29 August 2008

Developers win again in Watson

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The Chronicle brings news that the battle to retain Australian Heritage Village as a community asset has been lost.

The government has agreed to rezone this large block as a residential area, bringing a substantial windfall to the owner, developer Bob Winnell. Bob says the business was never viable, and says he is not in the business of subsidising unviable businesses. So why did he buy this block?

It is true that both Australian Heritage Park and the former Canberry Fair went bust in this location. But that was in the days when Watson was the end of Canberra, and the park was in a lonely spot across the one lane Federal Hwy. These days, with all the units nearly surrounding it, and Gungahlin just down the road, I think a nice big enclosed grassy area with a few kiddie rides, bbqs, antique shops, lollie shops, pony rides, ponds and a pub would go down a treat with the locals. (I still miss Clancy’s, the pub you could walk your dog to and tie them up outside.)

There are some formalities to go through, with the rezoning not quite final, but it seems that another community resource is disappearing. There is not a lot for families to do in the inner North, and I am sad that the Heritage Village isn’t getting one last chance to shine.

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I agree. Even if it was just an occasional well-promoted event it would be nice.

My mum and I used to go to the drive in all the time back in Geelong when I was a kid. So much fun, it’s a shame they’ve gone the way of the Dodo.

I was chatting with a workmate at Dendy the other night while we were waiting for ‘Not Quite Hollywood’ to finish and the subject of Drive ins came up. He had been to one in Finland so they still exist. I’m sure there is one in Australia somewhere, I just can’t remember.

I can’t see them being permanently viable again. Maybe it could be done as some sort of once a year ‘reminiscing’ kind of thing. If anyone can come up with a profitable business model then that’s bloody fantastic.

my mum took me to the drive-in to see dragonslayer, I think i was 10. loved that movie, even better on the massive screen and we got to play at the playground too. It was still going when I had my license, used to smuggle in a few friends in the boot of my leyland P76….

sigh.

they were the good times.

now, if i get to the cinema, it is with a 3-year old with the attention span of oh, 6-minutes tops. saw the start of kungfu panda, that was it. Wonder how it ends? have to wait for the DVD….

sepi said :

clancies is in staggering distance to lots of Watson units now though.

And it would be great for an arvo drink with a hamburger.

Agreed! So that makes two of us… Now we need a few hundred more people to make it economically viable. I loved Clancy’s, I used to bike it there and and erratically swerve home after a big session. It would be great to see the place re-open, do what you want with the rest of the site but I reckon Watson needs a pub.

clancies is in staggering distance to lots of Watson units now though.

And it would be great for an arvo drink with a hamburger.

Were they not plans to build a overhead super rest-stop at the Rose Cottage Inn for the snow trade?

Felix the Cat said :

The pub Clancys was OK though, just not what Canberrans want I suppose. There does seem to be an oversupply though, of venues in Canberra that serve alcohol.

Drink driving laws really stymied it – just like the Rose Cottage Inn in Tuggeranong. Its not like it was staggering distance from anywhere much and getting a cab to drive to a pickup on the outskirts of town was nearly impossible.

We used to go to that drive in, do the mattress in the back thing, and we wore our pyjamas. It was extra-exciting as we got to eat TAKE AWAY FOOD! Huge treat. Once in a blue moon. The crackly old speakers you hung on the window were a bit crap though, so it was terribly exciting when they went to those things you hung on the car aerial, and used your car radio.

I hear they’re going to show classic australian movies at Floriade at night this year. waiting to hear what that’ll be about… BYO deck chair and chilled Sauv blanc?

I have – a million times! I think I can get it. hehe….Gifted my ar*e!

Have you never seen ‘Grease’?

: )

I think the drive-in would have huge support in Canberra.

What’s the teenage thing?!

miz said :

Bring back the drive-in!

I still can’t believe the drive-in has gone.

When we were kids mum and dad would stick a mattress in the back of the station wagon … (get your minds out of the gutter people, it was for us kids to sleep on!) … and take us to see Snow White or The Gnomemobile or Tora! Tora! Tora! and we’d play in the playground and buy hot chips at the kiosk and watch the movie in the car until we fell asleep.

[Skip teenage years]

Then when I was all grown up we could drive up and watch Gallipoli and howl at the top of my lungs in the privacy of our car without unduly embarrassing my sister.

I am sad that my kids will never experience the drive-in, apart from the teenage thing.

*hehe*

It is going to be impossible to beat the reliance on roads and cars when we have to drive everywhere to do anything at all.

Dickson swimming pool is the last ‘family venue’ in the inner north that I can think of, and it is only open a third of the year.

And those who live on the Canberry Fair site will have to drive all the way back to Dickson to shop.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy1:48 pm 31 Aug 08

It’s going to be pretty hard to solve the issue of high housing costs if noone wants to build more houses!

(Not saying it’s right, it’s just the way things are…)

^ “In” sigh

Bring back the drive-in!

Holden Caulfield11:55 pm 30 Aug 08

Drag strip anybody?

miz said :

This is sad. Must we ‘infill’ every spare space?

I am pretty sure at best this is edge filling. There is nothing past it.

This was expected, lesson learnt, more trips to Drive ins and Canberry Fair.
So identify the next lame attraction to save, Ok everyone to cockington green this weekend

Any piece of land now is valuable for real estate. Snow bought an airport, and found he could make more by becoming a property developer. The burgeoning population is hungry for land.

This is sad. Must we ‘infill’ every spare space? Soon this city will be so infilled it will belie the ‘Live in Canberra’ marketing (not that I thought it actually gave a realistic impression anyway, unless you live in walking distance of LBG or a winery).

Felix the Cat12:07 pm 30 Aug 08

Sepi – if you reckon the Heritage Village is viable then why don’t you buy the land and re-open it?

Years ago I went to Canberry Fair and rode the roller coaster, it was crap, one of the worst I’ve ever been on.

The pub Clancys was OK though, just not what Canberrans want I suppose. There does seem to be an oversupply though, of venues in Canberra that serve alcohol.

sepi said :

The real story is that the owner has deliberately chosen to do nothing with this site for 10 years. He has let it fall into wrack and ruin, and now uses the dilapidated state as a reason to turn it into housing.

Interesting theory but if the place was making money why would you let it run down? And why would you invest money in a place that wasn’t going to be profitable?

Presumably he bought it for a bargain price, befitting a block zoned for entertainment, and needing a lot of work. So does he at least have to pay a betterment tax or something for getting to build a new suburb on it?

Presumably the previous owners sold it to him for a fair price at the time for a block zoned for accommodation and entertainment on the outskirts of town.

He would have to pay a betterment tax as part of the rezoning but the tax is based on the current value of the land, not what he may have originally paid for it.

My first concert was watching the Choirboys at Canberry Fair one day. Best day ever.

The real story is that the owner has deliberately chosen to do nothing with this site for 10 years. He has let it fall into wrack and ruin, and now uses the dilapidated state as a reason to turn it into housing.

Presumably he bought it for a bargain price, befitting a block zoned for entertainment, and needing a lot of work. So does he at least have to pay a betterment tax or something for getting to build a new suburb on it?

Yep, I have fond memories of it as a thing what I visited when coming to my grandparents (who lived here in the 80s when I was a Wollongong boy)… Even loved the swan ride and the

On the other hand, nobody has been able to do anything with the site at all for about 15 years, so … it’s not spectacularly surprising that it’s turning into a housing development really…

Wide Boy Jake5:00 am 30 Aug 08

I remember the Canberra Beer Belly Championship there on Australia Day 1988. Imagine if anybody tried to stage such an event nowadays!

Fond memories here of the Gravatron, the Swan ride, the Space Shuttle and the half-arsed rollercoaster. I was never old enough to drink in the bar.

Build a bridge and git over it.

ant said :

Canberry Fair was a lot of fun. I remember spending new year’s eve there, with a huge crowd of people, Goanna played the midnight spot.

Dude, Goanna broke up nearly 25 years ago. If the place hasn’t been a go’er in that period of time, its never going to be.

Granny said :

I always think that when a business I liked folds – why didn’t I go there more often?

The various owners of the business probably had the same thoughts.

I loved Canberry Fair and the Heritage Village. We probably didn’t go there enough. I always think that when a business I liked folds – why didn’t I go there more often? And then it happens again, and I haven’t changed anything.

kean van choc10:33 pm 29 Aug 08

I remember being very, very jealous at my (slightly) older sister being allowed to go the that Goanna NYE gig, Ant. Solid rock!

I do recall, though, catching the Uncanny X-men doing a free afternoon gig there once…

Canberry Fair was a lot of fun. I remember spending new year’s eve there, with a huge crowd of people, Goanna played the midnight spot. Later, I waitered there at Clancy’s, and learned some very useful recipes (lemon sorbet frozen into bowls, served, and then champagne poured over at the table for instance).

I was born that end of watson, we had the paddocks behind the houses, endless interesting expanses of grass and dirt and fences. I guess we can’t have stuff like that now, working families must have large houses and small yards, and their children must not enounter any risk or danger. Or fun.

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