16 November 2010

Drivers Beware - YELLOW LANCER

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Frighteningly my wife and young family were appproached by a young man wielding a hammer on Yamba drive this morning in peak hour traffic in a road rage incident. He was driving a yellow mitsubishi lancer bearing a distintive “So Seductive Car Detailing” sticker followed by a telephone number.

He was of middle eastern appearance and would have been 18-22 and of slight build.

After being tail gated and then cut off he took a disliking to a simple flash of the lights to indicate the danger he posed to us and other road users and at this point saw it fit to stop in the middle of the road in traffic and approach us with a hammer screaming obscenities.

Fortunately we received only a terrible fright and we able to avoid being blocked in as he had planned.

Please look out for this driver and maintain a safe distance to avoid any future terrifying or violent act.

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Amanda Hugankis said :

ConanOfCooma said :

shadow boxer said :

To the original poster, i’m curious.

What reaction did you expect when you when you flashed the lights at him ?

At first I was like… But then I realised what you were saying.

I have to agree, TBH. Excluding the “reaction” involving a hammer. But considering he’s middle eatern, you’re probably lucky his six cousins didn’t also jump out of the car and stab you to death in time to some terrible doof song.

Just curious – what do reaction do people expect to get when they tailgate others and then cut them off?

I would suggest no reaction at all … they are serving you up a shit sandwich and they expect you to say ‘thankyou’, eat the sandwich and don’t leave any crusts!

Very lucky they werent already following him in their Fat pizza cars ready to do alot more damage!
Your lucky you didnt just bring on another cronulla riot on you, ur car and everyone associated with you!!

Amanda Hugankis said :

shadow boxer said :

@ Amanda hugankiss

Where to start, tailgating doesn’t interfere with anyone, just move on with your day. If you do feel threatened the last thing you should be doing is escalating the situation through drving slower or flashing lights.

It’s not a drivers job to police the roads flashing lights at everyones behaviour you don’t like.

Report it if you must but I dare say if the lights hadn’t been flicked none of this would have happened.

Lights and horns should be reserved for their proper use, as the rules of the road outline.

Reading back over everything, I guess you’re right. The OP really bought the tailgating, the cutoff and then the hammer wielding on themselves. Its clear that the poor fella in the yellow Lancer was just minding his own business until he had some lights flicked at him – & thinking about it, I’d be cranky if some one did that to me too.

I can completely understand why he got out of the car and threatened the OP with a hammer – some days you just gotta dish out your own form of justice and teach people that flicking your lights is purile, immature and pointless. Some might say that approaching their car, carrying a hammer to indicate that you are serious about having been upset, is a little too subtle, but hey, you don’t want to risk the situation turning getting out of control – especially when you’re dealing with someone who flicks their lights at you … you don’t know what might happen next!

I for one am glad that people like YellowLancerHammerMan are out there letting other drivers know this light flicking business won’t be tolerated! Don’t even get me started on the driving slower business!!!

Finally someone with sense!!
Firstly Dont flash your lights, and second if your going to bring trouble onto yourself, be a man and dont whine about it and do nothing after you realise your not 50ft tall!!

shadow boxer said :

@ Amanda hugankiss

Where to start, tailgating doesn’t interfere with anyone, just move on with your day. If you do feel threatened the last thing you should be doing is escalating the situation through drving slower or flashing lights.

It’s not a drivers job to police the roads flashing lights at everyones behaviour you don’t like.

Report it if you must but I dare say if the lights hadn’t been flicked none of this would have happened.

Lights and horns should be reserved for their proper use, as the rules of the road outline.

Thank you! If he minded his own business instead of trying to be a hero, It WOULDNT have happend.
I’m not saying the guy with the hammer was right but this guy definitely provoked it will flashing lights and being racist!

Me no fry said :

Run him over. You were trying to get away and put the car into the wrong gear, and smashed him into his own car. Tragic accident, of course.

Ohhh, So running someone over is the solution now hey?
Forget about the police and all, why not take everything into your own hands if you think your so tough and all mightey!
I’d like to see you even stand still without wanting to run if you saw ANYONE not just this guy coming towards you!

Well now, this is fun isn’t it. After being so obviously knocked out of the running for the November Mully we might just get a revival up for February. Who says the sequel is never as good as the original?

Lexus, its interesting that you chose to contradict the OP on a couple of points

Lexus123 said :

…You did NOT have a family in the car it was just you and your wife…
…you are the one who was the aggressor in this situation…

But what you DIDN’T do was counter the accusation that the driver of the Yellow Lancer (Gallant) either;

(a) Tailgated the OP
(b) Cut them off, and
(c) Threatened them with a hammer

So just so we are clear, the “slander” you’re referring to is that the Yellow Lancer driver’s dangerous driving and threatened violence was unprovoked?

FOTW contestant? Hardly any overuse of CAPITALS, but surely points must be awarded for such a good thread resurrection/rebirth?

OT, while this is clearly a he said/she said type situation, getting in first and setting a scene might well work in the OP’s favour.

I have witnessed two such incidents in recent months. One the female actually got out of her car on two occasions at intersections and screamed abuse and drivers behind her (in cluding me!), her driving was exceptionally aggressive all the way from Qbn into Canberra. I did take her details but then wondered if the police would or could do anything, as she was a NSW plate and the incidents happened in NSW and then in the ACT. So who do you tell? She was crazed with rage and aggression (White holden ute).

Second one was on the Qbn to Canberra road, young man who seemed to hate anyone ahead of him and when the road becomes 2 lane outside the airport, actually swerved at the cab of a removal van several times, screaming at the driver. The van hadn’t done a thing, it was pure uncontrolled rage. I took his details again and this time found the place on the ACT Policing website where you can report stuff like that, but I never heard anything back.

shadow boxer10:41 am 28 Feb 11

ooh, it gets better, we are going to need a shovel to get the egg off some faces in here.

johnboy said :

sirocco said :

This has got to be November Mully Cup worthy?

Have you seen the competition?

Mully killed a family, this guy was standing up to a racist lower life in ou r comunity

FIRSTLY i was also there. You did NOT have a family in the car it was just you and your wife. This whole fued started when you flicked your ciggerattee butt into the car window of the ‘offender’ and slammed racial comments at the so called ‘offender’. Really people like you are the problem in our society. For starters throwing a ciggerate butt into someones car window even though it may have been an accident is dissgusting and to follow this with racial comments you should be the one reported!!!! So next time you go out on a rampage slandering other canberra drivers you should first look at yourself!

After what you said to him…. do you expect him not to get out of his car! In conclusion to this you are the LOSER driver who should be taken not only off the roads but also the streets as you are the one who was the aggresser in this situation and then had the hide to go have a winge about ‘how your the victim’ on a website!!!

that’s what you get for flashing your headlights

shadow boxer4:10 pm 25 Nov 10

Rofl, this thread is internet gold,

That short stopping question is still there when you are ready…

Jim Jones said :

2) The model of car *was* correctly identified

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If we believe the below post, it wasn’t. Not that I care, just say’in.

joeyjojojuniorshabadoo said :

Hi all, 3 post nutbag here. The yellow Lancer in question is actually an early 90’s Mitsubishi Galant VR4, and it is definitely still getting around – I spotted it on Drakeford Drive yesterday.

shadow boxer said :

Ahh the short stoping moron who deliberately causes accidents returns, I thought I could flush you out.

do you want to answer my previous question that is still hanging out there since you read the thread so closely ?

The police gave it the appropriate response, I cetainly agree with their actions.

You can type … but you can’t read.

How is that possible.

shadow boxer2:48 pm 25 Nov 10

Ahh the short stoping moron who deliberately causes accidents returns, I thought I could flush you out.

do you want to answer my previous question that is still hanging out there since you read the thread so closely ?

The police gave it the appropriate response, I cetainly agree with their actions.

shadow boxer said :

So someone came into the police station and admitted breaking the law by flashing their lights in a built up area and gave a description of the reacting offender as an 18-22 year old of middle eastern appearance with no licence plate and the wrong model of car.

I would say the police filed it in the appropraite place.

You might want to go back and read the thread, dingus.

You’ve made so many major errors in a small post (again) that, once again, I’m left wondering why you bother posting if you can’t be bothered reading what you’re supposed to be posting about:

1) The OP *did* get the plate number
2) The model of car *was* correctly identified
3) Flashing lights in a built up area is hardly a crime the police are going to be concerned about when it’s put up against reckless driving and threatening someone with a hammer.

I think the only thing you got right was “18-22 year old of middle eastern appearance”.

Well done on that, I suppose. Keep working on your basic comprehension skills and one day you might be able to post something that doesn’t make me want to poke out my eyes with a rusty screwdriver.

fgzk said :

Tooks I’m not sure it is trolling. It may be an expression of dissatisfaction some of the public have when dealings with the police. Especially over the counter.

People need to realise that if they look a certain way or have “other” issues they will be challenged rigorously to prove a claim. This may involve intimidation. You cant expect the police to help scumbags.

Personally I think it maybe some kind of game the sergeant is playing with the newbie behind the counter. Maybe they score on how many people they can intimidate to leave without making a report.

Don’t know if you’re deliberately trolling or not, but the way you word your messages, suggests that you are.

I’m all for police accountability (as I’ve said many times before). If someone receives what they see as unsatisfactory service, then yes, they have every right to share those experiences and seek further action from either the officer/s involved, or someone higher up the foodchain.

How many people though, including some on this thread, are disatisfied with the conduct of police, yet take no steps to bring them to account?

“You can’t expect the police to help scumbags.”

That’s where you show your ignorance of policing. Those you call scumbags (presumably drug addicts, criminals etc) are often – very often – victims of crime or are complainants. To suggest police don’t help them is so wrong, it’s ridiculous.

“People need to realise that if they look a certain way or have “other” issues they will be challenged rigorously to prove a claim.”

If you’ve got a personal experience along these lines, do tell. What do you mean exactly by “challenged rigorously”?

Personally I think it maybe some kind of game the sergeant is playing with the newbie behind the counter. Maybe they score on how many people they can intimidate to leave without making a report.

Please. And you’re wondering why I think you may be a troll?

shadow boxer1:40 pm 25 Nov 10

So someone came into the police station and admitted breaking the law by flashing their lights in a built up area and gave a description of the reacting offender as an 18-22 year old of middle eastern appearance with no licence plate and the wrong model of car.

I would say the police filed it in the appropraite place.

fgzk said :

Tooks I’m not sure it is trolling. It may be an expression of dissatisfaction some of the public have when dealings with the police. Especially over the counter.

People need to realise that if they look a certain way or have “other” issues they will be challenged rigorously to prove a claim. This may involve intimidation. You cant expect the police to help scumbags.

Personally I think it maybe some kind of game the sergeant is playing with the newbie behind the counter. Maybe they score on how many people they can intimidate to leave without making a report.

You see, it’s comments like these that makes people think they are trolls. Constructive critisism is good, unhelpful, baiting and blatant anti-police bitching is not. It is funny that when these types of posts are made and when challenged to provide more information about the incident, nothing more is said. That says to me they are not telling the whole story. If you have a valid complaint (which plenty of people may do) you should have no issues in telling the whole story, not just a snippet that makes you look good.

Tooks I’m not sure it is trolling. It may be an expression of dissatisfaction some of the public have when dealings with the police. Especially over the counter.

People need to realise that if they look a certain way or have “other” issues they will be challenged rigorously to prove a claim. This may involve intimidation. You cant expect the police to help scumbags.

Personally I think it maybe some kind of game the sergeant is playing with the newbie behind the counter. Maybe they score on how many people they can intimidate to leave without making a report.

bigred said :

Tooksie, when your lot fail to please next I can assure you that you will be last to know, unless you are the perpetrator. Now be a good lad and get out on the beat and off the station computer. Have a nice night.

Zzzzz. Same old lame trolling. Get some new material; maybe look some up on Google next time your stuck at your work cubicle wishing you were somewhere else.

Back on topic, hopefully Bman will be back to update us on how things turned out.

CraigT said :

I’m interested that Tooks, with his vast experience of law enforcement, needs to ask what charges the terrorist in the yellow lancer could be done for.

A big fail for you comphrension skills, champ. I asked you for your opinion on what charges (also read comment #178) should be laid (which you ignored). I also asked on what grounds he could be arrested (which you ignored). Then I asked on what basis do you think the guy is a psychopath (which you ignored).

So in response, you ignore every question I ask, preferring to type a barely literate rant containing dubious, unsourced info. You also appear to have confused the OP’s story with another post within this thread. A fail on all counts.

Tooksie, when your lot fail to please next I can assure you that you will be last to know, unless you are the perpetrator. Now be a good lad and get out on the beat and off the station computer. Have a nice night.

I’m interested that Tooks, with his vast experience of law enforcement, needs to ask what charges the terrorist in the yellow lancer could be done for.

Let’s do a thought experiment, shall we?

I’m a copper.
Somebody comes into my office with two boxes and puts them on my desk.
I open box #1: it contains a donut.
-I’m pretty sure I don’t need to post questions on Riot-Act to find out how to deal with that.
I open box #2: it contains a hammer-wielding psychopath, a complainant, and 4 witnesses.
-Now, as a trained law enforcement professional, do I know what to do with this, or do I treat the complainant with contempt and thinly-veiled hints he’s a time-waster?

I guess what I’m saying is this: it’s time the cops in this town (the Australian police force with the highest level of complaints upheld against it, I might add) took the community seriously.

Instead of sitting around the office congratulating each other on holding ignorant contra-factual opinions such as “Peak oil is a myth” and “climate change is crap”, get out there and convince the ACT community that you want to catch criminals.

Captain RAAF said :

Well dunno if there is a civvy equivalent but in the ADF you can be charged with ‘Assault or use provocotive words…’ such as “I’m going to beat your fucken head in with this hammer!!!”

You don’t have to actually touch someone to assault them.

Don’t tell me, if you penetrate someone’s aura with your aggression, then you’re in big trouble?

bigred said :

Hey tooks, afraid I don’t have a current gripe of significance so couldn’t ring. Hope you listened anyway. Learn anything about how things should work?

BTW, when have you ever had a gripe of significance?

bigred said :

Hey tooks, afraid I don’t have a current gripe of significance so couldn’t ring. Hope you listened anyway. Learn anything about how things should work?

I already know everything.

Hey tooks, afraid I don’t have a current gripe of significance so couldn’t ring. Hope you listened anyway. Learn anything about how things should work?

Captain RAAF said :

joeyjojojuniorshabadoo said :

Hi all, 3 post nutbag here. The yellow Lancer in question is actually an early 90’s Mitsubishi Galant VR4, and it is definitely still getting around – I spotted it on Drakeford Drive yesterday.

Fuck you BMAN (The OP), all this time I’ve been searching for a Lancer and it turns out it’s a bloody Mitsubishi, no wonder the cops ignored you, you can’t even get the car right!!!

Piss off back to obscurity where you belong!

So help me, If I had a hammer i’d…….

Lancers are Mitsubishis.

And, depending on which model Galant the car is, I think you could be forgiven for getting confused between the two. Particularly in a situation like the one OP describes.

shadow boxer11:34 am 24 Nov 10

joeyjojojuniorshabadoo said :

Hi all, 3 post nutbag here. The yellow Lancer in question is actually an early 90’s Mitsubishi Galant VR4, and it is definitely still getting around – I spotted it on Drakeford Drive yesterday.

rofl, that’s priceless…

Captain RAAF11:30 am 24 Nov 10

joeyjojojuniorshabadoo said :

Hi all, 3 post nutbag here. The yellow Lancer in question is actually an early 90’s Mitsubishi Galant VR4, and it is definitely still getting around – I spotted it on Drakeford Drive yesterday.

Fuck you BMAN (The OP), all this time I’ve been searching for a Lancer and it turns out it’s a bloody Mitsubishi, no wonder the cops ignored you, you can’t even get the car right!!!

Piss off back to obscurity where you belong!

So help me, If I had a hammer i’d…….

joeyjojojuniorshabadoo10:40 am 24 Nov 10

Hi all, 3 post nutbag here. The yellow Lancer in question is actually an early 90’s Mitsubishi Galant VR4, and it is definitely still getting around – I spotted it on Drakeford Drive yesterday.

Captain RAAF10:32 am 24 Nov 10

johnboy said :

sirocco said :

This has got to be November Mully Cup worthy?

Have you seen the competition?

Surely that dickhead and his prostate are a chance?………umm wait a sec..

colourful sydney racing identity10:31 am 24 Nov 10

CraigT said :

So it’s been a week – have the pigs locked this psychopath up yet, or have they got better things to do. Round things with holes in them.

If you are going to troll, can you please be vaguely amusing instead of sadly predictable.

fgzk said :

Tooks Why lock him up. Just send a car round and taser him until he complies. Enter his rego in the rapid system for “attention”. Apply taser when necessary. Drug test, roadworthy, unpaid hammer tax etc. Would evidence still be needed? Do we really need more laws to do this now?

Another lame trolling attempt. Come back with some better bait and try again.

Tooks Why lock him up. Just send a car round and taser him until he complies. Enter his rego in the rapid system for “attention”. Apply taser when necessary. Drug test, roadworthy, unpaid hammer tax etc. Would evidence still be needed? Do we really need more laws to do this now?

sirocco said :

This has got to be November Mully Cup worthy?

Have you seen the competition?

This has got to be November Mully Cup worthy?

Captain RAAF said :

Well dunno if there is a civvy equivalent but in the ADF you can be charged with ‘Assault or use provocotive words…’ such as “I’m going to beat your fucken head in with this hammer!!!”

You don’t have to actually touch someone to assault them.

There is but due to a lack of physical evidence (unless you filmed it) it probably very difficult to get the cops to bother to charge someone with it and even more difficult to get any form of conviction..

Captain RAAF said :

Well dunno if there is a civvy equivalent but in the ADF you can be charged with ‘Assault or use provocotive words…’ such as “I’m going to beat your fucken head in with this hammer!!!”

You don’t have to actually touch someone to assault them.

Wasn’t suggesting in my earlier post that there were no relevant charges. Just wanted to know Craig T’s opinion on it, how how he could justify locking Mr Lancer up based on what we know.

Captain RAAF9:48 am 24 Nov 10

Well dunno if there is a civvy equivalent but in the ADF you can be charged with ‘Assault or use provocotive words…’ such as “I’m going to beat your fucken head in with this hammer!!!”

You don’t have to actually touch someone to assault them.

Tooks said :

And on what offences would you charge him with based on the information given?

Terrorism.

bigred said :

Just ring the ABC 666 radio drive show this arvo between 4.30-5pm when the good super Colbran is taking calls and explaining the road rules. He seems to get the sh&ts when a member of the public rings in and complains that stuff like this rates below donuts in the priority system.

How ’bout you ring him today, bigred? I’ll even tune in on the ol’ wireless to hear you give it to him. Or don’t you have the kahunas? 🙂

CraigT said :

So it’s been a week – have the pigs locked this psychopath up yet, or have they got better things to do. Round things with holes in them.

A couple of questions for you:

What would their (you know, da pigs, maaaaan) grounds be for locking him up? And on what offences would you charge him with based on the information given?
You’ve decided from a post that he is a psychopath. How’d you come to that conclusion?

I’m not convinced the OP isn’t just an attempt at winning the November Mully.

Just ring the ABC 666 radio drive show this arvo between 4.30-5pm when the good super Colbran is taking calls and explaining the road rules. He seems to get the sh&ts when a member of the public rings in and complains that stuff like this rates below donuts in the priority system.

So it’s been a week – have the pigs locked this psychopath up yet, or have they got better things to do. Round things with holes in them.

CRAZY SOUTHSIDERS…at least up north,you will only get stabbed and have your deep fryer stolen

colourful sydney racing identity9:34 am 22 Nov 10

liberaldose said :

“What did the police say when you reported it?”

“When I reported a similar incident to police that occurred in about the same place they said it was just my word against the other driver. With a witness I guess it is just your words against the other driver.”

“Don’t waste your time”

The police will have to investigate this if it is reported – better yet to have an independant witness. Only problem is, even if the wanker was interviewed and charged, the lefties in the court rooms would let him go. After all, he’s from a minority group and they basically get away with anything they damn well please.
Pray for the day Menzies gets a doppleganger and he’s sitting up as Immigration Minister..
*waiting for bomb to land*

obvious troll is obvious.

“What did the police say when you reported it?”

“When I reported a similar incident to police that occurred in about the same place they said it was just my word against the other driver. With a witness I guess it is just your words against the other driver.”

“Don’t waste your time”

The police will have to investigate this if it is reported – better yet to have an independant witness. Only problem is, even if the wanker was interviewed and charged, the lefties in the court rooms would let him go. After all, he’s from a minority group and they basically get away with anything they damn well please.
Pray for the day Menzies gets a doppleganger and he’s sitting up as Immigration Minister..
*waiting for bomb to land*

facet said :

Not clear to me either, I took the time and effort to identify and locate the guy who wacked me and my car, I tried to follow up with Belconnen police and was treated like shit, hence my belief that ACT police are not interested in stopping aggressive drivers, it seems that it is just too hard for them.

I find it hard to believe your matter was dismissed because it was ‘too hard’. Can you explain exacly how you were treated like shit? You don’t know the reason why your complaint didn’t make it to Court but then you jump to the conclusion Police aren’t interested. I think you’ll find evidence doesn’t just fall into the laps of Police like it does on any number of TV cop shows and sometimes the truth to the extent of legal proof is never discovered. That doesn’t automatically mean it was from lack of trying.

fgzk said :

Facet you probably look like a junkie/druggie/bogan and will not receive any police help over the counter. Best not complain or make a scene or you may be taken behind the counter till you stop making fictitious claims. This is the police working properly.

What’s your story? Did somthing like this actually happen to you, or is this some ficticious claim?

Captain RAAF10:19 am 21 Nov 10

The Traineediplomat said :

Bring back ratetheplate.com.au

Yep, that would be great. Why did it disappear in the first place?

Captain RAAF10:16 am 21 Nov 10

Tooks said :

fgzk said :

Facet you probably look like a junkie/druggie/bogan and will not receive any police help over the counter. Best not complain or make a scene or you may be taken behind the counter till you stop making fictitious claims. This is the police working properly.

Straight from Lame Attempts at Trolling 101.

Well, he did write it after all…..

The Traineediplomat5:07 am 21 Nov 10

Bring back ratetheplate.com.au

fgzk said :

Facet you probably look like a junkie/druggie/bogan and will not receive any police help over the counter. Best not complain or make a scene or you may be taken behind the counter till you stop making fictitious claims. This is the police working properly.

Straight from Lame Attempts at Trolling 101.

He is driving a yellow Lancer so obviously there are more underlying problems here. He is probably insecure about his sexuality.

Facet you probably look like a junkie/druggie/bogan and will not receive any police help over the counter. Best not complain or make a scene or you may be taken behind the counter till you stop making fictitious claims. This is the police working properly.

shadow boxer7:54 am 19 Nov 10

Jim Jones said :

shadow boxer said :

If you really do what you said in your last paragraph you are clearly the biggest moron on our roads, funny thing is the morons can never see it but somehow I doubt you do it and you are just blowing smoke on the internet.

I can assure you that my car is a piece of sh1t with some damage to the rear end and I’m just aching for someone to run up my arse so that they pay to have it fixed.

If someone tailgates me and ends up having to pay to have my car fixed, who is the moron?

Well clearly you, only a moron would deliberately cause an accident on the roads, how many times have you done this ?

bigred said :

With all this bad stuff happening I am going to buy a big bad black hummer and splatter Lancers if they mess with me. And will have total impunity because plod will be sipping coffee and dunking donts.

Make room for the fishing rods bigred …….

With all this bad stuff happening I am going to buy a big bad black hummer and splatter Lancers if they mess with me. And will have total impunity because plod will be sipping coffee and dunking donts.

“If you deliberately jump on your brakes to cause the idiot to run into the back of you, you may have some explaining to do.”

No brake lights if you use the hand brake

Pork Hunt said :

Erg0 said :

Addendum: In fact, I’d say that by far the most vilified group on this site is the white Australian bogan.

And rightly so. 🙂

lol

Punter said :

Vincent Vega said :

You suggest that one should not lodge a complaint with the police unless you are certain that you have an independent witness.

It seems clear to me facet has experienced a traumatic event which was correctly reported to Police. The matter was unable to proceed for a reason which is still not clear to us

Not clear to me either, I took the time and effort to identify and locate the guy who wacked me and my car, I tried to follow up with Belconnen police and was treated like shit, hence my belief that ACT police are not interested in stopping aggressive drivers, it seems that it is just too hard for them. Incident occurred on 28 January 2009, should not be too hard to look up in Belconnen police records.
Interestingly this guy drives two cars with the same registration plate number, one with personalised mauve colour and one standard (separate cars) wonder how he manages that.
This guy is so off the chart that I bet he has gone on to threaten (maybe assault) other drivers.

carnardly said :

Maybe it was Mully’s brother seeking mully revenge.

Can Johnboy tell us how many times the word “Mully” has appeared on this site?

Erg0 said :

Addendum: In fact, I’d say that by far the most vilified group on this site is the white Australian bogan.

And rightly so. 🙂

Tooks said :

Jim Jones said :

shadow boxer said :

If you really do what you said in your last paragraph you are clearly the biggest moron on our roads, funny thing is the morons can never see it but somehow I doubt you do it and you are just blowing smoke on the internet.

I can assure you that my car is a piece of sh1t with some damage to the rear end and I’m just aching for someone to run up my arse so that they pay to have it fixed.

If someone tailgates me and ends up having to pay to have my car fixed, who is the moron?

If you deliberately jump on your brakes to cause the idiot to run into the back of you, you may have some explaining to do.

Tooks said :

Jim Jones said :

shadow boxer said :

If you really do what you said in your last paragraph you are clearly the biggest moron on our roads, funny thing is the morons can never see it but somehow I doubt you do it and you are just blowing smoke on the internet.

I can assure you that my car is a piece of sh1t with some damage to the rear end and I’m just aching for someone to run up my arse so that they pay to have it fixed.

If someone tailgates me and ends up having to pay to have my car fixed, who is the moron?

If you deliberately jump on your brakes to cause the idiot to run into the back of you, you may have some explaining to do.

I saw a dog moving to cross the road and I didn’t want to hit it … constable.

Maybe it was Mully’s brother seeking mully revenge.

Jim Jones said :

shadow boxer said :

If you really do what you said in your last paragraph you are clearly the biggest moron on our roads, funny thing is the morons can never see it but somehow I doubt you do it and you are just blowing smoke on the internet.

I can assure you that my car is a piece of sh1t with some damage to the rear end and I’m just aching for someone to run up my arse so that they pay to have it fixed.

If someone tailgates me and ends up having to pay to have my car fixed, who is the moron?

If you deliberately jump on your brakes to cause the idiot to run into the back of you, you may have some explaining to do.

shadow boxer said :

If you really do what you said in your last paragraph you are clearly the biggest moron on our roads, funny thing is the morons can never see it but somehow I doubt you do it and you are just blowing smoke on the internet.

I can assure you that my car is a piece of sh1t with some damage to the rear end and I’m just aching for someone to run up my arse so that they pay to have it fixed.

If someone tailgates me and ends up having to pay to have my car fixed, who is the moron?

p1 said :

He he, that’s tops. You might find this also suitable.

I’d contemplate installing one of those square hitches to the back of my car just in order to put that on it! Fantastic!

Rangi said :

For all those paranoid about tailgating take a look at this

http://cars.failblog.org/2010/11/16/funny-car-photos-tailgating-deterrent-redux/comment-page-1/

He he, that’s tops. You might find this also suitable.

When I was in Sydney I was the passenger in the car and some dudes in a ute thought it would be hilarious to tailgate us. I turned around with my phone and when they saw me taking pictures they quickly backed off with absolute shock written all over their faces. They actually stayed at a safe distance and overtook when it was safe. No one got hurt. It just goes to show that the threat of ending up on YouTube is much more powerful than calling the police!

Holden Caulfield3:33 pm 18 Nov 10

vg said :

A guy gets out of a car with a hammer responding to someone flashing their headlights and people think the headlight flasher is in the wrong or somehow brought it upon themselves?

If said man got out of his car with a hammer, walking towards, say, an unmarked Police car, what do you think might have been produced from within that car in response?

A donut?

PBO said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I call shenanigans on this – it is a clear attempte to stop Steve Tucker being the November runner up for the Mully.

This is an outrageous abuse of process and I sincerely hope that the ACTTAB puts a hold on all Mully Cup bets until it is thoroughly investigated.

A car, driven eratically by an ethnic stereotype, advertising a company that does not exist – a cunnning ploy my friend but I think you should be disqualified.

Steve tucker should get his very own award: The Annual “do stupid things whilst still loved up from the weekend award”.

As for “BatLeb”, he needs to be run off the road.

With or without performance enhancing drugs (i.e. ecstacy)?

shadow boxer3:13 pm 18 Nov 10

Amanda Hugankis said :

Australian Road Rules state:

126 Keeping a safe distance behind vehicles
A driver must drive a sufficient distance behind a vehicle travelling in front of the driver so the driver can, if necessary, stop safely to avoid a collision with the vehicle.

144 Keeping a safe distance when overtaking
A driver overtaking a vehicle:
(a) must pass the vehicle at a sufficient distance to avoid a collision with the vehicle or obstructing the path of the vehicle; and
(b) must not return to the marked lane or line of traffic where the vehicle is travelling until the driver is a sufficient distance past the vehicle to avoid a collision with the vehicle or obstructing the path of the vehicle.

218 Using headlights on high-beam
(1) The driver of a vehicle must not use the vehicle’s headlights on high-beam, or allow the vehicle’s headlights to be used on high-beam, if the driver is driving:
(a) less than 200 metres behind a vehicle travelling in the same direction as the driver; or
(b) less than 200 metres from an oncoming vehicle.

There is nothing in the Australian Road Rules about exiting your car at the lights, approaching another vehicle and threatening the occupants with a hammer. However, if proof was required that yellow lancer guy did so, we have already had a Rioter come forward in this thread stating that they witnessed this happening to the OP. The light flicking and the cutting off was hardly the point of the post in the first place.

The closest thing I could find that compares the severity of behaviours we’re talking about was document released by the Centre for Accident Research and Road Safety in QLD who divide aggressive driving behaviours into ‘minor’ and ‘severe’. They would classify ‘flicking lights on and off to get other drivers to move out of the way’ as ‘minor’, and it is the same for ‘braking or slowing suddenly’. They classify ‘pursuing another vehicle’, ‘swerving in front of another vehicle’ and ‘getting out and approaching another road user’ and ‘severe’.

In addition to a lot of other information about ‘aggressive’ driving (it makes the distinction between ‘aggressive’ and ‘road rage’), it recommends that you try not to react when being menaced by another driver, and that getting angry at the other driver may make you feel worse. It also recommends that you be aware of the consequences for the person you are harassing, and do not exit the car or carry a weapon of any sort.

It could be argued, as some here are trying to do, that the OP was in the wrong also (see above). But I would say that anyone you approach – be they Joe/Joanne Citizen, police, black, white, brown, etc. – when presented with the two stated behaviours of the drivers in this thread and asked to rate which was more threatening and possibly dangerous (regardless of what the law says) – they would say that tailgating, cutting off another vehicle and then exiting the car and approaching another driver carrying a hammer is far more dangerous than flicking your lights at another vehicle. Its just common sense.

Good post, agree entirely

Amanda Hugankis3:03 pm 18 Nov 10

PBO said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I call shenanigans on this – it is a clear attempte to stop Steve Tucker being the November runner up for the Mully.

This is an outrageous abuse of process and I sincerely hope that the ACTTAB puts a hold on all Mully Cup bets until it is thoroughly investigated.

A car, driven eratically by an ethnic stereotype, advertising a company that does not exist – a cunnning ploy my friend but I think you should be disqualified.

Steve tucker should get his very own award: The Annual “do stupid things whilst still loved up from the weekend award”.

As for “BatLeb”, he needs to be run off the road.

Tucker got national media for his lovelornedness emailscapades.
Someone had to say ‘stop … Hammer time’.

Word.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I call shenanigans on this – it is a clear attempte to stop Steve Tucker being the November runner up for the Mully.

This is an outrageous abuse of process and I sincerely hope that the ACTTAB puts a hold on all Mully Cup bets until it is thoroughly investigated.

A car, driven eratically by an ethnic stereotype, advertising a company that does not exist – a cunnning ploy my friend but I think you should be disqualified.

Steve tucker should get his very own award: The Annual “do stupid things whilst still loved up from the weekend award”.

As for “BatLeb”, he needs to be run off the road.

colourful sydney racing identity2:29 pm 18 Nov 10

I call shenanigans on this – it is a clear attempte to stop Steve Tucker being the November runner up for the Mully.

This is an outrageous abuse of process and I sincerely hope that the ACTTAB puts a hold on all Mully Cup bets until it is thoroughly investigated.

A car, driven eratically by an ethnic stereotype, advertising a company that does not exist – a cunnning ploy my friend but I think you should be disqualified.

Amanda Hugankis2:00 pm 18 Nov 10

Australian Road Rules state:

126 Keeping a safe distance behind vehicles
A driver must drive a sufficient distance behind a vehicle travelling in front of the driver so the driver can, if necessary, stop safely to avoid a collision with the vehicle.

144 Keeping a safe distance when overtaking
A driver overtaking a vehicle:
(a) must pass the vehicle at a sufficient distance to avoid a collision with the vehicle or obstructing the path of the vehicle; and
(b) must not return to the marked lane or line of traffic where the vehicle is travelling until the driver is a sufficient distance past the vehicle to avoid a collision with the vehicle or obstructing the path of the vehicle.

218 Using headlights on high-beam
(1) The driver of a vehicle must not use the vehicle’s headlights on high-beam, or allow the vehicle’s headlights to be used on high-beam, if the driver is driving:
(a) less than 200 metres behind a vehicle travelling in the same direction as the driver; or
(b) less than 200 metres from an oncoming vehicle.

There is nothing in the Australian Road Rules about exiting your car at the lights, approaching another vehicle and threatening the occupants with a hammer. However, if proof was required that yellow lancer guy did so, we have already had a Rioter come forward in this thread stating that they witnessed this happening to the OP. The light flicking and the cutting off was hardly the point of the post in the first place.

The closest thing I could find that compares the severity of behaviours we’re talking about was document released by the Centre for Accident Research and Road Safety in QLD who divide aggressive driving behaviours into ‘minor’ and ‘severe’. They would classify ‘flicking lights on and off to get other drivers to move out of the way’ as ‘minor’, and it is the same for ‘braking or slowing suddenly’. They classify ‘pursuing another vehicle’, ‘swerving in front of another vehicle’ and ‘getting out and approaching another road user’ and ‘severe’.

In addition to a lot of other information about ‘aggressive’ driving (it makes the distinction between ‘aggressive’ and ‘road rage’), it recommends that you try not to react when being menaced by another driver, and that getting angry at the other driver may make you feel worse. It also recommends that you be aware of the consequences for the person you are harassing, and do not exit the car or carry a weapon of any sort.

It could be argued, as some here are trying to do, that the OP was in the wrong also (see above). But I would say that anyone you approach – be they Joe/Joanne Citizen, police, black, white, brown, etc. – when presented with the two stated behaviours of the drivers in this thread and asked to rate which was more threatening and possibly dangerous (regardless of what the law says) – they would say that tailgating, cutting off another vehicle and then exiting the car and approaching another driver carrying a hammer is far more dangerous than flicking your lights at another vehicle. Its just common sense.

colourful sydney racing identity1:40 pm 18 Nov 10

I am a bit surprised that ‘So Seductive Car Detailing’ does not register any hits, except this website…strange, heh?

This conversation just completely baffles my mind!!! I just don’t get where some of you have taken the issue. After being aggressively tailgated and cut off by some jerk in a souped up car, OP in the simple action of flashing his headlights earned the threat of being hit with a hammer????? The independent witness whose car was just behind OP backs his every claim about HammerMan driving stupidly and dangerously, and yet, OP asked for it?? By “aggressively” flashing his headlights, is it??

We’re meant to just let idiots rule the road are we?

Furthermore, let’s not focus on the fact that HammerMan was wielding a weapon menacingly and dangerously (let’s admit it, nobody’s gonna grab his hammer out of the car, approach a stranger with it in morning traffic, and kindly ask if he’d like some body work done?)… Let’s rather focus on the fact that regardless of what went down, that OP described him as being of “middle-eastern” appearance. That’s the shocking part about the entire story. How dare you BMan?!?!

Erg0 said :

Addendum: In fact, I’d say that by far the most vilified group on this site is the white Australian bogan.

You forgot orange women but well said.

Interesting point: are bogans exclusively white? Obviously not, but I admit that whenever I hear the word ‘bogan’, I only think of white people.

georgesgenitals12:16 pm 18 Nov 10

Spideydog said :

facet said :

Thank you Spideydog for confirming my opinion. It is also clear that police are ineffective in addressing the issue road rage. So I guess its roll on Mad Max (aka road warrior).

Well they can actually, if you would like to quadruple your taxes, the government could place a police officer in the back seat of every car in Canberra … that will solve road rage, and all traffic offences …… hallelujah. No need to for speed camera’s

Hang on a tic – isn’t this the approach being taken by the government with the new liquor laws? Charge high fees and use the $$ to add more police to patrol known problem areas?

shadow boxer11:16 am 18 Nov 10

Jim Jones said :

shadow boxer said :

Jim Jones said :

shadow boxer said :

I fail to see why being tailgated needs any response at all, just go on your way,

You’re kidding right?

You don’t get why tailgating is dangerous?

Clearly it’s dangerous, but reacting in this way only makes it more dangerous. My point is people on here seem to think it is o.k. to police the roads themselves. Imagine if we all did that flashing lights and abusing people for every road rule infraction we came across.

That’s what we have speed camera’s for…….oh wait

Okay – to start with, you need to visit this link: http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Apostrophes

Secondly, no-one was suggesting that it’s okay to ‘police the road themselves’. The OP gave a very simple signal that the other driver was driving dangerously, how this can be construed as ‘dangerous’ is well beyond my limited comprehension.

If you’re suggesting that you shouldn’t signal your recognition the fact that someone is driving extremely dangerously because you might be attacked with a hammer, on the other hand. Is this really how you want to live your life? Keeping quiet about people acting like assholes because you’re afraid?

If someone offers you a shit-sandwich, you don’t *have* to smile and eat it.

When people tailgate me and act like pushy assholes, I slam on my brakes and see if I can get them to run up my arse. My car is a piece of crap and I’d love to have some aggressive retard pay for repairs to some of the pre-existing damage on the back end.

Well flashing headlights in a built up area is;

a. clearly illegal; and
b. clearly dangerous to oncoming traffic, hence it being illegal.

While tailgating is somewhat subjective and relies on an interpretation of “safe distance to stop”, something the average road user can not possibly be enforcing and is best left to the police.

If you really do what you said in your last paragraph you are clearly the biggest moron on our roads, funny thing is the morons can never see it but somehow I doubt you do it and you are just blowing smoke on the internet.

Addendum: In fact, I’d say that by far the most vilified group on this site is the white Australian bogan.

canbe said :

What possible value does it serve to mention the percieved ethnicity of the alleged offender on a blog post?! Except perhaps to villify an enthnic group of people that are already regularly and systematially villified via our commercial, sensationalist media and through poor government policy and rhetoric.

Sure, when asked by the police, tell them what you saw. But it serves no positive purpose in a public forum, but is in fact socially destructive.

I think a bit of Ice Cube is called for here to all you pro-ethnic profilers: “You better check yo self before you wreck yo self”.

I understand where you’re coming from, but I’d prefer if you gave us a little more credit instead of assuming that we’re all hollering rednecks who think that everyone of middle eastern appearance is a criminal or a terrorist. Despite the occasional bit of ethnic humour, there’s no real racism on the site that I’ve noticed.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Diggety said :

If the police are unable to hunt down every accused ‘road rager’, then maybe the next best thing- which I’m sure the police do unofficially- is watch for repeat accusations of a vehicle and are more likely to pursue it in future.

On describing offender appearance, of course it is relevant, the owner of the car is not always the one driving it.

Yes, it is relevant to the police, but not to the wider community.

PC has gone mad …… In describing an alleged offender you can describe everything, but don’t dare describe their possible race

Far out, free speech but only if it confirms !!!

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Diggety said :

If the police are unable to hunt down every accused ‘road rager’, then maybe the next best thing- which I’m sure the police do unofficially- is watch for repeat accusations of a vehicle and are more likely to pursue it in future.

On describing offender appearance, of course it is relevant, the owner of the car is not always the one driving it.

Yes, it is relevant to the police, but not to the wider community.

By that logic, then neither is the whole post.

colourful sydney racing identity10:14 am 18 Nov 10

Diggety said :

If the police are unable to hunt down every accused ‘road rager’, then maybe the next best thing- which I’m sure the police do unofficially- is watch for repeat accusations of a vehicle and are more likely to pursue it in future.

On describing offender appearance, of course it is relevant, the owner of the car is not always the one driving it.

Yes, it is relevant to the police, but not to the wider community.

If the police are unable to hunt down every accused ‘road rager’, then maybe the next best thing- which I’m sure the police do unofficially- is watch for repeat accusations of a vehicle and are more likely to pursue it in future.

On describing offender appearance, of course it is relevant, the owner of the car is not always the one driving it.

johnboy said :

In the absence of traffic police the more community feedback people can give on others’ driving the better IMHO.

+1

If we don’t let the morons know they are morons, how will they find out?

shadow boxer said :

Jim Jones said :

shadow boxer said :

I fail to see why being tailgated needs any response at all, just go on your way,

You’re kidding right?

You don’t get why tailgating is dangerous?

Clearly it’s dangerous, but reacting in this way only makes it more dangerous. My point is people on here seem to think it is o.k. to police the roads themselves. Imagine if we all did that flashing lights and abusing people for every road rule infraction we came across.

That’s what we have speed camera’s for…….oh wait

Okay – to start with, you need to visit this link: http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Apostrophes

Secondly, no-one was suggesting that it’s okay to ‘police the road themselves’. The OP gave a very simple signal that the other driver was driving dangerously, how this can be construed as ‘dangerous’ is well beyond my limited comprehension.

If you’re suggesting that you shouldn’t signal your recognition the fact that someone is driving extremely dangerously because you might be attacked with a hammer, on the other hand. Is this really how you want to live your life? Keeping quiet about people acting like assholes because you’re afraid?

If someone offers you a shit-sandwich, you don’t *have* to smile and eat it.

When people tailgate me and act like pushy assholes, I slam on my brakes and see if I can get them to run up my arse. My car is a piece of crap and I’d love to have some aggressive retard pay for repairs to some of the pre-existing damage on the back end.

A guy gets out of a car with a hammer responding to someone flashing their headlights and people think the headlight flasher is in the wrong or somehow brought it upon themselves?

Some people obviously lack mirrors in their homes. On what planet does the flashing of headlights involve the proportionate response of getting out of a car with a hammer?

The guy was of middle-Eastern appearance. I’m caucasian, of anglo-saxon appearance. I can live with people describing me that way, as my ethnicity demands that description.

When you’ve spent a few years at the pointy end of violence you discover some of life’s realities. Some of the commentators here need to experience life away from a computer screen.

If said man got out of his car with a hammer, walking towards, say, an unmarked Police car, what do you think might have been produced from within that car in response?

Amanda Hugankis9:05 am 18 Nov 10

shadow boxer said :

@ Amanda hugankiss

Where to start, tailgating doesn’t interfere with anyone, just move on with your day. If you do feel threatened the last thing you should be doing is escalating the situation through drving slower or flashing lights.

It’s not a drivers job to police the roads flashing lights at everyones behaviour you don’t like.

Report it if you must but I dare say if the lights hadn’t been flicked none of this would have happened.

Lights and horns should be reserved for their proper use, as the rules of the road outline.

Reading back over everything, I guess you’re right. The OP really bought the tailgating, the cutoff and then the hammer wielding on themselves. Its clear that the poor fella in the yellow Lancer was just minding his own business until he had some lights flicked at him – & thinking about it, I’d be cranky if some one did that to me too.

I can completely understand why he got out of the car and threatened the OP with a hammer – some days you just gotta dish out your own form of justice and teach people that flicking your lights is purile, immature and pointless. Some might say that approaching their car, carrying a hammer to indicate that you are serious about having been upset, is a little too subtle, but hey, you don’t want to risk the situation turning getting out of control – especially when you’re dealing with someone who flicks their lights at you … you don’t know what might happen next!

I for one am glad that people like YellowLancerHammerMan are out there letting other drivers know this light flicking business won’t be tolerated! Don’t even get me started on the driving slower business!!!

shadow boxer8:46 am 18 Nov 10

Jim Jones said :

shadow boxer said :

I fail to see why being tailgated needs any response at all, just go on your way,

You’re kidding right?

You don’t get why tailgating is dangerous?

Clearly it’s dangerous, but reacting in this way only makes it more dangerous. My point is people on here seem to think it is o.k. to police the roads themselves. Imagine if we all did that flashing lights and abusing people for every road rule infraction we came across.

That’s what we have speed camera’s for…….oh wait

In the absence of traffic police the more community feedback people can give on others’ driving the better IMHO.

shadow boxer8:42 am 18 Nov 10

Jethro said :

shadow boxer said :

@ Amanda hugankiss

Where to start, tailgating doesn’t interfere with anyone, just move on with your day.

Lights and horns should be reserved for their proper use, as the rules of the road outline.

What an absolute load of crap. Tailgating is an aggressive and dangerous form of driving deliberately done to influence another driver’s behaviour. It significantly increases the chance of an accident, not only because the tailgater won’t have time to stop in an emergency, but because it can cause the person being tailgated to react in a sudden or unexpected manner (changing lanes without checking carefully enough, for example).

Flashing your lights at a tailgater is probably not the best solution, since it’s not going to achieve anything, but is far less of a breach of road rules than tailgating.

As far as I’m concerned people who aggressively and deliberately tailgate (some of whom do things such as speed up and slow down simply so they can speed up towards you again) should be charged with assault, since if you were to threaten people with a weapon in this way that is what charge you would be facing.

ROFL, get a life dude….

If people choose to antagonise tailgaters in your role as road cop, don’t come on here whinging. The police must have a good laugh after the OP leaves.

I’m still curious what reaction was expected, yellow car to stop, walk over admit he was a moron and apologise profusely before heading off to slow down in front of any other tailgetaers he comes across.

Vincent Vega said :

You suggest that one should not lodge a complaint with the police unless you are certain that you have an independent witness.

Vinny, I think you may have missed the point of some posts. I don’t think anyone is suggesting people don’t report crime, but a number of posts here are trying to point out the difficulties Police face in getting matters to Court in this town. Police can only go as far as the evidence they have allows them. Can you imagine the costs to the community if Police were sending matters to court they know would fail? Not to mention the (further) backlog this would create.

It seems clear to me facet has experienced a traumatic event which was correctly reported to Police. The matter was unable to proceed for a reason which is still not clear to us (all I’ve read is they weren’t interested) and, perhaps believing these matters can be solved in one episode as per city homicide etc, thinks Police are not capable. I would like to know if facet had the presence of mind to ask why the matter didn’t proceed and what response was given. There seem to be many posts here that try to suggest why this occurred, but if facet took the same attitude to Police as has been afforded to these suggestions, it’s no wonder he has no clue and seems intent on not wanting to get a clue. I guess some people can’t help themselves from themselves.

peterh said :

Tooks said :

facet said :

Spideydog said
“So there you go, you have added more detail to your story and things look very different to your original post. From what you have stated here, there is little Police could do.”

In my original post I agreed with another contributor that it was a waste of time going to the ACT Police.

Thank you Spideydog for confirming my opinion. It is also clear that police are ineffective in addressing the issue road rage. So I guess its roll on Mad Max (aka road warrior).

What evidence did you present them with exactly? A partial numberplate? Ok. Witness/s? How did you track him down?. Doesn’t exactly sound like a strong brief of evidence to me. Am I missing something?

How could the police prove this assault beyond a reasonable doubt? Serious questions – not being facetious.

perhaps, in the first instance, the police could give him a call on the number that he displays to all in public – not an invasion of privacy if it is visible, is it? about his side of the story. always two sides, but it seems that there is a distinct lack of opinion from the other party in this story. re the detailing company, I doubt that it is registered with an ABN – what is the legality of advertising a company that doesn’t exist?

We were actually talking about facet’s story, not the OP.

How could the police prove this assault beyond a reasonable doubt? Serious questions – not being facetious.

Don’t the Police have options short of formal charges? Like paying him a visit, asking him about the incident and advising him to cool it in future? Those natty uniforms do still carry some gravitas and authority, you know.

Vincent Vega said :

All crime should be reported. If it is word against word, should it go to court, it is up to the judge to decide the veracity of each side’s argument.

The criminal court is not “Judge Judy civil court” m8 The burden of proof is a tad bit more, so yeah, word against word (without supporting evidence) is not really going to cut it.

facet said :

Thank you Spideydog for confirming my opinion. It is also clear that police are ineffective in addressing the issue road rage. So I guess its roll on Mad Max (aka road warrior).

Well they can actually, if you would like to quadruple your taxes, the government could place a police officer in the back seat of every car in Canberra … that will solve road rage, and all traffic offences …… hallelujah. No need to for speed camera’s

Donut consumption would go through the roof though !

Vincent Vega said :

Pending you answering the 2 questions I asked above, you come across as a person that expects the Police to move the world for you, with no EVIDENCE to progress the matter. Police require evidence to put a matter before the court. MOST road rage incidents are “one persons word against the other” When Police have to prove a case BEYOND ALL REASONABLE DOUBT, this makes it difficult, and thats being generous …….

What a load of tripe. I don’t normally post here but this goes beyond the pale.

You suggest that one should not lodge a complaint with the police unless you are certain that you have an independent witness.

So if someone approaches your car and swings at you with a hammer — independent witness or not — you should not report it?

So you are suggesting that the police receiving 62 complaints that someone in a yellow Lancer with the same license plate and the same description– without an independent witness to verify — should not warrant an investigation?

Where exactly did I suggest NOT to report an incident? NOWHERE. Maybe you should carefully read what has been written before shooting from the hip and looking a wee bit silly.

My point was some people get on here and go on about Police inaction and incompetence in relation to reported “road rage” incident were the incident involves “one word against the other” and no independent witnesses AND then expecting that person to be locked up and thrown before the court. I was pointing out WHAT it takes to have a matter put before the court.

At no time was I ever suggesting that these matters should not be reported and I totally agree that all incidents should be reported so that at the very least, Police are aware of what/where/when is happening out there.

Vincent Vega said :

Constructive criticism is appreciated in all professions as far as I know. Being an apologist for bad policing does a disservice to the priviledged position the police force holds in our community.

I have no problem with people having issues with policing and voicing those on whatever forum, but if that criticism comes across as baseless or they don’t give the “full story” and just have a dig because they dislike police, I will voice my opinion. I am entitled as everyone else is …. Yes?

Policing is not perfect and there are times where members may act unprofessionally and that is totally unacceptable. You want to talk about “constructive criticism” I count constructive criticism when the FULL version of events are presented. Some anonymous person posting a vague gripe about Police I don’t see as constructive criticism…….

Vincent Vega said :

You sound like a wannabe cop who just keeps missing out on the intake and is incredibly bitter about it.

Bah hahahaha ….. okey dokey then 🙂

Your whole post has been totally off tangent on what I had said. Your whole argument had nothing to do with what I ACTUALLY said and therefore a total waste of time. I agree with most of what you had to say !!!!!

Tooks said :

facet said :

Spideydog said
“So there you go, you have added more detail to your story and things look very different to your original post. From what you have stated here, there is little Police could do.”

In my original post I agreed with another contributor that it was a waste of time going to the ACT Police.

Thank you Spideydog for confirming my opinion. It is also clear that police are ineffective in addressing the issue road rage. So I guess its roll on Mad Max (aka road warrior).

What evidence did you present them with exactly? A partial numberplate? Ok. Witness/s? How did you track him down?. Doesn’t exactly sound like a strong brief of evidence to me. Am I missing something?

How could the police prove this assault beyond a reasonable doubt? Serious questions – not being facetious.

perhaps, in the first instance, the police could give him a call on the number that he displays to all in public – not an invasion of privacy if it is visible, is it? about his side of the story. always two sides, but it seems that there is a distinct lack of opinion from the other party in this story. re the detailing company, I doubt that it is registered with an ABN – what is the legality of advertising a company that doesn’t exist?

bigred said :

“but we are targeting mobile phone use while driving this month, please ring back when we decide {insert specific bad behaviour} is the flavour of the month. Now will you please let me return to donuts and coffee?”

Fishing much?

“but we are targeting mobile phone use while driving this month, please ring back when we decide {insert specific bad behaviour} is the flavour of the month. Now will you please let me return to donuts and coffee?”

facet said :

Spideydog said
“So there you go, you have added more detail to your story and things look very different to your original post. From what you have stated here, there is little Police could do.”

In my original post I agreed with another contributor that it was a waste of time going to the ACT Police.

Thank you Spideydog for confirming my opinion. It is also clear that police are ineffective in addressing the issue road rage. So I guess its roll on Mad Max (aka road warrior).

What evidence did you present them with exactly? A partial numberplate? Ok. Witness/s? How did you track him down?. Doesn’t exactly sound like a strong brief of evidence to me. Am I missing something?

How could the police prove this assault beyond a reasonable doubt? Serious questions – not being facetious.

Spideydog said
“So there you go, you have added more detail to your story and things look very different to your original post. From what you have stated here, there is little Police could do.”

In my original post I agreed with another contributor that it was a waste of time going to the ACT Police.

Thank you Spideydog for confirming my opinion. It is also clear that police are ineffective in addressing the issue road rage. So I guess its roll on Mad Max (aka road warrior).

Vincent Vega9:59 pm 17 Nov 10

Pending you answering the 2 questions I asked above, you come across as a person that expects the Police to move the world for you, with no EVIDENCE to progress the matter. Police require evidence to put a matter before the court. MOST road rage incidents are “one persons word against the other” When Police have to prove a case BEYOND ALL REASONABLE DOUBT, this makes it difficult, and thats being generous …….

What a load of tripe. I don’t normally post here but this goes beyond the pale.

You suggest that one should not lodge a complaint with the police unless you are certain that you have an independent witness.

So if someone approaches your car and swings at you with a hammer — independent witness or not — you should not report it?

So you are suggesting that the police receiving 62 complaints that someone in a yellow Lancer with the same license plate and the same description– without an independent witness to verify — should not warrant an investigation?

Police needs complaints to identify a pattern. For no other reason it is important we all report criminal activity.

What do you say to a rape victim? A crime where normally it’s word against word. Don’t bother unless you have an independent witness?

All crime should be reported. If it is word against word, should it go to court, it is up to the judge to decide the veracity of each side’s argument.

You sound like a wannabe cop who just keeps missing out on the intake and is incredibly bitter about it.

Constructive criticism is appreciated in all professions as far as I know. Being an apologist for bad policing does a disservice to the priviledged position the police force holds in our community.

So to sum up for you Bman, he was a dickhead, but clearly you were asking for it because you dared to be on the road at the same time he/she/it needed to be somewhere in a hurry.

In future, give your description as a human driving a car somewhere in Australia.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Tooks said :

So he can describe the car, but describing the offender is out of bounds?

Describing his appearance is as relevant as stating the alleged offenders starsign

So that when he does a runner and leaves the vehicle, we can say we don’t know what he looks like but he drove a yellow lancer…

Spideydog said :

Erg0 said :

facet said :

I was assaulted in a road rage incident I reported it to the police and tracked down the guy. The police were not interested, I was told there is no such offence as “road rage”.

That’s like saying that someone who assaulted you in a bar wasn’t charged because there’s no such offence as “bar fighting”. Either it’s assault or it’s not, the fact that it happened on a road is irrelevant. Can’t comment on your specific case, obviously, but this reasoning seems spurious.

I would suggest the conversation wasn’t as simplistic as that.

Good to see the tradition of verbaling is still alive and well in what passes for an ACT Police force

facet said :

Tooks said :

facet said :

merlin bodega said :

Disposable said :

What did the police say when you reported it?

When I reported a similar incident to police that occurred in about the same place they said it was just my word against the other driver. With a witness I guess it is just your words against the other driver.

Don’t waste your time.

Agree, I was assaulted in a road rage incident I reported it to the police and tracked down the guy. The police were not interested, I was told there is no such offence as “road rage”.
During the attack, this idiot boasted that he had “sorted several other people out”, no doubt he is still out there enjoying himself.
ACT federal police are a waste of money, we need our own police force and not these Commonwealth clowns.

There is no such offence as road rage. What actually happened?

I took too long turning into traffic and this guy jumps out of his car with a big lump of wood and I wind down the window (I know dumb) he wacked me through the open window and smashed into the car. I got a partial number plate and called 000. Their advice was to chase the car and get the rest of the number plate (no thanks). I would not have reported it but this guy is seriously out of control. Police turn up, take down details and suggest I seek counseling for post traumatic stress. I later track down the guy and try to pass on details to Belconnen police they treat me as a time waster.
I refuse to be a helpless victim and I now carry a weapon in the car which I intend to use next time. This is how violence escalates in our community because police will not do their job.
Wonder if the Narrabundah tyre slasher does contract work?

So there you go, you have added more detail to your story and things look very different to your original post. From what you have stated here, there is little Police could do.

How did you LATER “identify” the alleged offender in that incident? Did you have an independent witness?

You state that Police won’t do their job, and yet the more detail you reveal about the matter, it increasingly shows that they did what they could?

Pending you answering the 2 questions I asked above, you come across as a person that expects the Police to move the world for you, with no EVIDENCE to progress the matter. Police require evidence to put a matter before the court. MOST road rage incidents are “one persons word against the other” When Police have to prove a case BEYOND ALL REASONABLE DOUBT, this makes it difficult, and thats being generous …….

“You better check yo self before you wreck yo self”.

Watch Due Date to see if that remark translates into the 21st century well

Spideydog said :

Jethro said :

Flashing your lights at a tailgater is probably not the best solution, since it’s not going to achieve anything, but is far less of a breach of road rules than tailgating.

Thats all well and good, but sometimes you have to be the better man (or woman) and NOT do something that a reasonable person would know, MAY send an idiot off the rails. Flashing your lights at a tailgater (that has obviously just passed you) is not going to achieve anything except the possibility of pissing off a fool, that has already shown they have no regard for other road users ….. food for thought

Hence, why I said it’s not the best idea.

I would like identified as Aussie looking. In truth I am pasty and white, I burn really easily and in some areas I’m just a blotchy kinda pink mixture of confusion. I got road raged in Hughes once. Scared the shit out of me but I wasn’t about to call the “Police”.

Captain RAAF7:25 pm 17 Nov 10

Maybe he was just a Blacksmith?

Erg0 said :

Spideydog said :

Erg0 said :

facet said :

I was assaulted in a road rage incident I reported it to the police and tracked down the guy. The police were not interested, I was told there is no such offence as “road rage”.

That’s like saying that someone who assaulted you in a bar wasn’t charged because there’s no such offence as “bar fighting”. Either it’s assault or it’s not, the fact that it happened on a road is irrelevant. Can’t comment on your specific case, obviously, but this reasoning seems spurious.

I would suggest the conversation wasn’t as simplistic as that.

I’m sure you’re right, I don’t mean to imply that it was the police whose reasoning was spurious.

:p

Jethro said :

Flashing your lights at a tailgater is probably not the best solution, since it’s not going to achieve anything, but is far less of a breach of road rules than tailgating.

Thats all well and good, but sometimes you have to be the better man (or woman) and NOT do something that a reasonable person would know, MAY send an idiot off the rails. Flashing your lights at a tailgater (that has obviously just passed you) is not going to achieve anything except the possibility of pissing off a fool, that has already shown they have no regard for other road users ….. food for thought

Postalgeek said :

canbe said :

So at what point would you stop describing someone? Is it okay to mention hair colour and eye colour, or would you put that in the same basket as skin colour? And of course you don’t want any gender discrimination by labelling their sex. And hopefully we’re enlightened enough not to notice they were in a wheel chair, or were a 4 foot dwarf.

I would pay good money to hear you try to describe the assailant who gives you a good smack to the side of the head for being too PC.

What possible value does it serve to mention the percieved ethnicity of the alleged offender on a blog post?! Except perhaps to villify an enthnic group of people that are already regularly and systematially villified via our commercial, sensationalist media and through poor government policy and rhetoric.

Sure, when asked by the police, tell them what you saw. But it serves no positive purpose in a public forum, but is in fact socially destructive.

I think a bit of Ice Cube is called for here to all you pro-ethnic profilers: “You better check yo self before you wreck yo self”.

Tooks said :

facet said :

merlin bodega said :

Disposable said :

What did the police say when you reported it?

When I reported a similar incident to police that occurred in about the same place they said it was just my word against the other driver. With a witness I guess it is just your words against the other driver.

Don’t waste your time.

Agree, I was assaulted in a road rage incident I reported it to the police and tracked down the guy. The police were not interested, I was told there is no such offence as “road rage”.
During the attack, this idiot boasted that he had “sorted several other people out”, no doubt he is still out there enjoying himself.
ACT federal police are a waste of money, we need our own police force and not these Commonwealth clowns.

There is no such offence as road rage. What actually happened?

I took too long turning into traffic and this guy jumps out of his car with a big lump of wood and I wind down the window (I know dumb) he wacked me through the open window and smashed into the car. I got a partial number plate and called 000. Their advice was to chase the car and get the rest of the number plate (no thanks). I would not have reported it but this guy is seriously out of control. Police turn up, take down details and suggest I seek counseling for post traumatic stress. I later track down the guy and try to pass on details to Belconnen police they treat me as a time waster.
I refuse to be a helpless victim and I now carry a weapon in the car which I intend to use next time. This is how violence escalates in our community because police will not do their job.
Wonder if the Narrabundah tyre slasher does contract work?

shadow boxer said :

@ Amanda hugankiss

Where to start, tailgating doesn’t interfere with anyone, just move on with your day

Let’s all play ‘pick the tailgater’.

LadyoftheLake5:02 pm 17 Nov 10

Gosh I must be inciting road rage all over town…. I flash my lights to let other drivers know that a speed camera is around the corner.

Waits for it….

shadow boxer said :

@ Amanda hugankiss

Where to start, tailgating doesn’t interfere with anyone, just move on with your day.

Lights and horns should be reserved for their proper use, as the rules of the road outline.

What an absolute load of crap. Tailgating is an aggressive and dangerous form of driving deliberately done to influence another driver’s behaviour. It significantly increases the chance of an accident, not only because the tailgater won’t have time to stop in an emergency, but because it can cause the person being tailgated to react in a sudden or unexpected manner (changing lanes without checking carefully enough, for example).

Flashing your lights at a tailgater is probably not the best solution, since it’s not going to achieve anything, but is far less of a breach of road rules than tailgating.

As far as I’m concerned people who aggressively and deliberately tailgate (some of whom do things such as speed up and slow down simply so they can speed up towards you again) should be charged with assault, since if you were to threaten people with a weapon in this way that is what charge you would be facing.

shadow boxer said :

@ Amanda hugankiss

Where to start, tailgating doesn’t interfere with anyone, just move on with your day. If you do feel threatened the last thing you should be doing is escalating the situation through drving slower or flashing lights.

It’s not a drivers job to police the roads flashing lights at everyones behaviour you don’t like.

Report it if you must but I dare say if the lights hadn’t been flicked none of this would have happened.

Lights and horns should be reserved for their proper use, as the rules of the road outline.

In my opinion, tailgating increases the danger (which is always present to so degree) I experience while driving. If I am placed in a situation where I feel that the level of danger I am in is greater then that I feel comfortable accepting, then I will take steps to reduce that danger. One of the easiest ways to do this is to slow down. Getting out of the way, turning a corner, or speeding up might also be valid answers to the problem. The danger imposed by psychotic road users is also something which I have to consider in my everyday assessment of my safety, but even if my actions might annoy a tailgater, I would not normally rate the chances of being threatened with a hammer as high.

Likewise, if I witness something which I think that other road users should be aware of, I signal to them in what I think is appropriate means. If a person is tailgating like a moron, then the fact that they are a moron clearly needs to be bought to their attention as quickly as possible.

shadow boxer4:31 pm 17 Nov 10

@ Amanda hugankiss

Where to start, tailgating doesn’t interfere with anyone, just move on with your day. If you do feel threatened the last thing you should be doing is escalating the situation through drving slower or flashing lights.

It’s not a drivers job to police the roads flashing lights at everyones behaviour you don’t like.

Report it if you must but I dare say if the lights hadn’t been flicked none of this would have happened.

Lights and horns should be reserved for their proper use, as the rules of the road outline.

Next time, get out of the car and walk well away, and engage the middle eastern male approximately 18-22 years of age and of slight build humanoid life form in polite conversation.

While you do this, have your passenger quietly get in their car and drive off. If they have taken the keys from the ignition, just put it in neutral and roll it away.

At this point I suspect they will be too busy to engage in further conflict.

Amanda Hugankis2:45 pm 17 Nov 10

shadow boxer said :

Amanda Hugankis said :

ConanOfCooma said :

shadow boxer said :

To the original poster, i’m curious.

What reaction did you expect when you when you flashed the lights at him ?

At first I was like… But then I realised what you were saying.

I have to agree, TBH. Excluding the “reaction” involving a hammer. But considering he’s middle eatern, you’re probably lucky his six cousins didn’t also jump out of the car and stab you to death in time to some terrible doof song.

Just curious – what do reaction do people expect to get when they tailgate others and then cut them off?

I would suggest no reaction at all … they are serving you up a shit sandwich and they expect you to say ‘thankyou’, eat the sandwich and don’t leave any crusts!

I fail to see why being tailgated needs any response at all, just go on your way,

Being cut off is different but if he had been stuck behind someone like Ian who finds it amusing to hold up tailgaters by driving slower expect an angry driver to be cutting you off.

At the end of the day flashing your lights seems a bit childish and the vehicular equivalent of giving the finger, you can do it, but in this day and age the results can be unpredictable.

Tailgating is a form of interfering with other drivers on the road, and often (allowing for some that do it mindlessly and without intent) done to try and make the driver in front feel threatened enough that they get out of the tailgater’s way. When people feel threatened, they often feel angry, a natural thing to do when you’re feeling like someone has/is threatening you is to signal your displeasure somehow – e.g.: flicking your lights.

Why does HammerTime need to tailgate at all? Probably because he thinks he can and believes that no one can tell him not to. When someone does tell him – flicking lights, flicking the finger, poking your tongue out at them at the next red light – why can’t he just suck it up?!

Anyway – he started it …

p1 said :

Postalgeek said :

So at what point would you stop describing someone? Is it okay to mention hair colour and eye colour, or would you put that in the same basket as skin colour? And of course you don’t want any gender discrimination by labelling their sex. And hopefully we’re enlightened enough not to notice they were in a wheel chair, or were a 4 foot dwarf.

bman said :

…and would have been 18-22 and of slight build…

The OP also promoted ageism by linking young people to crime, and encouraged poor body image with reference to the slight build. Oh, and think of how the car feels after being labelled “yellow”.

+1

I think what the OP failed to do was identify the middle eastern religious and political faction the young man belongs too. I believe it makes a big difference to how dangerous he is……… that and the hammer in his hand.

I have no idea why you would draw attention to yourself when you have the family in the car. Not very smart.

Postalgeek said :

I would pay good money to hear you try to describe the assailant who gives you a good smack to the side of the head for being too PC.

And I would pay good money to see that.

shadow boxer said :

I fail to see why being tailgated needs any response at all, just go on your way,

You’re kidding right?

You don’t get why tailgating is dangerous?

bitzermaloney1:41 pm 17 Nov 10

Erg0 said :

You’re right, he should have said IC6.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC_codes

Interesting… there’s no reference to indigenousAustralians, Pacific Islanders, South Americans, indigenous North Americans or Central Asians. And since when were Africans and Caribbean people the same?

Maybe they are all IC0 “origins unknowns” or IC7 (aliens). Given it’s UK origins, IC7 is probably reserved for the Irish & French

georgesgenitals1:12 pm 17 Nov 10

Describing someone or something of a certain appearance is exactly that: a description. If someone else wants to read something else into it, that’s their problem.

“It was a YELLOW car?!?!? What, so now your saying ALL yellow cars have a problem. You’re colourist!”

Postalgeek said :

So at what point would you stop describing someone? Is it okay to mention hair colour and eye colour, or would you put that in the same basket as skin colour? And of course you don’t want any gender discrimination by labelling their sex. And hopefully we’re enlightened enough not to notice they were in a wheel chair, or were a 4 foot dwarf.

bman said :

…and would have been 18-22 and of slight build…

The OP also promoted ageism by linking young people to crime, and encouraged poor body image with reference to the slight build. Oh, and think of how the car feels after being labelled “yellow”.

georgesgenitals12:54 pm 17 Nov 10

PBO said :

Ian said :

Solidarity said :

Personally I think damaging his car is a bit of a dog act, why not confront the guy mano a mano?

Oh yeah … young middle eastern appearance guy, quite likely to carry a knife, or get a few of his drug dealing mates to join in.

(Stereotyping is fun, it makes things so much easier.)

It’s not stereotyping or racist if it is true……..

Exactly. How does a cliche become a cliche?

No-one’s saying all middle eastern appearance guys are like that. But in that age group, I’ve seen quite a few who are.

johnboy said :

It’s a legitimate part of storytelling,

Deal with it.

Here! Here!

colourful sydney racing identity12:46 pm 17 Nov 10

Postalgeek said :

canbe said :

Of Middle Eastern apperance?

If he looked like Jason Donovan or Paul Hogan would you have said he was of British stock?

You only expose your own ignorance and bigotry and that the attack may have been warranted.

So at what point would you stop describing someone? Is it okay to mention hair colour and eye colour, or would you put that in the same basket as skin colour? And of course you don’t want any gender discrimination by labelling their sex. And hopefully we’re enlightened enough not to notice they were in a wheel chair, or were a 4 foot dwarf.

I would pay good money to hear you try to describe the assailant who gives you a good smack to the side of the head for being too PC.

the flip side is at what point is it appropriate on an internet forum to start describing someone:

eg: would OP have stated ‘He was of Anglo Australian appearance and would have been 18-22 and of slight build.’ Probably not.

I have no problem with ‘middle eastern appearance’ or simlar terms being used by police when they are looking for someone, BUT, to use it on an internet forum reagrding an incident whih may well not have happenned strikes me as nothing more than dog whistling.

And it worked – prompting the lovely post ‘But considering he’s middle eatern, you’re probably lucky his six cousins didn’t also jump out of the car and stab you to death in time to some terrible doof song’

Spideydog said :

Erg0 said :

facet said :

I was assaulted in a road rage incident I reported it to the police and tracked down the guy. The police were not interested, I was told there is no such offence as “road rage”.

That’s like saying that someone who assaulted you in a bar wasn’t charged because there’s no such offence as “bar fighting”. Either it’s assault or it’s not, the fact that it happened on a road is irrelevant. Can’t comment on your specific case, obviously, but this reasoning seems spurious.

I would suggest the conversation wasn’t as simplistic as that.

I’m sure you’re right, I don’t mean to imply that it was the police whose reasoning was spurious.

canbe said :

Of Middle Eastern apperance?

If he looked like Jason Donovan or Paul Hogan would you have said he was of British stock?

You only expose your own ignorance and bigotry and that the attack may have been warranted.

So at what point would you stop describing someone? Is it okay to mention hair colour and eye colour, or would you put that in the same basket as skin colour? And of course you don’t want any gender discrimination by labelling their sex. And hopefully we’re enlightened enough not to notice they were in a wheel chair, or were a 4 foot dwarf.

I would pay good money to hear you try to describe the assailant who gives you a good smack to the side of the head for being too PC.

Erg0 said :

facet said :

I was assaulted in a road rage incident I reported it to the police and tracked down the guy. The police were not interested, I was told there is no such offence as “road rage”.

That’s like saying that someone who assaulted you in a bar wasn’t charged because there’s no such offence as “bar fighting”. Either it’s assault or it’s not, the fact that it happened on a road is irrelevant. Can’t comment on your specific case, obviously, but this reasoning seems spurious.

I would suggest the conversation wasn’t as simplistic as that.

facet said :

I was assaulted in a road rage incident I reported it to the police and tracked down the guy. The police were not interested, I was told there is no such offence as “road rage”.

That’s like saying that someone who assaulted you in a bar wasn’t charged because there’s no such offence as “bar fighting”. Either it’s assault or it’s not, the fact that it happened on a road is irrelevant. Can’t comment on your specific case, obviously, but this reasoning seems spurious.

shadow boxer11:30 am 17 Nov 10

Amanda Hugankis said :

ConanOfCooma said :

shadow boxer said :

To the original poster, i’m curious.

What reaction did you expect when you when you flashed the lights at him ?

At first I was like… But then I realised what you were saying.

I have to agree, TBH. Excluding the “reaction” involving a hammer. But considering he’s middle eatern, you’re probably lucky his six cousins didn’t also jump out of the car and stab you to death in time to some terrible doof song.

Just curious – what do reaction do people expect to get when they tailgate others and then cut them off?

I would suggest no reaction at all … they are serving you up a shit sandwich and they expect you to say ‘thankyou’, eat the sandwich and don’t leave any crusts!

I fail to see why being tailgated needs any response at all, just go on your way,

Being cut off is different but if he had been stuck behind someone like Ian who finds it amusing to hold up tailgaters by driving slower expect an angry driver to be cutting you off.

At the end of the day flashing your lights seems a bit childish and the vehicular equivalent of giving the finger, you can do it, but in this day and age the results can be unpredictable.

facet said :

merlin bodega said :

Disposable said :

What did the police say when you reported it?

When I reported a similar incident to police that occurred in about the same place they said it was just my word against the other driver. With a witness I guess it is just your words against the other driver.

Don’t waste your time.

Agree, I was assaulted in a road rage incident I reported it to the police and tracked down the guy. The police were not interested, I was told there is no such offence as “road rage”.
During the attack, this idiot boasted that he had “sorted several other people out”, no doubt he is still out there enjoying himself.
ACT federal police are a waste of money, we need our own police force and not these Commonwealth clowns.

There is no offence of “road rage” that is quite right, would you like the woefully incompetent ACT federal police to invent offences to suit your needs?. There is however the default offences of common assault and furious, reckless, menacing driving – HOWEVER are very difficult to prove if there are no independent witnesses. It’s funny because if the Police put a matter before the court with insufficient evidence, they are labelled incompetent but if they don’t put a matter before the court, because of lack of evidence to PROVE the offence, they are still labelled lazy and incompetent. Lose/Lose situation

Curious, did you have any independent witnesses or was it your word against theirs? There are always 2 sides to a story ……

Additionally, if the “commonwealth clowns” are such a waste of money and not doing your bidding, I suggest you look at the long (unfortunate) list of persons before the court that the lazy and incompetent Police members have put there!

facet said :

Agree, I was assaulted in a road rage incident I reported it to the police and tracked down the guy. The police were not interested, I was told there is no such offence as “road rage”. During the attack, this idiot boasted that he had “sorted several other people out”, no doubt he is still out there enjoying himself.
ACT federal police are a waste of money, we need our own police force and not these Commonwealth clowns.

Have you tried to find an offence of ‘road rage’ in our legislation? Your Police know what they’re talking about, there is no such offence champ. Road rage only describes the circumstances of an incident whereby certain offences may have occurred. Police are bound by the legislation of the Territory and have to prove certain facts before a matter can be put before the Court. You could replace the Police with the Canadian Mounties and they would still be bound by the same legislation.

Did Police really tell you they weren’t interested? Perhaps there was a legal reason they weren’t able to prosecute your incident and, because you don’t understand and haven’t tried to understand, you jumped to the conclusion they weren’t interested, right? I think the big floppy shoe is now on the other foot.

Amanda Hugankis10:27 am 17 Nov 10

ConanOfCooma said :

shadow boxer said :

To the original poster, i’m curious.

What reaction did you expect when you when you flashed the lights at him ?

At first I was like… But then I realised what you were saying.

I have to agree, TBH. Excluding the “reaction” involving a hammer. But considering he’s middle eatern, you’re probably lucky his six cousins didn’t also jump out of the car and stab you to death in time to some terrible doof song.

Just curious – what do reaction do people expect to get when they tailgate others and then cut them off?

I would suggest no reaction at all … they are serving you up a shit sandwich and they expect you to say ‘thankyou’, eat the sandwich and don’t leave any crusts!

colourful sydney racing identity10:24 am 17 Nov 10

Tooks said :

So he can describe the car, but describing the offender is out of bounds?

Describing his appearance is as relevant as stating the alleged offenders starsign

It’s a legitimate part of storytelling,

Deal with it.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

PBO said :

canbe said :

Of Middle Eastern apperance?

If he looked like Jason Donovan or Paul Hogan would you have said he was of British stock?

You only expose your own ignorance and bigotry and that the attack may have been warranted.

Then how would you go about describing them idiot? A person of indescrimminate race who has a lot of pigmentation? You sir, are a fool!

Why does he need to describe the driver if he has the car registration – which, correct me if I’m wrong JB, he originally included in his post. I call race baiting.

So he can describe the car, but describing the offender is out of bounds?

colourful sydney racing identity10:05 am 17 Nov 10

PBO said :

canbe said :

Of Middle Eastern apperance?

If he looked like Jason Donovan or Paul Hogan would you have said he was of British stock?

You only expose your own ignorance and bigotry and that the attack may have been warranted.

Then how would you go about describing them idiot? A person of indescrimminate race who has a lot of pigmentation? You sir, are a fool!

Why does he need to describe the driver if he has the car registration – which, correct me if I’m wrong JB, he originally included in his post. I call race baiting.

canbe said :

Of Middle Eastern apperance?

If he looked like Jason Donovan or Paul Hogan would you have said he was of British stock?

You only expose your own ignorance and bigotry and that the attack may have been warranted.

You’re right, he should have said IC6.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC_codes

facet said :

merlin bodega said :

Disposable said :

What did the police say when you reported it?

When I reported a similar incident to police that occurred in about the same place they said it was just my word against the other driver. With a witness I guess it is just your words against the other driver.

Don’t waste your time.

Agree, I was assaulted in a road rage incident I reported it to the police and tracked down the guy. The police were not interested, I was told there is no such offence as “road rage”.
During the attack, this idiot boasted that he had “sorted several other people out”, no doubt he is still out there enjoying himself.
ACT federal police are a waste of money, we need our own police force and not these Commonwealth clowns.

There is no such offence as road rage. What actually happened?

bigred said :

you are not under any danger from the guy in the yellow lancer so the cops would refer to their prioritisation system, go “nyet” and return to the coffee cup.

You’re showing your ignorance of the priority system…again. Either that or you need to get some new fishing bait.

The guy reported it to police and it’s being investigated. Let’s see how it pans out.

ConanOfCooma9:29 am 17 Nov 10

shadow boxer said :

To the original poster, i’m curious.

What reaction did you expect when you when you flashed the lights at him ?

At first I was like… But then I realised what you were saying.

I have to agree, TBH. Excluding the “reaction” involving a hammer. But considering he’s middle eatern, you’re probably lucky his six cousins didn’t also jump out of the car and stab you to death in time to some terrible doof song.

canbe said :

Of Middle Eastern apperance?

If he looked like Jason Donovan or Paul Hogan would you have said he was of British stock?

You only expose your own ignorance and bigotry and that the attack may have been warranted.

Then how would you go about describing them idiot? A person of indescrimminate race who has a lot of pigmentation? You sir, are a fool!

merlin bodega said :

Disposable said :

What did the police say when you reported it?

When I reported a similar incident to police that occurred in about the same place they said it was just my word against the other driver. With a witness I guess it is just your words against the other driver.

Don’t waste your time.

Agree, I was assaulted in a road rage incident I reported it to the police and tracked down the guy. The police were not interested, I was told there is no such offence as “road rage”.
During the attack, this idiot boasted that he had “sorted several other people out”, no doubt he is still out there enjoying himself.
ACT federal police are a waste of money, we need our own police force and not these Commonwealth clowns.

shadow boxer8:02 am 17 Nov 10

To the original poster, i’m curious.

What reaction did you expect when you when you flashed the lights at him ?

Of Middle Eastern apperance?

If he looked like Jason Donovan or Paul Hogan would you have said he was of British stock?

You only expose your own ignorance and bigotry and that the attack may have been warranted.

bigred said :

you are not under any danger from the guy in the yellow lancer so the cops would refer to their prioritisation system, go “nyet” and return to the coffee cup.

The prioritisation system is there for a reason bigred, you sound like you are a person who would turn up to the Hospital Emergency Dept with a flu and demand to be seen first.

you are not under any danger from the guy in the yellow lancer so the cops would refer to their prioritisation system, go “nyet” and return to the coffee cup.

Ironically ther is an ad for Mitsubishi Lancer at the bottom oh the page :):):)

Hmmm. If your lucky enough to be in an old, disposable sort of car…………..ram it into his! With some luck, you’ll manage to hit the drivers side door – then pull him out through the vent!

Ah, for the good old days!

Now though, back on planet earth, let’s see what the police do with a witness and a complainant! Shouldn’t be too hard really to put a brief together. For the rest of us, let’s keep an eye out for this moron – you just never know your luck!!!

Captain RAAF7:47 pm 16 Nov 10

“Why is it a pre-requisite that one must inform the police….”

Because if you aren’t prepared to make the effort to at least TRY to address this issue through the appropriate channels then don’t waste our fekkin time cryin about it here, just lay down and place your right index finger on your forehead so hammer boy can plant you one!

Police are not fools, after years of experience they know how to weed through the chaff and a hammer weilding thug on the roads would have seen me put down my donut and head for the car, all on the say-so of John Q Citizen and why? because if John Q is prepared to make the effort to come and report this thing to me, I will get off my arse and help him because 99.9% chance he is telling the truth!

Here’s hoping the puke picks on the wrong person, and ends up eating through a straw for the rest of his days. Canberra’s such a small place, someone will know who he is and where he works and lives.

Jethro said :

Why is it a pre-requisite that one must inform the police of idiotic behaviour on the roads before they have a whinge about it on here? What are the police going to do about it? They have no evidence other than the complainant’s side of the story.

If I were to call the cops every time some idiot nearly killed me on Canberra’s roads I would probably be arrested by them myself on some sort of nuisance charge.

Jethro, threatening another person with a hammer is far more serious than ‘idiotic behaviour’. Think about the word weapon, one which is capable of inflicting fatal injuries. I would suggest the Police, with a complaint from a victim including a good description of the offender and his vehicle and with at least one independent witness from someone in the car behind, could probably put this tool before the court where he obviously belongs. The previous posts seem to suggest all this ‘evidence’ is available and I would suggest the Rioters you quoted, including myself, are all members of our community who have concers about this spanner being on our roads. The right thing to do is inform the Police and give them as much help as we can to identify this spanker.

Rawhide Kid Part36:13 pm 16 Nov 10

Ceej1973 said :

Similar thing happened to me on weekend in Woden. Watch out for ACT 4wd ute with young guy/s in high vis vest and very big cowboy hats. I moved from left lane to right doing 70kmh to o/t car doing 60kmh in 70kmh zone. B4 I knew it there was a 4wd came flying up behind me which I musta slowed down,and sat 1 foot off my bumper blasting horn and flashing me. I just dropped my speed b4 roundabout, then moved over for the nutter to pass on Adelaide Ave, b4 he abused me more. When he passed, I flashed him back, so he slammed brakes on in middle of Adelaide Ave, but I waited till last minute to use Curtin off ramp, much to his annoyance. I was more shaken by my wife abusing me for flashing him back. She was right tho. One day one of these lunies will get out and bash a law abiding citizen for s.th the luny has done wrong, and although we will feel better for returning the gesture, we will come off worse, physically or damaged vehicle.

Don’t worry. They only have to do it once to an unmarked patrol and there’re gone.

Rawhide Kid Part36:10 pm 16 Nov 10

BenMac said :

No listing for So Seductive Car Detailing. Must be home buisness.

Could be a front for something else?? But then I could be totally wrong…

Ian said :

Solidarity said :

Personally I think damaging his car is a bit of a dog act, why not confront the guy mano a mano?

Oh yeah … young middle eastern appearance guy, quite likely to carry a knife, or get a few of his drug dealing mates to join in.

(Stereotyping is fun, it makes things so much easier.)

It’s not stereotyping or racist if it is true……..

Ian said :

Solidarity said :

Personally I think damaging his car is a bit of a dog act, why not confront the guy mano a mano?

Oh yeah … young middle eastern appearance guy, quite likely to carry a knife, or get a few of his drug dealing mates to join in.

(Stereotyping is fun, it makes things so much easier.)

Well, it seems this guy can go around threatening people with hammers all he wants then, nobody is going to stop him, so why should he stop?

Hell, it seems as if everyone is scared of him. Oh well, better stay out of his way then.

Solidarity said :

Personally I think damaging his car is a bit of a dog act, why not confront the guy mano a mano?

Oh yeah … young middle eastern appearance guy, quite likely to carry a knife, or get a few of his drug dealing mates to join in.

(Stereotyping is fun, it makes things so much easier.)

merlin bodega said :

Disposable said :

What did the police say when you reported it?

When I reported a similar incident to police that occurred in about the same place they said it was just my word against the other driver. With a witness I guess it is just your words against the other driver.

Don’t waste your time.

If you keep your eyes open you will see the car out and possibly parked and abandoned. You’ll know what to do.

In this case, it appears he has an independent witness, which makes a big difference.

Disposable said :

What did the police say when you reported it?

Pitchka said :

Just a simple flash of your lights hey???

I’m not condoning his behaviour, but i doubt he got out to confront you because you flashed your lights at him..

Did you get his rego, report it to the police etc?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I assume you have contacted the police with the rego number to the police?

Punter said :

Donnyboy, I hope you have also contacted Police as a witness to this. Independant witesses are very valuable in proving these sort of matters.

Captain RAAF said :

I’d still like to know what the Police said?

Why is it a pre-requisite that one must inform the police of idiotic behaviour on the roads before they have a whinge about it on here? What are the police going to do about it? They have no evidence other than the complainant’s side of the story.

If I were to call the cops every time some idiot nearly killed me on Canberra’s roads I would probably be arrested by them myself on some sort of nuisance charge.

Solidarity said :

Personally I think damaging his car is a bit of a dog act, why not confront the guy mano a mano?

+1

colourful sydney racing identity4:01 pm 16 Nov 10

I like all the calls for mob justice stemming from an anonymous post on a website.

Ian said :

When I get tailgated, I just take my foot off the accelerator and slow down even more.

The tailgaters don’t seem to get the hint 90% of the time, and don’t back off – but it amuses me that I’ve just held them up a little more and ramped up their level of dickheadedness for the day.

If you’ve ramped up their dickheadedness, though, they might pull a hammer on the next person.

Monster of the Deep3:55 pm 16 Nov 10

Solidarity said :

Personally I think damaging his car is a bit of a dog act, why not confront the guy mano a mano?

What, go up to him and say, “I read on the internet you’re a dickhead.” Then what? Receive a beating?

Personally I think damaging his car is a bit of a dog act, why not confront the guy mano a mano?

Great. So we all just keep an eye out for a yellow, 6th gen Lancer with “so seductive car detailing” plastered on it, and an intercooler visible from the front.

It’d be a terrible shame if someone keyed it, or broke the mirrors off, or slashed the tyres…

Holden Caulfield3:03 pm 16 Nov 10

Pommy bastard said :

In the UK flashing lights is a friendly gestrue, normally used to indicate it’s safe to pull out or “I’m giving way to you”.

You can imagine how much fun I had when I first started driving in Canberra.

Yep, I noticed this when I was living in the UK many moons ago. Both Mrs C and I commented how that just wouldn’t work in Australia.

Captain RAAF2:58 pm 16 Nov 10

I’d still like to know what the Police said?

Sixth generation with a fully sick turbo.. Interestingly enough of the intercooler hanging out the front grill that a tap with that hammer would have some interesting flow on effects..

I have $20 on it being a 7th generation, it also seems to be the bogan female car of choice

ConanOfCooma2:18 pm 16 Nov 10

Amanda Hugankis said :

I vote for Conan as our next Chief Minister – I’m sure we can arrange dial in from Cooma if he likes!

We don’t have phones in Cooma yet.

But it’s ok, I drive up everyday.

far_northact1:43 pm 16 Nov 10

Pommy bastard said :

In the UK flashing lights is a friendly gestrue, normally used to indicate it’s safe to pull out or “I’m giving way to you”.

You can imagine how much fun I had when I first started driving in Canberra.

LOL – I had the reverse problem when I lived in Scarborough, Nth Yorkshire for a couple of years. When I first arrived I thought “why do they keep flashing their lights at me – what the hell am I doing wrong?”

Looking at this Wikipedia page, can you indicate what year model it was?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Lancer

I wonder if this is the same yellow Lancer that had a go at me twelve months ago.

merlin bodega1:31 pm 16 Nov 10

Disposable said :

What did the police say when you reported it?

When I reported a similar incident to police that occurred in about the same place they said it was just my word against the other driver. With a witness I guess it is just your words against the other driver.

Don’t waste your time.

If you keep your eyes open you will see the car out and possibly parked and abandoned. You’ll know what to do.

Pommy bastard1:14 pm 16 Nov 10

In the UK flashing lights is a friendly gestrue, normally used to indicate it’s safe to pull out or “I’m giving way to you”.

You can imagine how much fun I had when I first started driving in Canberra.

Oh. and I’ll go with “Me no fry’s” suggestion, run the idiot over.

DonnyBoy said :

Bman – I was in the car behind you. That guy was a lunatic! He was all over the shop and it was a miracle there wasn’t an accident of some sort. I came to a stop behind you at a safe distance, but the girl behind me appeared to come very close to rear ending me, and i imagine it would be the same further down the queue. When i looked there was at least 20 cars that had to come to a sudden stop.

If you haven’t already, along with notifying the police you should drop a line to “So Seductive Car Detailing”. They’ll certainly know who he is and if he’s an employee there i’m sure they wouldn’t appreciate the bad name he’s giving their business by driving dangerously and negligently…….not to mention threatening other motorists with building tools!

Donnyboy, I hope you have also contacted Police as a witness to this. Independant witesses are very valuable in proving these sort of matters.

BenMac said :

No listing for So Seductive Car Detailing. Must be home buisness.

You should see what their complaints department is like!

I’m so glad Stanhopes’ investment in extra speed cameras and txt-spelt road signs have improved driver’s attitudes, driving skills and road safety in the ACT.

Oh, wait…

Ian said :

When I get tailgated, I just take my foot off the accelerator and slow down even more.

The tailgaters don’t seem to get the hint 90% of the time, and don’t back off – but it amuses me that I’ve just held them up a little more and ramped up their level of dickheadedness for the day.

I also slow down when I’m being tailgated. Why? Because if I do have to stop suddenly with a car about 5 metres off my bumper, I want the inevitable impact to be as low as possible. Tailgaters rarely get the hint of course, but I did enjoy making the p plater miss the green traffic lights yesterday because he was so close I couldn’t see his headlights and I slowed down accordingly.

One bloke did take offense to this tactic once, and got out of his car to confront me at some red traffic lights. Of course, he declined my offer to meet him up the road to discuss the matter further.

Statistic: people are 400% braver when they’re in their car*

*Statistic may be made up

Just save flashing the lights as a courtesy to show someone you’re allowing them to merge in front of you for instance. To signal displeasure give the finger, preferably by leaning your arm out of the window first – it’s far more satisfying.

JB surely we can have the rego number published simply on the grounds of a public safety initiative???

ConanOfCooma said :

A hammer? I have a lot worse in my car, how come I never get to have fun with the road ragers?!?

Just to clarify things – He was tailgating you, yes? Then he cut you off?

The tailgating is a shootable offense (just in the leg, nothing serious), but being cutoff in Canberra is like breathing – You can find respite when you are dead.

Now Conan, I’m a little shocked to see you jump straight to the conclusion of shooting, that’s not nearly barbaric enough, given your name when you said you had worse in your car I pictured a big broad sword or claymore – you know the kind of Conan sword that’s about the length of Arnold Schwarzenegger.

A road rager w/ a hammer vs Conan w/ a sword – that I’d like to see!!!!

PBO said :

If i see the car i will key it for you.

And pass on its details to the tyre slasher in Narrabundah!!!

If i see the car i will key it for you.

Similar thing happened to me on weekend in Woden. Watch out for ACT 4wd ute with young guy/s in high vis vest and very big cowboy hats. I moved from left lane to right doing 70kmh to o/t car doing 60kmh in 70kmh zone. B4 I knew it there was a 4wd came flying up behind me which I musta slowed down,and sat 1 foot off my bumper blasting horn and flashing me. I just dropped my speed b4 roundabout, then moved over for the nutter to pass on Adelaide Ave, b4 he abused me more. When he passed, I flashed him back, so he slammed brakes on in middle of Adelaide Ave, but I waited till last minute to use Curtin off ramp, much to his annoyance. I was more shaken by my wife abusing me for flashing him back. She was right tho. One day one of these lunies will get out and bash a law abiding citizen for s.th the luny has done wrong, and although we will feel better for returning the gesture, we will come off worse, physically or damaged vehicle.

No listing for So Seductive Car Detailing. Must be home buisness.

Run him over. You were trying to get away and put the car into the wrong gear, and smashed him into his own car. Tragic accident, of course.

Car Detailing with a hammer, that’s … novel.

When I get tailgated, I just take my foot off the accelerator and slow down even more.

The tailgaters don’t seem to get the hint 90% of the time, and don’t back off – but it amuses me that I’ve just held them up a little more and ramped up their level of dickheadedness for the day.

Im just glad that the point to point cameras can detect this type of behaviour and issue a ticket 14 to 28 days after the offense has been committed.

Amanda Hugankis11:38 am 16 Nov 10

ConanOfCooma said :

A hammer? I have a lot worse in my car, how come I never get to have fun with the road ragers?!?

Just to clarify things – He was tailgating you, yes? Then he cut you off?

The tailgating is a shootable offense (just in the leg, nothing serious), but being cutoff in Canberra is like breathing – You can find respite when you are dead.

These knobjockeys bring it on themselves – maybe they’d just keep to themselves and stop interfering with others if they thought there was a fair chance that others could legally intefere back.

I vote for Conan as our next Chief Minister – I’m sure we can arrange dial in from Cooma if he likes!

Hope you are ok bman, I will certainly be keeping an eye out for this little turd..

Amanda Hugankis11:28 am 16 Nov 10

Pitchka said :

Just a simple flash of your lights hey???

I’m not condoning his behaviour, but i doubt he got out to confront you because you flashed your lights at him..

Did you get his rego, report it to the police etc?

Yeah, don’t bet on it – I’ve stopped flicking my lights at anyone for ANY reason now due to increasing incidents of people retailiating in a threatening manner – e.g.: stopping at lights and bonnet thumping, chasing, etc. I flicked the lights once to someone who cut me off in traffic, and the guy then tailgated me from Civic to Belconnen, so I drove to the copshop where he then took off.

There are some people who are teetering on the edge of violent insanity in this quiet little country town.

Thanks DonnyBoy for the support along with DeadlySchnauzer. The police have been informed and are looking into this matter. Apologies for the typos in the original post however I was still shaken when posting upon my arrival to work.

My only concern is for other road users and hope that this will in someway be helpful to rioters if they have the unfortunate experience of encountering this idiot on our roads.

DonnyBoy, if you report your version of events to the police and if the OP presses charges then the police will actually have to do something about this guy.

Otherwise he gets away with it and will pull that crap on someone else.

ConanOfCooma11:11 am 16 Nov 10

A hammer? I have a lot worse in my car, how come I never get to have fun with the road ragers?!?

Just to clarify things – He was tailgating you, yes? Then he cut you off?

The tailgating is a shootable offense (just in the leg, nothing serious), but being cutoff in Canberra is like breathing – You can find respite when you are dead.

georgesgenitals11:08 am 16 Nov 10

Sounds like the freak in the white fairlane that had a go at me on the way home yesterday. So much anger.

DeadlySchnauzer said :

Pitchka said :

Just a simple flash of your lights hey???

I’m not condoning his behaviour, but i doubt he got out to confront you because you flashed your lights at him.

You obviously have no experience with the kind of idiotic angry (usually young male) wankers out there who think they own the world and all must bow down before them. Having experienced a similar road rage situation myself, I can vouch for the fact that it takes very little for these people to fly into an almighty rage.

You obviously flashed your lights in an aggressive manner also?

Bman – I was in the car behind you. That guy was a lunatic! He was all over the shop and it was a miracle there wasn’t an accident of some sort. I came to a stop behind you at a safe distance, but the girl behind me appeared to come very close to rear ending me, and i imagine it would be the same further down the queue. When i looked there was at least 20 cars that had to come to a sudden stop.

If you haven’t already, along with notifying the police you should drop a line to “So Seductive Car Detailing”. They’ll certainly know who he is and if he’s an employee there i’m sure they wouldn’t appreciate the bad name he’s giving their business by driving dangerously and negligently…….not to mention threatening other motorists with building tools!

colourful sydney racing identity10:55 am 16 Nov 10

I assume you have contacted the police with the rego number to the police?

DeadlySchnauzer10:54 am 16 Nov 10

Pitchka said :

Just a simple flash of your lights hey???

I’m not condoning his behaviour, but i doubt he got out to confront you because you flashed your lights at him.

You obviously have no experience with the kind of idiotic angry (usually young male) wankers out there who think they own the world and all must bow down before them. Having experienced a similar road rage situation myself, I can vouch for the fact that it takes very little for these people to fly into an almighty rage.

Just a simple flash of your lights hey???

I’m not condoning his behaviour, but i doubt he got out to confront you because you flashed your lights at him..

Did you get his rego, report it to the police etc?

Very scary….but…you got the name of his car detailing company but not his license plate number?

I took the number plate out.

What did the police say when you reported it?

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