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Estuardo Ioberto Pazmino and the racy world of massage

johnboy 25 November 2010 12

The Supreme Court brings a lengthy description of accusations against masseuse Estuardo Ioberto Pazmino.

There seems to be a lot of Canberra women not wearing any underpants.


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ex-vectis ex-vectis 9:27 pm 10 Oct 12

And he’s back in court again after being acquitted last time …

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/alleged-rape-victim-froze-during-attack-20121009-27bli.html

parle parle 2:01 am 27 Nov 10

UrbanAdventure.org said :

What I find very sad about this is that police failed to act when one of the victims reported the issue. That would have saved the other women from having to go through what they did. I don’t know what the go is there, but it strikes me as being a poor choice of action on their part.

As this is sub judice your use of the word ‘victim’ is the presumption of guilt in the accused and that a crime has been committed – so far this is not the case. The other language you use also implies guilt so watch that.

You didn’t quote the order, perhaps to help your argument? but with regard to your comments about the police investigation in relation to count 7/CB,

CB phoned the police on 18 August and informed the police about the incident, however she indicated that she did not want to proceed with the matter.

What would you have had the police do?, ignore her request to not proceed, embarrass her further?, harass a potentially innocent man with serious charges and no complaint?

Even so it would have been difficult for them to take the complaint seriously because he only massaged ‘near’ her genitals (her account).

And what did count 7/CB do after contacting the police and telling them not to bother?; she confronted the accused and this was the resolution,… turns out it was a civil matter after all!

The accused offered a fully clothed massage to CB which she accepted.

Payment received, services rendered, case closed. To me it looks like she was using the police to coerce a refund, coppers love that.

You’re clearly not getting it though and I don’t think you read the order (like CHW), the judge heard all this and refused the charges, no crime, no guilt, the police were correct not to pursue prosecution as even in a court before a judge without any real defence from an accused the judge still said NO.

UrbanAdventure.org said :

I mean if some one came to them and said “some one just tried to murder me.” you can bet that would be investigated.

ahh the strawman defence,.. and no, if someone cried murder (for which turned out to be a slap on the knee) and later said don’t bother with criminal charges – I’ll just get a refund, it would be their character that would be in question.

deye deye 12:44 am 27 Nov 10

UrbanAdventure.org said :

What I find very sad about this is that police failed to act when one of the victims reported the issue. That would have saved the other women from having to go through what they did. I don’t know what the go is there, but it strikes me as being a poor choice of action on their part. I mean if some one came to them and said “some one just tried to murder me.” you can bet that would be investigated.

because according to the transcript she didn’t want proceed with the matter, no witness no case.

CB phoned the police on 18 August and informed the police about the incident, however she indicated that she did not want to proceed with the matter.

UrbanAdventure.org UrbanAdventure.org 4:14 pm 26 Nov 10

What I find very sad about this is that police failed to act when one of the victims reported the issue. That would have saved the other women from having to go through what they did. I don’t know what the go is there, but it strikes me as being a poor choice of action on their part. I mean if some one came to them and said “some one just tried to murder me.” you can bet that would be investigated.

sepi sepi 10:17 am 26 Nov 10

‘Racy’ is not a term usually associated with impartial rape reporting either.

Rape is not sexy or funny. It is a crime.

parle parle 12:23 am 26 Nov 10

CHW said :

What???
..
In what way, shape, or form is your reference to Canberra womens’ underwear anything other than deeply offensive??

In all but one case the victims were wearing their underwear, I would like to inform you.
..

‘Ms’ no underpantses’ will only be used for supporting evidence, there are no charges to answer in relation to these complaints so no crime could’ve been committed, judge said so, tell him if you’re that mad.

The accused did have the sense to shut up when arrested. Cops have done an exceptionally poor job collecting, the only statement they have from him is a recollection from an officer at the time of arrest where he admitted having consensual sex (which no doubt a fact that the accused will maintain), 2 separate instances of acts of indecency and a bunch of complaints from other women – none of which substantial enough to justify a pursuit of prosecution (judges words).

the burden of proof is on the prosecution with this one well and truly, count 1 has fleas (read the complainants phrasing at the time of the act) and will have to carry counts 2 – 5 (not proven count 1 = not proven count 2-5), counts 11 and 12 are undeserved of a prison sentence if he can show remorse and that his actions have cost him his livelihood.

Jungle Jim said :

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. I expect he’ll end up getting his very own ‘sensual’ massage while in prison.

there’s no sentence in this country that comprises of rape, all rape victims are undeserved and rape is completely humourless.

Male prison rape is a American phenomena, in Australian prisons it’s seen as ‘gay’.

jimbocool jimbocool 4:26 pm 25 Nov 10

I’m with CHW on this one. Definitely a tacky comment leading to the “she was asking for it” line (that will no doubt be raised by the defence).

p1 p1 3:32 pm 25 Nov 10

chewy14 said :

For my own opinion, I’d hate to be on a jury for this one. The guy sounds extremely dodgy but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s guilty of the charges.

+1

Although sadly, being guilt* doesn’t mean there’ll be the evidence necessary to convict him.

* – [I'd say hypothetically, but that implies he isn't guilty. Not that I am saying he is. Lets just all agree that I am not attempting to defame anyone yes?]

chewy14 chewy14 2:29 pm 25 Nov 10

CHW,

Actually two of the complainants weren’t wearing underwear.

And maybe you should wait for the actual trial to determine what the women consented/didn’t consent to?

If you are so easily offended maybe you should stay off the interwebz.

For my own opinion, I’d hate to be on a jury for this one. The guy sounds extremely
dodgy but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s guilty of the charges.

Jungle Jim Jungle Jim 1:57 pm 25 Nov 10

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. I expect he’ll end up getting his very own ‘sensual’ massage while in prison.

CHW CHW 1:55 pm 25 Nov 10

What???

Johnboy, have you been drinking?

In what way, shape, or form is your reference to Canberra womens’ underwear anything other than deeply offensive??

Have you followed this link and read the transcript?

I have.

In all but one case the victims were wearing their underwear, I would like to inform you.

In all cases the defendant is accused of either removing, or sliding his hands under, his victims’ underwear under the pretense of continuing the massage.

In all cases, the victims had not consented to anything remotely resembling the ‘massage’ inflicted upon them.

I resent your comment, and I call on you to apologise comprehensively for your outrageous remark.

krasny krasny 12:43 pm 25 Nov 10

Erm…Estuardo is clearly a masseur, not a masseuse?

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