycle off, while talking to the dog as he runs beside me.
The upshot of this is that after realising that yelling and whistling, (at both the dog and me) will do no good, Mr “No Lead” is forced to chase after us both. I would’ve thought that after a couple of impromptu 1 or 2km runs he’d have learnt his lesson……..

shadow boxer said :

lol, a fight between the two most self entitled groups in todays society.

——–>

I’ll see myself out

You forgot about motorists….

shadow boxer12:21 pm 15 Nov 11

lol, a fight between the two most self entitled groups in todays society.

——–> I’ll see myself out

Buzz Killington here 🙂 http://familyguy.wikia.com/wiki/Buzz_Killington

As a cyclist riding safely and sensibly on bike paths through parks, you’ll know that it’s not just your path, and anyone or anything could be on it at any time for any reason.

When approaching an unrestrained dog, accept that the most sensible thing for you to do is slow down when approaching the situation… don’t just plough through the scene at 40 km/h and act astounded and aghast as soon as something goes wrong.

Perhaps then have a quick friendly word to the owner “How’s it going, great day for it yes? Don’t mean to be a pest, but you may not be aware that you’re legally required to keep your dog on a leash when on the bike path.” “Oh rly? I was not aware of this!” “Yep it’s a fairly new law brought in after a few dogs were hurt when they ran into the path of a bike at the last minute.” “Oh sank you good sir!”

Wishful thinking? 🙂

‘cyclists vs dog owners’? ooh, can i watch? where’s the popcorn…

btw, i rekkun ‘c’ in the pop quiz… 🙂

KB1971 said :

Its simple, dog chases me, dog gets a kick in the head.

The dog should be on a lead on the path. Mind you they are more predictable than people & usually notice you earlier, make eye contact & avoid you.

I have less of a problem with dogs off lead than I do for their owners.

So let me get this right, if you are riding your bike through an off-leash area and a dog is in your way, you’re going to kick the dog?

You’re a dick.

I personally think having a cycle path through an off-leash area is a bloody stupid idea, but that’s the ACT council for ya…

Agree with all other comments though about keeping dogs on leashes in areas not designated as off-leash. Provided cyclists give enough notice that they’re coming through, it should be happy days for cyclists, dogs and owners alike. Surely it’s common sense?

or the owners whose dogs are off wandering around doing their own thing while owners can see a cyclist 50 metres ahead coming towards them and the cyclist can quite easily roll on past safely.

But said owner waits till the bike is 10 foot away until it calls its dog who promptly runs past front wheel of cylist on its way back to the owner, causing a last second brake slam to prevent dog having 3 broken ribs.

I slow down for anything not on a lead because you never know where they’re going to run.

Carry a large gun. When a dog chases your bike stop, dismount, take out the gun, take careful aim, and shoot the dog’s owner.

Holden Caulfield11:31 am 15 Nov 11

Make dogs wear registration, it’s the only way.

Oh wait!

“Question a male dog owner’s masculinity if they have a small girly dog?”

As the male owner of a small girly dog I always feel it should be the other way around. It clearly takes a man comfortable with his masculinity to take a little fluff ball for a walk (with or without pink doggy jacket).

I would be questioning the masculinity of the big ferocious dog owners. Are they trying to compensate for something?

Its simple, dog chases me, dog gets a kick in the head.

The dog should be on a lead on the path. Mind you they are more predictable than people & usually notice you earlier, make eye contact & avoid you.

I have less of a problem with dogs off lead than I do for their owners.

thy_dungeonman11:08 am 15 Nov 11

I know someone who has had a small dog run right into the path of their wheel with no time to stop, the result was that they simply ran over it although the dog was fine afterwards. They also had a possum get caught in their wheel one one occasion. When I’m walking my dog I tend to walk on the oath and have the dog walk on the grass or if the path is narrow simply walk on the grass, after all it only takes a couple of steps to move and isn’t that much of a hassle where for the cyclists they have to veer off onto rough-ground.

But, Jimbo, dogs don’t listen when you tingle your bell. The owner standing 10 metres away and calling while the dog furiously pounds after my wheels is hopelessly ineffective. What is much more effective is keeping the dog restrained, so when I sound my bell, the owner can make sure the dog doesn’t get in the way, and I can make sure I avoid it.

I’ve had loads of occasions (while running, but the same applies) where a dog has taken off after me. I’ve crossed the road, so the dog has, too. The owners are left flapping helplessly while their dog is wandering aimlessly through traffic, having lost interest in me. How about a leash?

cyclists slow down, and signal their presence.

dog walkers shorten the leash

everybody co-operates.

And They All Lived Happily Ever After.

or

– Use appropriate warning of the cyclist’s presence – Eg use the bike bell – that’s what it’s there for.

I am a dog owner and have my dog’s off leash in an off leash area, where there also happens to be a bicycle/pedestrian path. When walking my dogs I am always conscious of both people/cyclists in front and behind me, and will then leash the dogs, or move the dogs off the path of impending traffic.

However, countless times, cyclists who seem to be on some sort of time trial exercise (wearing those oh so fashionable tour-de-france road jerseys (don’t get me started on this)), come tearing around a corner and then use expletives because I hadn’t moved the dogs out of the way (this also applies to people trying to enjoy a peaceful walk, how many times I have seen the same thing happen to pedestrians almost being bowled over), all because the cyclist is too tight to buy a $5 bike bell (either that or they probably think the bike bell doesn’t give them street-cred)

If cyclists signalled their impending presence with a bike bell then they would probably not have this problem.

Hurl invective. It’s the only way.

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