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Electric cars can charge up at Belconnen markets

By johnboy 14 June 2011 29

EV Charge spot

Owen has sent in this pic with the following note:

Found this at the Belconnen Markets of all places. The inset shows the plug needed for connection.

With two car spaces available, I am not sure how it is going to work. Maybe they will put signs up, “Electric Cars Only”

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alaninoz 2:14 pm 15 Jun 11

Thanks Triffid.

The question now becomes who pays for the upgrade to the grid to allow this whizbang stuff to happen? The power provider or Better Place? I’m betting that it’ll be ACTEWAGL and so we’ll all be paying for it. Still, I suppose it’s no worse than smart metering – we pay for the upgrade and the supplier reaps the benefit.

p1 2:08 pm 15 Jun 11

Solidarity said :

If it’s all software controlled, and responds back to the grid telling it who to bill for the charge, you can bet that there will be people hacking the software to make it report some bogus account

Ahhh, see, I didn’t realise that this thing was actually that smart. I just assumed that it was some sort of government sponsored free power scheme to encourage people to drive plug in electric cars.

Makes me wonder about the relative cost of this electrickery compared to what comes out the wall at home (after you add whatever fees and charges come with the account). Would it be convenient for people that work at the markets to plug in, or will they run an extension cord out from their shop….

johnboy said :

About the same degree of effort and criminality as siphoning fuel, but possibly leaving more forensic evidence.

Is there some small print on that post stating who can plug what into it?

Solidarity 1:56 pm 15 Jun 11

It’s alright, i’d never do such a thing anyway.

Drive an electric car, that is.

johnboy 1:35 pm 15 Jun 11

Solidarity said :

If it’s all software controlled, and responds back to the grid telling it who to bill for the charge, you can bet that there will be people hacking the software to make it report some bogus account

Free fuel!

About the same degree of effort and criminality as siphoning fuel, but possibly leaving more forensic evidence.

Solidarity 1:34 pm 15 Jun 11

If it’s all software controlled, and responds back to the grid telling it who to bill for the charge, you can bet that there will be people hacking the software to make it report some bogus account

Free fuel!

triffid 12:37 pm 15 Jun 11

alaninoz said :

magiccar9 said :

How many ‘electric’ cars are there in Canberra at the moment that can take advantage of this? I’m guessing not enough to cover the costs associated with sticking in this pole!

Probably not, but it’s the old chicken and egg problem.

I’m aware of a Blade and two iMievs. I suspect there are a couple of converted vehicles around as well.

Still interested to know who pays for the power coming out of this thing and how it’s paid. Had a look at the Better Place web site and couldn’t see anything. I hope it’s not the taxpayer.

Ah ha! Well spotted, alaninoz. As I understand it, when you plug the car in it (the car) ‘communicates’ with ‘the grid’ and, thus, identifies itself to the supplier with sufficient detail as to ensure that the vehicle operator gets an invoice / has their monthly invoice added to. One issue that has been raised elsewhere, though, is that ‘the grid’ in Oz isn’t really enabled to operate in that manner (nor is it able to accomodate the prospect of the car ‘feeding back’ the grid — it is able — in off peak times). Nor is there currently any standard for that process to occur against. Sooo . . . I imagine that’s something Better Place will be managing with the vehicle owner (while conducting their auditing of energy offsets to ensure the balance of ‘green power’ supplied is equal or greater than what they have acquired of AGL).

Of course, if you drive to a friend’s place and plug your car into their 15 amp socket (umm, if they have one. Anyone here have a 15 A socket at their home? Or a dedicated circuit for one?) to ‘top up’ the batteries for the trip home, then guess who (currently) will pay for that? (Maaaate! I’m popping over now to catch the footy with ya. I’ll bring the beers providing you give me a couple of bucks ‘petrol money’ when I get there so that I can get home after).

PS: I just love it that, in the close background of that picture, there’s a ‘rocket ship’ Porsche GT something.

dpm 9:16 am 15 Jun 11

magiccar9 said :

How many ‘electric’ cars are there in Canberra at the moment that can take advantage of this? I’m guessing not enough to cover the costs associated with sticking in this pole!

Not sure, but Jess Bibby (Canberra Capitals) who is sponsored by the Rock Development Group/Belco Markets, was given one of these cars to drive. I’d say that explains why it is where it is:
http://www.rockdevelopmentgroup.com.au/index.php?option=com_zoo&task=item&item_id=34&Itemid=8

Good on Maria for spending some of her own/businesses’ money to try to start something different (i’ll leave the debate as to whether if it useful of not to other more cynical/jaded people!)

alaninoz 9:00 am 15 Jun 11

magiccar9 said :

How many ‘electric’ cars are there in Canberra at the moment that can take advantage of this? I’m guessing not enough to cover the costs associated with sticking in this pole!

Probably not, but it’s the old chicken and egg problem.

Still interested to know who pays for the power coming out of this thing and how it’s paid. Had a look at the Better Place web site and couldn’t see anything. I hope it’s not the taxpayer.

magiccar9 8:44 am 15 Jun 11

How many ‘electric’ cars are there in Canberra at the moment that can take advantage of this? I’m guessing not enough to cover the costs associated with sticking in this pole!

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