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Florey man gets stabby whilst in psycosis

By S4anta 3 April 2008 97

The ABC greets us with the news this morning that ACT’s newest soft serve on crime has dealt out an 18 month good behaviour bond to a Florey man, Mr Anthony Staines whom after gobbling mushrooms and imbibing in the standard speed binge stabbed a women in the adbomen.

Justice Penfold has suggested that the attack acted as a wake up call to Mr Staines, and the rest of the fatally criminally stupid that Canberra is the place to take a bunch of drugs, commit a crime, get pinched and get a soft sentence quicker than Todd Carney’s Ute in Bruce.

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tap 3:35 pm 22 Apr 08

Ant: Well it looks like Penfold was lied to from the beginning, according to PBO. So the answer is no. I am skeptical about that however, just because i don’t understand why the prosecution wouldn’t have challenged the account of the defense if they were lying in such a big way.

As far as checking about prior convictions, it does seem mighty strange that they wouldn’t come into account. I would have though at very least things like good behaviour bonds and the like would be taken into account…

imhotep: well thats handy cause guess what? I get no benefit from your posts. Well done on ignoring my other points and conentrating on making this personal again. I honestly don’t notice the way you dodge any points that may make you need to re think an opinion, it masterful.

ant 3:23 pm 22 Apr 08

In jury trials, any prior convictions/trials aren’t admissable until after the verdict, but it is admissable before sentence is pronounced. Does this operate in judge-only trials? ie was Penfold given the full story before the so-called sentence was given?

imhotep 2:20 pm 22 Apr 08

tap said :

imhotep: We’ve covered your complaint, sorry just not interested into going into again.

tap. I don’t post here for you benefit -I’m expressing my view, which is, after all the point of this site. I don’t care how you feel about it.

tap 1:25 pm 22 Apr 08

imhotep: We’ve covered your complaint, sorry just not interested into going into again. Read above. I have no idea about Penfolds past one way or another. I dispute that he walked away a ‘free man’ as he got a suspended sentence and good behaviour bond.

PBO: Well thats interesting, if the judge has been given false information, then that pretty much throws everything on its head.

PBO 1:05 pm 22 Apr 08

Hi Tap,

Aside from knowing both parties for about 16yrs each, the time leading up to the incident, Mr Staines had been drinking all day and rocking up to various peoples houses in a wasted state trying to get weed with no avail. My friend was the one that Mr Staines said that he got the drugs from. This was not the case as he did not have any weed to sell him, so Mr Staines went ahead and got drunk instead.

I could say that Mr Staines has only done speed 3 times and has never done mushrooms to my knowledge. But i can say that he has always had anger management issues, That is why he did not last too long as a security guard.

imhotep 12:46 pm 22 Apr 08

tap, I am fully aware that a person’s prior offenses, if any, are not given any weight in a judge’s decision.

I do not, however, believe that appointing an individual to a court automatically gives them the wisdom of Solomon nor the ability to pass judgment removed from any personal bias or motivations.

Penfold was a political appointment. Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I know she has never had anything to do with criminal courts prior to her appointment. Do you believe she is incapable of getting it wrong?

A man stabs a woman and walks away from her court a free man. These facts are not disputed. Why would this serve as, in Penfold’s words, a ‘wakeup call’?

tap 12:16 pm 22 Apr 08

Imhotep: – have a look at comment 11.

PBO – How do you know what you know? I understand that you know the people, but how do you know what you have heard is truth and what the court heard is fiction?

imhotep 11:44 am 22 Apr 08

Thanks for that PBO. I don’t think many people would be surprised if that was true. In NSW, 80% of crime is committed by repeat offenders ( -and I doubt if it is much different in the ACT.

I wonder if Penfold was aware of Staines’ history? Would it have made any difference anyway? She appears intent on proving her ‘progressive’ credentials more than the reflecting public concern.

Will Penfold’s non-action cause Staines to think twice the next time he has a violent impulse? I don’t think so.

PBO 11:09 am 22 Apr 08

I notice that no-one has mentioned that this person has tried to kill people before and someone has died in a fight with him.As for the Drug excuse, did you know that he was not on drugs at all that day, just a lot of alcohol. Drugs were just an excuse that he and his legal council came up with so he could get a lesser sentence. And before all you people try to tell me, “what would i know?”, I know both parties involved and I know Anthony Staines’ history. He should have been locked up, end of story.

tap 1:32 pm 17 Apr 08

Yeah yeah yeah Maelinar. You have nothing to say so you attack the left. gotcha.

Mælinar 1:30 pm 17 Apr 08

Until you pinko’s start bringing something other than your stupid lentils to the table, your going to get nothing substantial from me.

tap 1:21 pm 17 Apr 08

Oh well done Maelinar. Really. Lived right up to my expectations.

Mælinar 1:10 pm 17 Apr 08

However ill bite, what are these realistic solutions you are talking about? (in case you say more jail time we have already covered that, so your idea will have to be something else). – as you are just as capable of using the search function on this site as I am, do not consider me as preventing you from using it.

Consider this your fishing lesson. I’m with imhotep for following statements.

tap 1:09 pm 17 Apr 08

Ok one of our disagreements in thinking this situation is black and white. But I dont think that can be resolved. But as had already been mentioned in this post, there are a lot of unknowns about this situation.

The un rehabilitatable is where jail is warranted. Nut bar serial killers and the like, but as has also been discussed in this post, perhaps they should be in a mental institution instead of a prison.

It seems that people want this man to go to jail for vengence reasons, not for the common good or to help the victim. Im thinking that maybe this judge has seen past vengence and is doing what is most likely to benefit the community. Why do you think Penfold went for a leniant sentence?

imhotep 12:57 pm 17 Apr 08

It is always dangerous to find simple solutions to complex problems. MY point is that this situation IS black and white.

A woman stabbing an abusive husband. That is complex.

A man stabbing a woman in her home (in front of her daughter), that is not complex. If you don’t go to jail for that TAB, in what circumstance do you think jail is warranted?

Penfold is developing early form for (in my view) leniency -witness the slap on the wrist for rape in an earlier case. I think she is out of touch -or doesn’t care – with public expectations on this issue.


tap 12:25 pm 17 Apr 08

Yes look for altenatives. This being a forum i thought perhaps people could discuss what these alternatives may be… why is that wrong?

Ill take your ignoring of my point being that this issue is not as black and white as we may like it to be as a sign that you agree? And you ignoring my request for information means that you do not know? And you ignoring my reasons why locking people up doesn’t work as a sign you agree?

Leniant sentences Imhotep, thats my suggestion. Maybe there is a reason judges are going for them? Other suggestions have been forced re habilitation, paid work where the money goes to the victim as a form of recompense. Maybe all these are wrong, but we need to keep looking.

imhotep 12:07 pm 17 Apr 08

So…your alternative to locking people up (for violent crime) is to ‘look for an alternatives’ to locking people up. Right. That’s clear and decisive!

Let us know when you come up with something. Seeya!


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