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FBT catastrophe hits Barton

johnboy 3 August 2010 41

The Canberra Times informs us of the imminent opening of the Morris Property Group’s Broughton Street parking lot in Barton.

Due to the Morris Property Group setting the day fee 54 cents above the FBT threshold the 10,000 odd public servants who work within 1km of the car park are now going to be hit with fringe benefits tax for their on-site parking.

The AFP, Foreign Affairs, Environment, Finance, Attorney-General’s, Prime Minister and Cabinet, and Parliament House will all be copping the sting when the park goes live in two weeks time.

One hopes the bus system, already chaotic on National Circuit around 5pm, can cope.


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vg vg 4:43 pm 25 Aug 10

Fouad Maatouk said :

vg said :

….and before I get the ‘what would you know?’, I’ve worked in Barton for the last 2 years

So you work in Barton Mr VG?

From your previous comments I must admit that I thought you were an operational front-line police officer.

Don’t believe everything you read on the internet……………..

Fouad Maatouk Fouad Maatouk 2:01 pm 06 Aug 10

vg said :

….and before I get the ‘what would you know?’, I’ve worked in Barton for the last 2 years

So you work in Barton Mr VG?

From your previous comments I must admit that I thought you were an operational front-line police officer.

p1 p1 7:55 am 06 Aug 10

vg said :

If you can’t find free parking in the Barton area you need your head examined.

I think the issue for most people isn’t that they can’t find a spot now, but that they might not be able to at some as yet undetermined time in the future.

Scrumpox Scrumpox 9:44 pm 05 Aug 10

Maybe people should pay for parking – there’s a massive opportunity cost associated with sprawling car parks in prime positions producing next to no benefit, apart from allowing a few tossers to feel good about how close their car is to their desk.

Anyway,$8 a day for 600 cars by 200 work days per annum doesn’t actually produce a viable return for the land-holder, ie if the land is worth $30 million that’s only a 3% return. Think about it – how long will it be a car park before it is re-zoned (by the ACT govt) and 400 apartments built – with a profit of some $150 million created for whoever owns it. The stamp duty alone will be $20 million. It’ll be rezoned within a year.

There are bigger issues at play than public servants and paid parking… Its all about big business, re-zoning and reaping the financial rewards…

vg vg 11:01 pm 04 Aug 10

….and before I get the ‘what would you know?’, I’ve worked in Barton for the last 2 years

shadow boxer shadow boxer 7:08 pm 04 Aug 10

I wasn’t really talking about the rights or wrongs of it, it’s just really strange politics.

If you add the Russell precinct to the 10,000 workers affected and include their partners Labour has imposed a $100 a fortnight tax on up to 20,000 voters two weeks before the election.

If the liberals came out with a full page add tomorrow promising not to do this they couls peobably pick up 10-15,000 votes without losing any because if you dont work there you dont care (unless you are just mean).

Its probably not enough to effect the result in Canberra or Fraser but if the good people of Jerra, QBN, Bungendore and Wombeyan (who will have worse bus issues than me) fire up it could deliver Eden Monaro to the Liberals and probably throw Stanhope out at the next local election.

TheObserver TheObserver 5:42 pm 04 Aug 10

Shadow Boxer – do not think for one minute that Stanhope and his crew and the Opposition give the tiniest bit of the proverbial for your situation or that of any Mr/Mrs/Ms Ordinary Citizen. They are interested only in how little service they have to give, while maximising how much they can wring from your wallet and then come election time find out what scares you the most and then tell you who is to blame. But they are absolutely not interested in anything other than their own interests and that of the party machines they serve. It is a case of mind over matter. They don’t mind, because you don’t matter.

vg vg 5:34 pm 04 Aug 10

shadow boxer said :

It would be great if Stanhope could explain how I am going to drop my four kids at three different schools while making the three separate bus trips it takes to get from Ngunnawal to my work in Barton. I can’t drop them at school before 8 am.

If the Liberal party handles this correctly it could win Eden Monaro….

Who’s choice was it to have 4 kids at 3 different schools.

If you can’t find free parking in the Barton area you need your head examined.

Welcome to what the rest of society has to deal with daily

I-filed I-filed 5:17 pm 04 Aug 10

Did they think this through? Huge productivity cost to the nearby fed departments: 60 per cent of staff are at EL1 level or above, and they will simply (unofficially) count the walking to work from free parking further away as work time by way of protest. That’s already being threatened by several co-workers, e.g. one dedicated EL1 colleague whose working day is 8.00 to 5.30 and never takes time in lieu, is planning to work 8.30 to 5.00 … replicated all over, that’d be at least $100,000 a day in lost productivity …

shadow boxer shadow boxer 4:36 pm 04 Aug 10

I’m the husband,

My point was it is impossible for me to catch the bus, meet my commitments, and still work business hours,

I’m probably not the only one out there given the amount of people that live in Eden Monaro, work in Barton and don’t want to pay an extra $100+ a fortnight in car parking fees. It would be enough to change my vote

p1 p1 3:06 pm 04 Aug 10

shadow boxer said :

It would be great if Stanhope could explain how I am going to drop my four kids at three different schools while making the three separate bus trips it takes to get from Ngunnawal to my work in Barton. I can’t drop them at school before 8 am.

If the Liberal party handles this correctly it could win Eden Monaro….

The libs answer to this involves the wife staying home (after dropping the kids at school in the small hatchback) and doing some house work and cooking, while the husband [Note: "Husband"=Male & "Wife"=Female Only] drives the large “family” car to work and earns the money so they can afford to donate generously while at church on Sunday.

What was your question again?

S4anta S4anta 2:16 pm 04 Aug 10

georgesgenitals said :

TheObserver said :

The people this will hurt are the coal face public servants …

Why are you singling out black people?

and the welsh.

shadow boxer shadow boxer 2:09 pm 04 Aug 10

It would be great if Stanhope could explain how I am going to drop my four kids at three different schools while making the three separate bus trips it takes to get from Ngunnawal to my work in Barton. I can’t drop them at school before 8 am.

If the Liberal party handles this correctly it could win Eden Monaro….

georgesgenitals georgesgenitals 1:56 pm 04 Aug 10

TheObserver said :

The people this will hurt are the coal face public servants …

Why are you singling out black people?

TheObserver TheObserver 1:46 pm 04 Aug 10

And you will note how nasty Stanhope gets when anyone challenges him about his free parking that he does not look like getting rid of any time soon. He calls it a cheap shot. Yeah right, a cheap shot to demand accountability. And where is Zed in all of this?

And of course Stanhope and his coterie of attack poodles blather on about ‘moaning fatcats’ – but you can bet your bottom dollar that the Departments will pay the FBT for the bloated ranks of the SES (and far too many of them with ‘Special’) in their job title – i.e. they have no staff or responsibilities and should be made redundant.

The people this will hurt are the coal face public servants – APS 3 to APS 6 – some EL1s – working mothers, single breadwinner fathers – they are the ones who are going to cop the biggest impost on this and only negative spin from the Chief Spinmeister and silence from the Opposition and obfuscation from Kate Lundy. Only Sen Humphries is seeing it for what it is – a cyncial ploy in Caretaker mode and a way down the track of lining the pork barrel for the next ACT election.

I wonder if there are any figures out there on the likely revenue and how it will be applied. I’ll give you drunkards odds it wont be to improve the moribund ACTION Bus services.

btw – declaration time – I work in civic.

Growling Ferret Growling Ferret 9:02 am 04 Aug 10

After three days of 600 carparks short in the parl triangle, staff are getting used to the 10 minute walk to their offices.

I wonder how long it will be before the new carpark owners start bleating that their facility is underused and they can’t compete with all the free parking.

Special G Special G 8:45 am 04 Aug 10

It will go down like a lead fart for a little while then people will talk about the good ol days when they used to park for free. People will still park there and pay for it because they are too lazy to try another option.

Dr Strange Dr Strange 10:50 pm 03 Aug 10

Was listening to our Grand High Numbnut Stanhope this morning on the ABC about public transport, this parking issue, etc. Rather than trying to understand things he basically called listeners who rang up to comment on this and poor public transport in general as exaggerating or lying. I know from personal experience they aren’t because I live near town, used to work not far from one of the bus exchanges and it still took me 45+ mins to get a bus to work – and a 15mins drive. Can someone explain why a Labour politician in the middle of a tight election campaign would basically be calling people liars on radio!! Unless Canberra’s residents are just being held in contempt.

Jivrashia Jivrashia 9:35 pm 03 Aug 10

S4anta said :

Growling Ferret said :

JB

I’m pretty sure the FBT only kicks on for the staff who are provided an allocated car park, not just normal plebs who are suffering the parking nightmare that is currently unfolding!

I think if it is a salary sacrifice thing, FBT does come into the mix. Will need a beancounter to confirm though…

The confusing line about this car parking benefit is the following line:

(d) the provision of parking facilities for the car during the period or periods is in respect of the employment of the employee;

In respect of??

“in respect of” , in relation to the employment of an employee, includes by reason of, by virtue of, or for or in relation directly or indirectly to, that employment.

So… can anybody park in these places? If the answer is yes, then that proves that there is no “relation” between provision of a car park space and employment, so FBT does not apply.

astrojax astrojax 9:02 pm 03 Aug 10

John Moulis said :

It won’t just affect public servants. Tourists who attend the attractions within the Parliamentary triangle will have to pay as well. Not to mention students and other low income earners (ie: the disabled) who utilise the National Library. Would the recent exhibition at the National Gallery have been such a success if pay parking was operating? I know first hand about such a tax on tourism. I used to visit Bondi Beach every few weeks back in the early 1990s but I stopped going altogether because every time I returned to my car I’d find the inevitable souvenir of Sydney – a parking ticket under the wiper. Public transport within the Parliamentary triangle is very poor so that really isn’t an option. You would think the powers that be would be doing all they can to attract tourists and look after low income earners but I guess the lure of all that extra revenue proved too tempting in the end.

no, there is no pay parking within the triangle, and likely won’t be any time soon – and in any case, only specified employees for whom parking is provided will pay this tax, not joe public on a visit. as for ‘sydney souvenirs’ however, you’ll get a ticket wherever you park illegally – if you can’t/won’t read signs, don’t complain…

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