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Democracy Canberra Style

By johnboy - 18 October 2012 64

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Why bother with even having our one lousy vote every four years when the Canberra Times can just tell us how it’s going to be?

At least Noel Towell managed to look at the camera. That’s something.

Oh what the hell let’s laugh at the little Korean man without realising he’s trying to mock the delusions of power.

What’s Your opinion?


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Democracy Canberra Style
Weatherman 3:40 pm 18 Oct 12

Interestingly, there seemed to be a lack of preferred Chief Minister polls in the lead up to the election by the Canberra Times. The lack of scrutiny towards our politicians ensures that they will take us for granted. In long term governments across Australia, irrespective of party, it is a common trend to see politicians taking the electorates for granted during long-term governments. Less administration of government funded projects occur because they expect to be voted in again. If the culture of having long-term governments can be overcome, it gives an incentive for productive governance. It keeps the parties, and politicians in check.

pirate_taco 3:37 pm 18 Oct 12

For those who’d like to know a bit about the cultural meaning behind Gangnam Style, have a read of this article: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/gangnam-style-dissected-the-subversive-message-within-south-koreas-music-video-sensation/261462/#

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT for Ginninderra

smiling politely 3:23 pm 18 Oct 12

astrojax said :

i’d be keen to see more poling – some candidates need to know what that feels like…

Geez Astro, I know you’re anyone’s after a few too many whiskies but I take it you’re speaking rhetorically and not from experience?

On topic, however – shame they couldn’t get a larger sample and that they couldn’t have done at least a couple of decent polls during the campaign proper. But, you know, death of the old newspaper financial model and all that I expect.

My gut instinct has always been that it would be another Labor/Greens minority government. Having said that, moving Zed into Brindabella was a smart option by the Liberals this time around as it should help with the overall swing towards them (regardless of the CT polling, I reckon there’ll be a swing away).

Also, one for Destroy-The-Jointers and others to note – just four out of twenty candidates in Brindabella are women with 23 women candidates out of a total of 74 overall for this election. 31% is surprisingly low, I’d suggest.

jimbocool 3:21 pm 18 Oct 12

Whoa – there’s some major errors in the analysis of the polling in the CT. In the “Seat-by-seat” section the pollster talks about the effect on Labor votes in Brindabella of the retirement of “Former Chief Minister John Stanhope”. Stanhope was in Ginninderra.

The pollster also talks of Greens ”swamping the other minor party voters, so that even if all the ”non-Green” minor party supporters pushed their secondary support to the Liberals, it would not be enough to secure them a third seat.” This isn’t how Hare-Clark preferences work – if all the non-green minor parties gave their preferences to the Libs, it would give them a boost in the early rounds of the count (as minor parties are eliminated first) and it might well allow their candidate to stay ahead of the Greens just long enough in the counts to not get eliminated.

That said, despite some quibbles with some of the interpretation by Patterson, I think the result of 7/6/4 ALP/LIB/GRN is a likely outcome. The seventh seat in Molonglo is deucedly hard to predict, but if the Greens really get 20% of the vote on Saturday, as the poll predicts, they’ll keep their two seats easily. If, however, they get their usual 13-14% then anything can happen to that last seat.

poetix 3:01 pm 18 Oct 12

I had wondered about what was going on in this clip, because the singer is so obviously not ‘pop-star’ in his physical presence. Thanks for the link.

And that yellow suit remains an object of desire, despite the political critique it embodies. Or dresses up.

miz 2:11 pm 18 Oct 12

Given the fair proportion of people who haven’t made up their mind, not sure if the CT has done Labor any favours. Australians don’t like to be ‘told’ and it is irritating that the CT now consider themselves the gnostics on this subject.
PS Thanks for the clip JB, it’s all been getting so intense hasn’t it – a bit of lightening up was just what the doc ordered 🙂

bd84 1:03 pm 18 Oct 12

The status quo would be the worst possible outcome for the ACT, I do hope the other 350,000 odd people are more sensible than the 1000 odd the crimes polled. It would be sad to reward the government that hasn’t done a whole lot with the same or more power.

The popularity polls are really useless bits of information because you only vote for leaders in the seat they are sitting. The leaders of each party always receive a large percentage of votes, but that normally is at the expense of other candidates in the party. If anything the MLAs running in the same seat as their leader are at a higher risk of losing their seat because of the lopsided vote. Both Barr and Corbell didn’t poll very well at the last election, now that Gallagher and Barr are leader and deputy in the same seat, the “popularity” of the two could leave Corbell in trouble.. The joys of having a stupid electoral system…

PantsMan 12:39 pm 18 Oct 12

I really don’t think a phone poll is particularly accurate in Canberra. Soooooo many households do not have a fixed line phone, and the transient population might mix things up a bit.

Also, the 8-10 per cent lead is the danger zone for protest votes. People believe that there is enough of a margin to put the boot in.

It’s nice to know that The Crimes has done the thinking for me though. Can they just hurry up and go bankrupt.

astrojax 12:24 pm 18 Oct 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

johnboy said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

So they should not publish the results of a poll?

Hey it’s their paper, they can do what the like.

In terms of useful analysis the poll would have been IMHO more helpful a month ago and not two days before we do the real thing anyway.

But it’s not about news, it’s about selling advertising.

fair point, I would have like to see more polling in the lead up to the election.

i’d be keen to see more poling – some candidates need to know what that feels like…

colourful sydney rac 12:11 pm 18 Oct 12

johnboy said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

So they should not publish the results of a poll?

Hey it’s their paper, they can do what the like.

In terms of useful analysis the poll would have been IMHO more helpful a month ago and not two days before we do the real thing anyway.

But it’s not about news, it’s about selling advertising.

fair point, I would have like to see more polling in the lead up to the election.

johnboy 12:00 pm 18 Oct 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

So they should not publish the results of a poll?

Hey it’s their paper, they can do what the like.

In terms of useful analysis the poll would have been IMHO more helpful a month ago and not two days before we do the real thing anyway.

But it’s not about news, it’s about selling advertising.

Mysteryman 11:57 am 18 Oct 12

I saw this when I arrived at work this morning. I’ve felt that the Canberra times has been a piece of crap for quite a while now, but this really takes the cake. How are the results of their own poll front page news? How is it even news at all?

I see garbage like this, and I don’t despair at the thought of the print media going under.

Thumper 11:55 am 18 Oct 12

So according the CT it’s this;

ALP 9
Green 5
Lib 4

colourful sydney rac 11:40 am 18 Oct 12

So they should not publish the results of a poll?

pepmeup 11:31 am 18 Oct 12

It is likley Labor will hold power with the help of the greens but I still think the libs are a chance of 3 in brindy and Molonglo, Making final numbers

libs 8
alp 7
greens 2

and I still think an upset could be on the cards in Gindy with Chic pulling off a massive upset.

but i guess we will all know soon enough

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