5 August 2011

Forde eccy bust

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A 21-year-old Forde man was arrested and charged overnight by police for drug trafficking.

Criminal Investigations detectives executed a search warrant at the man’s house around 3.30pm yesterday (Thursday, August 4), and seized over 700 pills suspected to be MDMA and some cannabis. An amount of cash was also seized during the search warrant.

The potential street value for the seized drugs is estimated to be in excess of $20,000.

The man was arrested and taken to the ACT Watch House, where he was charged with traffic in cannabis, traffic in a controlled drug other than cannabis, and possession of property suspected of being proceeds of crime.

He will face the ACT Magistrates Court this morning (Friday, August 5), where bail will be opposed.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]

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“What does a change of perspective bring? “

It brings a strong sense of drugs representing a cash value. This view is firmly entrenched in our community. It is reinforced mainly by the constant emphasis in police reporting and crime commission publications.

If I’m a teenager this is the perception of drugs that I’m going to be exposed to through the media. A lot of teenagers go through the “I want to be in a Gang”. “I want a weapons”. “I want a get baked”. “I want a cash”. etc etc. How ever that may be expressed. I don’t think that’s anything new.

What is new, is the unrealistic business proposition, put forward by the community, that there is large amounts of cash in drugs. This is reinforced every day through the media, from the police. It is only one perspective but it carries a lot of weight in our consumer society. Enough weight to actually encourage people.

It would be good if another “measure” could be used. Something that doesn’t encourage the notion that drugs are only about a cash value. Everyone likes money.

I’m not really capable of processing large financial numbers. How many Libraries of Congress would it buy me?

So how does my world look if I draw my assumptions solely from police media sources. What would a business plan actually look like for my criminal empire, if I make my policy decisions based on supporting government documentation? How close is it to the Canberra experience? What does a change of perspective bring?

Illicit Drug Data Reports
http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/publications/iddr/2009_10.htm

“The Illicit Drug Data Report is produced by the Australian Crime Commission (ACC) and is recognised as one of the most valuable tools for law enforcement agencies, policy and decision makers, research bodies and other stakeholders in combating illicit drugs.

It provides a statistical overview of illicit drug arrests and seizures as well as profiling the current situation, national impact and the emerging trends and threats of illicit drugs in Australia.”

Further to my previous post, police base their seizure values on the Illicit Drug Data Report, published annually by the Australian Crime Commission. This publication comprises data collated nationally and is what Law Enforcement Agencies use to calculate the value of seizure.

fgzk said :

Its good you don’t know this s*** PBO. How much cash can you get?

If you think that the bag it comes in represents good value then i think that i know more than you.

The police value is an estimation only. It is there to give an idea of the value, not a precise breakdown.

Whatever the estimated or actual value, that’s a lot of drugs off the street (and potentially away from young impressionable people).

If Jim, Tooks and I, have had our hands in the bag then the stash is going to be worth considerably less on the street. If Cocopops is to be believed the net worth might be half that again.

In court the Judge is only interested in the quantity of drugs seized.

If we accept the argument that the price is only given to allow the public some way of comparing the weight of different drugs to a cash value. That this price has no relevance in a court. That the figure is made up by the police media team. Then we might have to accept that people that form an opinion about drugs through police sources actually have no real understanding of the issue.

How can you properly debate the drug issue when 90% of the argument is guess work, misinformation or out right political propaganda? (Disclaimer:Made up statistics)

I need a big bucket of popcorn. This is a rather entertaining discussion.

Danman said :

what_the said :

It’s usually the weed figures that are distorted as they measure it in pounds including the whole tree, roots dirt n all.

Well known misconception…

Also, why debate the street value, 700 pills is still 700 pillls off the street – and thats a good thing right ?

Who cares how much the dealer would have made, doesn’t take long doing seizures for the property office to realse that 700 pills off the street is a bloody good thing..After all, these things arent exactly made in labs with stringent quality control processes to protect the manufacturer and end user.

I disagree.

I’d rather have thugs dosed up on love pills than fighting drunk on alcohol.

Going rate these days is between $20-$50 depending on the quantity and quality of what you get, or so I’ve heard *shifty eyes*

PBO said :

Tooks said :

Mr_Clapp said :

Another over exaggerated figure to make it look like the police are doing a better job then they actually are.

And you base that on what? What do you pay for a pill? How do you know it’s over exaggerated?

+1 Tooks.

If you are paying 25 – 30$ per pill or less then it is most likely a dodgy, locally made speed bomb, k-pill or weak MDMA pill.

When ppl are paying around 28$ per pill when buying in lots then it can be safely said that the pills would be imported and of higher quality. I would not touch them these days as they are not a patch on what was going around in 2000 and never will be again.

Actually there are pills going around right now that are as good as the stuff you used to get. One particular pill was recently tested at 122mg MDMA.

Danman said :

what_the said :

It’s usually the weed figures that are distorted as they measure it in pounds including the whole tree, roots dirt n all.

Well known misconception…

Also, why debate the street value, 700 pills is still 700 pillls off the street – and thats a good thing right ?

Who cares how much the dealer would have made, doesn’t take long doing seizures for the property office to realse that 700 pills off the street is a bloody good thing..After all, these things arent exactly made in labs with stringent quality control processes to protect the manufacturer and end user.

Yeah I dont really understand why the emphasize it so much anyway, I’m sure it’s to convince people it’s having more of an effect than it really is by using ‘big numbers’.

what_the said :

It’s usually the weed figures that are distorted as they measure it in pounds including the whole tree, roots dirt n all.

Well known misconception…

Also, why debate the street value, 700 pills is still 700 pillls off the street – and thats a good thing right ?

Who cares how much the dealer would have made, doesn’t take long doing seizures for the property office to realse that 700 pills off the street is a bloody good thing..After all, these things arent exactly made in labs with stringent quality control processes to protect the manufacturer and end user.

Police are always going to give you street retail value, not wholesale amounts. This is actually fairly accurate for a change. It’s usually the weed figures that are distorted as they measure it in pounds including the whole tree, roots dirt n all.

Mr_Clapp said :

Another over exaggerated figure to make it look like the police are doing a better job then they actually are.

So actually pricing drugs would seem to be impossible. The police always seem to offer a street value that is actually just an invented figure for the press release. I cant see any actual purpose beyond providing propaganda. Beyond a mechanism or scale for a press release, why include an arbitrary cash figure. What actual purpose does it serve?

If you used the police figures, then drug dealing would seem to be a profitable business. Maybe there could be a disclaimer attached saying the figures included have no actual relation to the potential cash worth.

Why are the police pricing drugs in press releases?

fgzk said :

Tooks what are you insinuating. Not the often maligned baggy slut. Its usually drug users that draw the distinction. So I prefer to pay for drugs with other peoples money. Its a personal preference. It a lot cheaper that way. Saves all kinds of hassle. You should try it.

Take the cash out of drugs and you have a new playing field.

I just steal my drugs. Much easier and cheaper.

PBO said :

fgzk said :

Tooks said :

Mr_Clapp said :

The bag the pills come in also represents good value.

So sorry. Not sarcasm. Just a comment about the “bulk” bag. It can be highly prized, especial when gifted.

Its good you don’t know this s*** PBO. How much cash can you get?

fgzk said :

Tooks said :

Mr_Clapp said :

The bag the pills come in also represents good value.

U serious? I mean really? are you being sarcastic? I cannot tell anymore on this site.

Tooks what are you insinuating. Not the often maligned baggy slut. Its usually drug users that draw the distinction. So I prefer to pay for drugs with other peoples money. Its a personal preference. It a lot cheaper that way. Saves all kinds of hassle. You should try it.

Take the cash out of drugs and you have a new playing field.

bigfeet said :

fgzk said :

The bag the pills come in also represents good value.

After November 1st people will have to bring their own re-usable green bags when purchasing drugs.

No dealer is going to want to bring the heat down on themselves by supplying plastic bags once the ban comes into force.

green bags

boom boom

fgzk said :

The bag the pills come in also represents good value.

After November 1st people will have to bring their own re-usable green bags when purchasing drugs.

No dealer is going to want to bring the heat down on themselves by supplying plastic bags once the ban comes into force.

Captain RAAF2:33 pm 05 Aug 11

Forde is Canberra new crime capital, I think they have 40+ criminal offences per thousand bods.

Tooks said :

fgzk said :

The police may have managed to stop as many as 2000 gratuitous sexual acts, 4000 hours of strange rhythmical movements to music and endless hours of soppy talk. Or if the pills where crap, a lot of bitter disappointment. The figures start to stack up.

Is that how you pay for yours? Most just pay with cash.

LOL! +1

fgzk said :

The police may have managed to stop as many as 2000 gratuitous sexual acts, 4000 hours of strange rhythmical movements to music and endless hours of soppy talk. Or if the pills where crap, a lot of bitter disappointment. The figures start to stack up.

Is that how you pay for yours? Most just pay with cash.

The police may have managed to stop as many as 2000 gratuitous sexual acts, 4000 hours of strange rhythmical movements to music and endless hours of soppy talk. Or if the pills where crap, a lot of bitter disappointment. The figures start to stack up.

$30 a pill is about the going rate, or so I’m told.

I can’t see the problem with the police using a figure like this.

Unless we have some expert drug valuers on RA?

Tooks said :

Mr_Clapp said :

Another over exaggerated figure to make it look like the police are doing a better job then they actually are.

And you base that on what? What do you pay for a pill? How do you know it’s over exaggerated?

Nothing. You just have to “put out” occasionally. The bag the pills come in also represents good value.

Tooks said :

Mr_Clapp said :

Another over exaggerated figure to make it look like the police are doing a better job then they actually are.

And you base that on what? What do you pay for a pill? How do you know it’s over exaggerated?

+1 Tooks.

If you are paying 25 – 30$ per pill or less then it is most likely a dodgy, locally made speed bomb, k-pill or weak MDMA pill.

When ppl are paying around 28$ per pill when buying in lots then it can be safely said that the pills would be imported and of higher quality. I would not touch them these days as they are not a patch on what was going around in 2000 and never will be again.

“potential street value of 20K”….. maybe if every pill head in canberra wanted to buy at the same time and these were the only ones left….

I wonder if the police ever update there supply and demand list for such substances?

It’s traditional to charge the cops more for theirs, has been since the War on Drugs began.

Mr_Clapp said :

Another over exaggerated figure to make it look like the police are doing a better job then they actually are.

And you base that on what? What do you pay for a pill? How do you know it’s over exaggerated?

Jim Jones said :

700 pills with a “street value” in excess of $20,000 is over $28 a pill.

What “street” are they talking about?

What do you pay per pill? Depending on quality, people will pay $30+

Jim Jones said :

Skidd Marx said :

Jim Jones said :

700 pills with a “street value” in excess of $20,000 is over $28 a pill.

What “street” are they talking about?

You’re obviously paying less than that?

I’m not a fan myself, but the price does seem a bit ridiculous nevertheless.

This isn’t even taking into account the fact that a large amount of drugs like this aren’t sold individually, they’d more likely be sold in bulk lots to people down the chain who would them sell them off (and would get a wholesale discount and then jack up the individual price in order to turn a profit).

Perhaps someone could swing past Costco and see what they’re charging?

You probably couldn’t get bags of under 1000 pills at Costco…

Mr_Clapp, what’s exaggerated?

Skidd Marx said :

Jim Jones said :

700 pills with a “street value” in excess of $20,000 is over $28 a pill.

What “street” are they talking about?

You’re obviously paying less than that?

I’m not a fan myself, but the price does seem a bit ridiculous nevertheless.

This isn’t even taking into account the fact that a large amount of drugs like this aren’t sold individually, they’d more likely be sold in bulk lots to people down the chain who would them sell them off (and would get a wholesale discount and then jack up the individual price in order to turn a profit).

Perhaps someone could swing past Costco and see what they’re charging?

Jim Jones said :

700 pills with a “street value” in excess of $20,000 is over $28 a pill.

What “street” are they talking about?

You’re obviously paying less than that?

Another over exaggerated figure to make it look like the police are doing a better job then they actually are.

700 pills with a “street value” in excess of $20,000 is over $28 a pill.

What “street” are they talking about?

Fashion Queen10:24 am 05 Aug 11

Good job boys in blue!

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