Disabled parking review released into the wild

johnboy 21 June 2009 75

[First filed: June 19, 2009 @ 21:49]

TAMS has unveiled their review into disabled parking.

A quick reading of the executive summary suggests all is not not in compliance with standards in the ACT. (Would we really expect anything different?)

    Only a few disabled parking spaces comply with all of the criteria identified in the relevant standards. This study found that although many of the disabled parking spaces provided within the ACT town and group centres do not comply with the relevant standards for the physical design of the spaces most are suitable for unconstrained use by disabled persons.

Anyway the recommendations are interesting:

    A rate of 3% of spaces for disabled parking would better meet the demand for disabled parking and should be considered for implementation in public car parks. This parking would need to be located close to likely destinations. Where there is likely to be an overall shortage of standard parking, a much higher percentage of disabled parking should be provided. Centres such as Manuka provide far beyond the required levels of disabled parking, however all spaces were utilised throughout most of the survey period, there was a clear shortage of parking provided generally with the majority of standard parking also occupied most of the time.

    Additional disabled parking is recommended for Manuka.

    Disabled parking is recommended to be relocated at Jamison to better access the revised shopping centre arrangements.

    Additional disabled parking should be considered at centres where there is one or less available space at any of the survey times: Ainslie, Charnwood, Coolemon Court, Weston, Kippax and Southlands.

    There appears to be a case to review the basis upon which parking permits are issued in oreder [Sic] to better understand the dramatic increase in the number of permits issued and the corresponding increase in parking demand for disabled persons.

The lack of proofing in the report is somewhat alarming.


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Hells_Bells74 Hells_Bells74 11:03 am 22 Jun 09

Oh sorry I shouldn’t have said ‘sticker’ was more an in and out of glovebox when needed type thing.

Hells_Bells74 Hells_Bells74 10:55 am 22 Jun 09

I just wrote a painfully long piece with my annoying new keyboard only to accidently press something and have it deleted. Got the old keyboard out now and shall keep it sweet.

My friend who has since moved away from Canberra, had a sticker for her mum in Sydney, for the very rare times she had to drive her somewhere. Her and her hubby also felt justified in using it anytime they liked. My mum was given one for my nanna in Ballina when she made her last trip here in ’94 for my wedding and her odd trips at the time to Ballina because she has crippling arthritis and cannot walk more than 50 metres or so and that takes an effort, she never ever used it without nan in the car, but the temptation is there for people with no morals.

My friend’s very much older hubby should’ve learnt years before they had the sticker, he had his precious car coined outside Dickson shops when popping in one night using a disabled spot. Gotta love karma!

As for the parents-with-prams parks, after 4 kids I can see the sense in them, wouldn’t use them all the time and certainly don’t now but they were a bloody Godsend when I needed them. I’m still shocked as to why they need defending, perhaps the attacking people who find us parents lazy, want the same close spots free for themselves to be even lazier? Oh and I’m all for letting disabled drivers use the close parents parks if no others are available, although they are rarely big enough for that purpose.

peterh peterh 10:31 am 22 Jun 09

Joshua said :

If they want more disabled spaces they could start by making the shopping centres convert those stupid spots they try and set aside for parents with kiddies.

If you’re that concerned about your precious little kids, park away from the high traffic areas and walk. Judging by the state of a lot of kids I see they could use the exercise.

right. got kids, do you? how about you try to get 3 kids out of the car, 2 into a pram and prevent any one of them hitting another car with the door. I am all for a permit system for parents with prams parks, then maybe the people who park there for the convenience minus kids would be less inclined. In regards to the disabled parking system, fines will discourage non disabled parkers. problem is that I have seen people who are carers park in the spots, do their shopping and come back with no sign of the disabled person in their care, perhaps they are somewhere else. carers do a great job looking after their family and others in their care, but if there is no disabled person in the car, and it is not a case of a pickup, maybe they could park in another spot?

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 9:58 am 22 Jun 09

Perhaps we need a ‘pool’ of available disabled parking permits, which is allocated to the most needy, with the number of permits proportional to the number of available spots.

And big fines for non-disabled people who park in disabled spots.

Clown Killer Clown Killer 9:32 am 22 Jun 09

Well, the CT says permits have jumped from 2000 in 2000 to 15000 in 2007.

I get the impression that there are also a lot of short term permits issued by doctors – for people who have injuries, but that will recover. I tore a calf muscle a couple of years agoand my GP asked my if I wanted a parking permit for a month or so while I recovered. I was bemused but declined.

harley harley 9:18 am 22 Jun 09

SheepGroper said :

bigred said :

Bigred – And the legally blind shouldn’t be allowed to park their landcruisers in disabled spots – they shouldn’t be allowed to drive them either.

Sheepgroper – As if the blind drive – that’s what they have guide dogs for!

Shouldn’t they be parking in the blind spots anyway?

Pandy Pandy 8:30 am 22 Jun 09

+1. and should be reviewed once a year

Postalgeek Postalgeek 8:20 am 22 Jun 09

Well, the CT says permits have jumped from 2000 in 2000 to 15000 in 2007.

The suggestion has been made that there needs to be a review of criteria for a permit. Ya think?

deezagood deezagood 7:46 am 22 Jun 09

Granny said :

I think ‘pick up and set down only’ areas are a good idea. It wouldn’t generally help our family much because I couldn’t leave my daughter while I parked elsewhere, unless her dad was with us; but it would definitely be a great help to people in similar circumstances to threepaws.

We still need more disabled spaces, however, as there really aren’t enough to go around, and it is a safety issue to have to trust to other drivers not to hit people with a disability when carers are forced to use regular parking spaces. When someone can’t move themselves out of harm’s way that is really scary.

These don’t work either Granny; people see ‘pick up and set down’ areas as just another parking spot. The principle at our school puts notices in every newsletter begging carers/parents not to park in our set-down safety area during drop-off time each morning, but lazy, selfish people insist on parking there – causing chaos and endangering kids (who are then forced to be dropped off in other areas and cross the road) each morning.

Joshua Joshua 2:19 am 22 Jun 09

If they want more disabled spaces they could start by making the shopping centres convert those stupid spots they try and set aside for parents with kiddies.

If you’re that concerned about your precious little kids, park away from the high traffic areas and walk. Judging by the state of a lot of kids I see they could use the exercise.

bigred bigred 10:50 pm 21 Jun 09

its a true story, really.

SheepGroper SheepGroper 10:36 pm 21 Jun 09

bigred said :

And the legally blind shouldn’t be allowed to park their landcruisers in disabled spots – they shouldn’t be allowed to drive them either.

As if the blind drive – that’s what they have guide dogs for!

bigred bigred 9:58 pm 21 Jun 09

yeah fat chicks shouldn’t be allowed to park in disabled spots. Same for fat blokes. And the legally blind shouldn’t be allowed to park their landcruisers in disabled spots – they shouldn’t be allowed to drive them either.

dvaey dvaey 9:48 pm 21 Jun 09

One thought I have with regards to the parking at Centrelink in Woden, is even though the parking across the road is ‘pay parking’ there are 4 disabled spots on the corner near Centrelink, and even though its a pay-parking area, its free for under 2hrs. How many people spend 2hrs in Centrelink?

Pandy Pandy 7:02 pm 21 Jun 09

To whome do you complain about people who appear to be abusing the system?

I know of one disabled sticker person who whilst in pain, will go and dance 2 or 3 times a week.

nota nota 6:32 pm 21 Jun 09

I’m guessing these two posts below are addressed to my Centrelink-related post, which on my screen comes up as #40

Postalgeek said :

#39 sympathies for your passenger, but just to clarify, are you complaining because someone got to an unreserved car spot before you?

Thanks for your kind consideration.

No, I doubt the car space in question was reserved for use by the disabled. But nor in my view was this modest carpark provided for use by lazy inconsiderate casual shoppers etc, who have no purpose to be there, other than to occupy spaces intended for Centrelink clientele. An obvious percentage of whom are disabled, and some quite severely. There are also ‘single welfare parents’ with babies etc to consider, if consideration holds any place in the self-possessed lives of the NRMA driver of ‘SAFER 1’ and similar.

In general terms, why indeed would the well-off with no valid reason to park at Centrelink be there at all, except to in effect ‘snitch a freebie’ from those least able to afford, who are then obliged to pay-park?

Hey I know its only an insignificant quibble in the greater scheme of things; worse things happen at sea, as my old Dad would say. I guess its just a small reflection of today’s increasingly dog-eat-dog attitude. But these people’s inconsideration proved an unneccesary impost to my struggling friend, and it got under my skin, as there were plenty of vacant spaces in carparks only 50 metres away.

s-s-a said :


#39 you’ll find the diabled parking space at Woden Centrelink is nearly always taken, because most of the other disabled spaces in that corner of the universe are inside paid parking.

In other words, those truly disabled who have no business to conduct at Centrelink, would rather walk further to their alternative destination, just to save a few cents?

monomania monomania 2:34 pm 21 Jun 09

S4anta said :

I think if anyone couldn’t tell that Ians comment was a bit tongue in cheek probably needs a big glass of HTFU and needs to stop being such a flappy, neo con, conversative wowser for Pete’s sake.

Your comment of tongue in vitriol was much more obvious than that Ian’s comment was tongue in cheek.

S4anta S4anta 11:41 am 21 Jun 09

Ian said :

I often joke to my family that they should have parking spaces for really fat people in the farthest flung reaches of the carpark, to force them to walk further and get some exercise.

I think if anyone couldn’t tell that Ians comment was a bit tongue in cheek probably needs a big glass of HTFU and needs to stop being such a flappy, neo con, conversative wowser for Pete’s sake.

s-s-a s-s-a 10:30 am 21 Jun 09

Perhaps rather than more disabled spaces, there could be more ‘pick up and set down only’ areas

There used to be one of these at the Hoyts entrance at Woden. It almost always had someone parked in it. Same with the 5-min zone outside Babar cafe – full of long-stayers. Disabled permit spaces DO have a higher fine than most other parking infringements – last time I checked was several years ago and it was $185.

#39 you’ll find the diabled parking space at Woden Centrelink is nearly always taken, because most of the other disabled spaces in that corner of the universe are inside paid parking.

#23 the “minimum standard” argument will never wash because disabled access spaces are bigger and therefore more of them will reduce the overall number of spaces able to fit. Centre management like to be able to advertise the maximum number of spaces to potential tenants – most of whom won’t give a rats that 10% of available spaces are disabled parking.

The hospital situation is shocking – even with most of the ground floor of the multi-storey available for disabled parking it can STILL be difficult to get a spot.

Postalgeek Postalgeek 9:09 am 21 Jun 09

#39 sympathies for your passenger, but just to clarify, are you complaining because someone got to an unreserved car spot before you?

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