Election promises watch

Thumper 10 July 2008 42

As we are entering the silly season for the upcoming Territory election I felt that it may be handy to have an online election promise list/ watch. (Like fuelwatch but probably more helpful)

To start;

ALP:
Free buses
Light rail proposal

LIB:
Excluding stamp duty from new house buyers

GREEN:

CAP:

OTHER:

Please fill in as you see necessary. Please note, this thread is not for slagging off policies and promises, it is simply for listing them. If you want to slag off a political party then do it on your own thread.

Thank you. Let the games begin.


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Jonathon Reynolds Jonathon Reynolds 10:53 am 17 Jul 08

Thumper:

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peterh peterh 11:57 am 14 Jul 08

Thumper said :

Speaking of plannong, has anyone seen that reidiculouys roundabout they are putting in the middle of macgregor?

It just about hits one of the houses.

unbelievable to think that they (the government) believes that this will not all in end in tears. I estimate it will take less than six months before a drunken driven misses the roundabout and slams into a house.

Don’t believe me, go and check it out 😉

And while I’m at it, has anyone seen the bike lane sign stuck fair smack in the middle of lane ( I shit you not…) at the intersection of Tilyard drive and Ginninderra? I reckon that will get slammed into soon as well.

or the cyclist….

what ever happened to the bike paths? beats the hell out of riding on the road around charnwood / florey / etc areas. I could get to holt oval much faster via the paths when i was a kid.

Thumper Thumper 9:11 am 14 Jul 08

Speaking of plannong, has anyone seen that reidiculouys roundabout they are putting in the middle of macgregor?

It just about hits one of the houses.

unbelievable to think that they (the government) believes that this will not all in end in tears. I estimate it will take less than six months before a drunken driven misses the roundabout and slams into a house.

Don’t believe me, go and check it out 😉

And while I’m at it, has anyone seen the bike lane sign stuck fair smack in the middle of lane ( I shit you not…) at the intersection of Tilyard drive and Ginninderra? I reckon that will get slammed into soon as well.

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 8:56 am 14 Jul 08

Headbonius: sorry, just to clarify…you did say A Sudanese immigrant didn’t you…as in singular?! Ohhh, yes and that makes “them” all dangerous and unsavoury does it? This topic has been around for years and years. This echo’s loudly of the comments and opinions voiced when a few Lebanese guys gang raped a couple of girls in Sydney years ago. All of a sudden there were calls to deport them all and “all Lebs are dangerous” etc etc. As soon as everything had a chance to settle down, the opinions went away.

If it was a Kiwi who went on the rampage, would you be calling for the same treatment for Kiwi’s? I’ve heard it all in the UK too. Horridly racist comments about immigrants, but the minute I reminded the person saying this that I was an immigrant, they’d say “yeah but you know…that’s different”. What because I’m white and English is my first language would be the last comment in the discussion!

Perhaps all of you with this same view need to remember that we ALSO were not the original people in this country. And what did our founding folk do when they landed here – slaughtered many of the population that was here. Yes, over 200 years ago but still perhaps food for thought.

miz miz 2:18 pm 13 Jul 08

Mike, thanks for clarifying. I think you are right about the planning double standard. Developers seem to have this ridiculously inflated view of themselves, ie they are doing everyone a ‘favour’ and it’s good for (their warped idea of) ‘Canberra’ if a development lines their pockets – and stuff the actual inhabitants.

In the case of the gas fired data storage, the only people to benefit seem to be out-of-town investors . . .

If CAP gets in, I would greatly appreciate a review of ACTEW AGL’s advertising and sponsorship fund – they seem to have a brimming slush fund (of taxpayers’ money) for these purposes, which (in light of increasing utlities charges and taxes) is alarming . . .

Mike Crowther Mike Crowther 12:40 pm 13 Jul 08

Miz. Yes. Responding to overwhelming community demand, reopening Hall, Tharwa, Cook and Flynn are CAP policy. (Other closed schools will depend on their communities saying they want them open and demonstrating this with re-enrollments.)

As for planning, it isn’t enough to scrutinize proposals. The actual construction has to be policed. Out at Hall there is a development which is 2M above what was approved. Despite two court cases which the local community won, it’s still there. If it was you or me building a shed in our back yard, we’d have a demolition order on it. This government has either no motive, or no willpower to take on rogue developer$.

I’m not surprised that there are few returns under the prison exchange. The average junkie who goes O/S to act as a drug courier has usually burnt their friends and family too often to have anyone prepared to come up with sufficient cash for an escorted transfer.

Special G Special G 11:46 am 13 Jul 08

Election Promises are like a plastic carrot. They might look crunchy and juicy although a) you never get it and b) it isn’t what you thought it was going to be anyway.

miz miz 11:33 am 13 Jul 08

Mike – slightly off topic, but as you referred to international prisoner transfer – I understood this program was about getting Aus prisoners back to Australia where they have a better chance of rehabilitation than, say, the Bankok Hilton. As I also understand that there are far more prisoners going out than coming back under this scheme, and this results in a substantial net saving to the various State Corrective Services, one wonders why the relevant NSW minister (the widely disliked Hatzistergos) actually insists Aus CITIZENS pay for their transfer back to Australia. Guess who ends up paying (ie, mortgaging their home, borrowing from loan sharks etc) to do this? Their unfortunate family . . .

miz miz 11:16 am 13 Jul 08

I believe CAP would:
1. re-open Hall and Tharwa schools, and possibly Flynn, and
2. will ensure planning proposals are scrutinised properly and the community is properly consulted prior to decision-making (unlike the farcial situation we have now).
Mike, can you confirm?

Mike Crowther Mike Crowther 10:33 am 13 Jul 08

Headbonius. At one stage it was part of my job to prepare ready-for-release prisoners to be picked up by immigration for deportation. Time and again I noted that criminals from certain groups would have their order revoked by the Immigration minister (of both major parties)and they were then free to leave. (I also received our fair share of them back into the system.) I did note that those from organised ethnic communities tended to have their visas re-instated, while Kiwi’s, Poms etc whose compatriots didn’t send their ‘community leaders’ off to see the minister found themselves back in the old country quick as they could blink. It’s not what you do, its how many votes you may be able to pull.

NSW loudly trumpeted a ‘prisoner exchange’ system whereby overseas prisoners would serve their terms at home and Aussies could do likewise. What we actually got was a program where the overseas crim could opt to serve at home should they require. This was very popular with those few prisoners from Scandinavia, but for some reason, had a poor take up rate by Vietnamese and Colombians. (Go figure.)

I would have no power of deportation (see Kevin R). NSW had a case of six Korean crooks who came to Australia on tourist visas cause they’d heard that Sydney’s North Shore was a cool place to do break and enters. They got caught then managed to complete University degrees at state expense whilst serving their ‘holiday time’.

So I will make this promise, if the CAP is elected in October this will not occur in our system. Human rights Act or no.

Headbonius Headbonius 9:04 pm 12 Jul 08

Unfortunately, PM this rarely happens, believe me. More of the “Oh he said sorry, so……he’s sorry, let him stay”

What a load of shite. Pack them up and send them home. Remember the Yugoslav (I think it was) who was deported after committing as string of burglaries and robberies in melbourne? The news showed him sleeping outside the Australian Embassy, Boo Hoo Sob Sob! Lo and behold he’s back. Anyway this is getting of the original thread. If one party can make an election promise of deporting non-citizens who committ serious criminal offences (for what it’w worth in ACT politics) they’ve got my vote.

smiling politely smiling politely 5:54 pm 12 Jul 08

Y’know, I’m getting a little tired of reading these little instances of baiting from the likes of V8-Prius and Headbonius about Sudanese immigrants around the place. Any chance you could keep it on topic?

By all means set it up as another discussion for all the world to see your prejudices. Perhaps you could include some evidence – not just articles about specific instances, which you can do for any ethnic group you choose – but data. We’re living in the most information-rich age ever, so go for it you krazy kids.

I’m certain I saw something in the news a little while ago about how former Immigration Minister Andrews was advised by his department that Sudanese immigrants were not committing offences at a significantly higher rate compared to members of other ethnic groupings, but haven’t been able to quickly find it around the place.

Take a look though at this article in The Herald Sun last year – http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22535636-661,00.html and Media Watch (and oh, how I expect the howls now that I’m quoting this program) here – http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s2054150.htm

Apologies for the lack of web-fu. Looking forward to more information about ACT electioneering.

PM PM 5:20 pm 12 Jul 08

@BerraBoy68 – you are correct. Visas can be cancelled if the person is found to be of “poor character”, or something like that.

BerraBoy68 BerraBoy68 4:10 pm 12 Jul 08

VG – I agree with you (o’oh – there’s a precedent!), but isn’t that pretty much the current system (i.e. you get deported for serious or repeated crimes unless you’re an Aust. citizen)?

bigfeet bigfeet 3:55 pm 12 Jul 08

vg said :

…..and I’m talking about people who come here from the UK just as much as anyone from anywhere else

What…even Kiwi’s? NZ will sink if we send that many of them back.

Jokes aside, I think it’s a great policy but I can see it being unworkable. For a start, many countries will not take them back and we can’t just smuggle them in and leave them there.

But for the countries that will take them… sure, send ’em home.

vg vg 3:17 pm 12 Jul 08

…..and I’m talking about people who come here from the UK just as much as anyone from anywhere else

vg vg 3:11 pm 12 Jul 08

Would it be so bad for people such as the above, who display values such as the above example, to have their citizenship/refugee status revoked and be deported once their sentence is complete? Make their status conditional for a period. i.e. you commit a serious indictable offence such as the above within x years of being granted said status and your ststus is revoked.

Yes keep the broad theme of multiculturalism and tolerance well and truly alive and actively encouraged but if/when people such as the above transgress in the way that they have, then they should be gotten rid of out of this country quick smart.

And before people jump up and down yes, I know we have plenty of home grown idiots that do the same thing, but they are didn’t rock up here and get stuck into something like the above a month after escaping rom ‘something worse’. They brought the ‘something worse’ with them. The hand that was extended to help them should be removed. Might give others with similiar thoughts something to think about

BerraBoy68 BerraBoy68 1:41 pm 12 Jul 08

Headbonius said :

But we need to rethink just how – or even whether – we resettle immigrants whose culture is so very, very different.

Personally I’d go for the HOW rather than the WHETHER, but I think you have a good point Headbonius. I’ve got family in London and that city has been struggling with the same issues, and on a larger scale, for years. A better system of integration, training etc.. has to be found.

But back on topic – Is there a list of all the independents running in the upcoming election out yet? It’d be good to know who’s running to see if they have websites etc.

Headbonius Headbonius 7:23 am 12 Jul 08

A SUDANESE refugee who embarked on a three-day rape spree and sliced an elderly woman’s throat a month after reaching Australia will serve at least the next 17 years in jail.

Hakeem Hakeem, 21, was yesterday sentenced to 24 years’ jail, with a non-parole period of 17 years, for a string of depraved sexual attacks in Melbourne’s southeast in March 2005.

The Supreme Court heard that, just one month after arriving in Australia, Hakeem set out on a drug and alcohol-fuelled campaign of terror on the streets of Dandenong.

Of course one sick criminal does not define a whole community. Of course most Sudanese would be utterly horrified by this attack. Of course many Sudanese will make excellent contributions to this country. Of course, and of course and of course.

But it’s also clear that a worrying number of Sudanese immigrants – coming from a very different culture and a much poorer country with much lower standards of education – are struggling to make their way here and to integrate.

Recent signs of that include a huge brawl, worries by Sudanese parents about their uncontrollable children dropping out, concerns by teachers of a lack of ”life skills”, vicious assaults, and police warnings of gang violence.

A Victorian state school principal has also told how very hard she’s found it to integrate the African students in her school, given how few of them have any English or much respect for authority. What makes her challenge worse, she says, is that she has so many of them, leading then naturally to form a “gang” rather than be forced to assimilate.

We can ignore all this, as we usually, do and shout “racist” at those who point out that we have a problem.

But we need to rethink just how – or even whether – we resettle immigrants whose culture is so very, very different.

peterh peterh 5:40 pm 11 Jul 08

tylersmayhem said :

What’s with all the flack about Sudanese immigrants on here lately?

double posting again….

wanted to know about that too, there are a couple of sudanese families in my street, they are very nice people. house and front yard is immaculate at both addresses. they take more care of their places than that of their neighbors on either sides.

immigrants or not, they seem to be ok, we don’t have any trouble with them, unlike the cowboy hoons with their utes, rm williams stickers (they don’t wear the boots, mind you) and really large spotlights, belting out the latest country tracks from their stereos.

shame that none of them have probably set foot on a farm, done lamb marking, footrot treatment, etc, etc. then they probably would buy the boots…

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