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Eastman mess highlighting the farce of the ACT Judicial System

By johnboy 19 November 2013 67

The Canberra Times has the make you cry news that the ACT Director of Public Prosecutions, having failed to apply within time, is seeking an extension so they can kibosh the inquiry into the Eastman conviction for the murder of Colin Winchester.

It gets better though because the Full Bench of the Supreme Court needs to hear the matter and they’ve all been involved at one time or another in David Eastman’s interminable shenanigans.

It all rather highlights that a city of 370,000 has no business trying to run a completely independent legal system and we really should just pay another state to do it for us.

Because we’re certainly not doing it well right now.


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Antagonist 11:50 am 27 Nov 13

One only has to look at the posts here to see that the Eastman case has raised more questions than it has answered. I would argue that this in itself is justification for the enquiry to go ahead, and for the DPP to pull its head in and leave it alone. As has been stated many times before – if the AFP and DPP have done their jobs properly, then they have nothing to fear.

buzz819 11:14 am 27 Nov 13

Robertson said :

buzz819 said :

Blah Blah Blah Blah

I’ve stated the facts of the matter. Your ignorance of these facts is nothing to do with me, however I have provided enough info for you to look up Operation Seville all on your own and find out for yourself what was going on.

Good, Wikipedia, that will tell me an unbiased factual representation of what happened, not what some nut job thinks happened.

Good, I take that as an undertaking from you to inform yourself before making uninformed contributions.

Dunjno about Wikipedia, but you can start here:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1301&dat=19890723&id=6LRYAAAAIBAJ&sjid=nucDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1434,2214145

Followed here by some some decent journalism dating from *before* the AFP’s corrupt investigation went off on its ‘convenient local nutter’ tangent:
http://www.canberracouriers.com.au/canberra-couriers-articles/1989/8/18/colin-winchester-and-the-calabrian-connection/

Soo… I read it, Winchester was investigated by the NCA, cleared of any wrong doings. His finances were investigated after his desth, again cleared of any corruption.

It even says in the article that The Calabrian mafia would rather work with the Police then shoot them??
Yes Op Seville seemed dodgy, but again, other Police were found to have acted wrongly, not Winchester??

That article seems to dispute your train of thoughts, but thanks.

Robertson 10:55 am 27 Nov 13

Thumper said :

Yawn…

“Eastman was found guilty. This is a fact. If you have any information to the contrary then get your evidence together and test it in a court of law.”

Eastman may have committed the crime, but nobody could prove it, so he was fitted-up and railroaded. I don’t mind so much for Eastman’s sake, but it upsets me for three reasons:

1/ It helped the incompetent AFP and the corrupt NSW Police sweep Operation Seville under the carpet.
2/ The real perps are still out there, if Eastman didn’t do it
3/ Whether he did it or not, convicting somebody on no evidence proves our justice system is unreliable and needs fixing.

Thumper 10:11 am 27 Nov 13

Robertson said :

Thumper said :

Robertson said :

Thumper said :

Write a book bro….

Thumper, you’re full of content-free contributions, but refuse to comment on the facts of the matter.

Let’s start with something simple:
Did the AFP’s ‘Operation Seville’ involve Winchester posing as a corrupt cop, helping the Calabrians with protection for their “authorised crop”?

Yes or No.
Or keep bull$hitting. Your choice.

Haha, you’re the one throwing accusations of conspiracies and corruption and you want me to justify it?

Eastman was found guilty. If you have any information to the contrary then get your evidence together and test it in a court of law.

Until then you’re just pissing in the wind.

I see you can’t handle the truth.

You talk about “conspiracies” to rationalise your state of denial.

Eastman’s conviction was utterly unsafe. No evidence was presented that proved Eastman did it. Nothing. It was a shambles and a circus and the AFP & DPP have something on their hands they are very embarrassed about.

Yawn…

“Eastman was found guilty. This is a fact. If you have any information to the contrary then get your evidence together and test it in a court of law.”

Robertson 10:08 am 27 Nov 13

buzz819 said :

Blah Blah Blah Blah

I’ve stated the facts of the matter. Your ignorance of these facts is nothing to do with me, however I have provided enough info for you to look up Operation Seville all on your own and find out for yourself what was going on.

Good, Wikipedia, that will tell me an unbiased factual representation of what happened, not what some nut job thinks happened.

Good, I take that as an undertaking from you to inform yourself before making uninformed contributions.

Dunjno about Wikipedia, but you can start here:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1301&dat=19890723&id=6LRYAAAAIBAJ&sjid=nucDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1434,2214145

Followed here by some some decent journalism dating from *before* the AFP’s corrupt investigation went off on its ‘convenient local nutter’ tangent:
http://www.canberracouriers.com.au/canberra-couriers-articles/1989/8/18/colin-winchester-and-the-calabrian-connection/

Robertson 10:00 am 27 Nov 13

Thumper said :

Robertson said :

Thumper said :

Write a book bro….

Thumper, you’re full of content-free contributions, but refuse to comment on the facts of the matter.

Let’s start with something simple:
Did the AFP’s ‘Operation Seville’ involve Winchester posing as a corrupt cop, helping the Calabrians with protection for their “authorised crop”?

Yes or No.
Or keep bull$hitting. Your choice.

Haha, you’re the one throwing accusations of conspiracies and corruption and you want me to justify it?

Eastman was found guilty. If you have any information to the contrary then get your evidence together and test it in a court of law.

Until then you’re just pissing in the wind.

I see you can’t handle the truth.

You talk about “conspiracies” to rationalise your state of denial.

Eastman’s conviction was utterly unsafe. No evidence was presented that proved Eastman did it. Nothing. It was a shambles and a circus and the AFP & DPP have something on their hands they are very embarrassed about.

IrishPete 7:51 pm 26 Nov 13

Spiral said :

Proboscus said :

cranky said :

Rightly or wrongly, Eastman has been in custody now for over 17 years (?).

Has any other murderer (?) in the ACT copped such a sentence?

Without any apparent opportunity of parole?

What the hell gives with this case?

I remember a case in the ’80’s where a bloke killed his wife and his wife’s family. I assume he’s in the AMC.

Was that the one where he killed his girlfriend and her friend and made it look like a car accident towards Cooma, then after dating his dead girlfriend’s sister, killed her and the rest of her family in Richardson?

No evidence he was dating the sister. Had remained friends with,

IP

IrishPete 7:50 pm 26 Nov 13

Proboscus said :

cranky said :

Rightly or wrongly, Eastman has been in custody now for over 17 years (?).

Has any other murderer (?) in the ACT copped such a sentence?

Without any apparent opportunity of parole?

What the hell gives with this case?

I remember a case in the ’80’s where a bloke killed his wife and his wife’s family. I assume he’s in the AMC.

Memory is terribly inaccurate (as courts and juries should know). He killed two teenage girls, one of them his under age girlfriend, and staged it as a car accident. Got away with it. But a few years later got blind drunk and murdered his dead girlfriend’s sister, her husband and their two very small children. Didn’t get away with that one, and the original incident was re-investigated and he was convicted of it too.

There are a handful of lifers in AMC who have been forgotten about. Corbell seems in no hurry to release any of them.

IP

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 6:50 pm 26 Nov 13

Robertson said :

Thumper said :

Indeed, except in this case we have people throwing wild theories around without ever having been anywhere near the case.

What “wild theories”?

Was Operation Seville a reality? Yes.
Did Winchester pose as a bent cop on the ‘Nghandreta’s payroll? Yes.
Did the mafia grow a dope crop “authorised” by Winchester? Yes.
Did the crop get ripped off by gun-toting bent coppers from Sydney? Yes.
Did the mafia blame Winchester for double-crossing them? Yes.
How long did it take the AFP to follow the mafia lead? 4 years. Not a shred of work on this obvious lead until the trial was about to start.
And let’s not talk about Winchester – not as bent as the Calabrians were led to believe, but hardly a clean copper. Ask any small business owner who ever had him in their shop in the ’70s and ’80s. “You’re contributing to law and order today”, he would tell them as he took his freebies off their shelves.

Meanwhile, was *any* actual evidence produced that put Eastman at the scene of the crime? None. What. So. Ever.

Where’s the “wild theory”, huh?

You’re a denier and an apologist for an incompetent and corrupt justice system.

As for your other assumption, you are completely wrong. I know plenty about this case from keeping an eye on it from the night I saw the crime scene, subsequently chatting to defence and DPP lawyers. I’ve spoken to Eastman’s supposed alibi, whom the AFP terrified out of the picture so she couldn’t muddy their concocted case. I used to have drinks with Rod Campbell, the last of our investigative journalists. I was even interviewed by police myself as the investigation kicked off. I have, of course, met Eastman, so I’m not saying any of this because I actually want him out on our streets.

Maybe Thumper’s the one who should stop making uninformed contributions to this thread?

Sources?

buzz819 5:43 pm 26 Nov 13

Blah Blah Blah Blah

I’ve stated the facts of the matter. Your ignorance of these facts is nothing to do with me, however I have provided enough info for you to look up Operation Seville all on your own and find out for yourself what was going on.

Good, Wikipedia, that will tell me an unbiased factual representation of what happened, not what some nut job thinks happened.

Thumper 5:31 pm 26 Nov 13

Miracles Australia said :

Thumper said :

Robertson said :

Thumper said :

Write a book bro….

Thumper, you’re full of content-free contributions, but refuse to comment on the facts of the matter.

Let’s start with something simple:
Did the AFP’s ‘Operation Seville’ involve Winchester posing as a corrupt cop, helping the Calabrians with protection for their “authorised crop”?

Yes or No.
Or keep bull$hitting. Your choice.

Haha, you’re the one throwing accusations of conspiracies and corruption and you want me to justify it?

Eastman was found guilty. If you have any information to the contrary then get your evidence together and test it in a court of law.

Until then you’re just pissing in the wind.

That is what the Inquiry is all about…. presenting collected evidence to a court of law. So then you agree Eastman Inquiry should continue without interruption ?

Have I ever said otherwise?

Miracles Australia 4:59 pm 26 Nov 13

Thumper said :

Robertson said :

Thumper said :

Write a book bro….

Thumper, you’re full of content-free contributions, but refuse to comment on the facts of the matter.

Let’s start with something simple:
Did the AFP’s ‘Operation Seville’ involve Winchester posing as a corrupt cop, helping the Calabrians with protection for their “authorised crop”?

Yes or No.
Or keep bull$hitting. Your choice.

Haha, you’re the one throwing accusations of conspiracies and corruption and you want me to justify it?

Eastman was found guilty. If you have any information to the contrary then get your evidence together and test it in a court of law.

Until then you’re just pissing in the wind.

That is what the Inquiry is all about…. presenting collected evidence to a court of law. So then you agree Eastman Inquiry should continue without interruption ?

Miracles Australia 4:54 pm 26 Nov 13

Perhaps the issue we should all be focusing on as ACT Residents is not whether Eastman is guilty or innocent, but whether due process was adhered to and human rights maintained.. That is why Eastman should get his inquiry and why all ACT Residents should be demanding that it happens.

Thumper 3:43 pm 26 Nov 13

Robertson said :

Thumper said :

Write a book bro….

Thumper, you’re full of content-free contributions, but refuse to comment on the facts of the matter.

Let’s start with something simple:
Did the AFP’s ‘Operation Seville’ involve Winchester posing as a corrupt cop, helping the Calabrians with protection for their “authorised crop”?

Yes or No.
Or keep bull$hitting. Your choice.

Haha, you’re the one throwing accusations of conspiracies and corruption and you want me to justify it?

Eastman was found guilty. If you have any information to the contrary then get your evidence together and test it in a court of law.

Until then you’re just pissing in the wind.

Robertson 3:37 pm 26 Nov 13

Thumper said :

Write a book bro….

Thumper, you’re full of content-free contributions, but refuse to comment on the facts of the matter.

Let’s start with something simple:
Did the AFP’s ‘Operation Seville’ involve Winchester posing as a corrupt cop, helping the Calabrians with protection for their “authorised crop”?

Yes or No.
Or keep bull$hitting. Your choice.

Robertson 3:34 pm 26 Nov 13

buzz819 said :

Robertson said :

Thumper said :

Indeed, except in this case we have people throwing wild theories around without ever having been anywhere near the case.

What “wild theories”?

Was Operation Seville a reality? Yes.
Did Winchester pose as a bent cop on the ‘Nghandreta’s payroll? Yes.
Did the mafia grow a dope crop “authorised” by Winchester? Yes.
Did the crop get ripped off by gun-toting bent coppers from Sydney? Yes.
Did the mafia blame Winchester for double-crossing them? Yes.
How long did it take the AFP to follow the mafia lead? 4 years. Not a shred of work on this obvious lead until the trial was about to start.
And let’s not talk about Winchester – not as bent as the Calabrians were led to believe, but hardly a clean copper. Ask any small business owner who ever had him in their shop in the ’70s and ’80s. “You’re contributing to law and order today”, he would tell them as he took his freebies off their shelves.

Meanwhile, was *any* actual evidence produced that put Eastman at the scene of the crime? None. What. So. Ever.

Where’s the “wild theory”, huh?

You’re a denier and an apologist for an incompetent and corrupt justice system.

As for your other assumption, you are completely wrong. I know plenty about this case from keeping an eye on it from the night I saw the crime scene, subsequently chatting to defence and DPP lawyers. I’ve spoken to Eastman’s supposed alibi, whom the AFP terrified out of the picture so she couldn’t muddy their concocted case. I used to have drinks with Rod Campbell, the last of our investigative journalists. I was even interviewed by police myself as the investigation kicked off. I have, of course, met Eastman, so I’m not saying any of this because I actually want him out on our streets.

Maybe Thumper’s the one who should stop making uninformed contributions to this thread?

You know, not one of your points is actual evidence, hearsay and speculation at best, but do go on….

I said it before, I’ll say it again, you crazy!

I’ve stated the facts of the matter. Your ignorance of these facts is nothing to do with me, however I have provided enough info for you to look up Operation Seville all on your own and find out for yourself what was going on.

Thumper 3:11 pm 26 Nov 13

Robertson said :

Thumper said :

Indeed, except in this case we have people throwing wild theories around without ever having been anywhere near the case.

What “wild theories”?

Was Operation Seville a reality? Yes.
Did Winchester pose as a bent cop on the ‘Nghandreta’s payroll? Yes.
Did the mafia grow a dope crop “authorised” by Winchester? Yes.
Did the crop get ripped off by gun-toting bent coppers from Sydney? Yes.
Did the mafia blame Winchester for double-crossing them? Yes.
How long did it take the AFP to follow the mafia lead? 4 years. Not a shred of work on this obvious lead until the trial was about to start.
And let’s not talk about Winchester – not as bent as the Calabrians were led to believe, but hardly a clean copper. Ask any small business owner who ever had him in their shop in the ’70s and ’80s. “You’re contributing to law and order today”, he would tell them as he took his freebies off their shelves.

Meanwhile, was *any* actual evidence produced that put Eastman at the scene of the crime? None. What. So. Ever.

Where’s the “wild theory”, huh?

You’re a denier and an apologist for an incompetent and corrupt justice system.

As for your other assumption, you are completely wrong. I know plenty about this case from keeping an eye on it from the night I saw the crime scene, subsequently chatting to defence and DPP lawyers. I’ve spoken to Eastman’s supposed alibi, whom the AFP terrified out of the picture so she couldn’t muddy their concocted case. I used to have drinks with Rod Campbell, the last of our investigative journalists. I was even interviewed by police myself as the investigation kicked off. I have, of course, met Eastman, so I’m not saying any of this because I actually want him out on our streets.

Maybe Thumper’s the one who should stop making uninformed contributions to this thread?

Write a book bro….

buzz819 2:55 pm 26 Nov 13

Robertson said :

Thumper said :

Indeed, except in this case we have people throwing wild theories around without ever having been anywhere near the case.

What “wild theories”?

Was Operation Seville a reality? Yes.
Did Winchester pose as a bent cop on the ‘Nghandreta’s payroll? Yes.
Did the mafia grow a dope crop “authorised” by Winchester? Yes.
Did the crop get ripped off by gun-toting bent coppers from Sydney? Yes.
Did the mafia blame Winchester for double-crossing them? Yes.
How long did it take the AFP to follow the mafia lead? 4 years. Not a shred of work on this obvious lead until the trial was about to start.
And let’s not talk about Winchester – not as bent as the Calabrians were led to believe, but hardly a clean copper. Ask any small business owner who ever had him in their shop in the ’70s and ’80s. “You’re contributing to law and order today”, he would tell them as he took his freebies off their shelves.

Meanwhile, was *any* actual evidence produced that put Eastman at the scene of the crime? None. What. So. Ever.

Where’s the “wild theory”, huh?

You’re a denier and an apologist for an incompetent and corrupt justice system.

As for your other assumption, you are completely wrong. I know plenty about this case from keeping an eye on it from the night I saw the crime scene, subsequently chatting to defence and DPP lawyers. I’ve spoken to Eastman’s supposed alibi, whom the AFP terrified out of the picture so she couldn’t muddy their concocted case. I used to have drinks with Rod Campbell, the last of our investigative journalists. I was even interviewed by police myself as the investigation kicked off. I have, of course, met Eastman, so I’m not saying any of this because I actually want him out on our streets.

Maybe Thumper’s the one who should stop making uninformed contributions to this thread?

You know, not one of your points is actual evidence, hearsay and speculation at best, but do go on….

I said it before, I’ll say it again, you crazy!

Robertson 12:36 pm 26 Nov 13

Thumper said :

Indeed, except in this case we have people throwing wild theories around without ever having been anywhere near the case.

What “wild theories”?

Was Operation Seville a reality? Yes.
Did Winchester pose as a bent cop on the ‘Nghandreta’s payroll? Yes.
Did the mafia grow a dope crop “authorised” by Winchester? Yes.
Did the crop get ripped off by gun-toting bent coppers from Sydney? Yes.
Did the mafia blame Winchester for double-crossing them? Yes.
How long did it take the AFP to follow the mafia lead? 4 years. Not a shred of work on this obvious lead until the trial was about to start.
And let’s not talk about Winchester – not as bent as the Calabrians were led to believe, but hardly a clean copper. Ask any small business owner who ever had him in their shop in the ’70s and ’80s. “You’re contributing to law and order today”, he would tell them as he took his freebies off their shelves.

Meanwhile, was *any* actual evidence produced that put Eastman at the scene of the crime? None. What. So. Ever.

Where’s the “wild theory”, huh?

You’re a denier and an apologist for an incompetent and corrupt justice system.

As for your other assumption, you are completely wrong. I know plenty about this case from keeping an eye on it from the night I saw the crime scene, subsequently chatting to defence and DPP lawyers. I’ve spoken to Eastman’s supposed alibi, whom the AFP terrified out of the picture so she couldn’t muddy their concocted case. I used to have drinks with Rod Campbell, the last of our investigative journalists. I was even interviewed by police myself as the investigation kicked off. I have, of course, met Eastman, so I’m not saying any of this because I actually want him out on our streets.

Maybe Thumper’s the one who should stop making uninformed contributions to this thread?

Robertson 12:24 pm 26 Nov 13

Thumper said :

bigfeet said :

Robertson said :

Nobody ever came close to actually proving beyond even the tiniest hint of a doubt that Eastman was the right guy, though.

There is of course a very small flaw in this statement.

You seem to conveniently forget that he WAS found guilty beyond reasonable doubt by a jury.

A jury that had all the evidence placed before it and unanimously came to that decision based on that evidence.

Yes, a minor inconvenience to those who think there is some great conspiracy. Eastman was found guilty beyond reasonable doubt by an unbiased jury of his peers. That is, people who actually listened to all the evidence and made a judgement upon that evidence.

Did the jury hear the evidence of the gun seller who says he sold the gun to somebody who didn’t even nearly match Eastman’s description?

No. The Jury did not hear all the evidence. The DPP didn’t even think of bringing the case to court while that witness was still alive.

In any case, what evidence did the jury hear?
Was Eastman at the crime scence? No.
Did Eastman buy the gun that killed Winchester? Fabricated witness statement.
Was there any forensic evidence tying Eastman to the crime? No.

Nothing. The conviction was supremely unsafe.

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