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Falun Gong take it to the streets

By johnboy - 20 July 2009 36

[First filed: July 18, 2009 @ 22:08]

Around midday this Saturday I was collecting some roast duck and noodles from the exemplary Tak Kee Roast Inn in Dickson and was a little surprised, as I walked back to the car, to see a column of traffic approaching all bearing placards bolted on to roof racks.

The Falun Gong organ, the Epoch Times, has an AAP story explaining that the Gongers are trying to use the Stern Hu hysteria to demonise the Chinese Government, particularly as it relates to their own oppression:

    While the world watches China’s handling of the Stern Hu affair, former residents took to the streets of Canberra on Saturday as a reminder of their decade-long battle for freedom.

    Falun Gong disciple Elliot Fan led an unusual convoy of cars around the city to mark the 10th anniversary of the day Falun Gong was suddenly declared illegal.

While I have some doubts about Stern Hu’s innocence (and consider that the main reason for the Australian Government’s silence) I’ll admit to an admiration of Falun Gong’s persistent protest.

(Trying to separate anti-chinese sentiment from anti-chinese government sentiment probably isn’t a bad idea either.)

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36 Responses to
Falun Gong take it to the streets
kzx33 5:43 pm 21 Jul 09

BerraBoy68 said :

Is it just me or does anybody else suspect kzx33 to be an employee of the Chinese embassy? I wouldn’t be surprised if someone in there just kept a watch on the interwebs for anything falun gong related so they can jump on it PDQ.

There’s lots of info presented as facts but I’m not sold, sorry kzx33. BTW: were you out waving your red flag over the faces of taiwanese protestors during the local leg of the Beijing Olympics Torch relay.

With all this talk about Buddha and Tripitaka, I can’t help but think the falun gong could do with Monkey’s help to kick some serious state butt.

I not an employee of Chinese embassy nor a member of the so-called cyber police, but your reaction does not surprise me. It seems that whenever a Chinese express any pro-China sentiment, he/she will be instantly deemed as a brain-washed communist advocate, it normally follows with another remark such as:”if you like China so much. Why are you still here?”
I envy the people in Australia who are living in a meritocratic society where there is little income discrepancy and no clear line of demarcation between different classes, enjoy free-speech and having the right to vote under the democratic system. I do hope this could one day happen in China as well, but I just don’t think China-bashing is the solution, especially by cult group such as FalunGong.

BerraBoy68 3:15 pm 21 Jul 09

Is it just me or does anybody else suspect kzx33 to be an employee of the Chinese embassy? I wouldn’t be surprised if someone in there just kept a watch on the interwebs for anything falun gong related so they can jump on it PDQ.

There’s lots of info presented as facts but I’m not sold, sorry kzx33. BTW: were you out waving your red flag over the faces of taiwanese protestors during the local leg of the Beijing Olympics Torch relay.

With all this talk about Buddha and Tripitaka, I can’t help but think the falun gong could do with Monkey’s help to kick some serious state butt.

Granny 2:27 pm 21 Jul 09

kzx33 said :

The meetings made an appraisal of the well-known modern living Buddha, rabbis and dignitaries and then listed six disputed individuals.

I can assure you the modern living Buddha is not well-known in any of my circles.

kzx33 said :

After rounds of open discussions, it was decided through voting that Li Hongzhi and other four people were preachers of cult.

Voting is a great method of deciding such things. Just look at Galileo. Completely outvoted. The heretic!

kzx33 said :

The meetings noted that the so-called universal Buddha Dharma advocated by Li Hongzhi was utterly against the tripitaka doctrine of Buddha since it was nothing but fabricated heresies used to bewitch the ordinary people.

In other words somebody invented something different to what somebody else invented. Oh noes!

kzx33 12:44 pm 21 Jul 09

I having been living in China for 16 years and Australia for 10 years and I have been exposed to the information from both sides. I am amazed how hypocritical Falun Gong is.
From my point of view, back in China Falun Gong was nothing but a money-hungry organisation with a self-invented religion. Its religious leader Li Hongzhi (a factory worker who falsified his birth certificate to coincide with the birth date of Buddha and claims himself as the reincarnation) has only shown extensive interest in selling souvenirs, “praying accessories” and giving pay-per-view “healing seminars”. At this stage the Chinese government seemed to tolerate its existence and in fact some communist officials were also practicing Falun Gong in private. Mr. Li however went too far by claiming that his followers will not require any medical treatment when they get sick as long as they practice Falun Gong (he actively denied this after fled to America). The Government became even more anxious when it realised Mr. Li’s ability to mobilize large congregations. Subsequently the government intervened and banned Falun Gong in China by using state apparatus to lodge campaign against it.
Falun Gong self-claimed that it is a branch of Buddhist preaching; however it has no affiliation or association with any other Buddhist organisation. In fact during the conference held in Taiwan in the year 2000, the United International World Buddhism Association Headquarters has already deemed Li hongzhi as “a preacher of cult”.
I am not here to defend the authoritarian government in China; I am just here to tell the other side of story which is rarely heard in Australia. Sometimes the enemy’s enemy is not necessarily a friend.

United International World Buddhism Association Headquarters: Li Hongzhi labeled as a preacher of cult
United International World Buddhism Association Headquarters held a one-week World Forum on Buddhist, Buddhism and Buddha Dharma Uprightness in Taiwan. More than 2,000 Buddhists ranked living Buddha, dignitary and lay Buddhist from 28 countries including USA, Canada, France, Japan, Thailand and Nepal took part in the forum. The participants had made a review and appraisal of Li Hongzhi and other disputed individuals. The Forum determined through voting that Li Hongzhi was a preacher of cult, indicating that Li Hongzhi and other Falun Gong members had garbled Buddha Dharma, and that their so-called universal Buddha Dharma was utterly self-fabricated heresy.
It is reported in Thailand media that this global Buddhist conference was called on by United International World Buddhism Association Headquarters under the strong appealing of many dignitaries and lay Buddhists, in consideration that the fake Buddha Dharma and fallacies was mixed in the Buddhist circle at present time.
The meetings made an appraisal of the well-known modern living Buddha, rabbis and dignitaries and then listed six disputed individuals. After rounds of open discussions, it was decided through voting that Li Hongzhi and other four people were preachers of cult.
The meetings noted that the so-called universal Buddha Dharma advocated by Li Hongzhi was utterly against the tripitaka doctrine of Buddha since it was nothing but fabricated heresies used to bewitch the ordinary people.
United International World Buddhism Association, International Bodhi Vajra Association, World Buddhist Sangha Assembly and Tibetan Buddhism Association of America sent representatives to the meeting as well.

FC 11:17 am 20 Jul 09

Picter, some very good points you make there.
I often wonder how much is sacrificed for the dollar sign with our dear government.

Picter 10:33 am 20 Jul 09

Good on yous Falun Gongers! About time this persecution stops! Interesting to note that the Hu affair, an affair about money, got centre stage in our media, while the most vile persecution ever, an affair about human rights, is as good as forgotten by our media.

Makes one wonder, the Chinese Communist Party controls the Chinese media; who controls our media?

The Chinese Communist Party’s media brainwashes their citizens with their “communist principles”; doesn’t our media brainwashes us with their “capitalist principles” by choosing to ignore the most severe violation ever against human rights , so that capitalist greed can win over ethical human consciousness.

If we did business with the Mafia wouldn’t there be a public outcry. But doing business with a dictatorsip that incarcerates good people for their belief, tortures them and sells their organs on the open market and then incinerates their bodies to get rid of the evidence, that is tolerated by our society. Isn’t that worse then what the mafia ever did? Aren’t we accomplices in these crimes if we let those attrocities happen, so that we wouldn’t miss out on a business contract with this godless Communist Party?

Graham Cooke 9:06 am 20 Jul 09

Certainly let’s separate the Chinese people from the Government. As a regular visitor to Hong Kong over nearly 20 years I am delighted to see Falun Gong is still able to operate freely there. Hong Kong is far from the perfect democracy but attempts to restrict it further have been robustly resisted by the people. I hope that Hong Kong may be the model for the future evolution of the People’s Republic but I have my doubts. Change on the mainland will be resisted and will only come through violence and upheaval – and once again, it will be the people who suffer.

54-11 5:00 pm 19 Jul 09

I remember talking to a Singaporean several years ago, during the “reign” of Lee Kuan Yew (sp?). Her view was that the economic prosperity of Singapore was worth the suppression of individual freedoms by the government.

I suspect that for the majority of Chinese, their significant growth in living standards has been sufficient for them to accept that curtailment of basic human rights is a reasonable price to pay.

That’s probably why Iranians are currently challenging the Mullahs – there’s not enough trickle down.

Having said that, I am very sympathetic to the Falun Gong and always give them a toot when driving past their semi-permanent protest site outside the Chinese embassy.

housebound 3:32 pm 19 Jul 09

The Chinese Government is always right, even when it is wrong, and it behaves accordingly. How else would a government keep hundreds of millions of its citizens under control?

astrojax 11:20 am 19 Jul 09

Jivrashia said :

some roast duck and noodles from the exemplary Tak Kee Roast Inn in Dickson

Mmmm… Roast duck from Tak Kee… *cue gurgle sound Homer Simpson makes*

(dabs away drool)
As much as one can sympathise with Falun Gong and Tibetans, I don’t think the Chinese government and their iron fist policy, which prizes political stability over human rights, isn’t going to go away soon, unless there’s another Tiananman square protest that can turn into a revolution. It (the 1989 protest) was almost successful in dividing the military and could have left the political leaders without their big stick.

But then who’s to say that the post-revolution government might not be even worse than the toppled one?

plus one for the drool.

and i suspect the hu case is very mired in a deep cultural divide, with a commensurate gulf of silence from the chinese which makes assessing anything about it from what we hear about it a dread task. but you’ve got to keep hoping at least maybe something similar to iran, or even better, indonesia, in terms of bringing a draconian regime towards some semblance of real democracy, can happen soon in china.

Anna Key 7:32 am 19 Jul 09

“While I have some doubts about Stern Hu’s innocence (and consider that the main reason for the Australian Government’s silence)”

I would have thought export markets were a bigger cause of silence than Stern Hu’s guilt or innocence

Hrmmm 12:48 am 19 Jul 09

JB, good that one raises awareness of the association between Epoch Times and Falun Gong/Falun Dafa, but one cannot see how this applies to the Hu situation, outside of the broader PRC Public Security Bureau powers – however applied….

Jivrashia 12:43 am 19 Jul 09

some roast duck and noodles from the exemplary Tak Kee Roast Inn in Dickson

Mmmm… Roast duck from Tak Kee… *cue gurgle sound Homer Simpson makes*

(dabs away drool)
As much as one can sympathise with Falun Gong and Tibetans, I don’t think the Chinese government and their iron fist policy, which prizes political stability over human rights, isn’t going to go away soon, unless there’s another Tiananman square protest that can turn into a revolution. It (the 1989 protest) was almost successful in dividing the military and could have left the political leaders without their big stick.

But then who’s to say that the post-revolution government might not be even worse than the toppled one?

Serenity-Later 12:28 am 19 Jul 09

I saw these guys over at the Belco markets this afternoon too and it made me immensely grateful to be living in a country where people don’t get clobbered for expressing an opinion or for partaking in a protest. Given that they aren’t only ethnic or religious group that have experienced oppression at the hands the Chinese government, this group can’t be the brainwashing cult that native chinese (or at least the ones i’ve been acquainted with) want us to believe.

On an entirely different matter, is it just me or does the chinese dating ad that’s popped up on this page seem inappropriate?

Granny 10:25 pm 18 Jul 09

I have a very deep sympathy for the Falun Gong. China’s attitude to human rights makes me frequently grateful to be a citizen of Australia. I hope that Chinese expatriates will continue to support the Falun Gong in their protest.

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