Darryl Potts gets his guns back

LSWCHP said :

fgzk said :

Captwaaf You might have to wait your turn. Personally I prefer to vilify men with guns, violent men, and violent men with guns..

More pre-canned verbiage without thought. Violent men with guns are some of our most revered national heroes. Every Anzac day I take my kids to the AWM, and I retell the story of WO2 Kevin “Dasher” Wheatley VC, who I regard as the greatest Australian military hero. He was a violent man with a gun, and he gave his life so that his mate Butch Swanton wouldn’t have to die alone. There are thousands of similar stories.

Violence isn’t a good thing, but in an imperfect world it’s sometimes necessary. And Dasher Wheatley should never be idly tarred with the same brush as some low-life criminal with a blackmarket firearm.

In civilian life I agree that firearms should be kept out of the hands of people who are criminally inclined, mentally ill etc. And there should be strict requirements for their safe storage and use. Other than that, my experience has been that men (and women) with guns are generally less (often far less) dangerous then men with cars.

It’s easy to spray cliches and banalities around…”All firearm owners are The Spawn Of Satan and they deserve a bit of vilification so here it comes” etc. It’s obviously a little harder to deal with the complexities and nuances of such issues in a thoughtful manner.

I’m sure that those who disagree will be compelled to open fire, as it were. 🙂

I disagree strongly with you in regards to denying people access to guns due to mental illness. There are different kinds and degrees of mental illness and ppl that suffer from it recieve enough discrimmination as it is. There is a distinct difference between someone who is psychotic and someone who is anxious. If someone who suffers a mental illness is NOT a danger to themselves or others they should be allowed a gun licence. Thankfully the police see it the same was as me. I do agree with keeping firearms out of the hands of known criminals however for obvious reasons.

Oh and fgzk – you are a twit.

LSWCHP said :

fgzk said :

Captwaaf You might have to wait your turn. Personally I prefer to vilify men with guns, violent men, and violent men with guns..

More pre-canned verbiage without thought. Violent men with guns are some of our most revered national heroes. Every Anzac day I take my kids to the AWM, and I retell the story of WO2 Kevin “Dasher” Wheatley VC, who I regard as the greatest Australian military hero. He was a violent man with a gun, and he gave his life so that his mate Butch Swanton wouldn’t have to die alone. There are thousands of similar stories.

Violence isn’t a good thing, but in an imperfect world it’s sometimes necessary. And Dasher Wheatley should never be idly tarred with the same brush as some low-life criminal with a blackmarket firearm.

In civilian life I agree that firearms should be kept out of the hands of people who are criminally inclined, mentally ill etc. And there should be strict requirements for their safe storage and use. Other than that, my experience has been that men (and women) with guns are generally less (often far less) dangerous then men with cars.

It’s easy to spray cliches and banalities around…”All firearm owners are The Spawn Of Satan and they deserve a bit of vilification so here it comes” etc. It’s obviously a little harder to deal with the complexities and nuances of such issues in a thoughtful manner.

I’m sure that those who disagree will be compelled to open fire, as it were. 🙂

I disagree strongly with you in regards to denying people access to guns due to mental illness. There are different kinds and degrees of mental illness and ppl that suffer from it recieve enough discrimmination as it is. There is a distinct difference between someone who is psychotic and someone who is anxious. If someone who suffers a mental illness is NOT a danger to themselves or others they should be allowed a gun licence. Thankfully the police see it the same was as me. I do agree with keeping firearms out of the hands of known criminals however for obvious reasons.

Knives are used to threaten. They are kept in the open, easy to get rid of, chuck them in the bushes. Guns are kept in a locked box with access limited to the owner. Harder to get rid of unless you can get the key..

I find it hard to believe that some of you can’t except how people might find it threatening to have a gun in the house. More so if their owner is violent.

Captain RAAF said :

And so he outta!

What is it about bigots and gunz?

fgzk said :

I think you miss the piont of vilification. Best stick to what you know. Back to picking on the weak LSWCHP.

It’s fairly evident that in your case I have been picking on the weak, or at least the weak-minded.

fgzk said :

I don’t need to know any facts to vilify a group. The less I know the more righteous my vilification. Im just following a well worn path of spreading lies and miss-information about a group of people. Gun owners are murderous bastards. They kill women and children. Read the newspapers. Why would I want to know about scum like that.

A spray like that seems to indicate a tenuous grasp on reality at best. “I don’t need to know any facts to vilify a group?” WTF is that all about? And the rest of it is just addled gibberish as far as I can tell.

A waste of time, bytes, pixels and bandwidth.

fgzk said :

What ever your opinion the fear they create in domestics is very real.

As opposed to the fear we all feel because in every kitchen there is a 12 inch bread knife. How many domestic bread knifing incidents are there ?

Very tenuous linkages.

I don’t need to know any facts to vilify a group. The less I know the more righteous my vilification. Im just following a well worn path of spreading lies and miss-information about a group of people. Gun owners are murderous bastards. They kill women and children. Read the newspapers. Why would I want to know about scum like that.

What ever your opinion the fear they create in domestics is very real.

fgzk said :

Wouldn’t his security clearance be reviewed anyway. Extreme right wingers are involved in political violence, bombings and shootings, around the world. How could you guarantee his beliefs wont translate into political violence in the future.

Sounds like you are presuming he is guilty already and you have probably never met the person or know the first thing about him except what is written here and in the newspapers (and we all know how factual newspaper stories are…).

fgzk said :

Living in fear of what a gun owner will do during a domestic or a relationship breakup is horrible. People who live in small towns or are isolated suffer horribly. Add to this the pressure of police turning up to take the beloved guns and you get a whole new meaning to fear and terror.

Thanks for spreading the irrational fear about law abiding, perfectly normal citizens who just happen to own firearms. Owning firearms does not automatically make you prone to violent attacks on loved ones, random people or political leaders, nor does it make you a racist, redneck, flannelet wearing, F100 driving loony. In a domestic violence situation, if one party was in the mind space of doing the other in, firearms are probably well down the list from knives, hammers, rocks and bits of 4×2 with nails in the end as the weapon of choice. I’m sure the headline of this article would not be anywhere near as exciting and not provoke the same knee trembling ‘we’ll all be klilled’ response if it read “Darryl Potts gets his Wiltshire Knife Block Back”.

The general beat up on gun owners stems from the media spreading alarm and despondency amongst feeble minded individual and politicians who haven’t a clue about the facts involved, like Bob Browns recent claims that there was 300 000 “hand machine guns” in Australia when in fact private ownership of a “hand machine gun” is illegal and was even before the tighter gun restrictions in 1996. We also have the gun control lobby who seem to ignore all the stats about gun related crime and violence declining steadily and make up their own stats to justify their claims to ban all firearms in private ownership.

Have a read of some of the hard facts about handgun crime from the Australian Institute of Criminology. 16% of homicides involve firearms, less than 20% of armed robberies, the majority of those used (85%) were not registered and therefore illegal firearms.

fgzk said :

. Extreme right wingers are involved in political violence, bombings and shootings, around the world. How could you guarantee his beliefs wont translate into political violence in the future.

Last time I checked there were plenty of left wingers out there who were prepared to use violence to achieve their aims too.

Living in fear of what a gun owner will do during a domestic or a relationship breakup is horrible. People who live in small towns or are isolated suffer horribly. Add to this the pressure of police turning up to take the beloved guns and you get a whole new meaning to fear and terror.

I doubt family and friends cherish Mr Potts pistol shooting as much as he does. Its made a little more horrible as Mr Potts subscribes to the taking of life for dodgy political reasons. Good on the police for giving Mr Potts something to think about. Better luck next time.

Wouldn’t his security clearance be reviewed anyway. Extreme right wingers are involved in political violence, bombings and shootings, around the world. How could you guarantee his beliefs wont translate into political violence in the future.