3 November 2010

Final stage of Gungahlin Drive to start this month

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Chief Minister Stanhope has announced the contract has been awarded for the last part of the fabled Gungahlin Drive Extension:

The ACT Government has awarded a $15.5 million contract for the final stage of the duplication of the Gungahlin Drive Extension (GDE) Chief Minister and Minister for Transport, Jon Stanhope, said today.

Due to start this month, the work includes the construction of new lanes connecting the Barton Highway to Belconnen Way, and the resealing of a section of the GDE between Bandjalong Crescent in Aranda and the Glenloch Interchange.

Non Gunghettes should try to contain their enthusiasm at the promise of easier access to the Light of the North.

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ive noticed they moved the concrete road divider furthur to one side of the road on the GDE between barton highway and ginninderra drive. does this mean there will be a temporary dual carriage way southbound?

Something else frightening about this set of roadworks is contained in the last dotpoint below (from http://www.chiefminister.act.gov.au/media.php?v=10103):

The stage two (northern) roads works include:
•Construction of a southbound bridge over the Barton Highway;
•Construction of a new southbound two-lane carriageway from the Barton Highway to Ginninderra Drive;
•Duplication of the super tee overpasses at Ellenborough Street and Ginninderra Drive plus a pre-cast concrete arch fauna underpass at Lyneham Ridge;
•Additional lanes north and south bound carriageways between Ginninderra Drive and Belconnen Way;
•Duplication of the Belconnen Way overpass; and
•Duplication of the road works from Belconnen Way through to the Aranda flora underpass.

What’s a “flora underpass”? I envisage liana vines crawling through, on darkened nights…

Gungahlin Al said :

Of interest is this media release from the CM about a relatively small component of the fix to the cock-up that was John Hargreaves’ single lane GDE.

I have a lot of time for Tony Gill. I just feel he has been dealt a poisoned chalice, having at times to defend the indefensible.

Oh, that numbnut Hargreaves. I remember driving home from Civic when the GDE was officially finished (in the political sense only), with Hargreaves standing by the side of the road waving at the traffic with a big silly grin on his face. Christ it was tempting. I don’t think for a minute that even Hargreaves believed the job was truly finished.

As for Tony Gill, he always struck me a being a sensible man, and I think he was indeed dealt a poisoned chalice.

Thoroughly Smashed10:06 am 04 Nov 10

Keijidosha said :

When this section of road was first duplicated it could have easily been done properly with hotmix, instead of the cheap and nasty asphalt

To be clear, asphalt is the bituminous petroleum byproduct used to hold everything together and is found in all kinds of different road surfaces. “Hotmix” merely refers to one method of producing a specific surface type; asphalt concrete.

But I agree, chip seal is nasty. It’s cheap though.

This syle of thinking puzzles me…. Anyway, I just dont understand this particular planning method.

Of course, it saved money in the short term, and if you dont duplicate roads at all then it saves money in the longer term. Yes, the ‘cost’ of that decision ends up being borne by Gunghalin residents who are stuck in traffic etc during peak hour. But if you dont live in Gunghalin, then you dont bear any of the cost.

In reality, the decision was a usual government procurement decision – spend the least amount of money possible to get something that might possibly do the job well enough and allow the Minister to cut a ribbon. The rise of procurment officers, replacing engineers/planners/specialists, strikes again.

We once drove for ages along horse park drive, with another driver in front of us in the wrong lane (wrong side of the road) for ages – several km. We flashed our lights and beeped etc, but eventually the driver realised, once some traffic appeared travelling towards her in her lane.

She was obvioulsy unaware of the concept of single lane roads as main thoroughfares.

Gungahlin Al said :

Keijidosha said :

A muppet could see that Gundaroo Drive and Horse Park drive both need duplication, and the link between Clarrie Hermes Drive and Kuringa Drive needs to be built sooner rather than later.

Clarrie Hermes missing link is close, plus more of the missing bits of HP Drv.

BTW Andrew Barr told a UC student journo who interviewed both of us a couple of weeks back that none of the other roads out of Gungahlin need duplication. Only a person who never uses such roads at peak periods could believe such a thing.

This syle of thinking puzzles me.

Gungahlin was always going to be one of the largest growth areas in the ACT, mainly due to the lack of land now availiable in Tuggers (urban infill was stopped at Symonston due to the legless lizard. Isnt a legless lizard a snake??? Anyway thats another thread). Why not built the road infrastructure first. The planning department already knows what the projected populations will be & should be able to plan for the transport load required to support those poulations.

Gundaroo Drive & Horse Park Roads should ahve been built as dual carraigeway intially & then lenghted as mor outer suburbs were released.

The airport was a nother planning debarcle but I guess the ACT Gov had no say in that as they were steamrolled to a certain degree.

Anyway, I just dont understand this particular planning method.

Steve_Pedestrian6:57 am 04 Nov 10

The roads leading into/out of Gungahlin really are disgraceful. No wonder it takes so long to get anywhere.

Look at it this way:
Gungahlin Drive = 2 lanes each direction until Barton Highway.
Horse Park = 1 lane.
Gundaroo Drive = mostly 1 lane, except near roundabouts.
Flemington Road = Only recently 2 lanes until Mitchell then 1 to Northbourne Ave.

Gungahlin Al10:05 pm 03 Nov 10

Keijidosha said :

A muppet could see that Gundaroo Drive and Horse Park drive both need duplication, and the link between Clarrie Hermes Drive and Kuringa Drive needs to be built sooner rather than later.

Clarrie Hermes missing link is close, plus more of the missing bits of HP Drv.

BTW Andrew Barr told a UC student journo who interviewed both of us a couple of weeks back that none of the other roads out of Gungahlin need duplication. Only a person who never uses such roads at peak periods could believe such a thing.

As I told Ross Solly on 666 this morning, people are just going to have to get used to a lot of money being spent on infrastructure projects in and around Gungahlin for the foreseeable future. It is where the lion’s share of ACT revenues are coming from in the way of land sales, and it is going to need a whole lot more in the way of stuff being built to service one of the fastest growing populations in the country.

And even so, what Gungahlin gets will end up so much poorer in quality than the vast boulevards that were built in Canberra’s earlier years. The evidence is there for all to see in what has been delivered to date.

That said, some things like the college and library will be truly outstanding. Have you seen that site lately? It is getting close, and when it opens it will redefine our town centre.

JC said :

DeadlySchnauzer said :

So can someone explain to me why the Tuggeranong has 4 being the Parkway, Athlon Drive, the Tuggeranong Parkway and forget it’s name at the moment but the road that goes past Erindale through to Woden Hospital.

Athllon Drive, Tuggeranong Parkway, Erindale Dr/Yamba Dr, Isabella Dr and Johnson Dr.

Plus Namatjira if you count that.

Tuggeranong Parkway, Athllon Drive, Erindale Drive (which turns into Yamba Drive), Monaro Hwy.

Tuggeranong has 4 being the Parkway, Athlon Drive, the Tuggeranong Parkway and forget it’s name at the moment but the road that goes past Erindale through to Woden Hospital.

Parkway, and Tuggeranong Parkway? Do you mean Namatjira and Tuggeranong Parkway?

Simple: If Gunghalin only has one access road it will be easier to isolate and send in the armed forces when it inevitably descends into a lawless ghetto. The first test in preparation of this plan was executed perfectly when skilled technicians brought down the GDE access bridge.

In all seriousness though, Gungahlin has been completely stiffed on access roads. Even the much maligned multi-million dollar GDE only managed to move the peak hour parking lot a few kilometres down the road. A muppet could see that Gundaroo Drive and Horse Park drive both need duplication, and the link between Clarrie Hermes Drive and Kuringa Drive needs to be built sooner rather than later.

DeadlySchnauzer said :

So can someone explain to me why the Gunghettes get both the GDE *and* the Majura Parkway built for them, both of which link Gungahlin to the South of Canberra (via Tuggers parkway and Monaro Highway respectively). If you look on a map its a bit silly really, both originate in Gungahlin, its just one passes the city on the east and ends up in east tuggers, the other passes the city on the west and ends up in west tuggers. Surely only one of these roads was needed?

because all roads lead to Gungahlin, the birthplace of civilisation (well in the ACT anyway)

DeadlySchnauzer said :

So can someone explain to me why the Gunghettes get both the GDE *and* the Majura Parkway built for them, both of which link Gungahlin to the South of Canberra (via Tuggers parkway and Monaro Highway respectively). If you look on a map its a bit silly really, both originate in Gungahlin, its just one passes the city on the east and ends up in east tuggers, the other passes the city on the west and ends up in west tuggers. Surely only one of these roads was needed?

What’s the issue? Belconnen has 3 main roads out, being William Hovell, Belconnen Way and Ginninderra Drive, actually 4 if you also count the Barton Highway. Woden has a choice of 3, Hindmarsh, Tuggeranong Parkway and Adelide Ave and Tuggeranong has 4 being the Parkway, Athlon Drive, the Tuggeranong Parkway and forget it’s name at the moment but the road that goes past Erindale through to Woden Hospital. So why should Gungahlin be any different and have just 1 road out?

Gungahlin Al4:37 pm 03 Nov 10

Those talking about the Monaro Hwy may be pleased to hear that the Federal Govt’s $30 million that was granted to do the first stage of the Majura Parkway to Connect the top end of the Monaro straight through to Majura Road to the north of Bland Depot has in fact been reallocated to complete the duplication on the Moanro through Fyshwick. Due to start fairly soon I believe. So we have to lobby Anthony Albanese all over again to get more funding to remove the obstacle path that KB1971 so adroitly describes. (Not that i think for a moment that the Monaro didn’t also warrant doing – if not for that bottleneck when I first moved backed to Canberra I may have ended up a southside resident…)

The push for Majura Parkway has a lot less to do with Gungahlin commuters than it has to do with providing a heavy transport bypass to the city, plus a freight link from the airport for Messrs Snow’s dreaded 24/7 freight hub.

Of interest is this media release from the CM about a relatively small component of the fix to the cock-up that was John Hargreaves’ single lane GDE. There have not been similar releases for the other contracts as they were kicked off, that I can recall. I think he is trying to reinforce his statements on 666 yesterday about “all the infrastructure that is being delivered in Gungahlin” when questioned about the culling of playing fields from Casey and Crace concept plans.

As for having to reseal sections already due to the totally crap first job, +1 for what Keijidosha said. Not the bit about dopes though. I have a lot of time for Tony Gill. I just feel he has been dealt a poisoned chalice, having at times to defend the indefensible.

Same can be said for the Barton Highway. The difference being that the intersections added to that mess are dangerous as well as inconvenient.

Or how about the roundabout where the Federal Highway meets Antill Street for a piece of genius? “Hay guise, we don’t want traffic screaming into Northbourne Avenue at 100kph, so install a roundabout at the bottom of a steep hill and pave it with teflon. What’s that? Crashes you say? Well rip up the teflon and repave it with something slightly more abrasive than a wet bathtub.”

KB1971 said :

It would have been an extremely intelligent thing to make Majura Road into a Canberra bypass doubling as an arterial link into Gungahlin.

Why was this never obvious to the powers that be? Instead, lets put some extra traffic lights in at the Hume prison, and slow things down further. When there could have been a highway quality road from south of Calwell to the Federal Highway, instead things are getting slower and slower.

That’ll make it the GDEE.

If they keep up the good work, it’ll be GDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE at the rate they’re going.

DeadlySchnauzer said :

So can someone explain to me why the Gunghettes get both the GDE *and* the Majura Parkway built for them, both of which link Gungahlin to the South of Canberra (via Tuggers parkway and Monaro Highway respectively). If you look on a map its a bit silly really, both originate in Gungahlin, its just one passes the city on the east and ends up in east tuggers, the other passes the city on the west and ends up in west tuggers. Surely only one of these roads was needed?

I actually see the merit in upgrading Majura Road and believe that it should have happend first. Haivng said that I am looking entirely from a southsider point of veiw. The Monaro Hwy is a major artery into Canberra & carries a lot of through traffic with the likes of heavy trucks, travellers to Sydney from SE NSW & Eastern Vic.

It would have been an extremely intelligent thing to make Majura Road into a Canberra bypass doubling as an arterial link into Gungahlin.

But do we do this? No, instead we force vehicles that are over dimension, b-double rated ect to negotiate two 90degree corners (which thankfully have traffic lights on them now) & two extra roundabouts & along a single lane road that is over stressed and has been for years.

Oh, its not just Gungahlin residents that are inconvenienced in the mornings, the Monaro Highway comes to a standstill in the mornings almost as far back as the gaol (isnt that an eye opener at 100km/h) at times because the bulk of the traffic has to merge at the Canberra Ave overpass.

KB1971 said :

Yay, NOW FINISH THE MONARO HIGHWAY!!!!!!!

+1

p1 said :

So when are they going to build the bit to connect the GDE to the federal highway, and make the road of some use to the majority of Canberrans, who don’t like in the Gunghetto, and don’t want to visit there?

Sandford Street is being / will be extended to Federal Highway – which is why the intersection of Sandford St / Flemington Road is currently being upgraded.

So when are they going to build the bit to connect the GDE to the federal highway, and make the road of some use to the majority of Canberrans, who don’t like in the Gunghetto, and don’t want to visit there?

…the irony of mispelling ‘incompetent’ is not lost on me either.

“and the resealing of a section of the GDE between Bandjalong Crescent in Aranda and the Glenloch Interchange.”

When this section of road was first duplicated it could have easily been done properly with hotmix, instead of the cheap and nasty asphalt that now apparently needs resealing a mere 2-3 years later. Judging by the poor condition of all roads leading to Glenloch, this might be an indication of what will become a very costly maintanence regime.

Then again that would be modus-operandi for the incompent, short sighted dopes who have overseen the entire GDE farce.

So during this construction phase, will my Gunghette staff still be working on Gungahlin time?

Yay, NOW FINISH THE MONARO HIGHWAY!!!!!!!

Non Gunghettes should try to contain their enthusiasm at the promise of easier access to the Light of the North.

Spat coffee all over my keyboard. Invoice for a replacement is on the way, JB.

DeadlySchnauzer10:26 am 03 Nov 10

So can someone explain to me why the Gunghettes get both the GDE *and* the Majura Parkway built for them, both of which link Gungahlin to the South of Canberra (via Tuggers parkway and Monaro Highway respectively). If you look on a map its a bit silly really, both originate in Gungahlin, its just one passes the city on the east and ends up in east tuggers, the other passes the city on the west and ends up in west tuggers. Surely only one of these roads was needed?

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