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Do we really want to know the grubby details of teen sex?

By johnboy - 16 June 2010 91

The Canberra Times has a highly descriptive story of a former Scout on trial for his alleged sexual engagements with 13-15 year old girls (also involved with scouting) when he was 17-18.

I’ll leave it to the judge to decide just how serious this is.

But as a reader is this the level of detail you want?

(And how do we stop this sort of thing without returning to the days of chaperones?)

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thelozenger 3:19 pm 28 Jun 10

Captain RAAF said :

Umm…looks to me like daddy’s little girl (who just happens to have a liking for c#*%) got busted and now in order to salvage some semblance of dignity the family are crying ‘abuse’.

Not all 13 year old girls are sweet and innocent, in fact from what my 12 year old daughter tells me a lot of them are dirty whores who like nothing more than to conduct the very same activities outlined in that article.

I 100% agree. There needs to be protection for guys who are accused when girls cry rape after just regretting something or getting caught by their parents.

I’ve heard many stories where a girl goes around telling everyone a guy ‘raped’ her after she consented and then was embarrassed by sleeping with said guy. (The girl later admitting she consented).

The said thing is, these guys that it happens to have no protection. A girl can easily cry rape and then the guy can do nothing about it.

13 year old girls are far from innocent these days. I went to an all girls school in Canberra, and by the time I was 15 I was considered ‘frigid’ because I hadn’t slept with a guy.

I’m not saying that they are making it up, just that there needs to be more protection because they could be easily making it up.

mutley 10:25 am 24 Jun 10

Deadmandrinking said :

VG, I would refer you to a story about a WA kid who was just recently cleared of rape, after a year in prison. Our legal system is not perfect. Innocent people do sometimes go to jail. I’m not going to comment on a case that involved a completely different legal system to ours, or one that involve trial by an illegal process, but I can pretty much safely say that there are people in jail all around the world who are innocent.

DMD – That case actually backs up VG’s point. The kids did not plea bargain but maintained his innocence and fought it tooth and nail. The issue with that was that he was banged up in remand for so long as a juvenile while awaiting trial. I seem to recall, and am open to be corrected, that the DPP actually ended up giving the option of dropping the charges but the family wanted an acquittal so pursued the trial to the end.

fgzk 8:46 am 24 Jun 10

Getalife sounds a lot American. Different country, different legal system. I get that some of you are concerned about people being falsely accused and having their life wrecked. This will happen. What I don’t get is raising this issue in a way that makes it seem like it happens all the time. For me Bimbogeek summed up the legitimate doubt.

Maybe someone should drag out the real stats for how many cases are reported and never make it to court, or make it to court and never go beyond a committal. How many people who have been raped and felt the legal system has failed to get justice. I think you may be horrified. Its not the alleged perpetrators that are being let down by the legal system.

vg 10:30 pm 23 Jun 10

getalife123457 said :

“That is absolute bollocks, and your friend can’t be too ‘learned’”

I do work in the legal profession and the 30% statistic is absolutely correct – everything is a plea bargain these days: if you (just per say) were up on countless charges regardless of your guilt, but lets just say you were not guilty, and there was the very large risk of jail time if you proceeded with a not guilty plea, however if you chose to plea guilty there would be no risk of jail time and some of your charges were dropped, what would you honestly opt for…seriously?…however thankyou for your ever so insightful and well informed comments vg.

To quote the crucible (salem witch-hunts):

“If she is innocent! Why do you never wonder if Parris be innocent, or Abigail? Is the accuser always holy now? Were they born this morning as clean as God’s fingers? I’ll tell you what’s walking Salem—-vengeance is walking Salem. We are what we always were in Salem, but now the little crazy children are jangling the keys of the kingdom, and common vengeance writes the law! This warrant’s vengeance!”

It’s sad from reading this thread that it would completely blow so many peoples minds to even FATHOM that there’s another side to the story, or to even FATHOM that not everything you read about or hear is true, or to even really fathom that teenage girls can be vengeful, manipulative and spiteful.

There was a case a few years back in the US where a math teacher failed half of his year 12 class. 7 of the failed students launched sexual assault cases in a vengence attempt against said teacher…it happens.

I will again say bollocks, having spent the last 20 years, not 20 minutes, right amongst it in the ACT judicial system. The fact that you refer to ‘jail time’ in the ACT only shows how little you know. Plea bargaining is also an American phrase

“but I can pretty much safely say that there are people in jail all around the world who are innocent.”

You’d have to be an idiot not to agree, but I can pretty much safely say there’s 1000 times more guilty people in prison

getalife123457 8:15 pm 23 Jun 10

“That is absolute bollocks, and your friend can’t be too ‘learned’”

I do work in the legal profession and the 30% statistic is absolutely correct – everything is a plea bargain these days: if you (just per say) were up on countless charges regardless of your guilt, but lets just say you were not guilty, and there was the very large risk of jail time if you proceeded with a not guilty plea, however if you chose to plea guilty there would be no risk of jail time and some of your charges were dropped, what would you honestly opt for…seriously?…however thankyou for your ever so insightful and well informed comments vg.

To quote the crucible (salem witch-hunts):

“If she is innocent! Why do you never wonder if Parris be innocent, or Abigail? Is the accuser always holy now? Were they born this morning as clean as God’s fingers? I’ll tell you what’s walking Salem—-vengeance is walking Salem. We are what we always were in Salem, but now the little crazy children are jangling the keys of the kingdom, and common vengeance writes the law! This warrant’s vengeance!”

It’s sad from reading this thread that it would completely blow so many peoples minds to even FATHOM that there’s another side to the story, or to even FATHOM that not everything you read about or hear is true, or to even really fathom that teenage girls can be vengeful, manipulative and spiteful.

There was a case a few years back in the US where a math teacher failed half of his year 12 class. 7 of the failed students launched sexual assault cases in a vengence attempt against said teacher…it happens.

bromford 12:46 pm 23 Jun 10

I wonder how many people saw “Do we really want to know the grubby details of teen sex?” and clicked the link in order to find out just how grubby those details were.

And that’s the same reason the Canberra Times wrote what they did.

sepi 1:43 pm 21 Jun 10

Peter Hollingsworth had to resign as GG for suggesting that a 13 yr old threw herself at a molesting priest.

And yet still people believe this type of rubbish.

Deadmandrinking 10:48 am 21 Jun 10

On RAAF’s argument (which makes me really, really angry, sorry) – he’s forgotten the massive friggin elephant in the room: The girl was 13! She probably looked 13, sounded 13 and thought 13. If that girl ‘threw herself at you’ at age 13 and you went for it, you are most likely a pedophile.

How not to be a pedophile? Don’t sleep with kids. Pretty god-damn basic.

VG, I would refer you to a story about a WA kid who was just recently cleared of rape, after a year in prison. Our legal system is not perfect. Innocent people do sometimes go to jail. I’m not going to comment on a case that involved a completely different legal system to ours, or one that involve trial by an illegal process, but I can pretty much safely say that there are people in jail all around the world who are innocent.

georgesgenitals 9:41 am 21 Jun 10

LurkerGal said :

I love you VG

Me too. And don’t worry, I’m older than 13.

LurkerGal 10:59 pm 20 Jun 10

I love you VG

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