14 June 2012

Danny Subasic's your man if you like getting naked behind academy, assaulted, and weed on

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The Courts have given us a real gem in the case of one Danny Subasic.

After downing 10 bourbons and a gram of the bolivian marching powder Danny got himself kicked out of Academy around 5am.

Fortunately he’d met a young lass who rather fancied him and she came outside with him, agreed to go down a laneway and got naked with him.

So far very Saturday night until Danny had a bit of a freak out, repeatedly tried and failed to enter her back passage, repeatedly hit her, tripped her over as she tried to flee, and then took a wee over her.

The moral of the story girls; is if you meet a guy on Saturday night who gets thrown out of a club few good things will come of pursuing it, but at most give him your number and get a taxi home.

Danny’s been on very strict bail since and will be supervised for some time and completing community service, but has been spared prison.

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Subasic by name,
Subhuman by nature.

bundah said :

Jethro said :

Newspaper article says he is on a suspended sentence for the piddling incident.

I thought (and I’m no legal expert, so could be totally wrong) a suspended sentence meant that it would be ‘unsuspended’ if you ran foul of the law again, and you would have to serve the time from the original sentence.

If so, how was he able to apply for bail? Surely, he would automatically be locked up to serve the sentence that had been suspended?

Ah the law works in strange and mysterious ways,so fundamentally one is able to apply for bail at any time regardless of the offence unless of course one has been charged with mass murder in which case there would be little point.Presumably if the offence is proven then off to the AMC for a holiday goes Danny.

You’re right. I realised after I posted that he would first have to be found guilty of the 2nd offense for the 1st offense to be ‘unsuspended’.

Jethro said :

Newspaper article says he is on a suspended sentence for the piddling incident.

I thought (and I’m no legal expert, so could be totally wrong) a suspended sentence meant that it would be ‘unsuspended’ if you ran foul of the law again, and you would have to serve the time from the original sentence.

If so, how was he able to apply for bail? Surely, he would automatically be locked up to serve the sentence that had been suspended?

Ah the law works in strange and mysterious ways,so fundamentally one is able to apply for bail at any time regardless of the offence unless of course one has been charged with mass murder in which case there would be little point.Presumably if the offence is proven then off to the AMC for a holiday goes Danny.

Newspaper article says he is on a suspended sentence for the piddling incident.

I thought (and I’m no legal expert, so could be totally wrong) a suspended sentence meant that it would be ‘unsuspended’ if you ran foul of the law again, and you would have to serve the time from the original sentence.

If so, how was he able to apply for bail? Surely, he would automatically be locked up to serve the sentence that had been suspended?

Indigninja said :

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/two-charged-with-ransacking-20120901-257ty.html

Surely not the same guy? He did after all receive a stern talking to from the judiciary

How surprising that they were both under the infuence of illicit drugs when the cops executed a search warrant.No surprise that gloves were found at the property after all we have had some very cold nights of late.May i suggest that a further suspended sentence for dynamic Danny is the only sensible option after all we wouldn’t want the family business to suffer as he is quite the ass et.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/two-charged-with-ransacking-20120901-257ty.html

Surely not the same guy? He did after all receive a stern talking to from the judiciary

I think the more important story here is how the little yellow rubber ducks got on the flooded rooftop above the 24 Hour Reserved Parking sign (visible as little yellow dots in this pic). I contemplate this daily when i go out on the roof for smoko.

I don’t see he broke a specific law in tripping her over. Community service is ok then.

bundah said :

Jethro said :

poetix said :

Malteser said :

To be honest I am focusing on this girl’s actions because; one, I am female so I automatically can relate on that level; and two, they seem so dangerous and brainless ….

I don’t assume I can relate to all women’s experiences (or thoughts) ‘automatically’ because I’m female. Nor do I think that all men can automatically relate to the actions of all men.

The man in this story should be the focus. Punching and peeing on a sexual partner, plus certain of his other actions are despicable. Analyse that. Leave her alone.

Absolutely!

I think you are misinterpreting people’s comments. People aren’t blaming her. But they are highlighting the fact that people should take responsibility for their personal safety.

Totally disagree given that some have inferred that the female put herself in harms way due to her poor judgement and therefore should be open to attack. The simple reality is that if Subasic HAD NOT physically attacked her with the intention of inflicting pain due to sexual frustration whilst in his self induced intoxicated state we would not be having this discussion. End of story!!

Oh please, I don’t think one person is inferring or implying that this girl should be open to attack because of her bad judgement. You are implying commenters believe ‘she deserved it’ which she did not.

If you walked down a dark alley way with a stranger who promised you a free Plasma TV, then proceeded to rob you, people would conclude that you didn’t deserve it, but it was pretty poor judgement on your part.

Certain lifestyles/actions/associations are more likely to result in violence or harmful behaviour. Therefore if one chooses to take part in the above one should take measures against avoiding violence or harm. The girl should have left at the first point of violent behaviour (forceful oral). The fact she didn’t, indicates she does/did not have good judgement considering the risky circumstances – dodgy stranger, alley way – it does not indicate ‘she deserved it’!

Jethro said :

poetix said :

Malteser said :

To be honest I am focusing on this girl’s actions because; one, I am female so I automatically can relate on that level; and two, they seem so dangerous and brainless ….

I don’t assume I can relate to all women’s experiences (or thoughts) ‘automatically’ because I’m female. Nor do I think that all men can automatically relate to the actions of all men.

The man in this story should be the focus. Punching and peeing on a sexual partner, plus certain of his other actions are despicable. Analyse that. Leave her alone.

Absolutely!

I think you are misinterpreting people’s comments. People aren’t blaming her. But they are highlighting the fact that people should take responsibility for their personal safety.

Totally disagree given that some have inferred that the female put herself in harms way due to her poor judgement and therefore should be open to attack. The simple reality is that if Subasic HAD NOT physically attacked her with the intention of inflicting pain due to sexual frustration whilst in his self induced intoxicated state we would not be having this discussion. End of story!!

poetix said :

Malteser said :

To be honest I am focusing on this girl’s actions because; one, I am female so I automatically can relate on that level; and two, they seem so dangerous and brainless ….

I don’t assume I can relate to all women’s experiences (or thoughts) ‘automatically’ because I’m female. Nor do I think that all men can automatically relate to the actions of all men.

The man in this story should be the focus. Punching and peeing on a sexual partner, plus certain of his other actions are despicable. Analyse that. Leave her alone.

He has had the focus on him. Charged and convicted.

Meanwhile, she also committed offences and has been rewarded with neither prosecutorial nor media attention. Why does she have anonymity?

Jethro, she didn’t just wander down an alleyway – she chose to enter that alleyway and she then chose a course of actions which included a number of offences against the law. She was actively engaged in law-breaking when she became a victim of further crimes committed by her co-offender. The justice system has treated her as if she were a simple victim of a sexual assault, no doubt to facilitate her nabbing a nice victims of crime payout for herself.
As the Ratepayer who funds not only the criminal justice system that chiefly exists to deal with these kinds of under-educated morons, I am now going to be funding a totally undeserved payout to one of the morons, and I resent that.

I’m sick of my bills going up while the scamming by society’s dunces multiplies.

poetix said :

Malteser said :

To be honest I am focusing on this girl’s actions because; one, I am female so I automatically can relate on that level; and two, they seem so dangerous and brainless ….

I don’t assume I can relate to all women’s experiences (or thoughts) ‘automatically’ because I’m female. Nor do I think that all men can automatically relate to the actions of all men.

The man in this story should be the focus. Punching and peeing on a sexual partner, plus certain of his other actions are despicable. Analyse that. Leave her alone.

I think you are misinterpreting people’s comments. People aren’t blaming her. But they are highlighting the fact that people should take responsibility for their personal safety.

I’m a relatively well built guy in his mid 30’s. Certainly not a total pushover. But I still wouldn’t wonder down a dark abandoned alley with people I don’t know. It’s asking for trouble. It’s fair enough that when something like this happens people say that perhaps people should take more care about their own safety.

This isn’t victim blaming. It’s certainly not absolving the person who committed the crime. But surely there should be some focus on the things people should or should not do to protect their personal safety.

I guarantee you, if you had a daughter of clubbing age, and you found out she was going down dark alleys with men she didn’t know, you would pull her up and tell her to be a bit more careful. You would do so for the same reason I didn’t tell the bikie who pushed in front of me at the Canberra Inn last week that he was a cock-sucking prick. A sensible person takes steps to make sure they don’t get in situations that could turn bad.

No-one who is a victim of crime is responsible for their experience. But everyone should still think about whether or not their actions are going to put them in harm’s way. I guess what everyone wants is for incidents like this not to ever occur. Surely part of preventing these incidents has to include the idea that people ensure they make sensible decisions.

Malteser said :

To be honest I am focusing on this girl’s actions because; one, I am female so I automatically can relate on that level; and two, they seem so dangerous and brainless ….

I don’t assume I can relate to all women’s experiences (or thoughts) ‘automatically’ because I’m female. Nor do I think that all men can automatically relate to the actions of all men.

The man in this story should be the focus. Punching and peeing on a sexual partner, plus certain of his other actions are despicable. Analyse that. Leave her alone.

Slice said :

Where was brave Emily that night?

An 11 year old girl getting a commendation really gets up your back alley, doesn’t it?

You must be quite the nonentity to begrudge her that.

Where was brave Emily that night?

greyswandir said :

chewy14 said :

I don’t agree with Henry but I think your attempts to completely absolve the victim of responsibility for her own actions and decisions isn’t reflective of reality either.

I agree with what Dr Koresh and Jethro have said above.

I can see what you’re trying to say, but my point isn’t that she’s an innocent flower with no responsibility for anything she did. My point is that talking about her behaviour is counterproductive. She’s not the problem here. If she hadn’t been there and Subasic just beat the crap out of an innocent bystander noone would be talking about how that bystander was submitting to risk by, eg, standing around outside Acads at 5am with the rest of the bogans.

The initially-consensual nature of what happened is reflected in the leniency of the sentence – and tbh I agree with the sentence and the reasoning behind it. So why has this discussion been overwhelmingly focused on analysing her behaviour rather than his?

To be honest I am focusing on this girl’s actions because; one, I am female so I automatically can relate on that level; and two, they seem so dangerous and brainless that they are attention-grabbing. I think the discussion is 50/50 with clearly no one blaming the girl. He is so clearly at fault. He hurt her and other people. He took drugs that caused some kind of psychosis and hurt people. He has been charged. He is also clearly an idiot by wanting to get naked and screw some stranger in an alley way. My focus on her in no way absolves the boy’s actions or behaviour.

Back to the girl, her behaviour is so deranged (and unrelatable!) I just have to ponder it – because I can. What female in their right mind would follow a stranger into an alley way after he’s been kicked out of a club and then:
give him a BJ
continue to do this even after he strips off naked – a bit forward in the least!
gets skull ****** (sorry to be so graphic) – but then also decides to get naked
After all of the above – consents to anal sex in an alley way…..!

Anyway, as her ‘sister’ said was off her face too, so maybe that answers my question. She wasn’t in her right mind at all.

chewy14 said :

I don’t agree with Henry but I think your attempts to completely absolve the victim of responsibility for her own actions and decisions isn’t reflective of reality either.

I agree with what Dr Koresh and Jethro have said above.

I can see what you’re trying to say, but my point isn’t that she’s an innocent flower with no responsibility for anything she did. My point is that talking about her behaviour is counterproductive. She’s not the problem here. If she hadn’t been there and Subasic just beat the crap out of an innocent bystander noone would be talking about how that bystander was submitting to risk by, eg, standing around outside Acads at 5am with the rest of the bogans.

The initially-consensual nature of what happened is reflected in the leniency of the sentence – and tbh I agree with the sentence and the reasoning behind it. So why has this discussion been overwhelmingly focused on analysing her behaviour rather than his?

Diggety said :

aceofspades said :

Diggety said :

aceofspades said :

lauren437 said :

This is horrible! I feel so sorry for Danny.
I’m the alleged ”victims” older sister. & This disgusts me. I love how this article doesn’t tell what my sister was on, doesn’t tell the readers that she was shooting up that night. Or that she’s a compulsive liar. Or that she has no friends left because of her lies & attention seeking ‘rape-cries’. She pulled the same kind of story on our own FATHER. This is not right & his name shouldn’t of been released seeing as this is far from the truth. Yes he was in the wrong for taking illegal substances & lets face it acting like a 16 year old boy who can’t handle his alcohol but this downright disgusts me. She needs to be hung. Ah!

Sounds like sis is a bit upset she missed out. Danny should have gone for the all illusive sister/sister trio perhaps.

A Donkey Punch and a Golden Shower PLUS The Sportsman’s Double in the one public act?

You sir, are suggesting history be made!

JB quick!!! stake out that laneway with your camera this weekend, we need to see this!!!

Then we can add dogging to the list too!

Do you think we should call the Guinness Book of Records now?

aceofspades said :

Diggety said :

aceofspades said :

lauren437 said :

This is horrible! I feel so sorry for Danny.
I’m the alleged ”victims” older sister. & This disgusts me. I love how this article doesn’t tell what my sister was on, doesn’t tell the readers that she was shooting up that night. Or that she’s a compulsive liar. Or that she has no friends left because of her lies & attention seeking ‘rape-cries’. She pulled the same kind of story on our own FATHER. This is not right & his name shouldn’t of been released seeing as this is far from the truth. Yes he was in the wrong for taking illegal substances & lets face it acting like a 16 year old boy who can’t handle his alcohol but this downright disgusts me. She needs to be hung. Ah!

Sounds like sis is a bit upset she missed out. Danny should have gone for the all illusive sister/sister trio perhaps.

A Donkey Punch and a Golden Shower PLUS The Sportsman’s Double in the one public act?

You sir, are suggesting history be made!

JB quick!!! stake out that laneway with your camera this weekend, we need to see this!!!

Then we can add dogging to the list too!

Diggety said :

aceofspades said :

lauren437 said :

This is horrible! I feel so sorry for Danny.
I’m the alleged ”victims” older sister. & This disgusts me. I love how this article doesn’t tell what my sister was on, doesn’t tell the readers that she was shooting up that night. Or that she’s a compulsive liar. Or that she has no friends left because of her lies & attention seeking ‘rape-cries’. She pulled the same kind of story on our own FATHER. This is not right & his name shouldn’t of been released seeing as this is far from the truth. Yes he was in the wrong for taking illegal substances & lets face it acting like a 16 year old boy who can’t handle his alcohol but this downright disgusts me. She needs to be hung. Ah!

Sounds like sis is a bit upset she missed out. Danny should have gone for the all illusive sister/sister trio perhaps.

A Donkey Punch and a Golden Shower PLUS The Sportsman’s Double in the one public act?

You sir, are suggesting history be made!

JB quick!!! stake out that laneway with your camera this weekend, we need to see this!!!

aceofspades said :

lauren437 said :

This is horrible! I feel so sorry for Danny.
I’m the alleged ”victims” older sister. & This disgusts me. I love how this article doesn’t tell what my sister was on, doesn’t tell the readers that she was shooting up that night. Or that she’s a compulsive liar. Or that she has no friends left because of her lies & attention seeking ‘rape-cries’. She pulled the same kind of story on our own FATHER. This is not right & his name shouldn’t of been released seeing as this is far from the truth. Yes he was in the wrong for taking illegal substances & lets face it acting like a 16 year old boy who can’t handle his alcohol but this downright disgusts me. She needs to be hung. Ah!

Sounds like sis is a bit upset she missed out. Danny should have gone for the all illusive sister/sister trio perhaps.

A Donkey Punch and a Golden Shower PLUS The Sportsman’s Double in the one public act?

You sir, are suggesting history be made!

lauren437 said :

This is horrible! I feel so sorry for Danny.
I’m the alleged ”victims” older sister. & This disgusts me. I love how this article doesn’t tell what my sister was on, doesn’t tell the readers that she was shooting up that night. Or that she’s a compulsive liar. Or that she has no friends left because of her lies & attention seeking ‘rape-cries’. She pulled the same kind of story on our own FATHER. This is not right & his name shouldn’t of been released seeing as this is far from the truth. Yes he was in the wrong for taking illegal substances & lets face it acting like a 16 year old boy who can’t handle his alcohol but this downright disgusts me. She needs to be hung. Ah!

Sounds like sis is a bit upset she missed out. Danny should have gone for the all illusive sister/sister trio perhaps.

johnboy said :

aceofspades said :

Havok said :

30 Hours community service? What a joke.

A.C.T. Justice is pathetic

There is always so many that think they can do a better job than a judge. Okay Mr Fair and Just, enlighten us, what punishment would be suitable in your view?

I have to say I’ve been unimpressed with sentences in the past. But between the past and ongoing punishments, the public ridicule, and the low risk of repeat behaviour I think this one is about right.

I agree. There will always be some that say a sentence was to light and some that say it was that too tough. Judging by this thread, this one seems to be about 50/50 so it must be about right. It does not matter what sentence a judge gives there will be those that ridicule.

johnboy said :

aceofspades said :

Havok said :

30 Hours community service? What a joke.

A.C.T. Justice is pathetic

There is always so many that think they can do a better job than a judge. Okay Mr Fair and Just, enlighten us, what punishment would be suitable in your view?

I have to say I’ve been unimpressed with sentences in the past. But between the past and ongoing punishments, the public ridicule, and the low risk of repeat behaviour I think this one is about right.

Once I heard the attempted intercourse was consensual I must admit I felt the sentence was more appropriate than i had at first. You didn’t make that part too clear in the OP, jb.

aceofspades said :

Havok said :

30 Hours community service? What a joke.

A.C.T. Justice is pathetic

There is always so many that think they can do a better job than a judge. Okay Mr Fair and Just, enlighten us, what punishment would be suitable in your view?

A light bollocking and a golden shower, see how he likes it

aceofspades said :

Havok said :

30 Hours community service? What a joke.

A.C.T. Justice is pathetic

There is always so many that think they can do a better job than a judge. Okay Mr Fair and Just, enlighten us, what punishment would be suitable in your view?

I have to say I’ve been unimpressed with sentences in the past. But between the past and ongoing punishments, the public ridicule, and the low risk of repeat behaviour I think this one is about right.

Havok said :

30 Hours community service? What a joke.

A.C.T. Justice is pathetic

There is always so many that think they can do a better job than a judge. Okay Mr Fair and Just, enlighten us, what punishment would be suitable in your view?

Tetranitrate12:52 pm 15 Jun 12

It’s simply cause and effect. You could walk up to one of the bouncers at the very same club, tell them they’re an ‘ugly coconut’ and just as surely come to grief – it doesn’t make it right or legal, but it’s certainly a predictable outcome of unbelievably stupid behavior.

The guy had already proven he was a violent nutjob when he got himself kicked out.
He’s obviously responsible for his actions, but at the same time the victim didn’t simply find herself in harms way – she chased harm out the door and down an alleyway.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back12:51 pm 15 Jun 12

Malteser said :

lauren437 said :

This is horrible! I feel so sorry for Danny.
I’m the alleged ”victims” older sister. & This disgusts me. I love how this article doesn’t tell what my sister was on, doesn’t tell the readers that she was shooting up that night. Or that she’s a compulsive liar. Or that she has no friends left because of her lies & attention seeking ‘rape-cries’. She pulled the same kind of story on our own FATHER. This is not right & his name shouldn’t of been released seeing as this is far from the truth. Yes he was in the wrong for taking illegal substances & lets face it acting like a 16 year old boy who can’t handle his alcohol but this downright disgusts me. She needs to be hung. Ah!

Are you saying your sister made this up and she was not assaulted?

Anything’s possible. Will be interesting to see where this leads.

lauren437 said :

This is horrible! I feel so sorry for Danny.
I’m the alleged ”victims” older sister. & This disgusts me. I love how this article doesn’t tell what my sister was on, doesn’t tell the readers that she was shooting up that night. Or that she’s a compulsive liar. Or that she has no friends left because of her lies & attention seeking ‘rape-cries’. She pulled the same kind of story on our own FATHER. This is not right & his name shouldn’t of been released seeing as this is far from the truth. Yes he was in the wrong for taking illegal substances & lets face it acting like a 16 year old boy who can’t handle his alcohol but this downright disgusts me. She needs to be hung. Ah!

Are you saying your sister made this up and she was not assaulted?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

lauren437 said :

This is horrible! I feel so sorry for Danny.
I’m the alleged ”victims” older sister. & This disgusts me. I love how this article doesn’t tell what my sister was on, doesn’t tell the readers that she was shooting up that night. Or that she’s a compulsive liar. Or that she has no friends left because of her lies & attention seeking ‘rape-cries’. She pulled the same kind of story on our own FATHER. This is not right & his name shouldn’t of been released seeing as this is far from the truth. Yes he was in the wrong for taking illegal substances & lets face it acting like a 16 year old boy who can’t handle his alcohol but this downright disgusts me. She needs to be hung. Ah!

This thread just got interesting.

Because an anonymous poster purporting to be related to a story has posted unsubstantiated claims? Never seen that before on the internets. Really interesting…

But it generally results in all sorts of follow up posts. That’s the interesting part!

30 Hours community service? What a joke.

A.C.T. Justice is pathetic

Mysteryman said :

lauren437 said :

This is horrible! I feel so sorry for Danny.
I’m the alleged ”victims” older sister. & This disgusts me. I love how this article doesn’t tell what my sister was on, doesn’t tell the readers that she was shooting up that night. Or that she’s a compulsive liar. Or that she has no friends left because of her lies & attention seeking ‘rape-cries’. She pulled the same kind of story on our own FATHER. This is not right & his name shouldn’t of been released seeing as this is far from the truth. Yes he was in the wrong for taking illegal substances & lets face it acting like a 16 year old boy who can’t handle his alcohol but this downright disgusts me. She needs to be hung. Ah!

This thread just got interesting.

Dangerous more like.

colourful sydney racing identity11:19 am 15 Jun 12

Mysteryman said :

lauren437 said :

This is horrible! I feel so sorry for Danny.
I’m the alleged ”victims” older sister. & This disgusts me. I love how this article doesn’t tell what my sister was on, doesn’t tell the readers that she was shooting up that night. Or that she’s a compulsive liar. Or that she has no friends left because of her lies & attention seeking ‘rape-cries’. She pulled the same kind of story on our own FATHER. This is not right & his name shouldn’t of been released seeing as this is far from the truth. Yes he was in the wrong for taking illegal substances & lets face it acting like a 16 year old boy who can’t handle his alcohol but this downright disgusts me. She needs to be hung. Ah!

This thread just got interesting.

Because an anonymous poster purporting to be related to a story has posted unsubstantiated claims? Never seen that before on the internets. Really interesting…

I reckon Danny had watched The Prodigy’s Smack My Bitch Up film clip too many times.

lauren437 said :

This is horrible! I feel so sorry for Danny.
I’m the alleged ”victims” older sister. & This disgusts me. I love how this article doesn’t tell what my sister was on, doesn’t tell the readers that she was shooting up that night. Or that she’s a compulsive liar. Or that she has no friends left because of her lies & attention seeking ‘rape-cries’. She pulled the same kind of story on our own FATHER. This is not right & his name shouldn’t of been released seeing as this is far from the truth. Yes he was in the wrong for taking illegal substances & lets face it acting like a 16 year old boy who can’t handle his alcohol but this downright disgusts me. She needs to be hung. Ah!

She must have enjoyed SlutWalk, no?

Mysteryman said :

lauren437 said :

This is horrible! I feel so sorry for Danny.
I’m the alleged ”victims” older sister. & This disgusts me. I love how this article doesn’t tell what my sister was on, doesn’t tell the readers that she was shooting up that night. Or that she’s a compulsive liar. Or that she has no friends left because of her lies & attention seeking ‘rape-cries’. She pulled the same kind of story on our own FATHER. This is not right & his name shouldn’t of been released seeing as this is far from the truth. Yes he was in the wrong for taking illegal substances & lets face it acting like a 16 year old boy who can’t handle his alcohol but this downright disgusts me. She needs to be hung. Ah!

This thread just got interesting.

If bourbon, cocaine, assault and unsuccessful anal in an alleyway aren’t interesting enough for you, then your standards are WAY too high.

lauren437 said :

This is horrible! I feel so sorry for Danny.
I’m the alleged ”victims” older sister. & This disgusts me. I love how this article doesn’t tell what my sister was on, doesn’t tell the readers that she was shooting up that night. Or that she’s a compulsive liar. Or that she has no friends left because of her lies & attention seeking ‘rape-cries’. She pulled the same kind of story on our own FATHER. This is not right & his name shouldn’t of been released seeing as this is far from the truth. Yes he was in the wrong for taking illegal substances & lets face it acting like a 16 year old boy who can’t handle his alcohol but this downright disgusts me. She needs to be hung. Ah!

This thread just got interesting.

colourful sydney racing identity9:35 am 15 Jun 12

HenryBG said :

DrKoresh said :

I don’t think you should ever blame someone for being a victim of a crime, but I don’t like the way people take this ideal to the extreme that you can’t highlight decisions they made which may have indirectly led to those circumstances and this girl sounds like maybe she made some poor choices.

But that’s not the same as vindicating the troglodyte that attacked her.

You talk about her being a “victim of crime”. Sure, she was. But she fell victim to it whilst in the act of committing offences herself.
It’s a bit like the burglar who sues the homeowner whom he’s burgling after he trips on the steps and breaks his leg.
She’s now going to hit up the ACT Ratepayer for victims of a crime compensation payment which she should not qualify for if the police simply charged her for the offences she admits committing and which led to her injury.

so, if you were to have a puff on a joint and then get gang raped by a group of bikies, it would really be your fault. *right* thank christ you are too lazy to perform jury duty.

greyswandir said :

HenryBG said :

You talk about her being a “victim of crime”. Sure, she was. But she fell victim to it whilst in the act of committing offences herself.
It’s a bit like the burglar who sues the homeowner whom he’s burgling after he trips on the steps and breaks his leg.
She’s now going to hit up the ACT Ratepayer for victims of a crime compensation payment which she should not qualify for if the police simply charged her for the offences she admits committing and which led to her injury.

You can’t draw an analogy between “being a homeowner with steps” and “violently attacking someone while off your face”. Architecture =/= assault.

Your relentless attempts to transfer the focus to the victim’s behaviour is indicative of a very skewed perception of reality.

I don’t agree with Henry but I think your attempts to completely absolve the victim of responsibility for her own actions and decisions isn’t reflective of reality either.

I agree with what Dr Koresh and Jethro have said above.

DrKoresh said :

I don’t think you should ever blame someone for being a victim of a crime, but I don’t like the way people take this ideal to the extreme that you can’t highlight decisions they made which may have indirectly led to those circumstances and this girl sounds like maybe she made some poor choices.

But that’s not the same as vindicating the troglodyte that attacked her.

I agree. It’s nobodies fault but the perp’s. However, if my daughter was of clubbing age I would certainly be giving her advice to the effect of ‘don’t go off down dark alleys alone with a guy you don’t know.’

It is entirely reasonable that people highlight the importance of taking common sense precautions when it comes to your personal safety.

HenryBG said :

You talk about her being a “victim of crime”. Sure, she was. But she fell victim to it whilst in the act of committing offences herself.
It’s a bit like the burglar who sues the homeowner whom he’s burgling after he trips on the steps and breaks his leg.
She’s now going to hit up the ACT Ratepayer for victims of a crime compensation payment which she should not qualify for if the police simply charged her for the offences she admits committing and which led to her injury.

You can’t draw an analogy between “being a homeowner with steps” and “violently attacking someone while off your face”. Architecture =/= assault.

Your relentless attempts to transfer the focus to the victim’s behaviour is indicative of a very skewed perception of reality.

I conclude there should just be different rules for panel beaters and hair dressers than for the rest of us.

lauren437 said :

This is horrible! I feel so sorry for Danny.
I’m the alleged ”victims” older sister. & This disgusts me. I love how this article doesn’t tell what my sister was on, doesn’t tell the readers that she was shooting up that night. Or that she’s a compulsive liar. Or that she has no friends left because of her lies & attention seeking ‘rape-cries’. She pulled the same kind of story on our own FATHER. This is not right & his name shouldn’t of been released seeing as this is far from the truth. Yes he was in the wrong for taking illegal substances & lets face it acting like a 16 year old boy who can’t handle his alcohol but this downright disgusts me. She needs to be hung. Ah!

Are you serious?? There is absolutely no excuse for his violent and disgusting behaviour.No one held a gun to his head and forced him to consume excessive amounts of alcohol or cocaine. We are all responsible for our own conduct and behaviour and although i do not condone her role in this tawdry affair in no way did she deserve to be violently abused by his animalistic conduct even if she was off her face!!

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd10:08 pm 14 Jun 12

lauren437 said :

This is horrible! I feel so sorry for Danny.
I’m the alleged ”victims” older sister. & This disgusts me. I love how this article doesn’t tell what my sister was on, doesn’t tell the readers that she was shooting up that night. Or that she’s a compulsive liar. Or that she has no friends left because of her lies & attention seeking ‘rape-cries’. She pulled the same kind of story on our own FATHER. This is not right & his name shouldn’t of been released seeing as this is far from the truth. Yes he was in the wrong for taking illegal substances & lets face it acting like a 16 year old boy who can’t handle his alcohol but this downright disgusts me. She needs to be hung. Ah!

Danny, is that you?

Lol it seems Henry bg is some sort of weird bible brasher or prude.

Nothing wrong with being naked or having sex, bro.

DrKoresh said :

I don’t think you should ever blame someone for being a victim of a crime, but I don’t like the way people take this ideal to the extreme that you can’t highlight decisions they made which may have indirectly led to those circumstances and this girl sounds like maybe she made some poor choices.

But that’s not the same as vindicating the troglodyte that attacked her.

You talk about her being a “victim of crime”. Sure, she was. But she fell victim to it whilst in the act of committing offences herself.
It’s a bit like the burglar who sues the homeowner whom he’s burgling after he trips on the steps and breaks his leg.
She’s now going to hit up the ACT Ratepayer for victims of a crime compensation payment which she should not qualify for if the police simply charged her for the offences she admits committing and which led to her injury.

This is horrible! I feel so sorry for Danny.
I’m the alleged ”victims” older sister. & This disgusts me. I love how this article doesn’t tell what my sister was on, doesn’t tell the readers that she was shooting up that night. Or that she’s a compulsive liar. Or that she has no friends left because of her lies & attention seeking ‘rape-cries’. She pulled the same kind of story on our own FATHER. This is not right & his name shouldn’t of been released seeing as this is far from the truth. Yes he was in the wrong for taking illegal substances & lets face it acting like a 16 year old boy who can’t handle his alcohol but this downright disgusts me. She needs to be hung. Ah!

I don’t think you should ever blame someone for being a victim of a crime, but I don’t like the way people take this ideal to the extreme that you can’t highlight decisions they made which may have indirectly led to those circumstances and this girl sounds like maybe she made some poor choices.

But that’s not the same as vindicating the troglodyte that attacked her.

carnardly said :

that location looks particularly classy and romantic…

…and just perfect for gobbling a drunk stranger’s trouser snake.

Why do we have alcohol at all? :\

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Genie said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Genie said :

So after reading the extract of proceedings…

The ‘victim’ watched this guy get kicked out of a night club for aggressive behaviour, follows him into the alley while making out, gets on her knees and gives him oral to the point where he got aggressive an almost choked her. THEN she strips off naked for some anal action.. Uhhh hello???

I like the way you put victim in inverted commas, because she clearly deserved to get belted by him. Tool.

I’m not saying she deserved it…but how many more warning signs did she need.

After he assaulted her the first time, she still stripped off for some lane way action.

You have to wonder what drugs she was also taking or what was going through her head at the time.

then why the inverted commas?

She consented to everything right up until being punched… My comments were made regarding the act she consented to – hence not a victim at that time.

PBO said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Genie said :

You have to wonder what … was going through her head at the time.

Um, his dick?

ROFLSOIDMTARAIILAP
(rolling on floor laughing so hard i dropped my taco and rolled around in it like a pig.)

ahem…..heh heh

Thats just wrong and unnecessary and such language should not be tolerated.

OMG funniest post I’ve read in a long time… I laughed so hard I cried…..

PBO said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Genie said :

You have to wonder what … was going through her head at the time.

Um, his dick?

ROFLSOIDMTARAIILAP
(rolling on floor laughing so hard i dropped my taco and rolled around in it like a pig.)

ahem…..heh heh

Thats just wrong but piss funny and such language should be tolerated.

Fixed that for you

Every time I get an update on this thread I end up in hysterics. Brilliant guys!!!

HenryBG said :

buzz819 said :

HenryBG said :

johnboy said :

Wow, HenryBG now saying that Police should charge people for committing minor crimes, yet still berates them for enforcing drug laws… Good double standards there Henry!

Committing public indecency is not in any way similar to having a glass of wine/cup of coffee/smoking a joint.

And this wasn’t stripping off and doing a streak home on a dare, this was a pair of consenting adults choosing to commit a string of disgusting acts of indecency in a public place.

If police don’t prosecute people for this kind of behaviour, then you are normalising it.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Anal sex is not illegal anymore.

It remains an amazingly bad idea, though.

As they say, “Brown or Pink? Stop and Think!”
.

Even though it appears that the illegal act of taking drugs is what probably started this whole fiasco?

I am willing to bet that large numbers of people took illegal drugs that night.
How many ended up naked, failing to have sex in an alley way and then beating each other up?

Well at the moment there is at least 50% of the people that we know that were out that night. That is a pretty high rate.

You have to see that your double standards are atrocious. Police either enforce all laws and use discretion (whose to say that the young lady was not taken to the Police station and cautioned for this?), or they pick and choose what laws to enforce, which is what you are saying they should do, because this would not lead corruption or anything.

colourful sydney racing identity4:06 pm 14 Jun 12

HenryBG said :

greyswandir said :

HenryBG said :

She broke the law.
He broke the law.

Only one of them was charged.

The notion that all laws are equally enforced, and all crimes are equally worthy of prosecution, is laughable. In a perfect world we’d all be law-abiding citizens, but we’re not. And quite frankly I’d prefer my police force focus on punishing violent antisocial behaviour than skeezy back-alley sex. I don’t think a lack of enforcement is going to result in a wave of outdoor, alleyway sex overtaking our fair city and sinking it into a mire of indecency… but maybe I’m just an optimist.

And of course, where would we find enough people to go on jury duty?

Excellent point.
The current system excludes just about everybody with an education or a productive job and relies on public servants to function.
This obviously skews the results of justice – and it may even be, as you are hinting, presenting an actual barrier to justice being served in the first place.

Now, if only they would adequately compensate people for their time – people whose time is actually valuable, as opposed to public servants’ time – by compensating them for their loss of income whilst sitting in a jury, then you would get proper representation among juries.

I actually think it would be beneficial to society if they were more barriers to prevent people like you performing jury duty.

HenryBG said :

greyswandir said :

HenryBG said :

She broke the law.
He broke the law.

Only one of them was charged.

The notion that all laws are equally enforced, and all crimes are equally worthy of prosecution, is laughable. In a perfect world we’d all be law-abiding citizens, but we’re not. And quite frankly I’d prefer my police force focus on punishing violent antisocial behaviour than skeezy back-alley sex. I don’t think a lack of enforcement is going to result in a wave of outdoor, alleyway sex overtaking our fair city and sinking it into a mire of indecency… but maybe I’m just an optimist.

And of course, where would we find enough people to go on jury duty?

Excellent point.
The current system excludes just about everybody with an education or a productive job and relies on public servants to function.
This obviously skews the results of justice – and it may even be, as you are hinting, presenting an actual barrier to justice being served in the first place.

Now, if only they would adequately compensate people for their time – people whose time is actually valuable, as opposed to public servants’ time – by compensating them for their loss of income whilst sitting in a jury, then you would get proper representation among juries.

I think that any system that discourages people of your disposition from having an active role in determining the guilt or innocence of potential criminals is a good one.

buzz819 said :

HenryBG said :

johnboy said :

Wow, HenryBG now saying that Police should charge people for committing minor crimes, yet still berates them for enforcing drug laws… Good double standards there Henry!

Committing public indecency is not in any way similar to having a glass of wine/cup of coffee/smoking a joint.

And this wasn’t stripping off and doing a streak home on a dare, this was a pair of consenting adults choosing to commit a string of disgusting acts of indecency in a public place.

If police don’t prosecute people for this kind of behaviour, then you are normalising it.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Anal sex is not illegal anymore.

It remains an amazingly bad idea, though.

As they say, “Brown or Pink? Stop and Think!”
.

Even though it appears that the illegal act of taking drugs is what probably started this whole fiasco?

I am willing to bet that large numbers of people took illegal drugs that night.
How many ended up naked, failing to have sex in an alley way and then beating each other up?

VYBerlinaV8_is_back4:04 pm 14 Jun 12

bundah said :

Postalgeek said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Also, lol you need lube, that’s why it didn’t go in, or maybe Danny’s knob was just too little, that’s why he is so full of rage?

That, or 10 bourbons.

HenryBG said :

He has hopefully learnt something from this cock-up and will make sure he never does anything even remotely like this again.

It was many things, but it would seem the one thing it wasn’t was a ‘cock-up’.

This post has clearly exhausted the bottom line given the endless string of innuendos….yes most have rammed their point home with gay abandon!!

Innuendo? In YOUR endo!

that location looks particularly classy and romantic…

tonkatuff82 said :

HenryBG said :

johnboy said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Anal sex is not illegal anymore.

It remains an amazingly bad idea, though.

As they say, “Brown or Pink? Stop and Think!”
.

What planet are you from?

or

UTBNB (I won’t explain)

greyswandir said :

HenryBG said :

She broke the law.
He broke the law.

Only one of them was charged.

The notion that all laws are equally enforced, and all crimes are equally worthy of prosecution, is laughable. In a perfect world we’d all be law-abiding citizens, but we’re not. And quite frankly I’d prefer my police force focus on punishing violent antisocial behaviour than skeezy back-alley sex. I don’t think a lack of enforcement is going to result in a wave of outdoor, alleyway sex overtaking our fair city and sinking it into a mire of indecency… but maybe I’m just an optimist.

And of course, where would we find enough people to go on jury duty?

Excellent point.
The current system excludes just about everybody with an education or a productive job and relies on public servants to function.
This obviously skews the results of justice – and it may even be, as you are hinting, presenting an actual barrier to justice being served in the first place.

Now, if only they would adequately compensate people for their time – people whose time is actually valuable, as opposed to public servants’ time – by compensating them for their loss of income whilst sitting in a jury, then you would get proper representation among juries.

tonkatuff82 said :

HenryBG said :

johnboy said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Anal sex is not illegal anymore.

It remains an amazingly bad idea, though.

As they say, “Brown or Pink? Stop and Think!”
.

What planet are you from?

I think he is from a place where they can painlessly sit down without any hassles.

Postalgeek said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Also, lol you need lube, that’s why it didn’t go in, or maybe Danny’s knob was just too little, that’s why he is so full of rage?

That, or 10 bourbons.

HenryBG said :

He has hopefully learnt something from this cock-up and will make sure he never does anything even remotely like this again.

It was many things, but it would seem the one thing it wasn’t was a ‘cock-up’.

This post has clearly exhausted the bottom line given the endless string of innuendos….yes most have rammed their point home with gay abandon!!

VYBerlinaV8_is_back3:55 pm 14 Jun 12

aceofspades said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

aceofspades said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

aceofspades said :

I really do think he is probably extremely embarrassed and wishing the whole night just never happened as I am sure many of us that have been out on a big night have done. Alcohol and drugs do these things and he really can’t be held entirely responsible on the grounds that at the time he wasn’t really “of sane mind”. As a clean skin the sentence is appropriate and he has probably learnt his lesson already. Having said that, this thread is hysterical!

So getting drunk and blasted means you’re not responsible for your actions?

Yeah, I guess you are responsible for getting “drunk and blasted” but I doubt there would be many free people if we incarcerate everybody that does. In this case he has stood before a judge and been punished. I don’t think his punishment is unreasonable and I don’t believe being a judge would be an extremely easy job. What sentence do you think he should have received?

The only bit I have a problem with is the concept that if you get trashed then you’re not responsible for your actions. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.

In this case probably a better word would be accountable instead of responsible. Who has not drunk so much that they are no longer a responsible adult and then wake up the next morning very much accountable.

Fair point, and well made.

HenryBG said :

johnboy said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Anal sex is not illegal anymore.

It remains an amazingly bad idea, though.

As they say, “Brown or Pink? Stop and Think!”
.

What planet are you from?

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

aceofspades said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

aceofspades said :

I really do think he is probably extremely embarrassed and wishing the whole night just never happened as I am sure many of us that have been out on a big night have done. Alcohol and drugs do these things and he really can’t be held entirely responsible on the grounds that at the time he wasn’t really “of sane mind”. As a clean skin the sentence is appropriate and he has probably learnt his lesson already. Having said that, this thread is hysterical!

So getting drunk and blasted means you’re not responsible for your actions?

Yeah, I guess you are responsible for getting “drunk and blasted” but I doubt there would be many free people if we incarcerate everybody that does. In this case he has stood before a judge and been punished. I don’t think his punishment is unreasonable and I don’t believe being a judge would be an extremely easy job. What sentence do you think he should have received?

The only bit I have a problem with is the concept that if you get trashed then you’re not responsible for your actions. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.

In this case probably a better word would be accountable instead of responsible. Who has not drunk so much that they are no longer a responsible adult and then wake up the next morning very much accountable.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Also, lol you need lube, that’s why it didn’t go in, or maybe Danny’s knob was just too little, that’s why he is so full of rage?

That, or 10 bourbons.

HenryBG said :

He has hopefully learnt something from this cock-up and will make sure he never does anything even remotely like this again.

It was many things, but it would seem the one thing it wasn’t was a ‘cock-up’.

greyswandir said :

HenryBG said :

She broke the law.
He broke the law.

Only one of them was charged.

The notion that all laws are equally enforced, and all crimes are equally worthy of prosecution, is laughable. In a perfect world we’d all be law-abiding citizens, but we’re not. And quite frankly I’d prefer my police force focus on punishing violent antisocial behaviour than skeezy back-alley sex. I don’t think a lack of enforcement is going to result in a wave of outdoor, alleyway sex overtaking our fair city and sinking it into a mire of indecency… but maybe I’m just an optimist.

And of course, where would we find enough people to go on jury duty?

END THREAD!!!

colourful sydney racing identity3:28 pm 14 Jun 12

Genie said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Genie said :

So after reading the extract of proceedings…

The ‘victim’ watched this guy get kicked out of a night club for aggressive behaviour, follows him into the alley while making out, gets on her knees and gives him oral to the point where he got aggressive an almost choked her. THEN she strips off naked for some anal action.. Uhhh hello???

I like the way you put victim in inverted commas, because she clearly deserved to get belted by him. Tool.

I’m not saying she deserved it…but how many more warning signs did she need.

After he assaulted her the first time, she still stripped off for some lane way action.

You have to wonder what drugs she was also taking or what was going through her head at the time.

then why the inverted commas?

but by God it’s funny…..

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Genie said :

You have to wonder what … was going through her head at the time.

Um, his dick?

ROFLSOIDMTARAIILAP
(rolling on floor laughing so hard i dropped my taco and rolled around in it like a pig.)

ahem…..heh heh

Thats just wrong and unnecessary and such language should not be tolerated.

HenryBG said :

this was a pair of consenting adults choosing to commit a string of disgusting acts of indecency in a public place.

Dude, how old are you?

VYBerlinaV8_is_back2:48 pm 14 Jun 12

Genie said :

You have to wonder what … was going through her head at the time.

Um, his dick?

VYBerlinaV8_is_back2:44 pm 14 Jun 12

aceofspades said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

aceofspades said :

I really do think he is probably extremely embarrassed and wishing the whole night just never happened as I am sure many of us that have been out on a big night have done. Alcohol and drugs do these things and he really can’t be held entirely responsible on the grounds that at the time he wasn’t really “of sane mind”. As a clean skin the sentence is appropriate and he has probably learnt his lesson already. Having said that, this thread is hysterical!

So getting drunk and blasted means you’re not responsible for your actions?

Yeah, I guess you are responsible for getting “drunk and blasted” but I doubt there would be many free people if we incarcerate everybody that does. In this case he has stood before a judge and been punished. I don’t think his punishment is unreasonable and I don’t believe being a judge would be an extremely easy job. What sentence do you think he should have received?

The only bit I have a problem with is the concept that if you get trashed then you’re not responsible for your actions. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.

HenryBG said :

johnboy said :

Wow, HenryBG now saying that Police should charge people for committing minor crimes, yet still berates them for enforcing drug laws… Good double standards there Henry!

Committing public indecency is not in any way similar to having a glass of wine/cup of coffee/smoking a joint.

And this wasn’t stripping off and doing a streak home on a dare, this was a pair of consenting adults choosing to commit a string of disgusting acts of indecency in a public place.

If police don’t prosecute people for this kind of behaviour, then you are normalising it.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Anal sex is not illegal anymore.

It remains an amazingly bad idea, though.

As they say, “Brown or Pink? Stop and Think!”
.

Even though it appears that the illegal act of taking drugs is what probably started this whole fiasco?

HenryBG said :

She broke the law.
He broke the law.

Only one of them was charged.

The notion that all laws are equally enforced, and all crimes are equally worthy of prosecution, is laughable. In a perfect world we’d all be law-abiding citizens, but we’re not. And quite frankly I’d prefer my police force focus on punishing violent antisocial behaviour than skeezy back-alley sex. I don’t think a lack of enforcement is going to result in a wave of outdoor, alleyway sex overtaking our fair city and sinking it into a mire of indecency… but maybe I’m just an optimist.

johnboy said :

Do you really want to see the victims of violent sexual assaults getting charged with misdemeanours?

I imagine this is exactly what the victim-blaming mentality wants. “Her screaming violated noise restrictions!”

johnboy said :

Wow, HenryBG now saying that Police should charge people for committing minor crimes, yet still berates them for enforcing drug laws… Good double standards there Henry!

Committing public indecency is not in any way similar to having a glass of wine/cup of coffee/smoking a joint.

And this wasn’t stripping off and doing a streak home on a dare, this was a pair of consenting adults choosing to commit a string of disgusting acts of indecency in a public place.

If police don’t prosecute people for this kind of behaviour, then you are normalising it.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Anal sex is not illegal anymore.

It remains an amazingly bad idea, though.

As they say, “Brown or Pink? Stop and Think!”
.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Genie said :

So after reading the extract of proceedings…

The ‘victim’ watched this guy get kicked out of a night club for aggressive behaviour, follows him into the alley while making out, gets on her knees and gives him oral to the point where he got aggressive an almost choked her. THEN she strips off naked for some anal action.. Uhhh hello???

I like the way you put victim in inverted commas, because she clearly deserved to get belted by him. Tool.

I’m not saying she deserved it…but how many more warning signs did she need.

After he assaulted her the first time, she still stripped off for some lane way action.

You have to wonder what drugs she was also taking or what was going through her head at the time.

jdazzle said :

interesting that weed and weed mean at least two different things. are you sure it is wee-d?

For a second i was picturing the scene from American Beauty where the girl is rain upon with rose petals, only with buds and pot leaves raining down upon a grinning person who looks like the have weed-induced downs syndrome. Sadly, my imagination has let me down again.

Dammit Danny, you are not R.Kelly!

johnboy said :

Do you really want to see the victims of violent sexual assaults getting charged with misdemeanours?

Of course he does – there’s probably also some sort of explanation as to how it was all her fault and why immigrants were involved as well.

HenryBG said :

greyswandir said :

If we charged every idiot who’s partly naked out in civic with public indecency half the male population would get done for urinating on building corners which would chew up police resources and further clog our ridiculously backdated courts. Let’s keep our perspective here.

What do you think happens if the cops decide to not prosecute lots of people for breaking the small laws?

Did you not notice what happened when the police decided to go softly-softly on the Lebanese in Western Sydney for the second half of the 1990’S?

greyswandir said :

Her behaviour is not the issue.

She broke the law. Her behaviour is distinctly an issue.

greyswandir said :

She did something (arguably) trashy. He did something definitively violent. This is a very straightforward comparison.

She broke the law.
He broke the law.

Only one of them was charged.

Wow, HenryBG now saying that Police should charge people for committing minor crimes, yet still berates them for enforcing drug laws… Good double standards there Henry!

Been there, done that …….. oh wait

greyswandir said :

If we charged every idiot who’s partly naked out in civic with public indecency half the male population would get done for urinating on building corners which would chew up police resources and further clog our ridiculously backdated courts. Let’s keep our perspective here.

What do you think happens if the cops decide to not prosecute lots of people for breaking the small laws?

Did you not notice what happened when the police decided to go softly-softly on the Lebanese in Western Sydney for the second half of the 1990’S?

greyswandir said :

Her behaviour is not the issue.

She broke the law. Her behaviour is distinctly an issue.

greyswandir said :

She did something (arguably) trashy. He did something definitively violent. This is a very straightforward comparison.

She broke the law.
He broke the law.

Only one of them was charged.

Do you really want to see the victims of violent sexual assaults getting charged with misdemeanours?

aceofspades said :

Alcohol and drugs do these things and he really can’t be held entirely responsible on the grounds that at the time he wasn’t really “of sane mind”.

he can you know. He was the one who took them. So resposability for his behaviour is all his since he was the one responsable for taking the drugs in teh first place.

aceofspades said :

As a clean skin the sentence is appropriate and he has probably learnt his lesson already!

Clean skin maybe but is the punishment appropriate for the violence and the illegal drug taking?{quote comment=”412687″] She did something (arguably) trashy. He did something definitively violent. This is a very straightforward comparison.

Finally someone has spelt out the problem in clear-easy-to-understand words for everyone. Well done greyswandir. Now can we stop this silly focusing on the girl and not on the actual crime please?

colourful sydney racing identity1:20 pm 14 Jun 12

Genie said :

So after reading the extract of proceedings…

The ‘victim’ watched this guy get kicked out of a night club for aggressive behaviour, follows him into the alley while making out, gets on her knees and gives him oral to the point where he got aggressive an almost choked her. THEN she strips off naked for some anal action.. Uhhh hello???

I like the way you put victim in inverted commas, because she clearly deserved to get belted by him. Tool.

Genie said :

So after reading the extract of proceedings…

The ‘victim’ watched this guy get kicked out of a night club for aggressive behaviour, follows him into the alley while making out, gets on her knees and gives him oral to the point where he got aggressive an almost choked her. THEN she strips off naked for some anal action.. Uhhh hello???

I’m thinking maybe, just maybe, she ignored a few little warning signs.

As for Danny, it sounds like as well as easing back on the booze and coke, he probably should give the gonzo porn a rest, too.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

aceofspades said :

I really do think he is probably extremely embarrassed and wishing the whole night just never happened as I am sure many of us that have been out on a big night have done. Alcohol and drugs do these things and he really can’t be held entirely responsible on the grounds that at the time he wasn’t really “of sane mind”. As a clean skin the sentence is appropriate and he has probably learnt his lesson already. Having said that, this thread is hysterical!

So getting drunk and blasted means you’re not responsible for your actions?

Yeah, I guess you are responsible for getting “drunk and blasted” but I doubt there would be many free people if we incarcerate everybody that does. In this case he has stood before a judge and been punished. I don’t think his punishment is unreasonable and I don’t believe being a judge would be an extremely easy job. What sentence do you think he should have received?

aceofspades said :

I really do think he is probably extremely embarrassed and wishing the whole night just never happened as I am sure many of us that have been out on a big night have done. Alcohol and drugs do these things and he really can’t be held entirely responsible on the grounds that at the time he wasn’t really “of sane mind”. As a clean skin the sentence is appropriate and he has probably learnt his lesson already. Having said that, this thread is hysterical!

BS. He should be held every bit responsible for his actions. Especially as he chose to ingest each of those drinks and the drugs and put himself in a state of impared judgement. It didn’t happen by accident.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back11:54 am 14 Jun 12

aceofspades said :

I really do think he is probably extremely embarrassed and wishing the whole night just never happened as I am sure many of us that have been out on a big night have done. Alcohol and drugs do these things and he really can’t be held entirely responsible on the grounds that at the time he wasn’t really “of sane mind”. As a clean skin the sentence is appropriate and he has probably learnt his lesson already. Having said that, this thread is hysterical!

So getting drunk and blasted means you’re not responsible for your actions?

I really do think he is probably extremely embarrassed and wishing the whole night just never happened as I am sure many of us that have been out on a big night have done. Alcohol and drugs do these things and he really can’t be held entirely responsible on the grounds that at the time he wasn’t really “of sane mind”. As a clean skin the sentence is appropriate and he has probably learnt his lesson already. Having said that, this thread is hysterical!

HenryBG said :

From the Supreme Court link:
“Outside the club they talked and walked off together. They then went down a laneway nearby and continued consensual kissing. They then moved further down the laneway and started to engage in overt sexual activity, first with the woman performing oral sex on Mr Subasic. “

She has clearly broken the law.
What’s more, if she hadn’t the intention of breaking the law, she wouldn’t have been in the laneway with the drug-crazed lunatic.
I guess she could even have stabbed him to death without any fear of of the DPP managing a successful prosecution against her.

*sigh*

If we charged every idiot who’s partly naked out in civic with public indecency half the male population would get done for urinating on building corners which would chew up police resources and further clog our ridiculously backdated courts. Let’s keep our perspective here.

Her behaviour is not the issue. If he’d had a psychotic episode and beaten up one of his mates we wouldn’t be passing judgment on the victim in the callous way you’re passing judgment on her. Can you imagine anyone arguing “He knew his mate was aggressive, why didn’t he just back off and hang out with his other friends! He should have expected the broken teeth/black eye! He should be given a drunk and disorderly charge!” Because I can’t.

She did something (arguably) trashy. He did something definitively violent. This is a very straightforward comparison.

chewy14 said :

After reading the facts in the judgement you really have to wonder about what goes through some people’s heads and their decision making skills.

I don’t know about that.
I can’t see any sign of this guy having any previous brushes with the law.

I am a big supporter of the “three strikes” idea.
It’s people with dozens of priors that piss me off – they should be locked up forever. Or given jobs clearing mines in Afghanistan.

This Subasic character on the other hand has just apparently had his first criminal conviction. He has hopefully learnt something from this cock-up and will make sure he never does anything even remotely like this again.

Jim Jones said :

HenryBG said :

LSWCHP said :

gooterz said :

urchin said :

no prison? really? sexual and physical assault and he gets bail and community service? what do you have to do to get sent to prison/

I take it she wasn’t charged herself for public indecency?

You really need to engage in a considerable period of reflection about your attitude towards women, what’s wrong with it, and what you can do to correct it.

What’s wrong with his attitude towards women?

She decided to commit an act (or several acts) of indecency in a public place.
Is she not guilty of an offence because she’s a woman?

It’s patronising attitudes like yours towards women – denying them any sense of personal responsibility – that holds women back.

Oh … please … stop it … my sides hurt … can’t breathe … laughing … too … hard

From the Supreme Court link:
“Outside the club they talked and walked off together. They then went down a laneway nearby and continued consensual kissing. They then moved further down the laneway and started to engage in overt sexual activity, first with the woman performing oral sex on Mr Subasic. “

She has clearly broken the law.
What’s more, if she hadn’t the intention of breaking the law, she wouldn’t have been in the laneway with the drug-crazed lunatic.
I guess she could even have stabbed him to death without any fear of of the DPP managing a successful prosecution against her.

So after reading the extract of proceedings…

The ‘victim’ watched this guy get kicked out of a night club for aggressive behaviour, follows him into the alley while making out, gets on her knees and gives him oral to the point where he got aggressive an almost choked her. THEN she strips off naked for some anal action.. Uhhh hello???

chewy14 said :

After reading the facts in the judgement you really have to wonder about what goes through some people’s heads and their decision making skills.

A whole sh1tload of liquor and cocaine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_WgCGOWae4

After reading the facts in the judgement you really have to wonder about what goes through some people’s heads and their decision making skills.

HenryBG said :

LSWCHP said :

gooterz said :

urchin said :

no prison? really? sexual and physical assault and he gets bail and community service? what do you have to do to get sent to prison/

I take it she wasn’t charged herself for public indecency?

You really need to engage in a considerable period of reflection about your attitude towards women, what’s wrong with it, and what you can do to correct it.

What’s wrong with his attitude towards women?

She decided to commit an act (or several acts) of indecency in a public place.
Is she not guilty of an offence because she’s a woman?

It’s patronising attitudes like yours towards women – denying them any sense of personal responsibility – that holds women back.

Oh … please … stop it … my sides hurt … can’t breathe … laughing … too … hard

After having read the edited extract of the court proceedings i have even more contempt for his greatness Justice Refshauge who appears to share similar views on sentencing as his highness Higgins!! Suspended sentences, slap on the wrist far too much leniency for my liking.

Anyone who is a product of a dysfunctional upbringing will always get sympathy from these two prize idiots bugger the victims!!

VYBerlinaV8_is_back9:30 am 14 Jun 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

… maybe Danny’s knob was just too little, that’s why he is so full of rage?

Like throwing a broomstick up an alley.

LSWCHP said :

gooterz said :

urchin said :

no prison? really? sexual and physical assault and he gets bail and community service? what do you have to do to get sent to prison/

I take it she wasn’t charged herself for public indecency?

You really need to engage in a considerable period of reflection about your attitude towards women, what’s wrong with it, and what you can do to correct it.

What’s wrong with his attitude towards women?

She decided to commit an act (or several acts) of indecency in a public place.
Is she not guilty of an offence because she’s a woman?

It’s patronising attitudes like yours towards women – denying them any sense of personal responsibility – that holds women back.

gazket said :

What is it with young people these days and not being able to handle their booze and drugs they are such pussy’s . 10 bourbons and a gram of speed and his off his head trying to dry hump a mud track.

At least he didn’t try an eat her face off or mail bits of her to politcians.

What is it with young people these days and not being able to handle their booze and drugs they are such pussy’s . 10 bourbons and a gram of speed and his off his head trying to dry hump a mud track.

Tetranitrate10:54 pm 13 Jun 12

Lissy said :

I take it she wasn’t charged herself for public indecency?

I would have thought that repeated attempts at anal sex, repeatedly being hit, tripped over and peed on might suffice, but hey, get her for that public indecency right?

The anal sex was consensual though – something that isn’t quite clear in the overview of the proceedings in the original post. She was all for anal-love in the alleyway.

gooterz said :

urchin said :

no prison? really? sexual and physical assault and he gets bail and community service? what do you have to do to get sent to prison/

I take it she wasn’t charged herself for public indecency?

You really need to engage in a considerable period of reflection about your attitude towards women, what’s wrong with it, and what you can do to correct it.

Some serious crazy there.

This total arseclown, through some miracle, actually finds a woman who will go out with him into a crappy alley in Civic in the middle of the night, take off her clothes and have sex with him.

However, being presented with a compliant, consensual sexual partner under these very unusual circumstances isn’t good enough for him, and he had to push the situation into inflicting violence and degradation on the woman.

Rape is about power, not sex. I reckon no matter what that woman agreed to do, she was in for trouble. This bloke wasn’t looking for sex, he was looking for a situation where he could violently rape and humiliate a woman. If she’d agreed to his foul demands he would’ve found another excuse to assault and humiliate her.

Disgusting grub. He should be flogged.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd10:20 pm 13 Jun 12

Anal sex is not illegal anymore.

I take it she wasn’t charged herself for public indecency?

I would have thought that repeated attempts at anal sex, repeatedly being hit, tripped over and peed on might suffice, but hey, get her for that public indecency right?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:14 pm 13 Jun 12

Why was is necessary for them to talk about the anal? She said it was consentual. Pretty graphic for something that shouldn’t effect the case. Also, lol you need lube, that’s why it didn’t go in, or maybe Danny’s knob was just too little, that’s why he is so full of rage?

And in any case, everyone knows that it’s only indecent for a man to be naked in public anyway, so it’s an irrelevant question.

gooterz said :

I take it she wasn’t charged herself for public indecency?

I think there’s a Zen koan that applies to this situation.

If an Academy patron is naked in a laneway, and no-one is there to see it, was there public indecency?

gooterz said :

urchin said :

no prison? really? sexual and physical assault and he gets bail and community service? what do you have to do to get sent to prison/

I take it she wasn’t charged herself for public indecency?

That would be ludicrous, don’t be offensive.

This weekend there’ll be dozens of priests, high ranking military officers and members of the judiciary hoping Danny will be there to do the same to them.

urchin said :

no prison? really? sexual and physical assault and he gets bail and community service? what do you have to do to get sent to prison/

I take it she wasn’t charged herself for public indecency?

urchin said :

no prison? really? sexual and physical assault and he gets bail and community service? what do you have to do to get sent to prison/

Commit a crime in another state?

screaming banshee7:21 pm 13 Jun 12

Without much precedent it’s hard to tell but I think as long as they don’t violate a family member of the ‘honour’ they’re going to get off.

no prison? really? sexual and physical assault and he gets bail and community service? what do you have to do to get sent to prison/

screaming banshee5:45 pm 13 Jun 12

EvanJames said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

interestingly he is an incorporated entity – http://businessprofiles.com/details/danny-james-subasic/AU-66287795956

What is that though? Some kind of US registry, that’s not an ABN he has there.

Yeah it is

he sounds like a lovely chap…… I bet his parents are proud.

The one really bright point in this is the man who went to the woman’s assistance.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

interestingly he is an incorporated entity – http://businessprofiles.com/details/danny-james-subasic/AU-66287795956

What is that though? Some kind of US registry, that’s not an ABN he has there.

Community service? He’d go down a treat with all that watersport type stuff with the peados in AMC.

Oppertunity lost I suppose.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

interestingly he is an incorporated entity – http://businessprofiles.com/details/danny-james-subasic/AU-66287795956

i wonder what he sells?

Can’t believe the girl left him!

I generally have faith in the reporting on this site, especially on this subject matter. This, for instance, was dealt with well: http://the-riotact.com/do-you-know-this-alleged-rapist/68022 despite the comments, but the tone and implications of this article really worry me.

Any reporting of a sexual assault that ends with a lesson for the victim generally seems to miss the mark, and I worry this is headed towards victim blaming territory.

greyswandir said :

I feel like the moral of the story should be ‘People shouldn’t mix alcohol and drugs because it can make you psychotic’.

+1

greyswandir said :

Dilandach said :

and whilst the ladies would be going “oh that’s disgusting, I’d never go with someone like that” would still swoon over the ‘bad boy’.

Seriously? What’s with the victim-blaming, dude? Finding a particular archetype attractive doesnt somehow translate into “women bring this sort of thing on themselves”.

Mr Subasic mixed drugs and assaulted someone in a horrible way. Her attraction to ‘bad boys’ or otherwise – as we’ve no idea whether that’s the case – is irrelevant.

I’d beg to differ. You aim to hang around the knuckle dragging filth of society and you’re going to be on the receiving end of their behaviour.

Responsibility for ones own actions seems to be a foreign concept to some. You engage in risky behaviour with risky people… how could anyone be shocked that it turns out badly. ‘Risky’ isn’t another word for ‘Completely safe with no consequences’.

Dilandach said :

and whilst the ladies would be going “oh that’s disgusting, I’d never go with someone like that” would still swoon over the ‘bad boy’.

Yet another dude on the internet with massive women issues. Seriously, if you can’t get laid, it’s not because women like being treated like sh1t.

colourful sydney racing identity3:23 pm 13 Jun 12

interestingly he is an incorporated entity – http://businessprofiles.com/details/danny-james-subasic/AU-66287795956

and isnt there redundancy with laneway and, alternatively, back passage?

interesting that weed and weed mean at least two different things. are you sure it is wee-d?

Dilandach said :

and whilst the ladies would be going “oh that’s disgusting, I’d never go with someone like that” would still swoon over the ‘bad boy’.

Seriously? What’s with the victim-blaming, dude? Finding a particular archetype attractive doesnt somehow translate into “women bring this sort of thing on themselves”.

Mr Subasic mixed drugs and assaulted someone in a horrible way. Her attraction to ‘bad boys’ or otherwise – as we’ve no idea whether that’s the case – is irrelevant.

I hate it when that happens.

and whilst the ladies would be going “oh that’s disgusting, I’d never go with someone like that” would still swoon over the ‘bad boy’.

There are some people who just never ever be allowed to drink…if only that were possible!!

I feel like the moral of the story should be ‘People shouldn’t mix alcohol and drugs because it can make you psychotic’.

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