Downer murderer asks to be shielded from victims’ families

johnboy 17 May 2011 48

The Canberra Times reports that Scott McDougall’s lawyers are asking the court to to spare him from facing the families of Struan Bolas and Julie Tattersall whom he brutally murdered in Downer in 2008 when he is sentenced.

Normally an important part of justice for families of victims is seeing the sentence delivered in person.

But having had some dealings with elements from the familes in the years since the murder we here at RiotACT have a great deal of sympathy for the request.

Let’s just say they’re a special mob justifying at least a special request.

Justice Gray is considering it.


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Mr Gillespie Mr Gillespie 12:00 am 22 May 11

Jethro #46

1. This thread has got nothing to do with drink-driving

2. For your information, what I have said never condoned drink-driving

….so think again before you go looking for something to sling mud at me about, and try doing it in a different thread. A DUI-related thread, perhaps?

cleo cleo 10:38 pm 20 May 11

Lookout Smithers # 45

Yes well I suppose everyone is different how they feel, I sure a lot of your family feel differently, at least the person who murdered Jules was caught within hours, and he won’t be out of prison for a long long time, and he cannot do this to anyone else, that’s how I look at it, I wouldn’t want anyone to go through this, it has changed lives forever.
It will never bring loved one’s back, there is no professional pitch on my behalf, and I can’t see that one can just cut oneself from emotions off, sometimes people are in denial, it comes out later on, and is worse.

Jethro Jethro 6:59 am 20 May 11

Mr Gillespie said :

No, no, you and the other idiots bringing irrelevant crap into this thread are the stupid ones.

I have my reasons for calling for this one to be “hung high”, as you put it. Those reasons have got nothing to do with vultures hiding behind bushes on the side of the road.

The stupid ones are the ones who do what they can to discredit me, by bringing Erin Molan into it, bringing my opinions about other issues into it, and trying to make it into a law-and-order issue to try and make it look relevant.

I have lost 2 family members… 1 to a drink driver and 1 in an unsolved murder… the feeling of loss is the same. So, Mr G, I don’t think it is irrelevant to point out that you are a hypocrite for your disregard of road rules and the contempt you express towards police officers engaged in activities to reduce the road toll and your venom-filled hatred of murderers.

Lookout Smithers Lookout Smithers 12:12 am 20 May 11

cleo said :

Lookout Smithers # 36

Yes it would be hard for you to understand, if you had never experienced anything of this nature, alot of people don’t understand murder, and the effects on family and friends.
These family victim’s need to be in court to see that justice is done, and to honour their loved one’s, also respect.
The murderer would not want to attend court as he has lost his confidence to face family’s, no more smirking at them in court, as that is what happened, now that he has been charged with double murder, he knows he’s finished.
I’m sure the family’s don’t want to look at him.

I have lost a closed family member to a horrible murder. It remains unsolved to date so I have not been in the same position. But it would bring little comfort to me anyway. Changes nothing of the experience and everything it came with. Others feel differently, but everyone feels how they feel. Crisis management is all I see it as. Don’t be too quick to assume that everyone does the professional victim pitch.

Mr Gillespie Mr Gillespie 11:24 pm 19 May 11

Jethro said :

………..
You could and you would continue to make yourself look more and more stupid.

Dangerous and illegal driving threatens the lives of other people and regularly kills other people. We all know this. Therefore, those who continue to drive like this are wilfully putting the lives of other people at risk.

To reference your first example, people who eat themselves to death are hurting no-one but themselves. People who wilfully and deliberately drive like idiots are not just hurting themselves.

This is why people are calling you on your hypocrisy. You are a ‘hang him high’ type of guy when it comes to someone else’s crimes, but are a hard-done-by good guy being persecuted by an unfair police force when you get in trouble for the ones that you commit.

No, no, you and the other idiots bringing irrelevant crap into this thread are the stupid ones.

I have my reasons for calling for this one to be “hung high”, as you put it. Those reasons have got nothing to do with vultures hiding behind bushes on the side of the road.

The stupid ones are the ones who do what they can to discredit me, by bringing Erin Molan into it, bringing my opinions about other issues into it, and trying to make it into a law-and-order issue to try and make it look relevant.

cleo cleo 9:12 pm 19 May 11

LSWCHP # 32

No one deserves to die like these two innocent victims, NO ONE! It has nothing to do with a person’s past, this monster murdered his friends.
I know Straun’s daughter, she is a beautiful young women, just very sad all round for the family’s and friends.

Jethro Jethro 7:41 pm 19 May 11

Mr Gillespie said :

OK Jethro and Jim Jones, seeing as you are so determined to shoot me down because I have argued against speeding fines and enforcement, arguing about all the families of those killed in road accidents every year and all that, well, how about we start with a suggestion to ban junk food, for instance.

I justify why junk food shouldn’t be banned. I should be able to eat what I bloody well like. I don’t believe in rules about what people can and can’t eat

You say well tell that to the 100000s of families of people who die of heart disease because they ate junk food.

Or how about this. Let’s ban the car, and that will eliminate all road accidents altogether. Oh wait a minute, let’s ban trucks, busses, trains, and all other forms of transport because people get killed being run over by trucks, busses, trains, etc. But I say we need transport otherwise we can’t get from A to B. you say tell that to the 10000000s of families of people killed in such accidents every year.

Or you could say, ban aeroplanes, because people die in plane crashes. I say you can’t ban aeroplanes because we wouldn’t be able to fly. You say, tell that to the 2340000000 families of people who died in plane crashes.

I could go on like this forever…….

You could and you would continue to make yourself look more and more stupid.

Dangerous and illegal driving threatens the lives of other people and regularly kills other people. We all know this. Therefore, those who continue to drive like this are wilfully putting the lives of other people at risk.

To reference your first example, people who eat themselves to death are hurting no-one but themselves. People who wilfully and deliberately drive like idiots are not just hurting themselves.

This is why people are calling you on your hypocrisy. You are a ‘hang him high’ type of guy when it comes to someone else’s crimes, but are a hard-done-by good guy being persecuted by an unfair police force when you get in trouble for the ones that you commit.

cleo cleo 7:01 pm 19 May 11

Lookout Smithers # 36

Yes it would be hard for you to understand, if you had never experienced anything of this nature, alot of people don’t understand murder, and the effects on family and friends.
These family victim’s need to be in court to see that justice is done, and to honour their loved one’s, also respect.
The murderer would not want to attend court as he has lost his confidence to face family’s, no more smirking at them in court, as that is what happened, now that he has been charged with double murder, he knows he’s finished.
I’m sure the family’s don’t want to look at him.

The Frots The Frots 12:07 pm 19 May 11

colourful sydney racing identity said :

fgzk said :

Poor JB. How awful to get online abuse. Look on the bright side its not unwarranted. RA is the only consistent source of online vilification of dead people we have in Canberra. Good to see it does not go unnoticed by family and friends.

I, as much as anyone despair at the things some people on this site post about dead people, but threats to the site owner (and his ex) are a totally fdiffernet kettle of fish.

Agreed.

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 11:40 am 19 May 11

fgzk said :

Poor JB. How awful to get online abuse. Look on the bright side its not unwarranted. RA is the only consistent source of online vilification of dead people we have in Canberra. Good to see it does not go unnoticed by family and friends.

I, as much as anyone despair at the things some people on this site post about dead people, but threats to the site owner (and his ex) are a totally fdiffernet kettle of fish.

fgzk fgzk 11:22 am 19 May 11

Poor JB. How awful to get online abuse. Look on the bright side its not unwarranted. RA is the only consistent source of online vilification of dead people we have in Canberra. Good to see it does not go unnoticed by family and friends.

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 10:29 am 19 May 11

Mr Gillespie said :

OK Jethro and Jim Jones, seeing as you are so determined to shoot me down because I have argued against speeding fines and enforcement, arguing about all the families of those killed in road accidents every year and all that, well, how about we start with a suggestion to ban junk food, for instance.

I justify why junk food shouldn’t be banned. I should be able to eat what I bloody well like. I don’t believe in rules about what people can and can’t eat

You say well tell that to the 100000s of families of people who die of heart disease because they ate junk food.

Or how about this. Let’s ban the car, and that will eliminate all road accidents altogether. Oh wait a minute, let’s ban trucks, busses, trains, and all other forms of transport because people get killed being run over by trucks, busses, trains, etc. But I say we need transport otherwise we can’t get from A to B. you say tell that to the 10000000s of families of people killed in such accidents every year.

Or you could say, ban aeroplanes, because people die in plane crashes. I say you can’t ban aeroplanes because we wouldn’t be able to fly. You say, tell that to the 2340000000 families of people who died in plane crashes.

I could go on like this forever…….

You really don’t get it do you?

Lookout Smithers Lookout Smithers 6:42 am 19 May 11

I don’t know why the sentence is important to witness. The sentence will be what it will be so if one was there in the hope of seeing an outcome ideal, could be bit frustrating. Secondary victims should not go to court anyway. They just get a shock when they see its not a place for sympathy.

cleo cleo 1:02 am 19 May 11

It probably would be a good thing if the murderer was in an isolated part of the court, as everyone is concerned how he is going to react, the murderer said, ‘ I MIGHT AS WELL GIVE UP’.
When the judge had given him his verdict, the murderer turned around and did a royal bow to the family’s, that’s when a few of the family’s shouted at him, he then pointed at a young family member, and said ‘ I WILL GET YOU’, the murderer also told the the judge that he was a silly old bastard, and then he yelled he started it, meaning Struan

Mr Gillespie Mr Gillespie 10:21 pm 18 May 11

OK Jethro and Jim Jones, seeing as you are so determined to shoot me down because I have argued against speeding fines and enforcement, arguing about all the families of those killed in road accidents every year and all that, well, how about we start with a suggestion to ban junk food, for instance.

I justify why junk food shouldn’t be banned. I should be able to eat what I bloody well like. I don’t believe in rules about what people can and can’t eat

You say well tell that to the 100000s of families of people who die of heart disease because they ate junk food.

Or how about this. Let’s ban the car, and that will eliminate all road accidents altogether. Oh wait a minute, let’s ban trucks, busses, trains, and all other forms of transport because people get killed being run over by trucks, busses, trains, etc. But I say we need transport otherwise we can’t get from A to B. you say tell that to the 10000000s of families of people killed in such accidents every year.

Or you could say, ban aeroplanes, because people die in plane crashes. I say you can’t ban aeroplanes because we wouldn’t be able to fly. You say, tell that to the 2340000000 families of people who died in plane crashes.

I could go on like this forever…….

Mr Gillespie Mr Gillespie 10:01 pm 18 May 11

Jethro said :

Tell that to the families of the 1500 or so Australians who die in car wrecks each year. A driver who willfully disobeys road rules is doing so with the knowledge that their actions can have serious consequences, such as the death of innocent people.

Oh gee…..you sure like to stretch a point, don’t you. We are going WAAAAYYYY off topic now. Stop trying to mix the 2.

LSWCHP LSWCHP 9:40 pm 18 May 11

I know that dealing with members of the public can be a less than satisfactory experience, so I have some sympathy for JB and whatever he’s undergone from the families of the victims of this mongrel.

On the other hand, I’ve read the court report, which was utterly horrific. So if the family want to show up in court, shout abuse and fling lumps of shit (theirs, dogs, whatever) at this bloke, then they have my full support.

A couple of years ago I worked for a while with the daughter of Mr Bolas, and she seemed like a nice young woman. No matter what sort of past he had, neither he nor his daughter deserved what happened to him.

Jethro Jethro 5:43 pm 18 May 11

Mr Gillespie said :

Jim Jones said :

johnboy said :

Mr Gillespie said :

Oh don’t worry…..he will be transported.

The gutless little wimp will sit in a nice, safe little cell underneath the court building to hear his sentence via videolink.

Worked yourself into quite a lather haven’t you?

But apparently I’m the one that needs to see a shrink.

Odd, isn’t it?

Almost as odd as the man who believes that law and order is an evil inconvenience when applied to him, but an absolute froth-at-the-mouth-with-apoplectic-rage necessity when applied to others.

Again, comparing murder to all-too-common speeding tickets is just a bit like trying to compare nuclear warfare to kittens fighting.

Tell that to the families of the 1500 or so Australians who die in car wrecks each year. A driver who willfully disobeys road rules is doing so with the knowledge that their actions can have serious consequences, such as the death of innocent people.

Mr Gillespie Mr Gillespie 2:47 pm 18 May 11

Jim Jones said :

johnboy said :

Mr Gillespie said :

Oh don’t worry…..he will be transported.

The gutless little wimp will sit in a nice, safe little cell underneath the court building to hear his sentence via videolink.

Worked yourself into quite a lather haven’t you?

But apparently I’m the one that needs to see a shrink.

Odd, isn’t it?

Almost as odd as the man who believes that law and order is an evil inconvenience when applied to him, but an absolute froth-at-the-mouth-with-apoplectic-rage necessity when applied to others.

Again, comparing murder to all-too-common speeding tickets is just a bit like trying to compare nuclear warfare to kittens fighting.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 2:28 pm 18 May 11

johnboy said :

If Erin Molan was involved he might explode.

http://the-riotact.com/reasons-for-erin-molan-to-leave-canberra/30043

That’s awesome. 100% rabid froth-at-mouth ‘kill em all’ psycho … and also a creepy stalker. What an awesome combo.

I thank my lucky stars that I’m nothing more than a garden variety criminally insane charismatic cult leader.

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