22 October 2012

Election result shift, 8/8/1 a possibility?

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The ABC’s Antony Green has some updated numbers on the possible election outcome.

He’s seeing a chance of Labor getting three seats in Ginninderra at the expense of the Greens’ Meredith Hunter.

This would give us an 8 Labor, 8 Liberal, 1 Green assembly.

With only 84% of the vote counted and little serious preference information we maintain it’s far too early to be calling these close final positions.

And much too early to be horse trading.

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Masquara said :

NoImRight said :

Masquara said :

LSWCHP said :

Look Zed, this “disaffected Labor voter converted to the Libs” schtick was funny for a while but it’s starting to wear a bit thin.

I think you would’ve done a lot better by following the example of your colleague Matt Watts, and simply engaging with the community here under your own name.

What are you basing this nonsense on?

I imagine hes basing it reading your posts.

That is not a basis – it’s misguided speculation.

Id consider it more of a working hypothesis. There does seem to be reasonable evidence to support it too…..

AndrewW said :

With videos like this, you don’t need an imagination:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxst4C4hFygGwB6udUL6tMA

This. Is. A*Mazing.
John Moulis’ Seminude Serenades are the kind of YouTube coverage that Canberra deserves, rather than the coverage it wants.

( and if he thinks this swayed the election, more power to him)

Did anyone actually win the ACT election?

Seems the population is pretty much split between dumb and dumber (and if you count the one green fellow) and dumbest.

AndrewW said :

54-11 said :

LSWCHP said :

The tentacles of John’s media organisation obviously haven’t yet probed as far as he would like.

Jeez, I’m glad I don’t have an over-active imagination, or that post would conjure up all sorts of strange thoughts.

With videos like this, you don’t need an imagination:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxst4C4hFygGwB6udUL6tMA

I wish you hadn’t done that, Andrew. That has got to be one of the sickest things I’ve ever seen (or part seen).

Masquara said :

NoImRight said :

That is not a basis – it’s misguided speculation.

Whatever you reckon Zeddy boy!

NoImRight said :

Masquara said :

LSWCHP said :

Look Zed, this “disaffected Labor voter converted to the Libs” schtick was funny for a while but it’s starting to wear a bit thin.

I think you would’ve done a lot better by following the example of your colleague Matt Watts, and simply engaging with the community here under your own name.

What are you basing this nonsense on?

I imagine hes basing it reading your posts.

That is not a basis – it’s misguided speculation.

Masquara said :

LSWCHP said :

Look Zed, this “disaffected Labor voter converted to the Libs” schtick was funny for a while but it’s starting to wear a bit thin.

I think you would’ve done a lot better by following the example of your colleague Matt Watts, and simply engaging with the community here under your own name.

What are you basing this nonsense on?

I imagine hes basing it reading your posts.

How about Zed vs Katy in a dance-off to decide who will lead the ACT?

c_c™ said :

Elizabeth Lee didn’t make it in, damn good to see. At least that’s one selfish egomaniac who won’t get in. Had she won, the campaign office and branded vehicle may have set a new trend and looked smart. But now it just looks stupid and wasteful.

It’s called brand recognition. Look it up. Elizabeth is easily one of the nicest and least egotistical people that ran, but people already knew Jeremy, Steve, even Giulia. They didn’t know Elizabeth from a bar of soap, and she needed to get her face out there so that when she did the hard yards doorknocking, meeting people at shopping centres, etc, they wouldn’t respond with ‘er, who ARE you?’.

54-11 said :

LSWCHP said :

The tentacles of John’s media organisation obviously haven’t yet probed as far as he would like.

Jeez, I’m glad I don’t have an over-active imagination, or that post would conjure up all sorts of strange thoughts.

With videos like this, you don’t need an imagination:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxst4C4hFygGwB6udUL6tMA

John Moulis said :

Thank you to the people of Canberra for responding to my YouTube videos and letter to The Canberra Times and almost completely exterminating The Greens….

After reading this rubbish, I’ve never more wanted to vote Green in my life.

Does this thread mean ABC election analyst Antony Green gets the Mully? Please, please, let it be so!

54-11 said :

LSWCHP said :

Deckard said :

John Moulis said :

Thank you to the people of Canberra for responding to my YouTube videos and letter to The Canberra Times and almost completely exterminating The Greens.

And who the f*** are you?

The tentacles of John’s media organisation obviously haven’t yet probed as far as he would like.

Jeez, I’m glad I don’t have an over-active imagination, or that post would conjure up all sorts of strange thoughts.

As long as you keep those Cthulhoid thoughts to yourself, everything will be OK.

LSWCHP said :

Deckard said :

John Moulis said :

Thank you to the people of Canberra for responding to my YouTube videos and letter to The Canberra Times and almost completely exterminating The Greens.

And who the f*** are you?

The tentacles of John’s media organisation obviously haven’t yet probed as far as he would like.

Jeez, I’m glad I don’t have an over-active imagination, or that post would conjure up all sorts of strange thoughts.

Deckard said :

John Moulis said :

Thank you to the people of Canberra for responding to my YouTube videos and letter to The Canberra Times and almost completely exterminating The Greens.

And who the f*** are you?

The tentacles of John’s media organisation obviously haven’t yet probed as far as he would like.

John Moulis said :

Thank you to the people of Canberra for responding to my YouTube videos and letter to The Canberra Times and almost completely exterminating The Greens. I thought it would take at least two elections to whittle down the influence of The Greens in left wing Canberra, but the fact we managed to achieve way beyond my expectations literally overnight is very satisfying indeed.

I was surprised at the clear air I received on YouTube. None of the parties or candidates posted their own videos and if you typed ACT Election into the YT search engine, my videos were the only ones which came up. I can’t understand why nobody else campaigned via YouTube, perhaps they thought it wasn’t local enough.

Congrats to the voters are also due for the huge swing to the Liberals. I said in my videos that it was time for a change and a fresh start with a new government and new chief minister, and the majority of voters agreed.

Shane Rattenbury now has a moral obligation to put Zed in as chief minister since the Liberals won more votes than Labor.

Yes, I’m sure those 79 total views of your YouTube videos had a huge impact on public opinion. Well done, sir, for championing your right-wing cause and reaching ever so many people.

Pity it was most likely all for nothing seeing as the Greens hold the balance of power and a Labor/Greens minority government is the most likely outcome.

Deckard said :

John Moulis said :

Thank you to the people of Canberra for responding to my YouTube videos and letter to The Canberra Times and almost completely exterminating The Greens.

And who the f*** are you?

He’s the bloke who used YouTube to tell us to exterminate the Greens.

Don’t you know anything…?

John Moulis said :

I thought it would take at least two elections to whittle down the influence of The Greens in left wing Canberra, but the fact we managed to achieve way beyond my expectations literally overnight is very satisfying indeed.

Umm, you do realise the Greens still hold the balance of power in this assembly?

John Moulis said :

Thank you to the people of Canberra for responding to my YouTube videos and letter to The Canberra Times and almost completely exterminating The Greens.

And who the f*** are you?

Thank you to the people of Canberra for responding to my YouTube videos and letter to The Canberra Times and almost completely exterminating The Greens. I thought it would take at least two elections to whittle down the influence of The Greens in left wing Canberra, but the fact we managed to achieve way beyond my expectations literally overnight is very satisfying indeed.

I was surprised at the clear air I received on YouTube. None of the parties or candidates posted their own videos and if you typed ACT Election into the YT search engine, my videos were the only ones which came up. I can’t understand why nobody else campaigned via YouTube, perhaps they thought it wasn’t local enough.

Congrats to the voters are also due for the huge swing to the Liberals. I said in my videos that it was time for a change and a fresh start with a new government and new chief minister, and the majority of voters agreed.

Shane Rattenbury now has a moral obligation to put Zed in as chief minister since the Liberals won more votes than Labor.

Tetranitrate6:47 pm 27 Oct 12

c_c™ said :

Elizabeth Lee didn’t make it in, damn good to see. At least that’s one selfish egomaniac who won’t get in. Had she won, the campaign office and branded vehicle may have set a new trend and looked smart. But now it just looks stupid and wasteful.

As much as I agree, she’d still be a step above Julia with a G – the woman seems to have spent most of her working life either working for a Liberal MP or seeking election, here and elsewhere.

The Traineediplomat6:20 pm 27 Oct 12

I voted for Kodos, but can’t see how he did? Rigellians FTW!

Oh, for the love of god, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, odds looked bad for Simon Corbell but he got back in. I suspect we’ll hear his retirement during the next Assembly though assuming a count-back would put another Labor MLA in.

I wonder if anyone really foresaw the wipeout the Greens would have. I sure suspected one might go, but three getting kicked to the curb is a disaster. I think they’re paying for watering down their core identity while overplaying their hand on some issues. In the end, they don’t feel like a safe vote.

Elizabeth Lee didn’t make it in, damn good to see. At least that’s one selfish egomaniac who won’t get in. Had she won, the campaign office and branded vehicle may have set a new trend and looked smart. But now it just looks stupid and wasteful.

Shane Rattenbury really should move to the federal sphere.

His is a face made for cartooning and warrants a national audience …

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-27/final-act-election-count/4337186

LSWCHP said :

Look Zed, this “disaffected Labor voter converted to the Libs” schtick was funny for a while but it’s starting to wear a bit thin.

I think you would’ve done a lot better by following the example of your colleague Matt Watts, and simply engaging with the community here under your own name.

What are you basing this nonsense on?

From the elections ACT website:

With the completion of the distribution of preferences for the ACT Legislative Assembly election, the Electoral Commissioner, Mr Phil Green, today announced the names of those candidates to be elected to the Assembly to represent Canberra’s three electorates.

Candidates to be elected, in the order in which they were successful in the count, are:

Brindabella

* Zed Seselja

* Joy Burch

* Brendan Smyth

* Mick Gentleman

* Andrew Wall

Ginninderra

* Alistair Coe

* Vicki Dunne

* Mary Porter

* Chris Bourke

* Yvette Berry

Molonglo

* Katy Gallagher

* Jeremy Hanson

* Andrew Barr

* Simon Corbell

* Shane Rattenbury

* Giulia Jones

* Steve Doszpot

If I was Shane Rattenbury, I’d be supporting the Libs on the condition that someone other than Zed is CM. But that’s me.

justin heywood3:56 pm 27 Oct 12

neanderthalsis said :

There’s only about 50 votes in it, but the libs are ahead. it has swapped around a few times in recent days. However, if you werwe to add in the 23k greens votes to the labour numbers, that puts the leftist vote (as opposed to the “progressive vote” which seems to have become current nonclementure despite Labor or greens not being truly progressive) well ahead.

Unless we see some radical changes and a shift to constructive government, my prediction is that after another four years of a Labor-Greens minority government, the Greens will cease to be an effective political force, Labor will be so stale that they are unelectable and the Libs will a win a clear majority on an anyone but Labor/Greens swing.

Yep, that’s my prediction too. Ratttenbury will need to be very careful if he holds the balance of power – he would be a very convenient whipping-boy for all sides when things get ugly (and they will). At any rate the Greens can hardly claim to have a mandate to do anything much.

By any measure, the Greens have had their arses kicked severely, desrvedly so in my opinion. They abused the power they had. If he stuffs it up this time around, that will be the end of them.

Holden Caulfield3:41 pm 27 Oct 12

It’s all over.

http://www.elections.act.gov.au/elections_and_voting/2012_act_legislative_assembly_election/2012_election_results

Brindabella
* Zed Seselja
* Joy Burch
* Brendan Smyth
* Mick Gentleman
* Andrew Wall

Ginninderra
* Alistair Coe
* Vicki Dunne
* Mary Porter
* Chris Bourke
* Yvette Berry

Molonglo
* Katy Gallagher
* Jeremy Hanson
* Andrew Barr
* Simon Corbell
* Shane Rattenbury
* Giulia Jones
* Steve Doszpot

Masquara said :

bundah said :

Well according to the latest info 8/8/1 is now a lay down misere with the Greens heading for a near wipeout and Corbell was ahead of Megan Fitzharris!

Rattenbury should consider forming a minority government with the Liberals – because he could probably very much modify their stance on environment matters (except that the Greens never mention the environment these days). That said, he could see if he can provide a model for functional alliance and modification of policy in other states and at federal level. Because if the Greens don’t demonstrate that they can operate differently, they’re going to be obliterated nationwide. Strange bedfellows, certainly, but with the LIberals and Labor not so wide apart on policy matters in this jurisdiction, the ACT would be the place for the experiment.
Also, if he holds the balance of power in a Labor/Green minority government, it will be same-old-same-old, and he risks being blamed all over the shop. If he strikes out and tries the Libs, he will probably get considerable credit.

Look Zed, this “disaffected Labor voter converted to the Libs” schtick was funny for a while but it’s starting to wear a bit thin.

I think you would’ve done a lot better by following the example of your colleague Matt Watts, and simply engaging with the community here under your own name.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Masquara said :

Rattenbury should consider forming a minority government with the Liberals – …..

That is just ridiculous, even for you.

Actually, it sounds like nonsense, but he has put his finger on the Greens’ problem.

If the people want a Labor government, they will vote Labor. And if they want to vote for madcap leftie nonsense, they will vote for the Socialist Alliance.

Helping the ALP form a government then participating in the ALP’s typical attacks on social conservatism and assisting in brushing the Hospital finding fraud under the government is the reason the Greens were demolished.

They need to think about their platform and their raison-d’etre.

In general, the people most likely to swing and vote Green are the more educated and the better off. These people are less likely to need Unions and more likely to send their children to private schools.

The Greens aren’t going to get anywhere trying to appeal to the socialist principles of those who are either die-hard and unshakeably ALP-supporting unionists or ex-Uni students who are all rapidly growing up, sending their children to private schools and voting Liberal.

And another important lesson for the Greens’ embracing of trendy nonsense is Andrew Barr’s tally. Pandering to the homosexual lobby (as with any other vocal fringe) just doesn’t bring the votes in.

neanderthalsis2:09 pm 27 Oct 12

Masquara said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Given that, on current figures, the ALP and Libs will hold the same number of seats, and that the ALP has the highest vote, Mr Seseslja, by his own standards, must accept Labor’s right to govern.

Ping! Liberals now have the highest vote – since mid week – or did it revert?

There’s only about 50 votes in it, but the libs are ahead. it has swapped around a few times in recent days. However, if you werwe to add in the 23k greens votes to the labour numbers, that puts the leftist vote (as opposed to the “progressive vote” which seems to have become current nonclementure despite Labor or greens not being truly progressive) well ahead.

Unless we see some radical changes and a shift to constructive government, my prediction is that after another four years of a Labor-Greens minority government, the Greens will cease to be an effective political force, Labor will be so stale that they are unelectable and the Libs will a win a clear majority on an anyone but Labor/Greens swing.

RedDogInCan said :

Masquara said :

Rattenbury should consider forming a minority government with the Liberals

There is actually no reason he has to support one side over the other. He could just as easily form a government using members from both sides. Now that would be an experimental government.

Seeing as – according to some people on here – he holds such an inordinate amount of power, he can just form a minority government with himself.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Given that, on current figures, the ALP and Libs will hold the same number of seats, and that the ALP has the highest vote, Mr Seseslja, by his own standards, must accept Labor’s right to govern.

Ping! Liberals now have the highest vote – since mid week – or did it revert?

RedDogInCan said :

Masquara said :

Rattenbury should consider forming a minority government with the Liberals

There is actually no reason he has to support one side over the other. He could just as easily form a government using members from both sides. Now that would be an experimental government.

I’d like to see a unity government, with ministers chosen on individual merits rather than party affiliation, especially with such a small assembly and so few members to pick from, but the only way that could happen would be if Rattenbury demanded the Chief Minister job, which in turn gives him power to select which MLAs become ministers.

Masquara said :

Rattenbury should consider forming a minority government with the Liberals

There is actually no reason he has to support one side over the other. He could just as easily form a government using members from both sides. Now that would be an experimental government.

colourful sydney racing identity1:36 pm 26 Oct 12

Given that, on current figures, the ALP and Libs will hold the same number of seats, and that the ALP has the highest vote, Mr Seseslja, by his own standards, must accept Labor’s right to govern.

Postalgeek said :

Masquara said :

bundah said :

Well according to the latest info 8/8/1 is now a lay down misere with the Greens heading for a near wipeout and Corbell was ahead of Megan Fitzharris!

Rattenbury should consider forming a minority government with the Liberals – because he could probably very much modify their stance on environment matters (except that the Greens never mention the environment these days). That said, he could see if he can provide a model for functional alliance and modification of policy in other states and at federal level. Because if the Greens don’t demonstrate that they can operate differently, they’re going to be obliterated nationwide. Strange bedfellows, certainly, but with the LIberals and Labor not so wide apart on policy matters in this jurisdiction, the ACT would be the place for the experiment.
Also, if he holds the balance of power in a Labor/Green minority government, it will be same-old-same-old, and he risks being blamed all over the shop. If he strikes out and tries the Libs, he will probably get considerable credit.

Somehow I doubt Rattenbury’s supporters had the Liberals as their second preference.

The Labor Party and the Liberal Party should form a coalition against THE Green…there is clearly a mandate!

colourful sydney racing identity1:32 pm 26 Oct 12

Masquara said :

bundah said :

Well according to the latest info 8/8/1 is now a lay down misere with the Greens heading for a near wipeout and Corbell was ahead of Megan Fitzharris!

Rattenbury should consider forming a minority government with the Liberals – because he could probably very much modify their stance on environment matters (except that the Greens never mention the environment these days). That said, he could see if he can provide a model for functional alliance and modification of policy in other states and at federal level. Because if the Greens don’t demonstrate that they can operate differently, they’re going to be obliterated nationwide. Strange bedfellows, certainly, but with the LIberals and Labor not so wide apart on policy matters in this jurisdiction, the ACT would be the place for the experiment.
Also, if he holds the balance of power in a Labor/Green minority government, it will be same-old-same-old, and he risks being blamed all over the shop. If he strikes out and tries the Libs, he will probably get considerable credit.

That is just ridiculous, even for you.

Masquara said :

bundah said :

Well according to the latest info 8/8/1 is now a lay down misere with the Greens heading for a near wipeout and Corbell was ahead of Megan Fitzharris!

Rattenbury should consider forming a minority government with the Liberals – because he could probably very much modify their stance on environment matters (except that the Greens never mention the environment these days). That said, he could see if he can provide a model for functional alliance and modification of policy in other states and at federal level. Because if the Greens don’t demonstrate that they can operate differently, they’re going to be obliterated nationwide. Strange bedfellows, certainly, but with the LIberals and Labor not so wide apart on policy matters in this jurisdiction, the ACT would be the place for the experiment.
Also, if he holds the balance of power in a Labor/Green minority government, it will be same-old-same-old, and he risks being blamed all over the shop. If he strikes out and tries the Libs, he will probably get considerable credit.

Somehow I doubt Rattenbury’s supporters had the Liberals as their second preference.

Masquara said :

bundah said :

Well according to the latest info 8/8/1 is now a lay down misere with the Greens heading for a near wipeout and Corbell was ahead of Megan Fitzharris!

Rattenbury should consider forming a minority government with the Liberals – because he could probably very much modify their stance on environment matters (except that the Greens never mention the environment these days). That said, he could see if he can provide a model for functional alliance and modification of policy in other states and at federal level. Because if the Greens don’t demonstrate that they can operate differently, they’re going to be obliterated nationwide. Strange bedfellows, certainly, but with the LIberals and Labor not so wide apart on policy matters in this jurisdiction, the ACT would be the place for the experiment.
Also, if he holds the balance of power in a Labor/Green minority government, it will be same-old-same-old, and he risks being blamed all over the shop. If he strikes out and tries the Libs, he will probably get considerable credit.

I hope you arent just a volunteer. The Libs really should be paying you for your efforts.

bundah said :

Well according to the latest info 8/8/1 is now a lay down misere with the Greens heading for a near wipeout and Corbell was ahead of Megan Fitzharris!

Rattenbury should consider forming a minority government with the Liberals – because he could probably very much modify their stance on environment matters (except that the Greens never mention the environment these days). That said, he could see if he can provide a model for functional alliance and modification of policy in other states and at federal level. Because if the Greens don’t demonstrate that they can operate differently, they’re going to be obliterated nationwide. Strange bedfellows, certainly, but with the LIberals and Labor not so wide apart on policy matters in this jurisdiction, the ACT would be the place for the experiment.
Also, if he holds the balance of power in a Labor/Green minority government, it will be same-old-same-old, and he risks being blamed all over the shop. If he strikes out and tries the Libs, he will probably get considerable credit.

Well according to the latest info 8/8/1 is now a lay down misere with the Greens heading for a near wipeout and Corbell was ahead of Megan Fitzharris!

Hey this game looks like fun.

Nah,nah, na nah, all the Greens voters like them cause of trees and stuff. They’re all retarded hippies who sit around smoking bongs all day.

Actually ill take that back, its not fun at all. Carry on.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd5:59 pm 25 Oct 12

Mysteryman said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Chic himself said his constituency is 35 year old males – slightly limiting.

There was a swing to Labor and a swing away from the AMP, but yeah, they have struck a chord with voters and are going from strength to strength. They get votes because they are a protest party, they will get smashed at the next election should the Pirates Party be properly registered.

Hmmmn, maybe I was being harsh, after all they did out poll informal votes in Ginninderra, sadly not in Molonglo or Brindabella…

Even if they are a protest party, the fact they get votes suggests that people like something about them and what they stand for.

It does not suggest that at all. Infant all it suggests is there ate many retard bogans in this town.

So… what a minute… “no it doesn’t. Yes it does” is your argument? Stellar effort, champ.

Wha??? That makes even less sense than my auto corrected mess above.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Chic himself said his constituency is 35 year old males – slightly limiting.

There was a swing to Labor and a swing away from the AMP, but yeah, they have struck a chord with voters and are going from strength to strength. They get votes because they are a protest party, they will get smashed at the next election should the Pirates Party be properly registered.

Hmmmn, maybe I was being harsh, after all they did out poll informal votes in Ginninderra, sadly not in Molonglo or Brindabella…

Even if they are a protest party, the fact they get votes suggests that people like something about them and what they stand for.

I am sure some people do like something about them. I am equally sure that if you asked people who voted for them, the majority would not know what they actually stood for.

That’s probably true. But I think the same could be said about many voters or varying political persuasions. There’s a lot of “I’m voting for [insert party here] because my parents did/I always have”. I’m sure a lot of people didn’t understand the policies.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Chic himself said his constituency is 35 year old males – slightly limiting.

There was a swing to Labor and a swing away from the AMP, but yeah, they have struck a chord with voters and are going from strength to strength. They get votes because they are a protest party, they will get smashed at the next election should the Pirates Party be properly registered.

Hmmmn, maybe I was being harsh, after all they did out poll informal votes in Ginninderra, sadly not in Molonglo or Brindabella…

Even if they are a protest party, the fact they get votes suggests that people like something about them and what they stand for.

It does not suggest that at all. Infant all it suggests is there ate many retard bogans in this town.

So… what a minute… “no it doesn’t. Yes it does” is your argument? Stellar effort, champ.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd4:43 pm 25 Oct 12

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Chic himself said his constituency is 35 year old males – slightly limiting.

There was a swing to Labor and a swing away from the AMP, but yeah, they have struck a chord with voters and are going from strength to strength. They get votes because they are a protest party, they will get smashed at the next election should the Pirates Party be properly registered.

Hmmmn, maybe I was being harsh, after all they did out poll informal votes in Ginninderra, sadly not in Molonglo or Brindabella…

Even if they are a protest party, the fact they get votes suggests that people like something about them and what they stand for.

It does not suggest that at all. Infant all it suggests is there ate many retard bogans in this town.

rhino said :

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Chic himself said his constituency is 35 year old males – slightly limiting.

There was a swing to Labor and a swing away from the AMP, but yeah, they have struck a chord with voters and are going from strength to strength. They get votes because they are a protest party, they will get smashed at the next election should the Pirates Party be properly registered.

Hmmmn, maybe I was being harsh, after all they did out poll informal votes in Ginninderra, sadly not in Molonglo or Brindabella…

Even if they are a protest party, the fact they get votes suggests that people like something about them and what they stand for.

Indeed. I think it’s a bit pretentious to presume that anyone who votes for that party has no goals in mind. And the quotes given for their policies (show us yar teets and vroom vroom) are a bit offensively arrogant to be honest. How about quoting actual policies for the party and disagreeing with them. Or quoting things they have actually said or that someone has said as the reason they like them and disagreeing with those. To just make up these things to belittle people is just immature.

Their policies were largely confined to ‘VROOM VROOM CARS’ and ‘TERK ER JERRBS’, neither of which have a big personal appeal.

neanderthalsis said :

unless we have a bogan pogrom in the weeks prior to voting

Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

colourful sydney racing identity3:41 pm 25 Oct 12

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Chic himself said his constituency is 35 year old males – slightly limiting.

There was a swing to Labor and a swing away from the AMP, but yeah, they have struck a chord with voters and are going from strength to strength. They get votes because they are a protest party, they will get smashed at the next election should the Pirates Party be properly registered.

Hmmmn, maybe I was being harsh, after all they did out poll informal votes in Ginninderra, sadly not in Molonglo or Brindabella…

Even if they are a protest party, the fact they get votes suggests that people like something about them and what they stand for.

I am sure some people do like something about them. I am equally sure that if you asked people who voted for them, the majority would not know what they actually stood for.

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Chic himself said his constituency is 35 year old males – slightly limiting.

There was a swing to Labor and a swing away from the AMP, but yeah, they have struck a chord with voters and are going from strength to strength. They get votes because they are a protest party, they will get smashed at the next election should the Pirates Party be properly registered.

Hmmmn, maybe I was being harsh, after all they did out poll informal votes in Ginninderra, sadly not in Molonglo or Brindabella…

Even if they are a protest party, the fact they get votes suggests that people like something about them and what they stand for.

Indeed. I think it’s a bit pretentious to presume that anyone who votes for that party has no goals in mind. And the quotes given for their policies (show us yar teets and vroom vroom) are a bit offensively arrogant to be honest. How about quoting actual policies for the party and disagreeing with them. Or quoting things they have actually said or that someone has said as the reason they like them and disagreeing with those. To just make up these things to belittle people is just immature.

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Chic himself said his constituency is 35 year old males – slightly limiting.

There was a swing to Labor and a swing away from the AMP, but yeah, they have struck a chord with voters and are going from strength to strength. They get votes because they are a protest party, they will get smashed at the next election should the Pirates Party be properly registered.

Hmmmn, maybe I was being harsh, after all they did out poll informal votes in Ginninderra, sadly not in Molonglo or Brindabella…

Even if they are a protest party, the fact they get votes suggests that people like something about them and what they stand for.

Um … cars?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Chic himself said his constituency is 35 year old males – slightly limiting.

There was a swing to Labor and a swing away from the AMP, but yeah, they have struck a chord with voters and are going from strength to strength. They get votes because they are a protest party, they will get smashed at the next election should the Pirates Party be properly registered.

Hmmmn, maybe I was being harsh, after all they did out poll informal votes in Ginninderra, sadly not in Molonglo or Brindabella…

Even if they are a protest party, the fact they get votes suggests that people like something about them and what they stand for.

Jim Jones said :

Mysteryman said :

plausibly_deniable said :

Can someone help me understand why someone would vote for the Motorists’ Party?

Because people in Canberra, like it or not, need cars. This is despite the Labor/Green government’s insistence that Action buses are the bees knees and everyone should use them (I’m yet to see an MLA catching the bus), and their continuous poor decision making in relation to roads, cars, registration, etc.

Canberra needs less MLAs hung up on the “state level” decisions, and more MLAs who will pay attention to what constituents want at the “council level” – roads, for instance. That’s where the motorist party comes in. Considering that a vast majority of Canberrans are motorists, it seems logical that someone might want to represent them.

I’m sure they aren’t popular with the high and mighty of RA who vote on based on strong party allegiance or political ideology, but it’s evident from the number of votes Chic Henry has received that the Motorist party has struck a chord with voters.

Lol.

People vote for the motorist party because VROOM VROOM CAR GO FAST VROOM VROOM.

Actually using cars as transport has f#%-all to do with it. People vote Liberal, Labor, Green, Independent (hell, maybe even that Marion Le social justice party) and drive cars. You don’t need a ‘motorist party’ because you drive cars anymore than we need a ‘cyclist party’ or ‘skateboard party’.

Wonderfully specious reasoning. Well done.

colourful sydney racing identity2:53 pm 25 Oct 12

neanderthalsis said :

The only reason Labor had an overall swing to them was the Katy factor in Molonglo. The other two electorates saw a swing from labor. In Ginninderra, where chic ran, there was a swing to the AMP..

The interesting thing is that Labor lost the CM vote in Ginnninderra (coupled with a long standing members), and only saw a drop of ~0.3%.

neanderthalsis2:27 pm 25 Oct 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

plausibly_deniable said :

Can someone help me understand why someone would vote for the Motorists’ Party?

Because people in Canberra, like it or not, need cars. This is despite the Labor/Green government’s insistence that Action buses are the bees knees and everyone should use them (I’m yet to see an MLA catching the bus), and their continuous poor decision making in relation to roads, cars, registration, etc.

Canberra needs less MLAs hung up on the “state level” decisions, and more MLAs who will pay attention to what constituents want at the “council level” – roads, for instance. That’s where the motorist party comes in. Considering that a vast majority of Canberrans are motorists, it seems logical that someone might want to represent them.

I’m sure they aren’t popular with the high and mighty of RA who vote on based on strong party allegiance or political ideology, but it’s evident from the number of votes Chic Henry has received that the Motorist party has struck a chord with voters.

Chic himself said his constituency is 35 year old males – slightly limiting.

There was a swing to Labor and a swing away from the AMP, but yeah, they have struck a chord with voters and are going from strength to strength. They get votes because they are a protest party, they will get smashed at the next election should the Pirates Party be properly registered.

The only reason Labor had an overall swing to them was the Katy factor in Molonglo. The other two electorates saw a swing from labor. In Ginninderra, where chic ran, there was a swing to the AMP.

As for the getting smashed at the next election, unless we have a bogan pogrom in the weeks prior to voting, they will always get a certain element that will vote for them, in much the same way as the Pococks of this world will always have a certain element that likes their particular form of narrow minded bigotry.

Note, I am a 35 YO male, I drive a V8, I didn’t vote AMP.

DrKoresh said :

NoImRight said :

Mysteryman said :

Canberra needs less MLAs hung up on the “state level” decisions, and more MLAs who will pay attention to what constituents want at the “council level” – roads, for instance. That’s where the motorist party comes in. Considering that a vast majority of Canberrans are motorists, it seems logical that someone might want to represent them.

I’m sure they aren’t popular with the high and mighty of RA who vote on based on strong party allegiance or political ideology, but it’s evident from the number of votes Chic Henry has received that the Motorist party has struck a chord with voters.

I might start up the Oxygen Party then.

It’s pointless, all political opposition will be swept aside by the People with Legs Party.

Youre suggesting people with legs outnumber those that breathe? Dammit I hadnt considered the Zombie factor!

colourful sydney racing identity1:47 pm 25 Oct 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Chic himself said his constituency is 35 year old males – slightly limiting.

There was a swing to Labor and a swing away from the AMP, but yeah, they have struck a chord with voters and are going from strength to strength. They get votes because they are a protest party, they will get smashed at the next election should the Pirates Party be properly registered.

Hmmmn, maybe I was being harsh, after all they did out poll informal votes in Ginninderra, sadly not in Molonglo or Brindabella…

NoImRight said :

Mysteryman said :

Canberra needs less MLAs hung up on the “state level” decisions, and more MLAs who will pay attention to what constituents want at the “council level” – roads, for instance. That’s where the motorist party comes in. Considering that a vast majority of Canberrans are motorists, it seems logical that someone might want to represent them.

I’m sure they aren’t popular with the high and mighty of RA who vote on based on strong party allegiance or political ideology, but it’s evident from the number of votes Chic Henry has received that the Motorist party has struck a chord with voters.

I might start up the Oxygen Party then.

It’s pointless, all political opposition will be swept aside by the People with Legs Party.

plausibly_deniable said :

Can someone help me understand why someone would vote for the Motorists’ Party?

I think their voters are people who can’t see why government has to be so complicated. Why can’t government just do what THEY want, and not get all mixed up with other, useless things? They want things simple, they’re quite certain that things really are simple, and the Motorists party appeals to that view.

Fortunately, children aren’t allowed to vote, otherwise the Motorists would do rather well.

plausibly_deniable said :

Can someone help me understand why someone would vote for the Motorists’ Party?

Because there’s a proportion of the electorate for whom SHOW US YA TITS is the highest comprehensible form of political discourse.

Mysteryman said :

plausibly_deniable said :

Can someone help me understand why someone would vote for the Motorists’ Party?

Because people in Canberra, like it or not, need cars. This is despite the Labor/Green government’s insistence that Action buses are the bees knees and everyone should use them (I’m yet to see an MLA catching the bus), and their continuous poor decision making in relation to roads, cars, registration, etc.

Canberra needs less MLAs hung up on the “state level” decisions, and more MLAs who will pay attention to what constituents want at the “council level” – roads, for instance. That’s where the motorist party comes in. Considering that a vast majority of Canberrans are motorists, it seems logical that someone might want to represent them.

I’m sure they aren’t popular with the high and mighty of RA who vote on based on strong party allegiance or political ideology, but it’s evident from the number of votes Chic Henry has received that the Motorist party has struck a chord with voters.

I might start up the Oxygen Party then.

colourful sydney racing identity12:27 pm 25 Oct 12

Jim Jones said :

Mysteryman said :

plausibly_deniable said :

Can someone help me understand why someone would vote for the Motorists’ Party?

Because people in Canberra, like it or not, need cars. This is despite the Labor/Green government’s insistence that Action buses are the bees knees and everyone should use them (I’m yet to see an MLA catching the bus), and their continuous poor decision making in relation to roads, cars, registration, etc.

Canberra needs less MLAs hung up on the “state level” decisions, and more MLAs who will pay attention to what constituents want at the “council level” – roads, for instance. That’s where the motorist party comes in. Considering that a vast majority of Canberrans are motorists, it seems logical that someone might want to represent them.

I’m sure they aren’t popular with the high and mighty of RA who vote on based on strong party allegiance or political ideology, but it’s evident from the number of votes Chic Henry has received that the Motorist party has struck a chord with voters.

Lol.

People vote for the motorist party because VROOM VROOM CAR GO FAST VROOM VROOM.

Actually using cars as transport has f#%-all to do with it. People vote Liberal, Labor, Green, Independent (hell, maybe even that Marion Le social justice party) and drive cars. You don’t need a ‘motorist party’ because you drive cars anymore than we need a ‘cyclist party’ or ‘skateboard party’.

You’re having a skateboard party? Gnarly.

colourful sydney racing identity12:21 pm 25 Oct 12

Mysteryman said :

plausibly_deniable said :

Can someone help me understand why someone would vote for the Motorists’ Party?

Because people in Canberra, like it or not, need cars. This is despite the Labor/Green government’s insistence that Action buses are the bees knees and everyone should use them (I’m yet to see an MLA catching the bus), and their continuous poor decision making in relation to roads, cars, registration, etc.

Canberra needs less MLAs hung up on the “state level” decisions, and more MLAs who will pay attention to what constituents want at the “council level” – roads, for instance. That’s where the motorist party comes in. Considering that a vast majority of Canberrans are motorists, it seems logical that someone might want to represent them.

I’m sure they aren’t popular with the high and mighty of RA who vote on based on strong party allegiance or political ideology, but it’s evident from the number of votes Chic Henry has received that the Motorist party has struck a chord with voters.

Chic himself said his constituency is 35 year old males – slightly limiting.

There was a swing to Labor and a swing away from the AMP, but yeah, they have struck a chord with voters and are going from strength to strength. They get votes because they are a protest party, they will get smashed at the next election should the Pirates Party be properly registered.

Mysteryman said :

plausibly_deniable said :

Can someone help me understand why someone would vote for the Motorists’ Party?

Because people in Canberra, like it or not, need cars. This is despite the Labor/Green government’s insistence that Action buses are the bees knees and everyone should use them (I’m yet to see an MLA catching the bus), and their continuous poor decision making in relation to roads, cars, registration, etc.

Canberra needs less MLAs hung up on the “state level” decisions, and more MLAs who will pay attention to what constituents want at the “council level” – roads, for instance. That’s where the motorist party comes in. Considering that a vast majority of Canberrans are motorists, it seems logical that someone might want to represent them.

I’m sure they aren’t popular with the high and mighty of RA who vote on based on strong party allegiance or political ideology, but it’s evident from the number of votes Chic Henry has received that the Motorist party has struck a chord with voters.

Lol.

People vote for the motorist party because VROOM VROOM CAR GO FAST VROOM VROOM.

Actually using cars as transport has f#%-all to do with it. People vote Liberal, Labor, Green, Independent (hell, maybe even that Marion Le social justice party) and drive cars. You don’t need a ‘motorist party’ because you drive cars anymore than we need a ‘cyclist party’ or ‘skateboard party’.

plausibly_deniable said :

Can someone help me understand why someone would vote for the Motorists’ Party?

Because people in Canberra, like it or not, need cars. This is despite the Labor/Green government’s insistence that Action buses are the bees knees and everyone should use them (I’m yet to see an MLA catching the bus), and their continuous poor decision making in relation to roads, cars, registration, etc.

Canberra needs less MLAs hung up on the “state level” decisions, and more MLAs who will pay attention to what constituents want at the “council level” – roads, for instance. That’s where the motorist party comes in. Considering that a vast majority of Canberrans are motorists, it seems logical that someone might want to represent them.

I’m sure they aren’t popular with the high and mighty of RA who vote on based on strong party allegiance or political ideology, but it’s evident from the number of votes Chic Henry has received that the Motorist party has struck a chord with voters.

johnboy said :

I’m still waiting to see how the preferences flop. There’s an assumption Meredith will get strong preferences from the other Greens candidates. On the other hand those voters already decided not to give her the 1 vote.

with votes counted as at 24 October, 6pm,

In Ginninderra, roughly 70% of the votes for the losing greens candidates immediately transfer to Hunter. (70% of the vote remains in the party)

In Ginninderra, roughly 85% of the votes for the losing Lib/Lab candidates immediately transfer to other Lib/Lab candidates. (85% of the vote remains in the party)

source: http://www.elections.act.gov.au/elections_and_voting/2012_act_legislative_assembly_election/2012_election_results
, Ginninderra table 2 (excel)

Postalgeek said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

plausibly_deniable said :

Can someone help me understand why someone would vote for the Motorists’ Party?

Vrooom, vrooooom, getoutamyway, I’m a motorist, show us ya tits! Wooooooo vrooooom.

Hope that clarifies.

I like point 5.

Good policy 🙂

But would they accept a fat chick’s vote?

That’d probably full under the “moped” rule: they’re fun to ride, but you wouldn’t want your mates to see you with one.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

plausibly_deniable said :

Can someone help me understand why someone would vote for the Motorists’ Party?

Vrooom, vrooooom, getoutamyway, I’m a motorist, show us ya tits! Wooooooo vrooooom.

Hope that clarifies.

I like point 5.

Good policy 🙂

But would they accept a fat chick’s vote?

dpm said :

HenryBG said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

It’s effing lol when you see half wits spouting the evil commie lines. It really shows how dim thy are.

It’s even more effing lol when you see spectacularly naive people who don’t understand the significance of having in our midst some who are working for murderous foreign regimes.

Are you talking about the mole men, or the saucer people? My tin foil hat protects me from both, luckily…..

The Soviet regime murdered tens of millions of people. I don’t know what there is to laugh about.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd6:48 am 25 Oct 12

dpm said :

HenryBG said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

It’s effing lol when you see half wits spouting the evil commie lines. It really shows how dim thy are.

It’s even more effing lol when you see spectacularly naive people who don’t understand the significance of having in our midst some who are working for murderous foreign regimes.

Are you talking about the mole men, or the saucer people? My tin foil hat protects me from both, luckily…..

Arrrrg beat me to it.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd6:47 am 25 Oct 12

HenryBG said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

It’s effing lol when you see half wits spouting the evil commie lines. It really shows how dim thy are.

It’s even more effing lol when you see spectacularly naive people who don’t understand the significance of having in our midst some who are working for murderous foreign regimes.

How’s that tinfoil hat working, bro?

Tetranitrate12:29 am 25 Oct 12

HenryBG said :

Jim Jones said :

HenryBG said :

Jim Jones said :

HenryBG said :

Yep. He was a real Green. A lot of the rest of them are f#$%wit refugees from various uni Marxist clubs. They don’t seem to have any idea about how to keep irrelevant left wing ideology out of the way of the core message they *should* be bringing to the electorate.

Their recent anti-ASIO and pro-illegal immigrant attack on national security isn’t likely to win them any more friends either.

They need to purge the commies from their ranks and replace them with some people with genuine progressive environmental conservatism at heart, like Bob Brown.

No.1 to go should be the unapologetic supporter of the communist soviet dictatorship, Lee Rhiannon. Somebody with her history of support for repression and totalitarian anti-democracy should have no place in the Greens party, nor any other. It’s inconceivable that a genuine Green party would tolerate her within its ranks.

And here’s me thinking that the Cold War ended decades ago.

The cold war ending does not change the fact that some people chose to work against Australia and for a totalitarian communist regime.
Some of those people are now ensconced in the Greens party. And their presence in the Greens is both warping the Greens’ platform and eroding its support base.

Thanks Senator McCarthy!

It’s an objective fact that the stalinist state was a repressive, murderous, antidemocratic regime, just as it is an objective fact that a small number of Australians worked for the intelligence organisations of that state.

Nothing to do with McCarthyism – citizens of this country, Lee Rhiannon’s parents for example, actively worked for this totalitarian state and actively assisted them to endanger Australian servicemen’s lives by observing troop sea movements in Sydney harbour during the Vietnam war and passing the information to their soviet contacts in the Czech embassy.

Lee Rhiannon, in turn, used a Soviet cruise liner known to be a “safe house” in use by the KGB and is known to have met with the KGB aboard it prior to holidaying in soviet Russia. Following the fall of the Berlin wall, she continued to edit her pro-stalinist rag until eventually being forced to wind it up due to the complete lack of interest by anybody else in the country in her ridiculous and extremist views.

She now agitates to blunt ASIO’s effectiveness at guarding our society from terrorists, foreign intelligence operatives and criminals who enter this country posing as refugees.

She has spent her entire life acting as an enemy of the Australian people, and any government operating along her preferred model for government would have put her up against the wall a long time ago.

I can’t honestly say that I disagree with any of that.

plausibly_deniable said :

Can someone help me understand why someone would vote for the Motorists’ Party?

for the lols
I remember a Uni referendum, that a particular position be paid – passed, that it exist –
rejected

plausibly_deniable said :

Can someone help me understand why someone would vote for the Motorists’ Party?

I suggest you drive a Prius to Bathurst next year and ask the spectators, particularly those in the campsite.

HenryBG said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

It’s effing lol when you see half wits spouting the evil commie lines. It really shows how dim thy are.

It’s even more effing lol when you see spectacularly naive people who don’t understand the significance of having in our midst some who are working for murderous foreign regimes.

Are you talking about the mole men, or the saucer people? My tin foil hat protects me from both, luckily…..

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

It’s effing lol when you see half wits spouting the evil commie lines. It really shows how dim thy are.

It’s even more effing lol when you see spectacularly naive people who don’t understand the significance of having in our midst some who are working for murderous foreign regimes.

pirate_taco said :

Latest update of preference distribution has been posted by Elections ACT.
In this one, Meredith Hunter loses out to Yvette Berry to give Labor 3 to Liberals 2 in Ginninderra
Brindabella has Seselja, Burch, Smyth, Gentleman and Wall – Labor 2 to Liberals 3.
Molonglo has Gallagher, Hanson, Barr, Corbell, Jones, Doszpot and Rattenbery – Labor 3, Liberal 3, Greens 1

Result of 8-8-1

Still only about 1/3rd of preferences done, and many of these are extremely close, so the results may still still change.
At time of exclusion, around 50 votes between Rattenbery and Le Couter, 50 votes between Corbell and Fitzharris…

I think we can call Brindabella as Seselja, Burch, Smyth, Gentleman & Wall. No way I can see Bresnan catching up from here.

I’ll call Ginninderra too: Coe, Porter, Dunne, Bourke & Berry. Hunter is toast – she’ll end up about 600 behind Berry at exclusion in the final count IMO

Molonglo is still tight for some. Gallagher, Barr, Hanson, Jones are in. Corbell will need to pray that Gallagher’s preferences keep breaking 3:1 his way over Fitzharris, but I think he’ll scrape back in. Too close to call between Doszpot v Lee and Rattenbury v Le Couteur.

colourful sydney racing identity8:26 pm 24 Oct 12

plausibly_deniable said :

Can someone help me understand why someone would vote for the Motorists’ Party?

Vrooom, vrooooom, getoutamyway, I’m a motorist, show us ya tits! Wooooooo vrooooom.

Hope that clarifies.

plausibly_deniable8:21 pm 24 Oct 12

Can someone help me understand why someone would vote for the Motorists’ Party?

Holditz said :

HenryBG said :

No.1 to go should be the unapologetic supporter of the communist soviet dictatorship, Lee Rhiannon.

While we’re talking about that, whatever happened to that hotbed of campus politics, the Socialist Alternative? Surely they would have run a few candidates in last weekend’s elections?

They mainly keep to sticky taping posters up around City West, ANU and the bus interchange now – directing people to a small room on campus in the late evening.

Would be worth getting one of them to run just to see if they can out-poll Pocock. What will people vote for more – a NPD sufferer with a god complex who wants to ban sex, or someone who wants to ban capitalism and private ownership?

Chic Henry fully excluded at count 31 in tonight’s update. Meredith Hunter partially excluded. Yvette Berry in 5th place now.

HenryBG said :

No.1 to go should be the unapologetic supporter of the communist soviet dictatorship, Lee Rhiannon.

While we’re talking about that, whatever happened to that hotbed of campus politics, the Socialist Alternative? Surely they would have run a few candidates in last weekend’s elections?

Latest update of preference distribution has been posted by Elections ACT.
In this one, Meredith Hunter loses out to Yvette Berry to give Labor 3 to Liberals 2 in Ginninderra
Brindabella has Seselja, Burch, Smyth, Gentleman and Wall – Labor 2 to Liberals 3.
Molonglo has Gallagher, Hanson, Barr, Corbell, Jones, Doszpot and Rattenbery – Labor 3, Liberal 3, Greens 1

Result of 8-8-1

Still only about 1/3rd of preferences done, and many of these are extremely close, so the results may still still change.
At time of exclusion, around 50 votes between Rattenbery and Le Couter, 50 votes between Corbell and Fitzharris…

Woody Mann-Caruso7:00 pm 24 Oct 12

Hmmm, distinct lack of a response to my point there, coupled with a bit of abuse. Typique!

I like the part where you pretended a double standard was a ‘point’.

chilli said :

As of about 10 mins ago on http://www.electionresults.act.gov.au/ElectorateMolonglo, the only Labor candidate from Molonglo in the top 7 was Katy Gallagher. Andrew Barr is at #8, and Simon Corbell way back at #13.

Guess it can still move about a fair bit more but what happened to the ‘comeback’ for Corbell touted in the CT today?

It’s because Katy got over two quotas by herself. The other Labor politicians will most likely pick up large preference flows once they are spread. Check out the interim preference flow spreadsheets on the results page.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

It’s effing lol when you see half wits spouting the evil commie lines. It really shows how dim thy are.

I think its more interesting that apparently a lot of people don’t know the background and ‘former’ political beliefs of quite a few of the Green politicians.

chilli said :

Guess it can still move about a fair bit more but what happened to the ‘comeback’ for Corbell touted in the CT today?

Preferential quota distribution is a mystical and wonderful process.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd6:05 pm 24 Oct 12

It’s effing lol when you see half wits spouting the evil commie lines. It really shows how dim thy are.

Jim Jones said :

HenryBG said :

Jim Jones said :

HenryBG said :

Yep. He was a real Green. A lot of the rest of them are f#$%wit refugees from various uni Marxist clubs. They don’t seem to have any idea about how to keep irrelevant left wing ideology out of the way of the core message they *should* be bringing to the electorate.

Their recent anti-ASIO and pro-illegal immigrant attack on national security isn’t likely to win them any more friends either.

They need to purge the commies from their ranks and replace them with some people with genuine progressive environmental conservatism at heart, like Bob Brown.

No.1 to go should be the unapologetic supporter of the communist soviet dictatorship, Lee Rhiannon. Somebody with her history of support for repression and totalitarian anti-democracy should have no place in the Greens party, nor any other. It’s inconceivable that a genuine Green party would tolerate her within its ranks.

And here’s me thinking that the Cold War ended decades ago.

The cold war ending does not change the fact that some people chose to work against Australia and for a totalitarian communist regime.
Some of those people are now ensconced in the Greens party. And their presence in the Greens is both warping the Greens’ platform and eroding its support base.

Thanks Senator McCarthy!

It’s an objective fact that the stalinist state was a repressive, murderous, antidemocratic regime, just as it is an objective fact that a small number of Australians worked for the intelligence organisations of that state.

Nothing to do with McCarthyism – citizens of this country, Lee Rhiannon’s parents for example, actively worked for this totalitarian state and actively assisted them to endanger Australian servicemen’s lives by observing troop sea movements in Sydney harbour during the Vietnam war and passing the information to their soviet contacts in the Czech embassy.

Lee Rhiannon, in turn, used a Soviet cruise liner known to be a “safe house” in use by the KGB and is known to have met with the KGB aboard it prior to holidaying in soviet Russia. Following the fall of the Berlin wall, she continued to edit her pro-stalinist rag until eventually being forced to wind it up due to the complete lack of interest by anybody else in the country in her ridiculous and extremist views.

She now agitates to blunt ASIO’s effectiveness at guarding our society from terrorists, foreign intelligence operatives and criminals who enter this country posing as refugees.

She has spent her entire life acting as an enemy of the Australian people, and any government operating along her preferred model for government would have put her up against the wall a long time ago.

As of about 10 mins ago on http://www.electionresults.act.gov.au/ElectorateMolonglo, the only Labor candidate from Molonglo in the top 7 was Katy Gallagher. Andrew Barr is at #8, and Simon Corbell way back at #13.

Guess it can still move about a fair bit more but what happened to the ‘comeback’ for Corbell touted in the CT today?

Masquara said :

At least Christine Milne is kinda genuine. Sarah Hanson-Young? She can turn on fake tears at will, witness the refugee drownings, where she blubbed in parliament as though her world was ending and then shortly afterwards later tweeted in joyous delirium from a party (two different audiences segmented in her head, but she didn’t for some reason figure that the twitterati would receive both in succession).

I think what Bob Brown and to a lesser extent Christine Milne have is Green credibility. They were both associated with the Greens favoured issues long before the party existed, they both got arrested on the Franklin River.

Hanson-Young doesn’t have any credibility, it’s little wonder her own party has rejected her twice for a leadership role. She followed the typical path of a ladder climber rather than someone who has a long background in issues and then seeks to enter Parliament to go further with those issues.

Holden Caulfield said :

Madam Cholet said :

Holden Caulfield said :

Watching the smug smile wiped off SHY’s face was priceless. Hopefully she’ll be next on the chopping block when she’s up for re-election. I’ve not really got anything against the Greens, but she is a massive liability IMO.

You want a bet…SHY will be harbouring many a thought about knifing Christine Milne now that things are not so rosy in Greenland. Worst thing for the Greens was BB’s departure at the federal level. Like him or hate him, he was good at what he did.

Yes, she’ll be harbouring such views, no doubt she already is. But hopefully, as was my original point, the electorate will force her to take on a career change and her leadership ambitions will remain a fantasy.

At least Christine Milne is kinda genuine. Sarah Hanson-Young? She can turn on fake tears at will, witness the refugee drownings, where she blubbed in parliament as though her world was ending and then shortly afterwards later tweeted in joyous delirium from a party (two different audiences segmented in her head, but she didn’t for some reason figure that the twitterati would receive both in succession).

HenryBG said :

Jim Jones said :

HenryBG said :

Yep. He was a real Green. A lot of the rest of them are f#$%wit refugees from various uni Marxist clubs. They don’t seem to have any idea about how to keep irrelevant left wing ideology out of the way of the core message they *should* be bringing to the electorate.

Their recent anti-ASIO and pro-illegal immigrant attack on national security isn’t likely to win them any more friends either.

They need to purge the commies from their ranks and replace them with some people with genuine progressive environmental conservatism at heart, like Bob Brown.

No.1 to go should be the unapologetic supporter of the communist soviet dictatorship, Lee Rhiannon. Somebody with her history of support for repression and totalitarian anti-democracy should have no place in the Greens party, nor any other. It’s inconceivable that a genuine Green party would tolerate her within its ranks.

And here’s me thinking that the Cold War ended decades ago.

The cold war ending does not change the fact that some people chose to work against Australia and for a totalitarian communist regime.
Some of those people are now ensconced in the Greens party. And their presence in the Greens is both warping the Greens’ platform and eroding its support base.

Thanks Senator McCarthy!

Jim Jones said :

HenryBG said :

Yep. He was a real Green. A lot of the rest of them are f#$%wit refugees from various uni Marxist clubs. They don’t seem to have any idea about how to keep irrelevant left wing ideology out of the way of the core message they *should* be bringing to the electorate.

Their recent anti-ASIO and pro-illegal immigrant attack on national security isn’t likely to win them any more friends either.

They need to purge the commies from their ranks and replace them with some people with genuine progressive environmental conservatism at heart, like Bob Brown.

No.1 to go should be the unapologetic supporter of the communist soviet dictatorship, Lee Rhiannon. Somebody with her history of support for repression and totalitarian anti-democracy should have no place in the Greens party, nor any other. It’s inconceivable that a genuine Green party would tolerate her within its ranks.

And here’s me thinking that the Cold War ended decades ago.

The cold war ending does not change the fact that some people chose to work against Australia and for a totalitarian communist regime.
Some of those people are now ensconced in the Greens party. And their presence in the Greens is both warping the Greens’ platform and eroding its support base.

Jim Jones said :

And here’s me thinking that the Cold War ended decades ago.

It did.

But I hope you weren’t credulous to think political ideals would simply vanish after that?

switch said :

I think the retirement of Bob Browne was the beginning of the end for the Greens as a serious player in Australian politics.

Don Chipp all over again. Maybe this is The Way for third choice political parties in Oz.

Actually the Democrats achieved their biggest electoral successes after Chipp’s retirement.

HenryBG said :

Madam Cholet said :

Holden Caulfield said :

Watching the smug smile wiped off SHY’s face was priceless. Hopefully she’ll be next on the chopping block when she’s up for re-election. I’ve not really got anything against the Greens, but she is a massive liability IMO.

You want a bet…SHY will be harbouring many a thought about knifing Christine Milne now that things are not so rosy in Greenland. Worst thing for the Greens was BB’s departure at the federal level. Like him or hate him, he was good at what he did.

I agree.

I think the retirement of Bob Browne was the beginning of the end for the Greens as a serious player in Australian politics.

Yep. He was a real Green. A lot of the rest of them are f#$%wit refugees from various uni Marxist clubs. They don’t seem to have any idea about how to keep irrelevant left wing ideology out of the way of the core message they *should* be bringing to the electorate.

Their recent anti-ASIO and pro-illegal immigrant attack on national security isn’t likely to win them any more friends either.

They need to purge the commies from their ranks and replace them with some people with genuine progressive environmental conservatism at heart, like Bob Brown.

No.1 to go should be the unapologetic supporter of the communist soviet dictatorship, Lee Rhiannon. Somebody with her history of support for repression and totalitarian anti-democracy should have no place in the Greens party, nor any other. It’s inconceivable that a genuine Green party would tolerate her within its ranks.

And here’s me thinking that the Cold War ended decades ago.

Holden Caulfield2:30 pm 24 Oct 12

Madam Cholet said :

Holden Caulfield said :

Watching the smug smile wiped off SHY’s face was priceless. Hopefully she’ll be next on the chopping block when she’s up for re-election. I’ve not really got anything against the Greens, but she is a massive liability IMO.

You want a bet…SHY will be harbouring many a thought about knifing Christine Milne now that things are not so rosy in Greenland. Worst thing for the Greens was BB’s departure at the federal level. Like him or hate him, he was good at what he did.

Yes, she’ll be harbouring such views, no doubt she already is. But hopefully, as was my original point, the electorate will force her to take on a career change and her leadership ambitions will remain a fantasy.

HenryBG said :

Madam Cholet said :

Holden Caulfield said :

Watching the smug smile wiped off SHY’s face was priceless. Hopefully she’ll be next on the chopping block when she’s up for re-election. I’ve not really got anything against the Greens, but she is a massive liability IMO.

You want a bet…SHY will be harbouring many a thought about knifing Christine Milne now that things are not so rosy in Greenland. Worst thing for the Greens was BB’s departure at the federal level. Like him or hate him, he was good at what he did.

I agree.

I think the retirement of Bob Browne was the beginning of the end for the Greens as a serious player in Australian politics.

Yep. He was a real Green. A lot of the rest of them are f#$%wit refugees from various uni Marxist clubs. They don’t seem to have any idea about how to keep irrelevant left wing ideology out of the way of the core message they *should* be bringing to the electorate.

Their recent anti-ASIO and pro-illegal immigrant attack on national security isn’t likely to win them any more friends either.

They need to purge the commies from their ranks and replace them with some people with genuine progressive environmental conservatism at heart, like Bob Brown.

No.1 to go should be the unapologetic supporter of the communist soviet dictatorship, Lee Rhiannon. Somebody with her history of support for repression and totalitarian anti-democracy should have no place in the Greens party, nor any other. It’s inconceivable that a genuine Green party would tolerate her within its ranks.

Agreed. Environmentalism used to based on science, until ulterior motives highjacked it

‘Green’ my a***, especially L. Rhiannon.

Madam Cholet said :

Holden Caulfield said :

Watching the smug smile wiped off SHY’s face was priceless. Hopefully she’ll be next on the chopping block when she’s up for re-election. I’ve not really got anything against the Greens, but she is a massive liability IMO.

You want a bet…SHY will be harbouring many a thought about knifing Christine Milne now that things are not so rosy in Greenland. Worst thing for the Greens was BB’s departure at the federal level. Like him or hate him, he was good at what he did.

I agree.

I think the retirement of Bob Browne was the beginning of the end for the Greens as a serious player in Australian politics.

Yep. He was a real Green. A lot of the rest of them are f#$%wit refugees from various uni Marxist clubs. They don’t seem to have any idea about how to keep irrelevant left wing ideology out of the way of the core message they *should* be bringing to the electorate.

Their recent anti-ASIO and pro-illegal immigrant attack on national security isn’t likely to win them any more friends either.

They need to purge the commies from their ranks and replace them with some people with genuine progressive environmental conservatism at heart, like Bob Brown.

No.1 to go should be the unapologetic supporter of the communist soviet dictatorship, Lee Rhiannon. Somebody with her history of support for repression and totalitarian anti-democracy should have no place in the Greens party, nor any other. It’s inconceivable that a genuine Green party would tolerate her within its ranks.

I think the retirement of Bob Browne was the beginning of the end for the Greens as a serious player in Australian politics.

Don Chipp all over again. Maybe this is The Way for third choice political parties in Oz.

Madam Cholet12:48 pm 24 Oct 12

Holden Caulfield said :

Watching the smug smile wiped off SHY’s face was priceless. Hopefully she’ll be next on the chopping block when she’s up for re-election. I’ve not really got anything against the Greens, but she is a massive liability IMO.

You want a bet…SHY will be harbouring many a thought about knifing Christine Milne now that things are not so rosy in Greenland. Worst thing for the Greens was BB’s departure at the federal level. Like him or hate him, he was good at what he did.

Nobody makes me carry hot takeaway all over civic without the benefit of a tiny minimum environmental harm plastic bag – suck greens!

Tetranitrate12:19 pm 24 Oct 12

c_c™ said :

Noel Towell has declared that Corbell and Hunter are “back in contention.”

Strange, I never counted them out of contention.

Corbell is a long shot to be sure, and while I think Hunter will succeed, Chic Henry is still in the race.

Noel should probably just shut up at this point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b97zJxKEqAk

johnboy said :

Ole Chic is getting very close to Meredith:

http://www.electionresults.act.gov.au/ElectorateGinninderra.html

Chic will almost certainly be excluded, as the preferences of the other two Greens candidates, Higgians and Parris, will almost all flow to Hunter. See here: http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2012/10/graphing-the-race-for-the-final-seats-in-ginninderra.html

Holden Caulfield11:33 am 24 Oct 12

Thanks chewy.

It would be nice to see some new faces in the ALP, just to provide some new enthusiasm and ideas. Same applies to all parties I guess. Well, except for the Greens, who’ll be happy to cling on to what they can and must be bitterly disappointed with the result.

Watching the smug smile wiped off SHY’s face was priceless. Hopefully she’ll be next on the chopping block when she’s up for re-election. I’ve not really got anything against the Greens, but she is a massive liability IMO.

Noel Towell has declared that Corbell and Hunter are “back in contention.”

Strange, I never counted them out of contention.

Corbell is a long shot to be sure, and while I think Hunter will succeed, Chic Henry is still in the race.

I’m expecting a lot of preferences to flow from Pirate Party candidates and Bullet Train for Canberra across to the Greens… it’s still very early days until they start excluding some of the candidates.

Holden Caulfield said :

I’ve not been keeping up to speed on preference allocations, but is Corbell likely to make way for newcomer Fitzharris in Molonglo?

I’m thinking at this stage that Corbell will hold on. The interim preference flow from yesterday had him slightly in front but there’s still a long way to go.

johnboy said :

Ole Chic is getting very close to Meredith:

http://www.electionresults.act.gov.au/ElectorateGinninderra.html

On an individual basis, yes. On an actual outcome basis, he’s behind by large margin now.

I’m still waiting to see how the preferences flop. There’s an assumption Meredith will get strong preferences from the other Greens candidates. On the other hand those voters already decided not to give her the 1 vote.

Tetranitrate10:46 am 24 Oct 12

johnboy said :

Ole Chic is getting very close to Meredith:

http://www.electionresults.act.gov.au/ElectorateGinninderra.html

Meredith will probably pick up more from her running mates though. It really depends on where labor and liberal leakage goes plus preferences from the bullet train.

The Greens were off their rocker on election night when they claimed bullet train split their vote – from interim distribution of preferences, bullet train preferences are going everywhere.

Holden Caulfield10:38 am 24 Oct 12

I’ve not been keeping up to speed on preference allocations, but is Corbell likely to make way for newcomer Fitzharris in Molonglo?

johnboy said :

Ole Chic is getting very close to Meredith:

http://www.electionresults.act.gov.au/ElectorateGinninderra.html

I didn’t even know they were friends!

bundah said :

Well the Greens have certainly come down to earth with a thud!

How_Canberran said :

Riveting stuff, this!
Who really cares about what is essentially a local council election?

As long as my bins are emptied on time and the magpies swoop at regular intervals.

How Canberran.

Talking of Greens and bins… I was kinda hoping the Liberals would clear away the Green rubbish to the tip but if the One Green Rat is in power…please kindly redirect the Electric Light rail tracks to terminate at the Mugga tip, so the over 70 year olds can drag their Green waste to the tip on the train/tram for free.

Maybe we could nominate this thread for the Canberra Centenary “I Like Canberra”: Robust political discussions that don’t degenerate into petty, childish name calling…

Whoops, too late.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd6:41 am 24 Oct 12

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Didn’t Katie Gallagher claim “Labor is ahead re the number of votes” as her rationale for claiming government?

Aww, poor Wibwuls. When you get fewer votes than Labor but can hold hands with your cousin’-rootin’ brethren in the Nats, you call it a ‘coalition’ and have no qualms about taking government. But if Labor tries to do the same thing with the Greens, it’s an unholy alliance and an affront to democracy.

Might be best if you just wait til it’s over. Who knows – we might get a Lib / Greens minority government, and then you’ll have to explain why you think it’s OK for Zed to shack up with a hippy, but not for Ka…but silly me! Hypocrisy’s a way of life for you guys. Carry on!

Qft

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Didn’t Katie Gallagher claim “Labor is ahead re the number of votes” as her rationale for claiming government?

Aww, poor Wibwuls. When you get fewer votes than Labor but can hold hands with your cousin’-rootin’ brethren in the Nats, you call it a ‘coalition’ and have no qualms about taking government. But if Labor tries to do the same thing with the Greens, it’s an unholy alliance and an affront to democracy.

Might be best if you just wait til it’s over. Who knows – we might get a Lib / Greens minority government, and then you’ll have to explain why you think it’s OK for Zed to shack up with a hippy, but not for Ka…but silly me! Hypocrisy’s a way of life for you guys. Carry on!

Hmmm, distinct lack of a response to my point there, coupled with a bit of abuse. Typique!

Masquara said :

dpm said :

Interesting to see the Libs have just pulled ahead in the overall vote count (84,479 vs 84,447), which is probably important to some people?:
http://www.electionresults.act.gov.au/
87.5% counted. Will be interesting to see how it ends.
How Canberran….. Oh wait, someone has used that line…. Hahahaha!

Didn’t Katie Gallagher claim “Labor is ahead re the number of votes” as her rationale for claiming government?

She did, but that was soon broadened to be more people voted for progressive parties.

Parties really should have just kept quiet after the election. It’s Hare-Clarke, it takes a week to finalise results. You can’t claim victory until then, all you can do is put your foot in it. Zed did it by talking over Hunter and making a victory speech, Gallagher did it by starting to talk as if the numbers were final and the Greens did it by appearing near catatonic the whole night.

Woody Mann-Caruso8:14 pm 23 Oct 12

Didn’t Katie Gallagher claim “Labor is ahead re the number of votes” as her rationale for claiming government?

Aww, poor Wibwuls. When you get fewer votes than Labor but can hold hands with your cousin’-rootin’ brethren in the Nats, you call it a ‘coalition’ and have no qualms about taking government. But if Labor tries to do the same thing with the Greens, it’s an unholy alliance and an affront to democracy.

Might be best if you just wait til it’s over. Who knows – we might get a Lib / Greens minority government, and then you’ll have to explain why you think it’s OK for Zed to shack up with a hippy, but not for Ka…but silly me! Hypocrisy’s a way of life for you guys. Carry on!

dpm said :

Interesting to see the Libs have just pulled ahead in the overall vote count (84,479 vs 84,447), which is probably important to some people?:
http://www.electionresults.act.gov.au/
87.5% counted. Will be interesting to see how it ends.
How Canberran….. Oh wait, someone has used that line…. Hahahaha!

Didn’t Katie Gallagher claim “Labor is ahead re the number of votes” as her rationale for claiming government?

dpm said :

Interesting to see the Libs have just pulled ahead in the overall vote count (84,479 vs 84,447), which is probably important to some people?:
http://www.electionresults.act.gov.au/
87.5% counted. Will be interesting to see how it ends.
How Canberran….. Oh wait, someone has used that line…. Hahahaha!

I should add that that is with 89.7% of Brind (Lib-biased) counted cf. 85.4% of Molonglo (Labor-biased), so things may change back at some stage…

Interesting to see the Libs have just pulled ahead in the overall vote count (84,479 vs 84,447), which is probably important to some people?:
http://www.electionresults.act.gov.au/
87.5% counted. Will be interesting to see how it ends.
How Canberran….. Oh wait, someone has used that line…. Hahahaha!

54-11 said :

Postalgeek said :

Guess there are coalitions, and there are Coalitions. One is a travesty of democracy, and the other is a mutually-beneficial working relationship.

Agreed. Remember, the worst government we have had in the ACT was the majority Stanhope-led ALP government.

Arrogance personified.

I much prefer the current arrangements where there is give and take across the board.

+1
Look at how the Coalition control of both houses went. Some very conservative policies passed without much input from labor, greens or independants.

Thats the idea of the Senate and the idea of how the ACT Legislative Assembly works. Someone has balance of power. Usually the greens, one nation, family first and in the past the Democrats.

colourful sydney racing identity4:28 pm 23 Oct 12

How_Canberran said :

Riveting stuff, this!
Who really cares about what is essentially a local council election?

As long as my bins are emptied on time and the magpies swoop at regular intervals.

How Canberran.

you should get a dumb catch prhase. Oh, wait…

LSWCHP said :

Tetranitrate said :

Watson said :

And in Belgium they didn’t have a government for nearly 18 months because no coalitions were workable. Compromise in politics is an admirable and oh so civilised idea. Until the precarious balance gets completely out of whack and the whole structure comes crashing down.

It helps if most of your county considers itself to be the same nationality and speaks the same language.

As far as I can tell, the Belgians have done very nicely indeed without a government. This reinforces my view that we could do with a lot less political grandstanding and a much greater focus on unglamorous things like fixing potholes in the road after it rains.

Ironically enough the interim government had the power to decide to send troops to whatever country was at war then but didn’t have the authority to change the legislation regarding pothole fixing or anything else really. Which is why there was very little to complain about because nothing got done.

Things aren’t always what they seem and the grass is always greener, etc. Having said that, I doubt it makes any difference what electoral system you have. The outcome is always 4 years of BS.

Hang on, let’s get a grip here.

if 52.9% of the elected representatives believe that person X should be chief minister then it beats the hell out of 47% of the elected representatives believing that person Y should be chief minister. Last time I looked that was democracy.

If you don’t like it then vote in different elected members

Postalgeek said :

Guess there are coalitions, and there are Coalitions. One is a travesty of democracy, and the other is a mutually-beneficial working relationship.

Agreed. Remember, the worst government we have had in the ACT was the majority Stanhope-led ALP government.

Arrogance personified.

I much prefer the current arrangements where there is give and take across the board.

LSWCHP said :

we could do with a lot less political grandstanding and a much greater focus on unglamorous things like fixing potholes in the road after it rains.

This.

Annoyingly, it’s become all about the sound bite. Or the hairstyle. Tempting to blame the media, but ultimately it’s the consumers of said media – who seem to show a preference for the transient, the superficial, and the sensational – who are to blame.

Tetranitrate said :

Watson said :

And in Belgium they didn’t have a government for nearly 18 months because no coalitions were workable. Compromise in politics is an admirable and oh so civilised idea. Until the precarious balance gets completely out of whack and the whole structure comes crashing down.

It helps if most of your county considers itself to be the same nationality and speaks the same language.

As far as I can tell, the Belgians have done very nicely indeed without a government. This reinforces my view that we could do with a lot less political grandstanding and a much greater focus on unglamorous things like fixing potholes in the road after it rains.

Tetranitrate11:51 am 23 Oct 12

Matt_Watts said :

For a quite some time in Australia, crossing the floor wasn’t seen as a hanging offence (unless in the ALP). The only thing that has sigificantly changedpver the years has been the way the media portrays things, and it’s as if politicians have to be in constant campaign mode, although it has to be said obstructionist behaviour will only get you so far. Not sure it’s just the fault of our Westminster tradition….

Australia’s effectively had a two party system for the whole post-war era though so we didn’t have the same sort of issues as we have now:
two utterly opposed blocs that won’t in any circumstances co-operate and a small extremist party thrilled to play them off against each other. It’s bizarre really – there’s more of a gap between the Greens and Labor than there is between Labor and Liberal, but the way our political system actually works means instead of them being a fringe party off the the extreme (eg “Die Linke” in Germany, political heirs to the builders of the Berlin wall) they get to play kingmaker and gain disproportionate levels of influence.

Tetranitrate11:42 am 23 Oct 12

Watson said :

And in Belgium they didn’t have a government for nearly 18 months because no coalitions were workable. Compromise in politics is an admirable and oh so civilised idea. Until the precarious balance gets completely out of whack and the whole structure comes crashing down.

It helps if most of your county considers itself to be the same nationality and speaks the same language.

Tetranitrate said :

Oxspit said :

I think it’s perhaps time for a quiet moment of appreciation over the number of posters who seem to feel it an abrogation of democracy if anyone other than those who voted for the party winning the most seats have effective representation in the assembly….

I don’t think that’s what people are actually complaining about.
It’s more that the votes are something like:
39% voted labor
38.7% voted liberal
10.7% voted green
11.5% voted for others entirely
and while the outcome in seats somewhat reflects that, because of our Westminster descended system the outcome in terms who governs and has influence on policy is going to be more like
67% labor, 33% Green.

In most of Continental Europe (with the notable exception of France) a minor party would not enjoy such disproportionate influence because politics isn’t as confrontational and obstructionist.
For instance in Germany after the 2005 election a ‘grand coalition’ was formed between the CDU/CSU (ala Liberal/National) and SPD (Labor), as all other possible coalitions were unworkable. This would never happen in Australia because of our wonderful ‘Westminster traditions’ eg: confrontation for the sake of confrontation or having an opposition oppose policy simply to obstruct and damage the government.

And in Belgium they didn’t have a government for nearly 18 months because no coalitions were workable. Compromise in politics is an admirable and oh so civilised idea. Until the precarious balance gets completely out of whack and the whole structure comes crashing down.

Tetranitrate said :

Oxspit said :

I think it’s perhaps time for a quiet moment of appreciation over the number of posters who seem to feel it an abrogation of democracy if anyone other than those who voted for the party winning the most seats have effective representation in the assembly….

I don’t think that’s what people are actually complaining about.
It’s more that the votes are something like:
39% voted labor
38.7% voted liberal
10.7% voted green
11.5% voted for others entirely
and while the outcome in seats somewhat reflects that, because of our Westminster descended system the outcome in terms who governs and has influence on policy is going to be more like
67% labor, 33% Green.

In most of Continental Europe (with the notable exception of France) a minor party would not enjoy such disproportionate influence because politics isn’t as confrontational and obstructionist.
For instance in Germany after the 2005 election a ‘grand coalition’ was formed between the CDU/CSU (ala Liberal/National) and SPD (Labor), as all other possible coalitions were unworkable. This would never happen in Australia because of our wonderful ‘Westminster traditions’ eg: confrontation for the sake of confrontation or having an opposition oppose policy simply to obstruct and damage the government.

For a quite some time in Australia, crossing the floor wasn’t seen as a hanging offence (unless in the ALP). The only thing that has sigificantly changedpver the years has been the way the media portrays things, and it’s as if politicians have to be in constant campaign mode, although it has to be said obstructionist behaviour will only get you so far. Not sure it’s just the fault of our Westminster tradition….

watto23 said :

With a single houise of government we need the current voting system. When we did have a majority Labor government peopler didn’t like it. Same as a majotiry in both houses for the libs federally. One side gains too much power. Some people can swear by voting Liberal or labor their whole life, but for the good of the country we need both because neither party could run the country or state/territory well wiuthout the other one fixing their stuff ups and creating stuff ups that need to be fixed.

I rue the fact we also lost the democrats to Australian politics. They were a much better balance of power because they were moderate and not considered radical like the greens are, although it really was the greens and one nation who killed the democrats off as the party to hold balance of power.

Amen. With them maintaining the balance of power instead of the greens, we would be seeing things going rather smoothly. They would be an excellent moderator.

Tetranitrate11:09 am 23 Oct 12

Oxspit said :

I think it’s perhaps time for a quiet moment of appreciation over the number of posters who seem to feel it an abrogation of democracy if anyone other than those who voted for the party winning the most seats have effective representation in the assembly….

I don’t think that’s what people are actually complaining about.
It’s more that the votes are something like:
39% voted labor
38.7% voted liberal
10.7% voted green
11.5% voted for others entirely
and while the outcome in seats somewhat reflects that, because of our Westminster descended system the outcome in terms who governs and has influence on policy is going to be more like
67% labor, 33% Green.

In most of Continental Europe (with the notable exception of France) a minor party would not enjoy such disproportionate influence because politics isn’t as confrontational and obstructionist.
For instance in Germany after the 2005 election a ‘grand coalition’ was formed between the CDU/CSU (ala Liberal/National) and SPD (Labor), as all other possible coalitions were unworkable. This would never happen in Australia because of our wonderful ‘Westminster traditions’ eg: confrontation for the sake of confrontation or having an opposition oppose policy simply to obstruct and damage the government.

Guess there are coalitions, and there are Coalitions. One is a travesty of democracy, and the other is a mutually-beneficial working relationship.

Holden Caulfield10:35 am 23 Oct 12

watto23 said :

I rue the fact we also lost the democrats to Australian politics. They were a much better balance of power because they were moderate and not considered radical like the greens are, although it really was the greens and one nation who killed the democrats off as the party to hold balance of power.

Hear, hear.

I didn’t ever send too many of my own votes their way, but appreciated the role they played, as you’ve outlined above and would rather they were still about.

I think it’s perhaps time for a quiet moment of appreciation over the number of posters who seem to feel it an abrogation of democracy if anyone other than those who voted for the party winning the most seats have effective representation in the assembly….

With a single houise of government we need the current voting system. When we did have a majority Labor government peopler didn’t like it. Same as a majotiry in both houses for the libs federally. One side gains too much power. Some people can swear by voting Liberal or labor their whole life, but for the good of the country we need both because neither party could run the country or state/territory well wiuthout the other one fixing their stuff ups and creating stuff ups that need to be fixed.

I rue the fact we also lost the democrats to Australian politics. They were a much better balance of power because they were moderate and not considered radical like the greens are, although it really was the greens and one nation who killed the democrats off as the party to hold balance of power.

wildturkeycanoe said :

So, we are saying that Greens have crashed and burned in the election, yet they may have supreme power to control all that goes on? This is the worst system ever.

Welcome to the world called balance of power. Think about it, if you’ve got a group of 5 people. 2 want to do one thing, the other 2 want to do something else, and they all have to do the same thing, the ultimate decision will always come down to one person.

Whilst it may appear that the one person has power, all that needs to happen is 1 labor person agree with a lib or 1 lib agree with labors position, and that green no longer holds any power at all. It’s not necessarily a bad thing either. Having a minority gov’t does add in a level of checks and balances which a majority gov’t does not have. Just look at when Howard was in with his majority gov’t. Anything he wanted to happen, good or bad, would happen. All the other parties inc labor could do was say “I don’t think that’s a good idea”. But ultimately they had no power to stop anything.

wildturkeycanoe said :

So, we are saying that Greens have crashed and burned in the election, yet they may have supreme power to control all that goes on? This is the worst system ever.

Yep, Nailed it in one.

Yep. Democracy certainly sux.

Duffbowl said :

gooterz said :

will them greens accept a one man army or go another election?

How would Canberrans react to being forced back to the polling booth? Forcing another election could see the swing against the Greens increase; that said, given Zed’s speech and behaviour since Saturday, a few Canberrans could jump on the Team Katy bandwagon.

Interesting, I’m not sure what mechanism in the ACT could force another election? I would think at some point the Commonwealth has to step in but would need to look it up.

Politicians come, politicians go – usually with a very large superannuation payout. So very bored with local politics and this election.

Holden Caulfield10:55 pm 22 Oct 12

Masquara said :

johnboy said :

It would be bloody ironic if Caroline Le Couteur, long thought the green most vulnerable, were to end up being the last one standing.

Frankly I think she is the only actual Green. Never saw the other Greens riding to work on a bike, or on the bus!

I’ve seen Rattenbury on his bike.

gooterz said :

will them greens accept a one man army or go another election?

How would Canberrans react to being forced back to the polling booth? Forcing another election could see the swing against the Greens increase; that said, given Zed’s speech and behaviour since Saturday, a few Canberrans could jump on the Team Katy bandwagon.

The remaining Green might force another election very soon: they have enough power to do that!!!!!

Shanes wife works for Greenpeace, the same nutjobs who destroyed the CSIRO crop. He is a Greenpeace member. As far as I’m concerned, he’s supporting a criminal enterprise and shouldn’t be an MLA.

johnboy said :

It would be bloody ironic if Caroline Le Couteur, long thought the green most vulnerable, were to end up being the last one standing.

+1

everyone’s underestimated her, but she is very approachable and likeable. Then again so is Shane. The other Greens … meh!

It’s a shame that most of the commentary has focussed only on the 8-8-1 and not your warning of the data’s deficiencies. at this time we can only allocate some 12-13 seats to a party, even less to candidates. I’m surprised at Anthony joining the amateur crystal ball enthusiasts at the Crimes in providing numbers, however qualified. As he alluded to in the article, there is a large amount of leakage of preferences away from candidates of the same party or even between the left and right. With only 20%of preferences provided (and these not being representative of the whole electorate), we really won’t be able to discern the true breakup of seats for some time.

So let’s all relax, take off our knotted knickers and enjoy the pollies really sweating it out.

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Number of seats needed by The Greens to control the Assembly: 1
Number of seats held by The Greens: 1

I wouldn’t call deciding who the CM is, controlling the assembly. Although its still good that neither major party will have a majority to do as they please.

One thing is for sure, the Greens have copped the electoral backlash for being completely useless for four years.

will them greens accept a one man army or go another election?

johnboy said :

It would be bloody ironic if Caroline Le Couteur, long thought the green most vulnerable, were to end up being the last one standing.

Frankly I think she is the only actual Green. Never saw the other Greens riding to work on a bike, or on the bus!

Panhead said :

Smiling from ear to ear 🙂

+1

How_Canberran7:37 pm 22 Oct 12

PantsMan said :

Stop bloody counting and let’s start looting!

I love it!

How Canberran

Tetranitrate7:32 pm 22 Oct 12

How_Canberran said :

Riveting stuff, this!
Who really cares about what is essentially a local council election?

As long as my bins are emptied on time and the magpies swoop at regular intervals.

How Canberran.

Because it’s also effectively a state election and some people happen to care about police, hospitals and education… how Canberran of them.

wildturkeycanoe said :

So, we are saying that Greens have crashed and burned in the election, yet they may have supreme power to control all that goes on? This is the worst system ever.

They don’t have supreme power.
Liberals and Labor could vote together to override the Greens on any issue.
The Greens could vote to elect a Labor CM, but vote with Liberals on any issue, as they did a few times during the last term.

Neither party has a majority and needs to work with one or more other parties in order to get things done. We just happen to have given two parties almost complete control and a third party with the balance required to pass anything.
If we had more parties or independents on the cross bench it wouldn’t appear to all come down to the whim of a party holding a single seat.

I think it is far too early to be calling the hinge seats as they are all so close. It’ll all come down to preferences and thanks to the semi-random nature of how we collectively chose our preferences it is very difficult to predict.
Looking forward to tomorrow night when the next update of preference distribution is due.

PantsMan said :

Stop bloody counting and let’s start looting!

Kent Brockman: Hordes of panicky people seem to be evacuating the town for some unknown reason. Professor, without knowing precisely what the danger is, would you say it’s time for our viewers to crack each other’s heads open and feast on the goo inside?
Professor: Yes I would, Kent.

How_Canberran7:10 pm 22 Oct 12

Riveting stuff, this!
Who really cares about what is essentially a local council election?

As long as my bins are emptied on time and the magpies swoop at regular intervals.

How Canberran.

Stop bloody counting and let’s start looting!

Seems crazy that one MLA could effectively run the show.
IMHO they should remain cross-bench.

wildturkeycanoe said :

So, we are saying that Greens have crashed and burned in the election, yet they may have supreme power to control all that goes on? This is the worst system ever.

Could be worst. NSW is at the mercy of the shooters and Fred Nile. It’s a fact that in system that has two dominant parties, you will end up with hinge parties that can often achieve influence far beyond their mere numbers.

wildturkeycanoe6:44 pm 22 Oct 12

So, we are saying that Greens have crashed and burned in the election, yet they may have supreme power to control all that goes on? This is the worst system ever.

It would be bloody ironic if Caroline Le Couteur, long thought the green most vulnerable, were to end up being the last one standing.

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Number of seats needed by The Greens to control the Assembly: 1
Number of seats held by The Greens: 1

It definitely makes for interesting times.

Woody Mann-Caruso5:59 pm 22 Oct 12

Number of seats needed by The Greens to control the Assembly: 1
Number of seats held by The Greens: 1

Well the Greens have certainly come down to earth with a thud!

Anything that reduces the Greens’ footprint is good news.

So after all that, the person who will be our next CM is potentially to be decided by 1 person (who will be influenced by a whole lot of other people)

OK I know that’s not quite how the system works, but up until your presented with a list of names on the ballot, most who I didn’t recognise, the way most people think is vote labor = Katy as CM, vote liberal = Zed as CM.

I do kinda wish there was a “I don’t trust any of these people to run this joint” option on a ballot.

Tetranitrate5:20 pm 22 Oct 12

Interesting, because the rumor is that Hunter loathes Zed on a personal level/

Smiling from ear to ear 🙂

Bloody hell.

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