Flame of The Week - VvV in defence of Elkie Stuart

Granny said :

You seem to be quite happy to pick on Mrs G, AngryHenry. It is ok to slander somebody as long as you are doing it, it seems.

I don’t think it’s okay. You have to remember that I didn’t start this. And I don’t think I’ve slandered anyone really, merely commented on their actions which, in my opinion, speak for themselves.

johnboy said :

proto-bogan

much like a westie but wearing an iron maiden tshirt and tighter jeans.

mostly extinct.

There are still some pockets of resistance in Higgins,Holt, Flynn, Kambah, Fraser, Charnwood, Dunlop, Gungahlin, Nichols, Some in tuggeranong and a smattering in Woden.

I think that you forgot to mention the short front and sides haircut, Business up front and a party out back.

This whole thread is a just the result of tall poppy syndrome. Someone succeeded at something, and so the masses have to tear it down to justify their own sad existences.

You seem to be quite happy to pick on Mrs G, AngryHenry. It is ok to slander somebody as long as you are doing it, it seems.

As a ‘self confessed bogan’ I’d like to say I came to the defence of Elkie! As I will anyone who is mocked, slandered, picked on, whatever you want to call it by people who are hiding behind aliases and really have no ‘cred’ to base their criticisms on.

I don’t know how the OP can be called a ‘nutter’ when in my opinion it takes a real nutter to go online trying to dig up trash on people they don’t know anything about, find a picture of them and then post it entirely out of context just to bolster themselves to whatever level of status they have built in their own small mind.

It doesn’t make you a super investigative journalist, it just makes you a sad lonely person who obviously has nothing better to do and probably doesn’t think much of themselves.

IT’s not who you are but what you do that defines you (I think Batman said that, the new one, not the one who was in the closet and having an affair with his ‘ward’).

proto-bogan

much like a westie but wearing an iron maiden tshirt and tighter jeans.

mostly extinct.

Growling Ferret said :

Anyway – it got me thinking. Using the stereotypes in that thread and others on here, judged by suburb or area of residence, Canberra can easily be divided like this:

Kambah – Booners
Charnie – Ferals
Inner North – pink shirt collar up tossbags for under 25’s, the rest are latte sipping wankers.
Inner South – Old money Liberal voting chardie sipping wankers
Lanyon Valley – Single mums
Gungahlin – Migrants
Kingston – Wannabes
Queanvegas – Those too povvo to live in Canberra.

Anyone I missed?

Forgive my ignorance, but what on earth is a Booner?? lol

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

We shouldn’t hate Elkie because she’s beautiful.

No. We should hate her because she plays country music.

The whole ‘beautiful’ thing just gives the hatred that extra sheen of jealousy and bitterness.

You can’t ask a woman her age. It’s probably illegal in four states.

; )

But I am old enough to know better, that’s for sure.

We shouldn’t hate Elkie because she’s beautiful.

how old are you mmm “granny”?

It’s entirely possible that I’m delirious … I fell asleep on the toilet last night you know.

First I got to thinking, and then I got to dreaming, and then I couldn’t tell if I was thinking or dreaming and then I woke up with the most dreadful pins and needles in my feet and then I thought, “No walk for you tonight, young lady. You’re going to bed!” So I did.

I reckon I’m pretty tired, but. Probably shouldn’t go out again tonight, but I still will.

Who knows?

*chuckle*

Granny, what you talkin aboot marm?

I would actually have to defend Elkie’s honour on that one, but fortunately I know that sixteen people will be all falling over themselves to do it tomorrow so I can put my feet up.

: )

Not sure about Kingston – Wannabes only reason I lived there once was because of the short stagering distance from Filthys and the Durum etc.

Elkie would be really nice girl if she gave me a bed bath wearing that nurses uniform.

Oh she is not a nurse? So what is she?

Elkie does not live in a guvvie druggy smacky residence, I-filed! You people are so mean!!

; )

Having a Red Hill address does not denote affluence – there are dozens -if not a hundred – guvvie druggy smacky residences in Red Hill, mostly flats but some of them detached houses!

Very good advice, tom-tom, but I’m betting you won’t be able to help yourself! Any arguments? No? Good! I thought so!!

*chuckle*

I actually think VVV has a couple of valid points, but unfortunately that was all undone with: ‘Elkie is an incredibly talented country musician’. Shudder.

And I recall the first time I saw the word ‘Troublemaker’ next to my name and wondering frantically what I’d done to upset the mods. Easy done.

VvV; you are 100% right but arguing the point just drags the whole thing out. i’ve met elke and i agree with you, i tossed up defending her on the other thread but elected not to because it would have just prolonged it.

everything you have said is dead on and half the people here are only disagreeing to wind you up. (and just quietly dont argue with granny because she’ll just take it personally)

Growling Ferret said :

I agree with the nutter on this – but hey, its the Riotact, where you don’t necessarily need to have any facts to back up your opinion.

The holier than thou attitude in the Elkie thread by our humble contributors was OTT. I gave up on the thread early as it seemed a bit of a jealous bash. I have never met the girl, have not seen a photo, and don’t really care. But it did all seem petty.

Anyway – it got me thinking. Using the stereotypes in that thread and others on here, judged by suburb or area of residence, Canberra can easily be divided like this:

Kambah – Booners
Charnie – Ferals
Inner North – pink shirt collar up tossbags for under 25’s, the rest are latte sipping wankers.
Inner South – Old money Liberal voting chardie sipping wankers
Lanyon Valley – Single mums
Gungahlin – Migrants
Kingston – Wannabes
Queanvegas – Those too povvo to live in Canberra.

Anyone I missed?

Isaacs/O’Malley – stuck up c#*ts! 🙂

Elke is wonderful and I agree with everything she has, or ever will, say.

VvV, if you mean the one next to your name, think of it as an honourific title, based on how many comments you make in total.

Don’t take it personally.
Once (or if) you hang around for a while, we seem much less aggressive. Its just at the moment you’ve walked into the receiving end of our criticism, instead of the way most people do, and give a little before they take a little.

Perhaps, Johnboy, you should create a new rank like, Nutter, GNFI or Lost?

Yeah, well maybe other people believe in defending their friends too.

VvV said :

Oh my goodness. I can not believe how ridiculous this is getting. I’m being labeled a “trouble maker” now. Simply for disagreeing with regular RiotACT posters and defending my friend, and then defending my defense! This is craziness!

Troublemaker’s a compliment around here.

It means you’ve moved up a rank from Newbie.

Congratulations!

Footloose – “originally”? Your post is the second post.

Oh my goodness. I can not believe how ridiculous this is getting. I’m being labeled a “trouble maker” now. Simply for disagreeing with regular RiotACT posters and defending my friend, and then defending my defense! This is craziness!

Yo VvV…it’s not all about you! Someone else on the thread mentioned stalking. And I mentioned that ‘originally’ the thread wasn’t meant to be a personal attack.

Anyhow, I’ve moved on now…can you?

Footloose – also in response to #46. I find it interesting that you seem to think the original thread wasn’t personally insulting to Elkie seeings as you said “Poor Little Rich girl gets sweet job through parents connections; thinks she’s earned it, develops delusions of granduer and snobs regular people”.

GF, try Woden – well balanced, intelligent people who are worth listening to

All of Weston Creek. Its okay though, we get that alot.

I agree with the nutter on this – but hey, its the Riotact, where you don’t necessarily need to have any facts to back up your opinion.

The holier than thou attitude in the Elkie thread by our humble contributors was OTT. I gave up on the thread early as it seemed a bit of a jealous bash. I have never met the girl, have not seen a photo, and don’t really care. But it did all seem petty.

Anyway – it got me thinking. Using the stereotypes in that thread and others on here, judged by suburb or area of residence, Canberra can easily be divided like this:

Kambah – Booners
Charnie – Ferals
Inner North – pink shirt collar up tossbags for under 25’s, the rest are latte sipping wankers.
Inner South – Old money Liberal voting chardie sipping wankers
Lanyon Valley – Single mums
Gungahlin – Migrants
Kingston – Wannabes
Queanvegas – Those too povvo to live in Canberra.

Anyone I missed?

I disagree that there wew many personal attacks on Elkie.

Well shall i call you monkeys uncle then?

In the thread there were actually many personal attacks on Elkie and I never even mentioned stalking.

Ummm. If VvV and Elkie aren’t the same person,then I’ll be a monkeys uncle.

FFS, originally this was never a personal attack on Elkie. It was more a comment on the snobby, short sighted and self congratulating local media/social circuit and the bum licking writing style fo journalists.

Finding a picture on facebook and attaching it to a story is called research, not stalking 😉

But I guess if your going to sit on your pedestal and throw stones at people, you should be prepared to get the odd boulder back. Perhaps if you were Deborah Hutton or Maggie Tabbberrererer or even Lizzie Wagner you might get away with it but hey, your not. Lesson learned? Suck it up.

VvV said :

Elkie never said anything about the attire being “tarty”. Read what she actually said. Without the paraphrasing and interpretations.

Yes, but that wouldn’t have suited my lame gag would it.

So, “What is wrong with you people?” is not insulting? I can freely say that about any of your friends without you leaping to their defence, because it’s not, after all, insulting in any way shape or form?

I think referring to the length of a hemline and the amount of cleavage displayed makes it pretty clear what the issue really was. She was not commenting on the fact that women were wearing jeans and overalls and workshirts or opera glasses.

With all this talk about the Horse community, i find it interesting that all the newbies have racehorse names. Feathergirl, Jimski, Dolores……..

Any comment newbies or are you all feeling a little hoarse?

I have some sympathy for VvV in that she has leapt to the defence of one of her mates. I also know the Stuart family, and they are certainly a close, dignified and very respected family.

VvV, the RA is not the place to go if you are after any sort of fair play or justice. It is about as anarchic as you can get, led by JB and his cheer squad. Any serious post is flamed within a few minutes and it then degenerates into a free-for-all. Have a look at the recent thoughtful post by Tess Ryan on the sex industry, and the first response said: “that turned me on… ….. wanna fcuk ?”

That gives some idea of the quality of genuine debate on this site.

VvV and Elkie, give it away! You’re wasting your time with most of these boneheads.

Elkie never said anything about the attire being “tarty”. Read what she actually said. Without the paraphrasing and interpretations.

‘I used to go and see the races when I was four or five.
”The girls would be all dressed up and so glamorous.
”But when I went to the Melbourne Cup celebrations in Canberra on Tuesday, it was all really short dresses and a lot of cleavage, so different from the image I had in my mind.”

Also, I did not intend my post to be interpreted as abuse and I don’t think it is abuse. I did not personally insult anyone… nor everyone.

Good point, as always, ant!

: )

I wish to split a hair, and opine that the OP is actually a “rant”, not a “flame”. It’s a fine point, but flames are usually in ddirect response to something, and usually quite personally directed (to answer Granny though, you can flame a group; such posts are usually termed “you all suck” posts).

I think it’s a rant because it rambles on for quite a while, goes all over the place and canvasses several issues, rather than just abusing someone.

Rants are also more entertaining, usually, and so we should have a spot for Rant of the Week (right next to images of Queanbo).

Given Ms Stuart finds some of attire on Cup Day a little tarty, I delight in the irony that the defence of her honour by VvW has been titled “Flame of the week”.

I wonder who will be Ms Stuart’s flame next week. And the week after that…

Do I think you should have addressed specific comments rather than making a blanket judgment that there is something wrong with posters I like?

Hell, yes!

Granny – There were no other girls named in the post. None. Did I make any sort of dig at any other girls? No. Yes, I think in general the standard of dress is a lot lower than in previous years but that is actually an official action, hence the update of dress standards. I think your mistaking my defense of a friend as an attack on others.

“Obviously it’s easy for you and Elkie to be judgmental” – Excuse me? Exactly what do you mean by that Granny? And your comment regarding me judging you if you didn’t know what piece of cutlery to use. Wow. I have so many problems with these two statements I don’t even know where to begin.

Did you want me to specifically go through and pick out every one of the usernames whose comments i objected to? Considering how many posts are in the thread I think that’s a bit unreasonable! I think that is was relatively obvious that the people who I was aiming the post at where those who had made incredibly unfair, negative and rude comments about one of my friends.

I have always enjoyed and supported the tradition of the Melbourne Cup, but now I know that it’s infested by the snobby and catty I’ll happily let it die.

Cheers!

That there are people out there willing to completely hack into someone they dont know at all because of absolutely nothing.

Welcome to the internet !

I would like to commend the racing club on using this exercise to educate those ‘ladies’ on what the appropriate and more traditional ways of presentation for the races is, the atmosphere on Melbourne Cup day was somewhat more pleasant than in the past this year. Could that have been because of the standard of dress and attention to detail on some if not most of the attendees? Dare I say that feminism has a lot to answer for, with some of the less than fortunate girls who cant afford a whole dress? Isnt it funny that it would actually take the men to change their perception on what is classy and elegant to get the ‘ladies’ to relook at how they behave and act. Wouldnt take much… Be gone the boob toob!

VvV if you hang on this site for a while you’ll begin to notice a need to ingratiate by some contributors.

BerraBoy68 said :

I dispute VW’s claim that she finds Ms Stuart to be beautiful both inside and out. Personally I find the sight of someone’s liver, spleen, lungs etc. to be quite disgusting. Don’t even get me started on the small intestine and pancreas. I might be wrong however and look forward to VW providing a photo of Ms Stuarts innards.

LOL.

Reminds me of that gag: I like my women how I like my coffee … Ground into small packages and kept in the freezer.

Well, she didn’t make it clear who merited these ‘exceptions’ and when somebody asks what is wrong with ‘you people’ I would find that offensive whether I’m on an outing with my family, hanging around with my friends, attending a meeting, or participating in an online discussion with other regular contributors.

So, what, you can’t flame a group?

I did feel flamed.

GB said :

Listen to what she’s saying, respond to the content.

I think johnboy’s action in calling it “Flame of the week” in the context of “nutter of the month” constitutes “flaming” and is a pretty poor use of the power of the press.

Wow… GB and I agree on two points!

But time has shown that Jb isn’t a Saint.
If you want the patron saint of the media, journalists, newspapers, and newspaper editorials, you want this guy.
Maximilian Kolbe.
(Who is mysteriously also the patron saint of families, prisoners (political and otherwise), prisons, and drug addicts)

Granny said :

Well, I felt flamed by VvV.

Where is the attack on you personally?

The closest she got was “seriously, what is wrong with you people!?” in reference to what (pretty fairly) she estimated as the overall tone of the discussion. And, she made it pretty clear that she felt there are exceptions.

Many of the posts were actually attacking other young women at the races that day – you are obviously fine with that.

Yet they could have been beautiful and talented also.

Not every girl is raised in the racing culture. Not every girl would even have that kind of wardrobe, especially the young ones.

Obviously it’s easy for you and Elkie to be judgmental, but heaven forbid that anybody should criticise either of you!

I could certainly not have afforded to buy a new outfit if somebody had taken me to the races, and whilst I probably wouldn’t have turned up in a ‘nightie’ as my wardrobe isn’t particularly stocked with party dresses I can understand that mostly that is what young women may have in the way of ‘good’ clothes.

If they bought something new it is also not surprising that they bought the sort of dress that their peers would be wearing.

Will you judge me if I don’t know what piece of cutlery to use as well?

I only believe in sexy racing dresses when all chicks involved are hot.

Yeah I’m getting a very clear lesson in paragraphing right here! Ha! I guess I was just so outraged, didn’t realise how long the post was getting and didn’t really feel the need to edit a post for an online discussion, which is apparently a faux pas. I’m sure that there are many out there who agree with me (or so I would hope) and I wouldn’t change anything I said (apart from the grammar aspect). Also, just to clarify, I did not mean the post to personally attack every single RiotACT member (as some seem to think), rather to stand up to some of the things that were being said.

Well, I felt flamed by VvV.

So it seems if you are not a riotact regular, put more than one idea into a post, and have poor grammar, your opinions tend be regarded as “nutter” or even “flame”.

Whereas a regular seems to be able to write at will, and dismiss people with one liners, without that accusation.

Listen to what she’s saying, respond to the content.

I think johnboy’s action in calling it “Flame of the week” in the context of “nutter of the month” constitutes “flaming” and is a pretty poor use of the power of the press.

However, I’m sure you now realize the value of pitching your defense with a greater emphasis on conventional grammar.

that and by speaking up you have only prolonged the pain…

I intentionally typed ‘defense’, but I could be wrong (or American)!

Good on you VvV for sticking up for your mate. However, I’m sure you now realize the value of pitching your defense with a greater emphasis on conventional grammar. Hopefully doing so will get you more sympathy in the future, if (and I hope it doesn’t) the need ever arises.

You will be delivering it, Grundy!

*chuckle*

I was going to let you know as needed ….

Granny said :

The next person to pick on Mrs G is getting a big, fat knuckle sandwich!

Even me? 😀

The next person to pick on Mrs G is getting a big, fat knuckle sandwich!

Holden Caulfield said :

Holden Caulfield said :

It’s okay, mrs grundy is already on to that…

Oops, in response to post #8.

Yeah, I’ll get her digging more dirt on Elkie. Private I, Mrs G!

This whole “issue” is pathetically trivial and the whole facebook thing borders on stalking.

Obviously a slow news week. Time to run another stock standard “Hayfever is particularly bad this year” or “Where is the best Indian food in Canberra?” thread me thinks.

Holden Caulfield said :

It’s okay, mrs grundy is already on to that…

Oops, in response to post #8.

It’s okay, mrs grundy is already on to that…

Best if you all wait and see.

el said :

So…what’s happening later in the week re ‘nutter of the month’?

Maybe one of the ‘nutters’ sued JB? lol

Gotta say I agree with Flame of the Week.

I found the discussion about women on that thread particularly neanderthal.

Only bit I disagree with is the country music bit as I’ve never heard her sing. Maybe she could put a video up on You Tube and we could all have a look and listen.

So…what’s happening later in the week re ‘nutter of the month’?

HAHAHAHA!

I’ll have to get my wife to create her own username on RA.

Can’t have her getting this sort of attention under my name!

😀

Looks like my wife hit a sore spot for some of these ‘nutters’… 😉

Haha, good response BerraBoy68! Gave me a good laugh!

I dispute VW’s claim that she finds Ms Stuart to be beautiful both inside and out. Personally I find the sight of someone’s liver, spleen, lungs etc. to be quite disgusting. Don’t even get me started on the small intestine and pancreas. I might be wrong however and look forward to VW providing a photo of Ms Stuarts innards.

Elkie who??????

Aw, I always enjoyed reading “Nutter of the Month”…

Elkie is an incredibly talented country musician

Country Music? Arrrggghhhhh noooooo……