29 February 2012

Do you remember this panel van from 25 years ago?

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Police and family are renewing their appeal to the public on the 25th anniversary of one of Canberra’s longest unsolved hit and run cases which resulted in the death of a 17-year-old boy.

About 1 am on Sunday March 1, 1987, Troy Forsyth was walking with three friends on Kent Street in Deakin after attending a birthday party at the Deakin Soccer Club. He was struck by a car and died at the scene.

Troy crossed the southbound lane, onto the median strip, and then was struck by a car as he stepped onto the northbound lane. The driver did not stop, and the car and driver have never been identified.

Sergeant Jason Kennedy from ACT Policing’s Collision Investigation and Reconstruction Team (CIRT) said he is hoping that someone out there who knows something will now come forward and give the family some closure.

“It has been 25 years since Troy was tragically killed. Anyone who may know something, no matter how small they think it is, could hold the key to solving this case and I would urge them to contact Crime Stoppers with the information,” said Sergeant Kennedy.

“We believe the car could be a 1977 – 1978 Holden HZ panel van, Caribbean Turquoise in colour based on paint chips left at the scene,” Sergeant Kennedy said.

At the inquest into Troy’s death in 1988, scientific test results confirmed the paint colour of the van involved was Caribbean Turquoise, however the undercoat was not the type used by Holden.

Police suspect the panel van involved was either of a different colour originally and re-sprayed Caribbean Turquoise post-factory, or was originally Caribbean Turquoise but had undergone a re-spray post-factory using a non-Holden undercoat.

ACT Policing is urging anyone who may have information about the hit and run or can identify the driver and car involved, to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000, or via www.act.crimestoppers.com.au. Information can be provided anonymously.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]

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TheDancingDjinn said :

aceofspades said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

aceofspades said :

Fleeing the seen is probably cowardly but I don’t think anyone knows how well they would handle the same circumstances until it happens to them.

Agreed, but, this person has had 25 years to make amends.

Yes and face most likely a hefty jail term with people that do deserve to be there for an accident. What would you do?

Personally i would have stopped my car to begin with and got him to medical attention – but thats just me. Second, if it was an accident then i would make my statement to the police, and i would have made my case in court if it had come to that – but if it was an accident, the person wouldn’t have been jailed. Unless of course, they A) didn’t have a licence to drive B) were drunk ( if this were the case, then yes i want them of the street – if getting drunk and driving a V8 is someones idea of a good thing to do then yes i want them jailed – thats not an accident) C) scared shittless, which i understand – but after 25 years they should have come forward if it was an accident they felt terrible for.

Thanx 😉

TheDancingDjinn5:19 pm 09 Mar 12

aceofspades said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

aceofspades said :

TheDancingDjinn said :

aceofspades said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

aceofspades said :

Fleeing the seen is probably cowardly but I don’t think anyone knows how well they would handle the same circumstances until it happens to them.

Agreed, but, this person has had 25 years to make amends.

Yes and face most likely a hefty jail term with people that do deserve to be there for an accident. What would you do?

Personally i would have stopped my car to begin with and got him to medical attention – but thats just me. Second, if it was an accident then i would make my statement to the police, and i would have made my case in court if it had come to that – but if it was an accident, the person wouldn’t have been jailed. Unless of course, they A) didn’t have a licence to drive B) were drunk ( if this were the case, then yes i want them of the street – if getting drunk and driving a V8 is someones idea of a good thing to do then yes i want them jailed – thats not an accident) C) scared shittless, which i understand – but after 25 years they should have come forward if it was an accident they felt terrible for.

Jail term would probably still apply even if an accident, the charge is manslaughter.

Bulls***. If it was a genuine accident, with the dreiver being sober, he would get off.

Yes I would have stopped also but I can understand that even if the risk existed of going to jail for an accident it is enough of a reason not to come forward. I have seen somebody go to jail for two years for this exact accidental situation before, he was an incredibly nice bloke who helped me when I was down and would never hurt a fly. Admittedly it was North Queensland and not here but I would still be very scared.

My uncle fell asleep at the wheel while driving from Sydney to Cooma in 1974, he drifted across the lanes and hit the passenger side of his vehicle into an oncomming truck – his brother my other uncle was in that seat and was killed in the crash. My surviving uncle was charged with manslaughter, he was not jailed becasue it was a genuine accident. He didn’t mean to kill his brother, he fell asleep on a long drive – no alcohol, no drugs, just tired. I believe if this offender had not been drinking or taking drugs or doing anything else illegal or dangerous and it was a genuine accident, then he or she would not have been jailed either. I would have had a great deal sympathy for the driver, if they had stopped and tried to help, but the image of dying somewhere on a Deakin street in the dark is just horrorfying to imagine for a fully grown adult – but a young kid – that’s just heartbreaking.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

aceofspades said :

TheDancingDjinn said :

aceofspades said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

aceofspades said :

Fleeing the seen is probably cowardly but I don’t think anyone knows how well they would handle the same circumstances until it happens to them.

Agreed, but, this person has had 25 years to make amends.

Yes and face most likely a hefty jail term with people that do deserve to be there for an accident. What would you do?

Personally i would have stopped my car to begin with and got him to medical attention – but thats just me. Second, if it was an accident then i would make my statement to the police, and i would have made my case in court if it had come to that – but if it was an accident, the person wouldn’t have been jailed. Unless of course, they A) didn’t have a licence to drive B) were drunk ( if this were the case, then yes i want them of the street – if getting drunk and driving a V8 is someones idea of a good thing to do then yes i want them jailed – thats not an accident) C) scared shittless, which i understand – but after 25 years they should have come forward if it was an accident they felt terrible for.

Jail term would probably still apply even if an accident, the charge is manslaughter.

Bulls***. If it was a genuine accident, with the dreiver being sober, he would get off.

Yes I would have stopped also but I can understand that even if the risk existed of going to jail for an accident it is enough of a reason not to come forward. I have seen somebody go to jail for two years for this exact accidental situation before, he was an incredibly nice bloke who helped me when I was down and would never hurt a fly. Admittedly it was North Queensland and not here but I would still be very scared.

colourful sydney racing identity4:20 pm 09 Mar 12

aceofspades said :

TheDancingDjinn said :

aceofspades said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

aceofspades said :

Fleeing the seen is probably cowardly but I don’t think anyone knows how well they would handle the same circumstances until it happens to them.

Agreed, but, this person has had 25 years to make amends.

Yes and face most likely a hefty jail term with people that do deserve to be there for an accident. What would you do?

Personally i would have stopped my car to begin with and got him to medical attention – but thats just me. Second, if it was an accident then i would make my statement to the police, and i would have made my case in court if it had come to that – but if it was an accident, the person wouldn’t have been jailed. Unless of course, they A) didn’t have a licence to drive B) were drunk ( if this were the case, then yes i want them of the street – if getting drunk and driving a V8 is someones idea of a good thing to do then yes i want them jailed – thats not an accident) C) scared shittless, which i understand – but after 25 years they should have come forward if it was an accident they felt terrible for.

Jail term would probably still apply even if an accident, the charge is manslaughter.

Bulls***. If it was a genuine accident, with the dreiver being sober, he would get off.

colourful sydney racing identity4:19 pm 09 Mar 12

TheDancingDjinn said :

aceofspades said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

aceofspades said :

Fleeing the seen is probably cowardly but I don’t think anyone knows how well they would handle the same circumstances until it happens to them.

Agreed, but, this person has had 25 years to make amends.

Yes and face most likely a hefty jail term with people that do deserve to be there for an accident. What would you do?

Personally i would have stopped my car to begin with and got him to medical attention – but thats just me. Second, if it was an accident then i would make my statement to the police, and i would have made my case in court if it had come to that – but if it was an accident, the person wouldn’t have been jailed. Unless of course, they A) didn’t have a licence to drive B) were drunk ( if this were the case, then yes i want them of the street – if getting drunk and driving a V8 is someones idea of a good thing to do then yes i want them jailed – thats not an accident) C) scared shittless, which i understand – but after 25 years they should have come forward if it was an accident they felt terrible for.

+1

TheDancingDjinn said :

aceofspades said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

aceofspades said :

Fleeing the seen is probably cowardly but I don’t think anyone knows how well they would handle the same circumstances until it happens to them.

Agreed, but, this person has had 25 years to make amends.

Yes and face most likely a hefty jail term with people that do deserve to be there for an accident. What would you do?

Personally i would have stopped my car to begin with and got him to medical attention – but thats just me. Second, if it was an accident then i would make my statement to the police, and i would have made my case in court if it had come to that – but if it was an accident, the person wouldn’t have been jailed. Unless of course, they A) didn’t have a licence to drive B) were drunk ( if this were the case, then yes i want them of the street – if getting drunk and driving a V8 is someones idea of a good thing to do then yes i want them jailed – thats not an accident) C) scared shittless, which i understand – but after 25 years they should have come forward if it was an accident they felt terrible for.

Jail term would probably still apply even if an accident, the charge is manslaughter.

TheDancingDjinn3:56 pm 09 Mar 12

aceofspades said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

aceofspades said :

Fleeing the seen is probably cowardly but I don’t think anyone knows how well they would handle the same circumstances until it happens to them.

Agreed, but, this person has had 25 years to make amends.

Yes and face most likely a hefty jail term with people that do deserve to be there for an accident. What would you do?

Personally i would have stopped my car to begin with and got him to medical attention – but thats just me. Second, if it was an accident then i would make my statement to the police, and i would have made my case in court if it had come to that – but if it was an accident, the person wouldn’t have been jailed. Unless of course, they A) didn’t have a licence to drive B) were drunk ( if this were the case, then yes i want them of the street – if getting drunk and driving a V8 is someones idea of a good thing to do then yes i want them jailed – thats not an accident) C) scared shittless, which i understand – but after 25 years they should have come forward if it was an accident they felt terrible for.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

aceofspades said :

Fleeing the seen is probably cowardly but I don’t think anyone knows how well they would handle the same circumstances until it happens to them.

Agreed, but, this person has had 25 years to make amends.

Yes and face most likely a hefty jail term with people that do deserve to be there for an accident. What would you do?

colourful sydney racing identity3:37 pm 09 Mar 12

aceofspades said :

Fleeing the seen is probably cowardly but I don’t think anyone knows how well they would handle the same circumstances until it happens to them.

Agreed, but, this person has had 25 years to make amends.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

aceofspades said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

aceofspades said :

In this case there will be no conviction and no justice, or have you not read the thread. There is not even a mystery like a missing person case, what happened is well known, we just don’t know who. Even if it is discovered who it was, what then?

If your child was killed by someone who then fled the scene, would you want the police to find them or not? It is really that simple.

I doubt this was a murder, it was more likely an accident. Yes they should have stopped and done whatever they could, but I am not a believer in sending people to jail for an accident even if you do catch them at the time. Accidents happen and that is a fact of life, the consequences are irrelevant.

Where did I sugggest it was murder? It may well have been an accident, but the fact is that this person killed someone and fled the scene, which is a despicable act, compunded by the fact that have still not come forward some 25 years later. I pose the same question to you: if your child was killed by someone, either deliberately or accidently, who then fled the scene, would you object to the police trying to find that person?

I don’t think I can answer that as I have never lost a child. The closest I have is losing a brother in an aircraft accident while he was a student pilot and the cause was unknown. Suspicions of course lay on the instructor who was a highly decorated ex air force pilot with huge amounts of respect from all who served with him. In the end I realised that it didn’t really matter what the cause was, knowing was not going to bring him back and was only going to bring disgrace to the instructor and his family. So I allowed the lawyers at the inquiry to come to the highly unlikely conclusion that my brother had a heart attack which caused the accident.

I guess if it was deliberate then by all means as that would be murder and murderers deserve to go to jail. If it was an accident then through my grief I would probably also feel for them having to live with that on their conscience. Fleeing the seen is probably cowardly but I don’t think anyone knows how well they would handle the same circumstances until it happens to them.

colourful sydney racing identity2:53 pm 09 Mar 12

aceofspades said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

aceofspades said :

In this case there will be no conviction and no justice, or have you not read the thread. There is not even a mystery like a missing person case, what happened is well known, we just don’t know who. Even if it is discovered who it was, what then?

If your child was killed by someone who then fled the scene, would you want the police to find them or not? It is really that simple.

I doubt this was a murder, it was more likely an accident. Yes they should have stopped and done whatever they could, but I am not a believer in sending people to jail for an accident even if you do catch them at the time. Accidents happen and that is a fact of life, the consequences are irrelevant.

Where did I sugggest it was murder? It may well have been an accident, but the fact is that this person killed someone and fled the scene, which is a despicable act, compunded by the fact that have still not come forward some 25 years later. I pose the same question to you: if your child was killed by someone, either deliberately or accidently, who then fled the scene, would you object to the police trying to find that person?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

aceofspades said :

In this case there will be no conviction and no justice, or have you not read the thread. There is not even a mystery like a missing person case, what happened is well known, we just don’t know who. Even if it is discovered who it was, what then?

If your child was killed by someone who then fled the scene, would you want the police to find them or not? It is really that simple.

I doubt this was a murder, it was more likely an accident. Yes they should have stopped and done whatever they could, but I am not a believer in sending people to jail for an accident even if you do catch them at the time. Accidents happen and that is a fact of life, the consequences are irrelevant.

Felix the Cat2:28 pm 09 Mar 12

Even if no conviction was bought against the offender it can still bring closure to the family.

colourful sydney racing identity1:51 pm 09 Mar 12

aceofspades said :

In this case there will be no conviction and no justice, or have you not read the thread. There is not even a mystery like a missing person case, what happened is well known, we just don’t know who. Even if it is discovered who it was, what then?

If your child was killed by someone who then fled the scene, would you want the police to find them or not? It is really that simple.

TheDancingDjinn1:40 pm 09 Mar 12

aceofspades said :

TheDancingDjinn said :

aceofspades said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

aceofspades said :

For what it is worth I agree with you Dark. I struggle to see the point of finding this person.

Sure, let’s not bother finding someone who is responsible for the death of another and has then attempted to conceal their involvement.

From what I understand there will be no conviction or justice, it will not bring Troy back, so what good will it do finding them?

Why convict child rapists?, the sexual abuse is over, and the kids are alive so they can just get over it. Why arrest those 2 guys who hacked that poor asian guy to death on Northbourne, i mean his family probably don’t speak english and wont understand the process, plus it wont bring him back from the dead now will it? The fact that you and your emo allie can’t for a moment imagine the pain of not knowing who killed your child, and understanding why they want the person found speaks volumes.
It still shocks me that the dark refered to the victims family as “selfish” for wanting justice – SELFISH? no selfish is killing a child on a dark road, leaving him to die alone and in pain – and then going on with your life as if nothing you did hurt anyone. You and the Dark make my stomach turn, i am sickened by the fact that you live in this city, or even this country with your putrid words to a victim of a crime. I serioulsy hope no one ever hurts your kids, and then looks at you and tells you your selfish for wanting to ruin their lives for a simple death of a child.

Oh how dramatic! I didn’t realise we were writing a soap opera.

I didn’t at any stage say it was not a despicable thing to do. I simply said I don’t see what it will achieve by finding this person. The reason we convict a child rapist is exactly that, he will be convicted and justice will be served. In this case there will be no conviction and no justice, or have you not read the thread. There is not even a mystery like a missing person case, what happened is well known, we just don’t know who. Even if it is discovered who it was, what then?

Who knows if there will or wont be a conviction? someone said the police may have mentioned it, but police aren’t the DP. who knows what would be the outcome if the person responsible was found. And if he or she is found then the family get some sort of closure, why is helping a family who hurt such a problem?, does the outcome have to effect all of us for it to matter? or can’t we just try to help them just because it’s been a long time, and they have waited long enough? Im a mother, and yes i think of myself in his mothers position – someone killed her baby, no matter his age, he was her baby – and as a mother myself i feel for that, i can’t help that it’s a human reaction. I’d want to know who it was, i would want to know his or her face, if i got no conviction then thats what it is – but i would know who did it, and i could have peace knowing i did what i needed to to find out who took my kids life – this is just an open wound for this family, a never ending bad dream , why not help them if someone out there can?

TheDancingDjinn said :

aceofspades said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

aceofspades said :

For what it is worth I agree with you Dark. I struggle to see the point of finding this person.

Sure, let’s not bother finding someone who is responsible for the death of another and has then attempted to conceal their involvement.

From what I understand there will be no conviction or justice, it will not bring Troy back, so what good will it do finding them?

Why convict child rapists?, the sexual abuse is over, and the kids are alive so they can just get over it. Why arrest those 2 guys who hacked that poor asian guy to death on Northbourne, i mean his family probably don’t speak english and wont understand the process, plus it wont bring him back from the dead now will it? The fact that you and your emo allie can’t for a moment imagine the pain of not knowing who killed your child, and understanding why they want the person found speaks volumes.
It still shocks me that the dark refered to the victims family as “selfish” for wanting justice – SELFISH? no selfish is killing a child on a dark road, leaving him to die alone and in pain – and then going on with your life as if nothing you did hurt anyone. You and the Dark make my stomach turn, i am sickened by the fact that you live in this city, or even this country with your putrid words to a victim of a crime. I serioulsy hope no one ever hurts your kids, and then looks at you and tells you your selfish for wanting to ruin their lives for a simple death of a child.

Oh how dramatic! I didn’t realise we were writing a soap opera.

I didn’t at any stage say it was not a despicable thing to do. I simply said I don’t see what it will achieve by finding this person. The reason we convict a child rapist is exactly that, he will be convicted and justice will be served. In this case there will be no conviction and no justice, or have you not read the thread. There is not even a mystery like a missing person case, what happened is well known, we just don’t know who. Even if it is discovered who it was, what then?

TheDancingDjinn12:12 pm 09 Mar 12

aceofspades said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

aceofspades said :

For what it is worth I agree with you Dark. I struggle to see the point of finding this person.

Sure, let’s not bother finding someone who is responsible for the death of another and has then attempted to conceal their involvement.

From what I understand there will be no conviction or justice, it will not bring Troy back, so what good will it do finding them?

Why convict child rapists?, the sexual abuse is over, and the kids are alive so they can just get over it. Why arrest those 2 guys who hacked that poor asian guy to death on Northbourne, i mean his family probably don’t speak english and wont understand the process, plus it wont bring him back from the dead now will it? The fact that you and your emo allie can’t for a moment imagine the pain of not knowing who killed your child, and understanding why they want the person found speaks volumes.
It still shocks me that the dark refered to the victims family as “selfish” for wanting justice – SELFISH? no selfish is killing a child on a dark road, leaving him to die alone and in pain – and then going on with your life as if nothing you did hurt anyone. You and the Dark make my stomach turn, i am sickened by the fact that you live in this city, or even this country with your putrid words to a victim of a crime. I serioulsy hope no one ever hurts your kids, and then looks at you and tells you your selfish for wanting to ruin their lives for a simple death of a child.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

aceofspades said :

For what it is worth I agree with you Dark. I struggle to see the point of finding this person.

Sure, let’s not bother finding someone who is responsible for the death of another and has then attempted to conceal their involvement.

From what I understand there will be no conviction or justice, it will not bring Troy back, so what good will it do finding them?

colourful sydney racing identity10:46 am 09 Mar 12

aceofspades said :

For what it is worth I agree with you Dark. I struggle to see the point of finding this person.

Sure, let’s not bother finding someone who is responsible for the death of another and has then attempted to conceal their involvement.

Well I am glad that that the anniversary is stimulating discussion and awareness. Like the family and the police have been saying – someone out there knows about this incident and they need to come forward and tell the police, or someone else, what they know.

For what it is worth I agree with you Dark. I struggle to see the point of finding this person.

: popcorn :

The Dark said :

Also, F*** you Vet111, you know nothing of my life, regardless of my age, maybe you should look past that before misinterpreting what i’ve said.

Wow, so much angst! Smells like teen spirit! Hahahaha! 🙂
Try to relax, enjoy life, and not get too worked up about people on RA…..
Have a good weekend!

The Dark said :

Also, F*** you Vet111, you know nothing of my life, regardless of my age, maybe you should look past that before misinterpreting what i’ve said.

So you can’t respond to the questions I asked in my post then? Right, just as I thought – a child who can’t engage in a reasoned, well thought out debate. If you disagree with my assertions, please tell me exactly what you’re trying to say.

Nes – all the best to you and your family, I hope you get the answers you’re looking for. You’re not being selfish at all – I know if I was in your shoes, I’d be looking for the same thing.

colourful sydney racing identity7:45 am 09 Mar 12

nes19 said :

Jivrashia said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Oh, yes, let’s feel sorry for the poor person that killed a 17 year old and fled the scene. My heart is pissing itself with blood for them.

Isn’t it the same mercy you showed a guy who king hit an Irish tourist in Civic?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

To all those calling for this guy to be beaten, put to death, etc, have any of you given any thought to the fact that maybe, just maybe he is innocent?

Tell me how a someone hits someone in a car and flees the scene is INNOCENT????? Innocent would have stayed and disclosed the circumstances, not take off like a scared fox

I do not believe that anyone fleeing the scene of a hit and run is innocent, a resident RiotAct troll has used completely unrelated text from an old post to try and argue that I am in someway inconsistent.

For the record, I hope that the person who was driving the car that hit and killed your brother is caught and faces the appropriate charges.

colourful sydney racing identity7:40 am 09 Mar 12

Jivrashia said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Oh, yes, let’s feel sorry for the poor person that killed a 17 year old and fled the scene. My heart is pissing itself with blood for them.

Isn’t it the same mercy you showed a guy who king hit an Irish tourist in Civic?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

To all those calling for this guy to be beaten, put to death, etc, have any of you given any thought to the fact that maybe, just maybe he is innocent?

FFS, the two quotes are completely unrelated. If the guy charged with bashing the Irish tourist was guilty then I hope he feels the full weight of the law, just as if the guy/girl who hit the kid is caught I hope they face the consequences of their actions.

Care to explain how my two positions are at all contradictory?

Nes, if theres no punishment, then its not accountability, on that premise, anyone could say they did it, not receive a punishment, but they would have been held accountable, is that what you want?

Also, how do you know i havn’t been through anything like this, if you’d read my posts i explained i’ve know 6 people that have died in the past 3 years, how do you know i havn’t experienced what you have and regardless, it doesn’t matter, coz now your just being spiteful, which as i explained is not helping you at all. Learn to accept that you are not the only person in the world that has ever experienced a tragic event.

steveu said :

I apologise Nes, I did not realise Troy had a sister – I just recall your mum at press conferences etc. all those years ago. My sincere condolences. Phil the Painter summed things up in comment #2. I went to school with Troy for many years and he sure was a character, larger than life was an apt description. RIP.

Thanks so much 😉 we just hope some good comes out if this as every life every person deserves better treatment than what my brother got. Thanks everyone for your support and kind words xx nes troys sister

I apologise Nes, I did not realise Troy had a sister – I just recall your mum at press conferences etc. all those years ago. My sincere condolences. Phil the Painter summed things up in comment #2. I went to school with Troy for many years and he sure was a character, larger than life was an apt description. RIP.

Jivrashia said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Oh, yes, let’s feel sorry for the poor person that killed a 17 year old and fled the scene. My heart is pissing itself with blood for them.

Isn’t it the same mercy you showed a guy who king hit an Irish tourist in Civic?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

To all those calling for this guy to be beaten, put to death, etc, have any of you given any thought to the fact that maybe, just maybe he is innocent?

Tell me how a someone hits someone in a car and flees the scene is INNOCENT????? Innocent would have stayed and disclosed the circumstances, not take off like a scared fox

The Dark said :

Look, y’know what, im not gonna keep arguing with you people who ofcourse all know better than me. I was just providing an alternative side to this, so maybe we could have a thread that wasn’t all just a bunch of people banging on about how this person is such scum and and a dog and deserves to get shot and all that without giving enough of a f*ck to think about the implications for all involved.

And lastly comment 36 Nes. That is EXACTLY what i have been saying, the only thing it would accomplish is to provide you with a face to hate, without a conviction, without getting your brother back, what answers do you need? you know what the witnesses said, you know what the police said, what difference does it make if the driver confirms it, you would just be fulfilling some selfish need to see the persons face, to have an image to direct your anger, solves nothing.

Oh that’s where your wrong buddy! It means that someone is made accountable for a crime!!!! If everyone went through life not being made accountable we would be living in modern warfare! Its not about putting a face to a crime, it’s about putting a justice to a crime that has remained unsolved!!!! I hope you never have to feel this pain, or endure comments from peeps who have no experience in this, I really do. Nes Troy’s little sister

Jivrashia said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Oh, yes, let’s feel sorry for the poor person that killed a 17 year old and fled the scene. My heart is pissing itself with blood for them.

Isn’t it the same mercy you showed a guy who king hit an Irish tourist in Civic?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

To all those calling for this guy to be beaten, put to death, etc, have any of you given any thought to the fact that maybe, just maybe he is innocent?

Yep, it’s the same person. If you’ve spent any time on RA you’d expect this sort of stuff from CSRI.

Also, F*** you Vet111, you know nothing of my life, regardless of my age, maybe you should look past that before misinterpreting what i’ve said.

Look, y’know what, im not gonna keep arguing with you people who ofcourse all know better than me. I was just providing an alternative side to this, so maybe we could have a thread that wasn’t all just a bunch of people banging on about how this person is such scum and and a dog and deserves to get shot and all that without giving enough of a f*ck to think about the implications for all involved.

And lastly comment 36 Nes. That is EXACTLY what i have been saying, the only thing it would accomplish is to provide you with a face to hate, without a conviction, without getting your brother back, what answers do you need? you know what the witnesses said, you know what the police said, what difference does it make if the driver confirms it, you would just be fulfilling some selfish need to see the persons face, to have an image to direct your anger, solves nothing.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

The Dark said :

Put yourself in the shoes of that person, you may have just killed someone in a split second before even having the time to process that thought, the next thing you think of is everything you have ever heard/read about this type of thing… so you realise there is no positive outcome to come of this regardless of what you do, so you run away… then you have to spend the rest of your life knowing what you did… think about that side of things, would you turn yourself in to potentially face prison and all the life destroying consequences that comes with that? Just so the person that caused this situations family would have a face to be angry at?

Oh, yes, let’s feel sorry for the poor person that killed a 17 year old and fled the scene. My heart is pissing itself with blood for them.

So I’m not sure if you have seen my media releases where I say that I hope the person who did this has nightmares every night, and that Troy haunts him too? 25 years is a long time, but 25 years is the time my brother hasn’t had the opportunity to live. I never got to meet his wife, kids, have families bbq’s etc, so I don’t feel for the offender. The cops have said as it has been so long that we wouldn’t get a conviction anyways?? Ít’s more about everyone getting answers, oh, and the perp may need this process too? Who know’s from Nes Troys little sister

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Oh, yes, let’s feel sorry for the poor person that killed a 17 year old and fled the scene. My heart is pissing itself with blood for them.

Isn’t it the same mercy you showed a guy who king hit an Irish tourist in Civic?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

To all those calling for this guy to be beaten, put to death, etc, have any of you given any thought to the fact that maybe, just maybe he is innocent?

The Dark said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

The Dark said :

Colourful Sydney Racing Identity – Did you even read my post as to WHY you should think about the other side of things? .

Yes I did, hence my post.

So regardless of whether it wasn’t your fault, yet would ruin your life and your family’s life, you would turn yourself in, just so that the family of the kid knows who to blame? That’s all they get from it, just a face to direct the hate, won’t bring the kid back, will just f*ck your life.

Wow, just….. wow. I can’t believe you actually think it’s acceptable to post this.

Here’s a tip love – with your vast range of world experience at the ripe old age of 20, do you honestly think that:
a) it’s Sarnia’s fault that she’s still grieving the fact that her brother was killed? Is there some sort of specified time limit for grief i.e. mother 10 years, sibling 5 years, friend 2 years etc.
b) there’s nothing the driver could have done besides ruin his own life (hint – maybe if the poor kid hadn’t been left on the side of the road to die and been taken to hospital, the outcome may have been different)
c) it’s perfectly ok for Sarnia and her family not to know the full story of what happened?
d) it’s ok for someone not to come forward in this sort of situation, regardless of whose fault it is?

If you answered no to any of these, I suggest you go back and read your posts – this is what you’re saying. Please correct me if I’m wrong….

The Dark said :

Yes, the police don’t speculate in situations like this, hence, I took what they said in the press release to be the facts that they believe to be true. But it seems the speculation on this topic is coming from the opposing side in this thread, the ones saying the driver specifically ran him down, under these circumstances, i would say that that is speculation, thus, prejudice to the case.

Is it really so hard to understand that the minimal set of facts can often be far less than the totality of what is known or suspected? Is it impossible to imagine that, perhaps, if they’re trying to chase him down 25 years later then there might be some outstanding questions that they’d like to put to him? Is it likely that the probable line of questioning would be distributed in a press release?

Think, McFly, think.

TheDancingDjinn10:52 am 07 Mar 12

The Dark said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

The Dark said :

Colourful Sydney Racing Identity – Did you even read my post as to WHY you should think about the other side of things? .

Yes I did, hence my post.

So regardless of whether it wasn’t your fault, yet would ruin your life and your family’s life, you would turn yourself in, just so that the family of the kid knows who to blame? That’s all they get from it, just a face to direct the hate, won’t bring the kid back, will just f*ck your life.

It’s called taking responsibility for your actions, as humans with cognative thought we do this – you talk about “this would fuck your life up, so why would you dob yourself in” if you just ran over someone and they died, don’t you think your actions have ruined lives? not only the child who died, but the family and friends? – what about the poor kids who watched him die? do their lives mean nothing? only the poor person who ran over the kid, only their lives matter in this?
And for your initial comment ” its been over 20 years, you should get over it by now” in your first post. Shows how our youth of today have turned into a disgusting bunch of apathetic creatures – you don’t ever tell someone when it’s time for them to stop grieving, how insensitive. I don’t give 2 shits how long it’s been, you have no place as a punk kid to put your bullshit beliefs about the timeframes of grief on anyone.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

The Dark said :

Colourful Sydney Racing Identity – Did you even read my post as to WHY you should think about the other side of things? .

Yes I did, hence my post.

So regardless of whether it wasn’t your fault, yet would ruin your life and your family’s life, you would turn yourself in, just so that the family of the kid knows who to blame? That’s all they get from it, just a face to direct the hate, won’t bring the kid back, will just f*ck your life.

NFI said :

Sarnia said :

Misinterpreted or not – I am offended. So here goes my attempt of the most positive response to your comments in order to comply with the moderator’s rules.
As you are only basing your view on the information provided in the above article, it is clear to see where your narrow minded response comes from. For someone who is sitting in front of a computer screen posting what they believe to be informed, possibly educated opinions, it appears to me – in my opinion, that you are a socially inept, narcissistic being, quite possibly so unattached to reality that you cannot even begin to perceive the effect of your blunt opinionated posts.
Please tell me, just how much is all this time being devoted to finding the driver? Where did you pull this piece of information from? “NFI” – ACT Police have limited resources – are you serious. When was the last time you spoke to a member of the AFP and discussed their resources in comparison to NSW police or other state or territory police? I am more than happy to have my tax dollars go towards valid and ethical purpose that they are funded for, regardless of the timeline involved.

Sarnia, if that’s a positive response I would hate to see a negative one.

One of the great things about a free society is the ability to question the actions of government. In this case, I was simply defending ‘Cheap’s’ right to question the allocation of resources by ACT Police. You don’t have to like it, but you have no right to silence other people’s views.

Can I suggest that what is best for you in this case, may not be the best outcome for the rest of society? Your family’s personal tragedy is only one of many that ACT Police has to devote its limited resources to.

What else should the collision team be investigating, do you think? Hasn’t been a fatal in about 12 months.

colourful sydney racing identity7:57 am 07 Mar 12

The Dark said :

Colourful Sydney Racing Identity – Did you even read my post as to WHY you should think about the other side of things? .

Yes I did, hence my post.

Colourful Sydney Racing Identity – Did you even read my post as to WHY you should think about the other side of things? Actually, come to think of it, have you contributed to this thread in any way?

and Caf – Yes, analytical thinking does come naturally to me. Yes, the police don’t speculate in situations like this, hence, I took what they said in the press release to be the facts that they believe to be true. But it seems the speculation on this topic is coming from the opposing side in this thread, the ones saying the driver specifically ran him down, under these circumstances, i would say that that is speculation, thus, prejudice to the case. And shocking as this is, as far as i know, noone here is helping the ‘criminal’ that did this run away from anything, just asking questions about why this case has been brought up again and further police resources spent on it, when in the eyes of the police it would be seen that the driver did nothing wrong, aside from fleeing the scene of an accident.

Also, even if I did know something about this case (but as a 20 yr old, i wasn’t even born when this happened, so i pretty deadset don’t), judging by the reactions of the family members on this page, i probably wouldn’t turn the driver in, maybe if they had just put up some words in appeal to this instead of flying off the handle and being condescending, then it would be a much more convincing side to things.

The Dark said :

I’m not trolling and I’m not trying to be an *rsehole,

It must just come naturally, then.

The Dark said :

I’m just stating the facts that are in the OFFICIAL press release, if the police had released something saying they are pursuing the offender because they had reason to believe it was intentional, then fair enough, but for all we know as the general public is that…

You might notice that the police don’t tend to speculate in public on things like “intentions”. They might say, for example, that they believe a certain person can “assist them with their inquiries”, rather than the unvarnished truth that they’d like to ask him about the bloody knife he was seen holding. Something about prejudicing the case, I believe.

In this case, it’s not relevant to finding the driver. Arguments about the events of the night in question can be had in court, if it comes to that. Or have we decided that we’ll help people run away from the cops if we think that they might have a good excuse?

Sarnia said :

Misinterpreted or not – I am offended. So here goes my attempt of the most positive response to your comments in order to comply with the moderator’s rules.
As you are only basing your view on the information provided in the above article, it is clear to see where your narrow minded response comes from. For someone who is sitting in front of a computer screen posting what they believe to be informed, possibly educated opinions, it appears to me – in my opinion, that you are a socially inept, narcissistic being, quite possibly so unattached to reality that you cannot even begin to perceive the effect of your blunt opinionated posts.
Please tell me, just how much is all this time being devoted to finding the driver? Where did you pull this piece of information from? “NFI” – ACT Police have limited resources – are you serious. When was the last time you spoke to a member of the AFP and discussed their resources in comparison to NSW police or other state or territory police? I am more than happy to have my tax dollars go towards valid and ethical purpose that they are funded for, regardless of the timeline involved.

Sarnia, if that’s a positive response I would hate to see a negative one.

One of the great things about a free society is the ability to question the actions of government. In this case, I was simply defending ‘Cheap’s’ right to question the allocation of resources by ACT Police. You don’t have to like it, but you have no right to silence other people’s views.

Can I suggest that what is best for you in this case, may not be the best outcome for the rest of society? Your family’s personal tragedy is only one of many that ACT Police has to devote its limited resources to.

colourful sydney racing identity12:23 pm 06 Mar 12

The Dark said :

Put yourself in the shoes of that person, you may have just killed someone in a split second before even having the time to process that thought, the next thing you think of is everything you have ever heard/read about this type of thing… so you realise there is no positive outcome to come of this regardless of what you do, so you run away… then you have to spend the rest of your life knowing what you did… think about that side of things, would you turn yourself in to potentially face prison and all the life destroying consequences that comes with that? Just so the person that caused this situations family would have a face to be angry at?

Oh, yes, let’s feel sorry for the poor person that killed a 17 year old and fled the scene. My heart is pissing itself with blood for them.

Evil_Kitten said :

Well said The Dark!

X Eleventygodzillion.

Well said The Dark!

Oh my god Sarnia and Nes and all the other people flipping over this, calm down.

For a start, it was 25 years ago, yes, someone died, but its still a long time ago, start moving on, otherwise you’re life can not continue forward. I’ve known 6 people that have died over the last 3 years, none of them went peacefully and none of them were at fault, but you have to accept that no matter who they were, they have died and you cant continue your life without accepting these things.

Second, the POLICE REPORT, that is meant to be a FACTUAL release of details to the public, states that he stepped out onto the road and was then hit by a car… thus leading anyone willing to pay attention to it, that it may have been his fault, aka, you step in front of a car and you will get hit.

I’m not trolling and I’m not trying to be an *rsehole, I’m just stating the facts that are in the OFFICIAL press release, if the police had released something saying they are pursuing the offender because they had reason to believe it was intentional, then fair enough, but for all we know as the general public is that some guy may have been just driving home from work or whatever, then some kid steps out in front of him, he hit him, not knowing how badly he was hurt, assumed the worst, then thought he was going to go to JAIL for something that was not his fault and so he fled and never came forward, for fear of the destruction of his life and family too.

Put yourself in the shoes of that person, you may have just killed someone in a split second before even having the time to process that thought, the next thing you think of is everything you have ever heard/read about this type of thing… so you realise there is no positive outcome to come of this regardless of what you do, so you run away… then you have to spend the rest of your life knowing what you did… think about that side of things, would you turn yourself in to potentially face prison and all the life destroying consequences that comes with that? Just so the person that caused this situations family would have a face to be angry at?

And finally Sarnia, before going on a raging tangent about someone lacking wisdom because they comprehended information infront of them and then sought to ask questions based on the information, maybe its you that needs to pursue the wisdom to accept that others will have different opinions to yourself, maybe about controversial matters that you feel strongly about. Wisdom would be taking the time to slow down and present your side of the arguement with a well thought out, calmly written chain of facts that you know to be true, thus presenting a viable arguement, instead of taking some holier then thou condescending tone from your computer chair.

Misinterpreted or not – I am offended. So here goes my attempt of the most positive response to your comments in order to comply with the moderator’s rules.
As you are only basing your view on the information provided in the above article, it is clear to see where your narrow minded response comes from. For someone who is sitting in front of a computer screen posting what they believe to be informed, possibly educated opinions, it appears to me – in my opinion, that you are a socially inept, narcissistic being, quite possibly so unattached to reality that you cannot even begin to perceive the effect of your blunt opinionated posts.
Please tell me, just how much is all this time being devoted to finding the driver? Where did you pull this piece of information from? “NFI” – ACT Police have limited resources – are you serious. When was the last time you spoke to a member of the AFP and discussed their resources in comparison to NSW police or other state or territory police? I am more than happy to have my tax dollars go towards valid and ethical purpose that they are funded for, regardless of the timeline involved.
You want a straight answer; you want the facts – fine. Ask, but don’t you dare say that it’s my brothers fault he died. Until the identity of the driver is discovered, there only facts available from people present that night that had the balls to stick around and give statements. If you are so blatantly ignorant to make assumptions based on an article, your perceptions are clearly distorted, and you are clearly not as intelligent as you try to be by basing your opinions on limited information.
My wish for you is that you never have to grow up with the pain of losing a loved one and having no answers. I wish for you to never wonder when you’re in a crowd, if the person involved in your brother’s death could possibly be in the same room as you. I wish for you to experience true deep appreciation for each breath you take, and true appreciation for moments that take your breath away. I wish for you to find the truth in life, without having to go through the pain my family have in order to find that truth.
So ill leave you with this, you “factual, informed (however limited), sad human”:
“Wisdom enriches the soul, not just the mind. It is different to mere intelligence – which dwells only in the mind. Wisdom goes deeper than that. When the brain, with all its facts and pieces of information ceases to exist, the ageless wisdom of the soul will endure.”
So, enjoy your human experience “Cheap”, because it is clear you have a long journey of wisdom searching ahead, and while you continue to fill your mind with facts and pieces of information, you clearly have not left much room for wisdom and compassion.
Sarnia.

caf said :

KB1971 said :

I do have a question for you, the press relase says that Troy stepped off the road but then you say the witnesses described that the car swerved, are the police across this? Its an important detail that may mean the difference to a successful convition.

I think you can take it for granted that the Police know quite a bit more about the events of that night than they put into the press release.

Given but the fact that there is a discrepancy leads to mis-information and speculation, as seen here.

KB1971 said :

I do have a question for you, the press relase says that Troy stepped off the road but then you say the witnesses described that the car swerved, are the police across this? Its an important detail that may mean the difference to a successful convition.

I think you can take it for granted that the Police know quite a bit more about the events of that night than they put into the press release.

KB1971 said :

nes19 said :

Hi I’d just like to say thanks to the people who have posted their fond, happy, positive memories of Troy. He was too young to die, and even worse in the way that he did. I would like to thank CHEAP for his inaccurate count of events, as this gives me the opportunity to clear it up for him and any other person who feels they know the events of that night. For one CHEAP, Troy was standing on the medium strip waiting to cross the road as stated by the 3 friends who were witness to this horrific event. Then the driver in the vehicle mentioned deliberately veared towards him, leading him to his fate, ending his short life, without a skid mark on the road!!!!!!!!!!! Leaving a family destroyed forever, even today. But the question remains to me CHEAP, if you know so much about this incident, where were you that night? were you in fact driving the vehicle perhaps, or a witness? Or are you just simply an over opinionated fxxk witt making judgements about stuff you hav no clue about, upsetting the mother and familiy of Troy. If you are such a motor head why not put your knowledge to use and help find the vehicle in question and help this family finally find answers!!! All the best NES, Troy’s little sister.

Hi Nes, thanks for a bit of clarification but dont get caught up in the RA garbage. Quite often how you read something isnt how it was intended to come across.

I do have a question for you, the press relase says that Troy stepped off the road but then you say the witnesses described that the car swerved, are the police across this? Its an important detail that may mean the difference to a successful convition.

The road is not what it was 25 years ago, it was merely a little raised strip of concrete on the road. From what I have been led to believe he was about to step out, if that clarifies things. The fact still remains it happened, noone has been caught or handed them selfes in? Accident, or on purpose it needs to be resolved.

nes19 said :

Hi I’d just like to say thanks to the people who have posted their fond, happy, positive memories of Troy. He was too young to die, and even worse in the way that he did. I would like to thank CHEAP for his inaccurate count of events, as this gives me the opportunity to clear it up for him and any other person who feels they know the events of that night. For one CHEAP, Troy was standing on the medium strip waiting to cross the road as stated by the 3 friends who were witness to this horrific event. Then the driver in the vehicle mentioned deliberately veared towards him, leading him to his fate, ending his short life, without a skid mark on the road!!!!!!!!!!! Leaving a family destroyed forever, even today. But the question remains to me CHEAP, if you know so much about this incident, where were you that night? were you in fact driving the vehicle perhaps, or a witness? Or are you just simply an over opinionated fxxk witt making judgements about stuff you hav no clue about, upsetting the mother and familiy of Troy. If you are such a motor head why not put your knowledge to use and help find the vehicle in question and help this family finally find answers!!! All the best NES, Troy’s little sister.

Hi Nes, thanks for a bit of clarification but dont get caught up in the RA garbage. Quite often how you read something isnt how it was intended to come across.

I do have a question for you, the press relase says that Troy stepped off the road but then you say the witnesses described that the car swerved, are the police across this? Its an important detail that may mean the difference to a successful convition.

buzz819 said :

ozmaniac said :

I would really like to know how you could possibly conclude it was a 1977-78 Holden panel van from a few paint chips off a non-factory paint job. Clutching at straws, it would seem…………………

It does also say that he was walking with three friends at the time, they would have provided a description, but you can forget about that bit if it makes you feel better.

Cheap said :

So wait. It was the kids fault that he got hit, right? So why are we devoting all this time to finding the driver of the car?

Why is it his fault? He was walking with friends when the driver struck him and fled, the driver could be facing a culpable drive causing death? Did you think of that or just go with the easiest offence/only offence that you know, that popped into your head?

Because if you rear the press release it states the the boy stepped off the median strip & was then struck by the car.

TBH, CHEAP was only asking questions based on the press release that was posted. I dont think he was trolling.

Hi I’d just like to say thanks to the people who have posted their fond, happy, positive memories of Troy. He was too young to die, and even worse in the way that he did. I would like to thank CHEAP for his inaccurate count of events, as this gives me the opportunity to clear it up for him and any other person who feels they know the events of that night. For one CHEAP, Troy was standing on the medium strip waiting to cross the road as stated by the 3 friends who were witness to this horrific event. Then the driver in the vehicle mentioned deliberately veared towards him, leading him to his fate, ending his short life, without a skid mark on the road!!!!!!!!!!! Leaving a family destroyed forever, even today. But the question remains to me CHEAP, if you know so much about this incident, where were you that night? were you in fact driving the vehicle perhaps, or a witness? Or are you just simply an over opinionated fxxk witt making judgements about stuff you hav no clue about, upsetting the mother and familiy of Troy. If you are such a motor head why not put your knowledge to use and help find the vehicle in question and help this family finally find answers!!! All the best NES, Troy’s little sister.

NFI said :

It is perfectly valid to question why ACT police are devoting resources to a hit and run from 1987. They have limited resources and no shortage of current day scum to investigate. If you have a problem with such questioning you are living in fantasy land.

I think I know what NFI stands for.

ozmaniac said :

I would really like to know how you could possibly conclude it was a 1977-78 Holden panel van from a few paint chips off a non-factory paint job. Clutching at straws, it would seem…………………

It does also say that he was walking with three friends at the time, they would have provided a description, but you can forget about that bit if it makes you feel better.

Cheap said :

So wait. It was the kids fault that he got hit, right? So why are we devoting all this time to finding the driver of the car?

Why is it his fault? He was walking with friends when the driver struck him and fled, the driver could be facing a culpable drive causing death? Did you think of that or just go with the easiest offence/only offence that you know, that popped into your head?

ThatUniStudent2:50 am 04 Mar 12

I saw a panel van just like that in Queanbeyan today. Same colour, same bonnet. Rego started with UBB. I will have to check my dash cam for the rest of it.
Maybe the ACT police need to talk to the QBN police?
But to be honest, you would expect a criminal to dump / burn / sell such a car.

I would really like to know how you could possibly conclude it was a 1977-78 Holden panel van from a few paint chips off a non-factory paint job. Clutching at straws, it would seem…………………

It is perfectly valid to question why ACT police are devoting resources to a hit and run from 1987. They have limited resources and no shortage of current day scum to investigate. If you have a problem with such questioning you are living in fantasy land.

Cheap said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Cheap said :

So wait. It was the kids fault that he got hit, right? So why are we devoting all this time to finding the driver of the car?

In all seriousness, f*** off and die.

Come on then? No one can give me a straight answer. As far as I’m aware the only thing the driver is accused of is leaving the scene – there doesn’t seem to be any suggestion that the driver’s own actions contributed in any way to the accident.

Leaving the scene of a car vs person collision is a crime.

Now .. F* off and die.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Cheap said :

So wait. It was the kids fault that he got hit, right? So why are we devoting all this time to finding the driver of the car?

In all seriousness, f*** off and die.

Come on then? No one can give me a straight answer. As far as I’m aware the only thing the driver is accused of is leaving the scene – there doesn’t seem to be any suggestion that the driver’s own actions contributed in any way to the accident.

colourful sydney racing identity4:06 pm 01 Mar 12

Cheap said :

So wait. It was the kids fault that he got hit, right? So why are we devoting all this time to finding the driver of the car?

In all seriousness, f*** off and die.

Good on the cops for not abandoning this old case. You never know, the driver of the shaggin wagon might get snitched by a vindictive ex-girlfriend or something.

Cheap said :

So wait. It was the kids fault that he got hit, right? So why are we devoting all this time to finding the driver of the car?

That’s vile. If you are trolling, stick to unpopular comments about video games.
Posting that reveals both inhumanity and ignorance of the law.

Cheap said :

So wait. It was the kids fault that he got hit, right? So why are we devoting all this time to finding the driver of the car?

What a very odd question. Why would you consider it unimportant to find the responsible person because it was an accident? I hope you aren’t implying that it’s acceptable to kill someone with your car and then just drive off.

Regardless, I’m surprised it would be so hard to track the vehicle down given that they have narrowed it down quite a bit with the test results.

So wait. It was the kids fault that he got hit, right? So why are we devoting all this time to finding the driver of the car?

Phil_the_Printer8:10 pm 29 Feb 12

I remember Troy too… a real character, larger than life, a real tragedy.

I knew Troy for many years, and whilst he had his moments, issues and problems, he was way too young to die. I distinctly recall him as being the first of my calssmates to die.
I hope for his mothers sake they find something to give her closure.

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