Downer murderer asks to be shielded from victims' families

Poor JB. How awful to get online abuse. Look on the bright side its not unwarranted. RA is the only consistent source of online vilification of dead people we have in Canberra. Good to see it does not go unnoticed by family and friends.

Mr Gillespie said :

OK Jethro and Jim Jones, seeing as you are so determined to shoot me down because I have argued against speeding fines and enforcement, arguing about all the families of those killed in road accidents every year and all that, well, how about we start with a suggestion to ban junk food, for instance.

I justify why junk food shouldn’t be banned. I should be able to eat what I bloody well like. I don’t believe in rules about what people can and can’t eat

You say well tell that to the 100000s of families of people who die of heart disease because they ate junk food.

Or how about this. Let’s ban the car, and that will eliminate all road accidents altogether. Oh wait a minute, let’s ban trucks, busses, trains, and all other forms of transport because people get killed being run over by trucks, busses, trains, etc. But I say we need transport otherwise we can’t get from A to B. you say tell that to the 10000000s of families of people killed in such accidents every year.

Or you could say, ban aeroplanes, because people die in plane crashes. I say you can’t ban aeroplanes because we wouldn’t be able to fly. You say, tell that to the 2340000000 families of people who died in plane crashes.

I could go on like this forever…….

You really don’t get it do you?

I don’t know why the sentence is important to witness. The sentence will be what it will be so if one was there in the hope of seeing an outcome ideal, could be bit frustrating. Secondary victims should not go to court anyway. They just get a shock when they see its not a place for sympathy.

It probably would be a good thing if the murderer was in an isolated part of the court, as everyone is concerned how he is going to react, the murderer said, ‘ I MIGHT AS WELL GIVE UP’.
When the judge had given him his verdict, the murderer turned around and did a royal bow to the family’s, that’s when a few of the family’s shouted at him, he then pointed at a young family member, and said ‘ I WILL GET YOU’, the murderer also told the the judge that he was a silly old bastard, and then he yelled he started it, meaning Struan

OK Jethro and Jim Jones, seeing as you are so determined to shoot me down because I have argued against speeding fines and enforcement, arguing about all the families of those killed in road accidents every year and all that, well, how about we start with a suggestion to ban junk food, for instance.

I justify why junk food shouldn’t be banned. I should be able to eat what I bloody well like. I don’t believe in rules about what people can and can’t eat

You say well tell that to the 100000s of families of people who die of heart disease because they ate junk food.

Or how about this. Let’s ban the car, and that will eliminate all road accidents altogether. Oh wait a minute, let’s ban trucks, busses, trains, and all other forms of transport because people get killed being run over by trucks, busses, trains, etc. But I say we need transport otherwise we can’t get from A to B. you say tell that to the 10000000s of families of people killed in such accidents every year.

Or you could say, ban aeroplanes, because people die in plane crashes. I say you can’t ban aeroplanes because we wouldn’t be able to fly. You say, tell that to the 2340000000 families of people who died in plane crashes.

I could go on like this forever…….

Jethro said :

Tell that to the families of the 1500 or so Australians who die in car wrecks each year. A driver who willfully disobeys road rules is doing so with the knowledge that their actions can have serious consequences, such as the death of innocent people.

Oh gee…..you sure like to stretch a point, don’t you. We are going WAAAAYYYY off topic now. Stop trying to mix the 2.

I know that dealing with members of the public can be a less than satisfactory experience, so I have some sympathy for JB and whatever he’s undergone from the families of the victims of this mongrel.

On the other hand, I’ve read the court report, which was utterly horrific. So if the family want to show up in court, shout abuse and fling lumps of shit (theirs, dogs, whatever) at this bloke, then they have my full support.

A couple of years ago I worked for a while with the daughter of Mr Bolas, and she seemed like a nice young woman. No matter what sort of past he had, neither he nor his daughter deserved what happened to him.

Mr Gillespie said :

Jim Jones said :

johnboy said :

Mr Gillespie said :

Oh don’t worry…..he will be transported.

The gutless little wimp will sit in a nice, safe little cell underneath the court building to hear his sentence via videolink.

Worked yourself into quite a lather haven’t you?

But apparently I’m the one that needs to see a shrink.

Odd, isn’t it?

Almost as odd as the man who believes that law and order is an evil inconvenience when applied to him, but an absolute froth-at-the-mouth-with-apoplectic-rage necessity when applied to others.

Again, comparing murder to all-too-common speeding tickets is just a bit like trying to compare nuclear warfare to kittens fighting.

Tell that to the families of the 1500 or so Australians who die in car wrecks each year. A driver who willfully disobeys road rules is doing so with the knowledge that their actions can have serious consequences, such as the death of innocent people.

Jim Jones said :

johnboy said :

Mr Gillespie said :

Oh don’t worry…..he will be transported.

The gutless little wimp will sit in a nice, safe little cell underneath the court building to hear his sentence via videolink.

Worked yourself into quite a lather haven’t you?

But apparently I’m the one that needs to see a shrink.

Odd, isn’t it?

Almost as odd as the man who believes that law and order is an evil inconvenience when applied to him, but an absolute froth-at-the-mouth-with-apoplectic-rage necessity when applied to others.

Again, comparing murder to all-too-common speeding tickets is just a bit like trying to compare nuclear warfare to kittens fighting.

johnboy said :

If Erin Molan was involved he might explode.

http://the-riotact.com/reasons-for-erin-molan-to-leave-canberra/30043

That’s awesome. 100% rabid froth-at-mouth ‘kill em all’ psycho … and also a creepy stalker. What an awesome combo.

I thank my lucky stars that I’m nothing more than a garden variety criminally insane charismatic cult leader.

johnboy said :

If Erin Molan was involved he might explode.

Bellow the belt or what

The bloke is Guilty and should be made attend court and hear all the impact statements in the courtroom with all of the victims families present. The victims families are not guilty of anything as far as the courts are concerned as far as I know(relating to this case). Who cares if they verbally abuse him. If it was my family members who had been killed I would be wanting to get a hold of him who would care if it was in a court room. I dont understand your stance JB.

johnboy said :

Mr Gillespie said :

Oh don’t worry…..he will be transported.

The gutless little wimp will sit in a nice, safe little cell underneath the court building to hear his sentence via videolink.

Worked yourself into quite a lather haven’t you?

But apparently I’m the one that needs to see a shrink.

Odd, isn’t it?

Almost as odd as the man who believes that law and order is an evil inconvenience when applied to him, but an absolute froth-at-the-mouth-with-apoplectic-rage necessity when applied to others.

I don’t know the back story about JB’s dealings with the families. I only what I’ve read about the murders on the CT and ABC websites. I don’t think that any special consideration should be given to the convicted. He’ll be in a courtroom – what are they gonna do to him? Call him names and yell out nasty things to him?

Mr Gillespie said :

Oh don’t worry…..he will be transported.

The gutless little wimp will sit in a nice, safe little cell underneath the court building to hear his sentence via videolink.

Worked yourself into quite a lather haven’t you?

Mystery2Me said :

If the convicted murderer wants to sit in a room in AMC and listen to the judge give him years isn’t that a good thing. Saves the cost of transporting him to and from the courts. Plus, he not only hears what the judge has to say but also everything else that goes on in the court. So the victims families can still hurl abuse safe in the knowledge that a) he can hear them and b) he won’t run through the court room and kick them in the head. Win-win as far as I’m concerned.

Oh don’t worry…..he will be transported.

The gutless little wimp will sit in a nice, safe little cell underneath the court building to hear his sentence via videolink.

Jim Jones said :

johnboy said :

Wipe your drool mr g. He’s getting sentenced.

His vengeance fantasies are about as offensive than those that you are sadly encountering.

It’s a curious attitude towards law and order: on the one hand, absolutely baying for blood on this case, but when anyone dares to give him a speeding ticket (for breaking the law) then it’s the police who are the dangerous criminals who should be lined up against the wall.

Murder does not compare to a speeding ticket, moron.

Quite frankly, I struggle to remember ever seeing a more stark comparison!!! You really need to see a shrink buddy!!

johnboy said :

Wipe your drool mr g. He’s getting sentenced.

His vengeance fantasies are about as offensive than those that you are sadly encountering.

It’s a curious attitude towards law and order: on the one hand, absolutely baying for blood on this case, but when anyone dares to give him a speeding ticket (for breaking the law) then it’s the police who are the dangerous criminals who should be lined up against the wall.

If the convicted murderer wants to sit in a room in AMC and listen to the judge give him years isn’t that a good thing. Saves the cost of transporting him to and from the courts. Plus, he not only hears what the judge has to say but also everything else that goes on in the court. So the victims families can still hurl abuse safe in the knowledge that a) he can hear them and b) he won’t run through the court room and kick them in the head. Win-win as far as I’m concerned.

ezmae said :

The Frots said :

johnboy said :

Holditz said :

Isn’t this a purely voluntary thing, and a perpetrator can’t be forced to meet with his/her victims?

They’re talking about just having them in the court room.

Hmmm. Well, without knowing the history (I gather there is some!) stuff them. Keep them out (if its as bad as what this thread is intimating).

Are you kidding? yes clearly you do know nothing ! … how insensitive are you?
These families need this chance, and unless you have lost a family member or close friend to a brutal murder I suggest you pull your head out !

and stuff your self with intelegence
Johnboy , bit odd of you , are you friends with this convicted murderer? again very insulting to the victims left behind from this horrible nightmare … this monster deserves no rights in the matter

Nice touch – now what part of ‘I don’t know the history’ didn’t you get? For all you know, I may have lost a relative to this type of crime – or I may have been involved in similar situations. Regardless, you are expecting me to understand you view – and yet others disagree with you.

Isn’t that part of what is good about this site?

& we’re dedicating a song, just for him, when he goes down, seeing as he loves his guitar so much

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmur7-xjSCs

Wipe your drool mr g. He’s getting sentenced.

Never mind the victim’s families!!!! WHAT ABOUT THE KILLER? He is the most dangerous animal ever to go through the ACT judicial system. He is not sorry, no rational human being can account for the kind of ferocity the judge described as “appalling”. It’s all in the judgment, see http://www.courts.act.gov.au/supreme/judgments/mcdougall1.htm

I’m comfortable saying the victim families are the scariest and most unpleasant single group I’ve encountered in a decade running this site.

Just today i’ve had two emails from them dragging my ex girlfriend into their revolting vengeance fantasies.

I suggest you pull your head out and stuff your self with intelegence

lolz, Intelligence fail!

There is no threat of violence from family’s, that’s just so ridiculous.

Unfortunately Canberra courts don’t’ handcuff their offenders, only going in and out of court, not while in court, at one stage the authorities were considering having the murderer in shackles for the trial, not sure Ken Archer would have liked that, that just gives you some idea how dangerous the murderer is, if he can do that to friends, heaven help us if he took a dislike to someone.

Personally he should be looked up and the key thrown away, he is just too dangerous to be let out in public.

Oh Johnny you have got to be kidding, I think you have ‘slightly’ exaggerated the victims family’s, if anything Ken Archer doesn’t want his client to GO OFF! and he will, he is extremely dangerous, once he hears his sentencing.
You weren’t in court to see what the murderer did to the family’s, and The Canberra Times did not report it as it happened, all one sided, as they cannot say anything about the murderer, as this would be viewed as a prejudice, as he is the one who is to be sentenced.
Just Ken Archer playing his games, and looking for sympathy for his client, and also keeping in mind if his client wants to appeal his sentence.

The Frots said :

johnboy said :

Holditz said :

Isn’t this a purely voluntary thing, and a perpetrator can’t be forced to meet with his/her victims?

They’re talking about just having them in the court room.

Hmmm. Well, without knowing the history (I gather there is some!) stuff them. Keep them out (if its as bad as what this thread is intimating).

Are you kidding? yes clearly you do know nothing ! … how insensitive are you?
These families need this chance, and unless you have lost a family member or close friend to a brutal murder I suggest you pull your head out ! and stuff your self with intelegence
Johnboy , bit odd of you , are you friends with this convicted murderer? again very insulting to the victims left behind from this horrible nightmare … this monster deserves no rights in the matter

Let him sit in the four walls of his maximum-security cell at the AMC with the other putrids in there. He’s gonna have a lot of years to reflect on his failure of a life, and what he has done.

johnboy said :

Holditz said :

Isn’t this a purely voluntary thing, and a perpetrator can’t be forced to meet with his/her victims?

They’re talking about just having them in the court room.

Hmmm. Well, without knowing the history (I gather there is some!) stuff them. Keep them out (if its as bad as what this thread is intimating).

Having now been convicted of murder on both counts, Scott Alexander McDougall, through his defence counsel Ken Archer, has asked Justice Gray that he not be in the same courtroom as the families of the victims he butchered to death in September 2008.

There are concerns he will go off his head when his sentence is finally handed down which won’t go his way, after overwhelming evidence securing both murder convictions which his taxpayer-funded defence counsel — rather than trying to get him off the double-murder charges — has instead asked that he be excused from the courtroom, and hear his sentence from a “remote location.”

McDougall just can’t face the fact that the crimes for which he has been convicted, involves such a horrific level of violence, as detailed in Justice Gray’s judgment. During the trial, while he admitted “causing the deaths” of his victims, he refused to man up and take responsibility by:

(a) magically having a memory dropout from the time Straun Bolas allegedly came at him with the meat cleaver to the time both his victims lay dead on the floor, and

(b) pleading not guilty to both murders throughout, thinking he could exploit the ACT’s weak murder law which resulted in killers escaping murder convictions over the past 13 years prior to this case.

What his lawyers are saying as reported in the aforementioned Canberra Times article is basically that he is saying how dare the families of his victims have their say in the court after what he had done.

I think the victim’s families are entitled to feel this angry given the circumstances of the horrific nature of these particular murders, don’t you reckon?

Holditz said :

Isn’t this a purely voluntary thing, and a perpetrator can’t be forced to meet with his/her victims?

They’re talking about just having them in the court room.

Isn’t this a purely voluntary thing, and a perpetrator can’t be forced to meet with his/her victims?

johnboy said :

Gerry-Built said :

“special” or not; if it is “normally an important part of justice” for families, why make an exception for the one guy who was exceptional enough to earn the first murder conviction in >10 years? He already knew who he was dealing with…

I’m sugar coating it with “special”.

I think there are legitimate fears for order and safety in the court with these people and frankly they might not deserve satisfaction.

On the basis of my dealings with them I’d understand if the judge eventually decides to agree to this request.

Would’nt be my neighbours would they JB?

johnboy said :

I’m sugar coating it with “special”.

I think there are legitimate fears for order and safety in the court with these people and frankly they might not deserve satisfaction.

On the basis of my dealings with them I’d understand if the judge eventually decides to agree to this request.

Well, I guess that *is* why we have the magistrates make these decisions… plus, they have “all the facts” too…

Gerry-Built said :

“special” or not; if it is “normally an important part of justice” for families, why make an exception for the one guy who was exceptional enough to earn the first murder conviction in >10 years? He already knew who he was dealing with…

I’m sugar coating it with “special”.

I think there are legitimate fears for order and safety in the court with these people and frankly they might not deserve satisfaction.

On the basis of my dealings with them I’d understand if the judge eventually decides to agree to this request.

“special” or not; if it is “normally an important part of justice” for families, why make an exception for the one guy who was exceptional enough to earn the first murder conviction in >10 years? He already knew who he was dealing with…