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Frosted up Conder driver couldn’t see the back of a bus

By johnboy 4 July 2012 59

ACT Policing is again reminding motorists of the dangers of failing to properly clear frost and ice from their windows following a collision on Tom Roberts Avenue in Conder early this morning (Wednesday, July 4).

Around 7.50am today, police attended a collision in which a driver, whose view was obscured by frost on her windscreen, collided with the back of an ACTION bus.

The driver of the vehicle suffered minor injuries.

The 20-year-old driver from Conder will be issued with a Traffic Infringement Notice for ‘driving a vehicle without clear view’.

Collision Investigation & Reconstruction Team Detective Sergeant Jason Kennedy said it was the responsibility of motorists to ensure all their windows are free of frost as to not impede their vision when driving.

“Anyone leaving their vehicles out in sub-zero temperatures experienced in Canberra recently must take the time to defrost their windows and mirrors before heading off on their journey,” Detective Sergeant Kennedy said.

“The incident highlights how driving without a clear view is highly dangerous to yourself and to others, and may result in a collision that could cost those involved significant cost, inconvenience and injury.”

[Courtesy ACT Policing]

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Postalgeek 2:51 pm 06 Jul 12

shirty_bear said :

Seems likely … ethanol reportedly freezes at -114C … just a little lower than water. Nice tip, but tepid water ain’t rocket surgery.

Is that where they tie a multi-staged missile to your appendix? Removed and cauterized in one go. Youch, but brilliant.

anyman 2:42 pm 06 Jul 12

I wish the mid 90’s blue magna that pulled out in front of me from Moonlight ave onto Flemington road with all windows fully frosted, and just using the Force, had seen this news story or read RA.
Lucky one of us spends those 2 minutes defrosting windows.

shirty_bear 2:06 pm 06 Jul 12

Jivrashia said :

Namloot said :

This product has a higher freezing point than water
Try It !

No thanks. I don’t want my windscreen freezing up in, say, 10 degrees weather.

Or did you mean LOWER freezing point than water?

Seems likely … ethanol reportedly freezes at -114C … just a little lower than water. Nice tip, but tepid water ain’t rocket surgery.

PrinceOfAles 11:03 pm 05 Jul 12

Think of a warm shower. Not a hot shower. Fill a 2L coke/juice/milk bottle with warm water. Pour on windscreen. Your windows wont shatter. Your ice will melt. You will be able to see the back of a bus. Everyone is happy.

EvanJames 10:29 pm 05 Jul 12

I just use half a CD jewel case. Casette cases were better, thicker and shorter, but now it’s CD cases. The US/Canadian scrapers are better but I always forget to bring one home. The brushes are for the snow, which is like moon dust, light and dry. We don’t get that here, anywhere. You have to get that off before tackling any ice that might be there. Often there isn’t any, you just brush off the 8 – 12 inches of dry dusty snow.

I park in the spot where the first rays of dawn hit, works a treat. Only have to scrape when taking the first flight out in the morning.

Pork Hunt 10:13 pm 05 Jul 12

wildturkeycanoe said :

Pork Hunt said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

The blanket over the windscreen and warm water both have the same problem for me. After a few blocks the windscreen freezes up again and starts to get foggy. The only way is to warm the car up for 5 minutes with the fan on full boar. The side mirrors also fog up after being scraped if the conditions are right [foggy cold air]. Wish I was allowed to build a carport in my front yard but it will encroach into ACTPLA’s rules and regulations.

How does running a cold engine with the fan on full speed warm anything up?
You need hot water from the engine block running through your heater core (a miniature radiator) to get heat. Until the engine heats the water up, the heater core with a fan on acts like your radiator trying to cool the water down…

Um..der! That’s why it takes 5 minutes do defrost, waiting for the engine to actually get warm. As for the heater core acting like a radiator, yes, but not until the thermostat opens in the engine which won’t be until around 100 degrees celsius. Until that time, the water doesn’t circulate through the heater.

Water will run through your heater core all day, it is not subject to the thermostat being open or closed. The thermostat controls the flow of water through the radiator only. Most petrol engines run at 82 deg and my diesel at 90 deg.

The Antichrist 9:06 pm 05 Jul 12

Disinformation said :

I still can’t believe that people in Canberra actually try to use water to defrost their windscreens.

I can’t beleive that you can’t believe it !

It takes me all of 60 seconds to walk around the car with a 3-litre bottle of slightly warm water, run all the ice off every glass surface – and run the wipers once or twice. While the car is warming up – all of a couple of minutes worth – you may need a second splash on the mirrors. Not once has the ice magically re-formed……

Anybody who still scrapes ice off with a credit card needs some serious help.

Rawhide Kid Part3 6:00 pm 05 Jul 12

Dilandach said :

harvyk1 said :

A drink bottle full of hot water will do the job quite nicely, just make sure you turn on the windscreen wipers soon afterwards otherwise on the really cold mornings (of which this morning was not) the water will freeze again. I also turn the heater on and direct it towards the windows.

Hot water on a frozen windscreen? Tell me you’re joking.

O’brian Glass has him as a regular on their books.

Disinformation 4:29 pm 05 Jul 12

I still can’t believe that people in Canberra actually try to use water to defrost their windscreens.

Apply Rain-x for a start. Dew tends to roll off for a start. Ice has less grip. When “NeverWet” finally makes it to production, the concept of iced up windscreens might be gone forever.
Get yourself a decent scraper for those times you do have to park outside overnight in frosty weather. It almost makes it fun, believe it or not.
Canadian window scrapers have a handle about 70 cm long with a brush along one side. I acquired one from a Canadian girl who got jack of being in Canberra and left for warmer climates. I suggested that she’d not need her scraper and she agreed willingly.
I just cruised ebay and similar items can be posted to your house for $6.32

VYBerlinaV8_is_back 3:03 pm 05 Jul 12

Genie said :

One jug of water usually defrosts my car… Sometimes a bit of salt in the water helps.l. Very rarely will it freeze back over..

I also have an awesome plastic ice scraper that I got for free for ACTEWagl many years ago.. There was a post on here about sending an email off to score one… Love it. All 4 sides have a different “scraper” including a rubber side which is regularly used to remove dew from my mirrors…..

I have a nice warm garage with internal access from my home. When I want to drive one of my cars I just walk in, hit the garage door remote, start the car and go.

Much better than stuffing around with water and scrapers!

pierce 3:00 pm 05 Jul 12

According to the anti-bike crowd, all you need is a license plate number to report these road menaces to the police. Yet this doesn’t seem to be happening.

harvyk1 2:46 pm 05 Jul 12

Mr Gillespie said :

Salt the water?

and watch your car fall apart within a year or two… Salt is about the last thing I’d want near my car…

Mr Gillespie 2:29 pm 05 Jul 12

Salt the water?

    johnboy 2:31 pm 05 Jul 12

    Salty water has a significantly lower freezing point. It is however much more corrosive.

bitzermaloney 1:53 pm 05 Jul 12

cranky said :

On a side note, the radio was reporting that this accident closed both ends of Tom Roberts Avenue(?)

It would seem inevitable that this silly, silly lady has inconvenienced a large number of people.

Wouldn’t it be lovely if those affected could claim compo from the lady’s insurer.

Sure… if you were in the USofA!

If everyone claimed compo everytime they were inconvienced by someone else’s stupidity we wouuldn’t have to worry about the carbon tax jacking up the cost of living, insurance premiums would do that job nicely.

bitzermaloney 1:49 pm 05 Jul 12

Obviously she was trying to catch a bus.

harvyk1 1:45 pm 05 Jul 12

Dilandach said :

harvyk1 said :

A drink bottle full of hot water will do the job quite nicely, just make sure you turn on the windscreen wipers soon afterwards otherwise on the really cold mornings (of which this morning was not) the water will freeze again. I also turn the heater on and direct it towards the windows.

Hot water on a frozen windscreen? Tell me you’re joking.

Nope, not joking, however the water is hot, not boiling, and the water when passed through a relatively small nozzle of the bottle so comes out at a relatively high temp, but cools very quickly in the air, so it’s not too much warmer than the glass by the time it get there, but it gets there with a bit of pressure to push the ice away as well. I also make sure I’m even in how I place the water onto the window so it heats up evenly.

I am well aware of thermal shock and what it can do (although not from personal experience), which is why I am careful with the water temp I use, and the distance the water is away from the glass when I spray it onto the glass.

Jivrashia 1:28 pm 05 Jul 12

Namloot said :

This product has a higher freezing point than water
Try It !

No thanks. I don’t want my windscreen freezing up in, say, 10 degrees weather.

Or did you mean LOWER freezing point than water?

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