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Data centre to go to EIS

By johnboy - 6 August 2008 39

You’d think a data centre would be the sort of thing any sane town would want.

Nice clean jobs, encourages better data connections, sits on the edge of town behind barbed wire minding its own business.

But this is Canberra, where nothing is ever so simple.

To that end Andrew Barr has announced that the data centre proposal is going to be asked to complete an Environmental Impact Statement (EIS).

This, happily, punts the issue out past the election.

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Data centre to go to EIS
peterh 4:00 pm 06 Aug 08

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

one thing i noticed was that retail still was on an increase, and as i was renting, there wasn’t much of a squeeze on me.

Not sure I know what you mean here…

I was working in retail, people were still buying computers and software, and we really didn’t see a downturn at all.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_ 3:43 pm 06 Aug 08

one thing i noticed was that retail still was on an increase, and as i was renting, there wasn’t much of a squeeze on me.

Not sure I know what you mean here…

Cletus 3:36 pm 06 Aug 08

Hah. Relax environmental standards when the economy is doing badly. The destruction of only one of those things means the end of the world. I bet you’re exactly the same type of short sighted greedy baby boomer behind half the problems with the environment today.

It is not the token right of big business to make a killing at the expense of the environment. You do not have some god given right to own 3 cars and a boat and a monstrosity of a house. Hope you’re enjoying your increasing energy prices and interest rates, though. Look at your friendly family business Exxon’s profits. Oh yeah, let’s give them some more tax cuts too in this poor economic environment so that they can pass the savings down to people like you who they care about so much.

peterh 3:13 pm 06 Aug 08

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

when times are tougher?? can it get any worse? (damn, it can. who can say recession)

It can get much, much worse. Have a chat to someone who was a working adult during the last recession, when unemployment got to double figures nationally, interest rates were around 17% (RBA rate is current 7.25%), and there was no commodities boom bringing money into the country. If you lost your job back then it wasn’t a simple case of getting another (even at reduced pay). This was a time when people lost their homes and were selling cars and personal posessions to feed their kids.

Believe me, things aren’t really that bad at the moment – it just looks that way because of the long period of good economic times we’re coming off.

“Have a chat to someone who was a working adult during the last recession??” what, like me?

one thing i noticed was that retail still was on an increase, and as i was renting, there wasn’t much of a squeeze on me.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_ 2:47 pm 06 Aug 08

when times are tougher?? can it get any worse? (damn, it can. who can say recession)

It can get much, much worse. Have a chat to someone who was a working adult during the last recession, when unemployment got to double figures nationally, interest rates were around 17% (RBA rate is current 7.25%), and there was no commodities boom bringing money into the country. If you lost your job back then it wasn’t a simple case of getting another (even at reduced pay). This was a time when people lost their homes and were selling cars and personal posessions to feed their kids.

Believe me, things aren’t really that bad at the moment – it just looks that way because of the long period of good economic times we’re coming off.

Whatsup 2:07 pm 06 Aug 08

They are generating power from the methane from the tip. If you sign up for green power this is one of the sources. See the website http://www.greenpower.gov.au/how-greenpower-works.aspx#qa11 for more information.

The power plant that is being proposed isn’t green power. I would think it would get more support if it was.

Whats wrong with covering the roof of the data centre with solar panels and tossing in a few wind turbines for the cloudy windy days ?

peterh 1:48 pm 06 Aug 08

Whatsup said :

peterh: They aren’t planning to use methane from the tip, there will be turbines that run on natural gas that will be piped in.

I reckon bring on the EIS, that means some people can be held accountable for producing some facts. The waffle that has been published by both the for and against sides has been crap. The EIS will clear it up for once and all… its it going to harm peoples health or not ?

Politically the timing is interesting, it means Stanhope can play the “we’re listening to the community” card for the election then go back to his usual tricks afterwards.

maybe they need to look at reducing the impact on the environment by using methane from the tip. it is there to be used, and is a renewable energy source.

Whatsup 1:29 pm 06 Aug 08

peterh: They aren’t planning to use methane from the tip, there will be turbines that run on natural gas that will be piped in.

I reckon bring on the EIS, that means some people can be held accountable for producing some facts. The waffle that has been published by both the for and against sides has been crap. The EIS will clear it up for once and all… its it going to harm peoples health or not ?

Politically the timing is interesting, it means Stanhope can play the “we’re listening to the community” card for the election then go back to his usual tricks afterwards.

peterh 12:57 pm 06 Aug 08

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

Wasting the time and resources of the private sector is all well and good during strong economic times, but when times are tougher we’ll be wishing we took on nice easy employment opportunities.

when times are tougher?? can it get any worse? (damn, it can. who can say recession)

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_ 12:52 pm 06 Aug 08

Wasting the time and resources of the private sector is all well and good during strong economic times, but when times are tougher we’ll be wishing we took on nice easy employment opportunities.

Clown Killer 12:11 pm 06 Aug 08

Hey, I made “Anarchist” … cool!

sepi 12:11 pm 06 Aug 08

Uh – ACTEW and Jon S wanted it to go ahead, so it was going ahead.

Deb Foskey recommended and EIS on the original larger proposal and was told there was no need.

Then there was the public outcry, the proposal shrank, and Katy G suddenly saw a need for an EIS.

Clown Killer 12:10 pm 06 Aug 08

Pretty much all of the work that would go into an EIS has already been done in the preliminary phase – they’ll just need to repackage a bunch of the consultants reports and probably beef up their Environment Management Plan.

A lot of people think that an EIS is about deciding whether or not a project should go ahead or not – it’s why they often get dissapointed. The EIS really just considered the impacts that will occure when the project goes ahead and what steps if any need to be taken to avoid / ameliorate / mitigate those impact when the project proceeds as planned.

It’s just more money for consultants…

johnboy 12:06 pm 06 Aug 08

Meh, I don’t mind impacts being studied.

I’m just curious how it all got this far before they decided they should do one.

peterh 12:03 pm 06 Aug 08

what impact? they were using gas fired turbines from methane generated from the tip.
it was designed with green in mind.

what happens when they decide canberra is too hard to build in, and go to bungendore??

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