Gambling advertising rolls

johnboy 13 May 2009 42

There’s little in this world a Government likes as much as running an ad campaign.

Lunches are bought for them. Easy decisions are made. Egos are stroked as the media barfs out the chosen messages on command.

Importantly friendships are made which are very handy when election time rolls around.

Public good? I’m sorry… what’s that?

Katy Gallagher yesterday announced that she was getting tough with problem gambling and running some TV ads for the last four saddos still watching commercial TV.

If your grasp of basic maths and probability is so poor that you play poker machines then there’s a website from which you can get a pamphlet.

Interestingly the pamphlets have names like “Take control”, “How to set your own limits”, and “Friends and family can help”.

Nothing so simple as “Stop wasting your money on games of chance you can never win”.

Would that be anything to do with the Labor party in the ACT being beholden to the poker machines revenue of their Labor Clubs?

Brendan Smyth is shouting about the double standards.


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Clown Killer Clown Killer 4:39 pm 14 May 09

We all travel our own roads tra. I guess that we’ll have to agree to what we believe is common ground and disagree elsewhere.

tra tra 4:28 pm 14 May 09

CK – truly apologise for ignorance. hope you take apology. however as someone too with experience, it didn’t really resound with compassion – your original post anyway. the “stupidity of gambling” phrase is what the issue is here, rather than it being a dumb person, which was what you initially said. the person i know is not dumb, knew and still knows the odds but i would never say to them they are dumb or they did it because they were dumb, it’s got nothing to do with lack of honesty, but separating the behaviour from the person. otherwise it’s not healthy and the person can never be truly healed. and that’s from experience and the person doesn’t do it anymore, has no major financial problems anymore….but still struggles with it…and is not dumb..

Clown Killer Clown Killer 3:31 pm 14 May 09

I stand by my views. In fact I’ll take it a step further and say that I have no sympathy for people who are dumb enough to get themselves addicted to anything, be it gambling, tobbaco, alcohol or other drugs.

To suggest that I have no close or personal experience and understanding of addiction simply highlights your ignorance. My position is formed because experience not in the absence of it. It is also ridiculous to suggest that because I am honest enough to recognise the stupidity of gambling that equates to an absence of compassion.

adb, if you want my views on this topic to colour the way you view anything else I post here on RA then be my guest buddy – what other people think of me is none of my business.

tra tra 3:08 pm 14 May 09

if you have had anyone in your life with problem behaviours, or ever will in the future, i sure as hell hope you censor(ed) yourself…otherwise it’s a hindrance…and do you honestly think you’re always going to be immune from harmful behaviours – that’s naive too – you’re probably unlikely to and, let’s hope so….but addicts can testify that they thought what happened to them wasn’t going to happen to them…and you won’t be stupid if you do…

tra tra 3:03 pm 14 May 09

http://tinyurl.com/pqc5ok

is a good place to start. the research says it’s not about logic. addicts know the odds and do it anyway……

adb adb 2:22 pm 14 May 09

From what I have read there looks to be some very uninformed people dare I say stupid people in this thread. As in all addiction being stupid has no baring on being addicted. some very clever people smoke don’t they? addiction is not about reasoning, it’s about doing something you know is bad but being compelled to do it anyways (possibility like responding to this thread when you don’t have a clue, and are not adding to the information value of this thread *looks at Clown Killer amongst others*)

generally this happens when the effected person is low and could be seen as a form of depression, feeling so low that anything that could make themselves feel better will be tried ie drinking, gambling, drugs etc.

the bottom line is pokies make money from addiction and low social economic groups (yes they shouldn’t but they do)
so why are the pokies still around??? the government bans drugs and other things that cause anti social behaviour.. why are pokies exempt?
how are they any different to drugs?

and even if we take your point Clown Killer and say it’s true… is it right to take advantage of stupid people?

and you also know by calling a group stupid EVERY SINGLE post of yours in the future is fair game… you can’t tell me you don’t do stupid things for a buzz or pickup (smoke, skateboard, play World of Warcraft) …

so lets try and keep the threads here unflamed and try and research a subject before commenting on it.

Clown Killer Clown Killer 9:15 am 14 May 09

Australia must have a lot of dumb people then…<i?

You’ve hit the nail on the head there. Sheer weight of numbers does not make it less dumb. Stupidity is not a democracy.

It’s a very poor attitude to take in my opinion to say people that play the pokies or gamble are stupid. Everyone has different preferences …

If you choose you can dress up stupidity in any politically correct language that you choose. You can call it personal choice, lifestyle, preference whatever I don’t really care at the end of the day it’s still dumb.

I don’t think people are dumb for playing the pokies-perhaps not so clever if they expect that they will win, but its their life and they can choose to do what they want to do.

I don’t get this. People aren’t dumb for playing pokies but they are a little bit dumb if the expect to win? Why wouldn’t you just stand on Commonwealth Ave bridge and drop $2 coins into the lake? It fits your premise exactly.

mcs mcs 11:06 pm 13 May 09

you are completely right monomania- I didn’t really make myself clear in that I wasn’t speaking in reference to problem gamblers but just people in general- as you say for problem gamblers its a whole different situation.

monomania monomania 8:47 pm 13 May 09

mcs said :

I don’t think people are dumb for playing the pokies-perhaps not so clever if they expect that they will win, but its their life and they can choose to do what they want to do.

Ability to choose? Many problem gamblers have developed a gambling addiction. The choice to not gamble is no longer the same easy choice it is for the rest of us. Pokies are designed to addict susceptible people with the frequency and size of payouts and the light and sound chosen and tested to do this.

Other problem gamblers are suffering from other mental disorders. For instance people suffering mania are not able to make sensible choices and like the addicted gamblers can gamble away life savings or the money needed to support their families.

mcs mcs 7:57 pm 13 May 09

“We need better education. Only dumb people gamble.”

Australia must have a lot of dumb people then, seeing as a reasonably large part of the population likes a flutter on Melbourne cup day. Calling people stupid or dumb because they play the pokies or have a bet on the giddy ups or the dogs is ridiculous.

Those that go there expecting a win or spending money they can’t afford are the ones for whom the problems develop, and are the ones that need help. (I.e. I don’t mind putting a few bucks in a machine if I’m at the club, or having a bet or two on the dogs, but I don’t expect to get any money back and only spend what I can afford to lose)

Its a very poor attitude to take in my opinion to say people that play the pokies or gamble are stupid . Everyone has different preferences, everybody has different levels of personal control, everyone has their own choice and its not up to anyone else to say its a stupid or dumb thing to do.

I don’t think people are dumb for playing the pokies-perhaps not so clever if they expect that they will win, but its their life and they can choose to do what they want to do.

Clown Killer Clown Killer 6:02 pm 13 May 09

And you wouldn’t advocate a different policy in your club because it would cut back on the discount and after all it’s only at the expense of dumb losers. Your conscience is clear but so is empty space.

I have no view for or against pokies – I simply believe that you are stupid if you use them (regardless of your level of formal education, job, background etc). What stupid people do with their own time and money is none of my business. That’s why I wouldn’t bother lobbying the clubs that I am a member of that do have pokies and advocating they shut down them down.

shutterbug shutterbug 6:01 pm 13 May 09

“Friends and family can help”

Indeed. You know where all their valuables are so you can rip them off next time you get into debt.

deezagood deezagood 5:52 pm 13 May 09

I agree monomania; like most addicts, there is no way that most gamblers would ever start gambling if they could foresee the consequences. But I also think that the dangers of addiction are very well-known, and so at some point, people make the informed decision to start gambling/drinking etc… This makes them fully responsible for that initial decision – which some might say is a fairly stupid one.

monomania monomania 5:43 pm 13 May 09

Clown Killer said :

I disagree, people get addicted to pokies because they are stupid, not because the pokies are addictive – pokies are no different to any other vice that dumb people embrace (drugs being an outstanding example).

You seem to be suggesting that pokies somehow lure people to them and force them to feed in the coins. That’s just bollocks.

I believe if a person who is now a problem gambler could go back and never put a coin into a pokie they would. They don’t come with warning signs. Among other places they are rampant in social clubs, organisations formed for the benefit of ALL their members.

Clown Killer said :

And as far as I’m concerned, I pay whatever the members price is for food and drinks at the clubs I attend – if that discount comes on the back of morons playing pokies then so be it, my conscience is clear regardless.

And you wouldn’t advocate a different policy in your club because it would cut back on the discount and after all it’s only at the expense of dumb losers. Your conscience is clear but so is empty space.

deezagood deezagood 5:30 pm 13 May 09

Bloody italics.

deezagood deezagood 5:29 pm 13 May 09

Clown Killer said :

I disagree, people get addicted to pokies because they are stupid, not because the pokies are addictive – pokies are no different to any other vice that dumb people embrace (drugs being an outstanding example).quote]

People with addictive personalities/compulsive disorders get addicted to all kinds of stuff (alcohol, drugs, gambling, exercise, sex, eating, cleaning, working, other people etc…). Intellect is largely irrelevant, as all kinds of people have addictive personalities. So – the pokies are really only addictive to those people with a propensity towards addiction in the first place.

That said, if you know you have an addictive personality or even a family history of addiction, then it is pretty bloody stupid to allow yourself to get into a situation where you get addicted to anything.

Clown Killer Clown Killer 4:45 pm 13 May 09

I disagree, people get addicted to pokies because they are stupid, not because the pokies are addictive – pokies are no different to any other vice that dumb people embrace (drugs being an outstanding example).

You seem to be suggesting that pokies somehow lure people to them and force them to feed in the coins. That’s just bollocks.

And as far as I’m concerned, I pay whatever the members price is for food and drinks at the clubs I attend – if that discount comes on the back of morons playing pokies then so be it, my conscience is clear regardless.

monomania monomania 3:35 pm 13 May 09

Clown Killer said :

tra. The truth often hurts. but I see merit in your point so I’ll rephrase my point. Gambling on pokies is proof that you are stupid. If you don’t gamble on pokies you may still be stupid, its just a bit harder for others to tell.

Thumper said :

I actually don’t really care. If people are dumb enough to subsidise my cheap beer and meals, then so be it.
I don’t play the stupid things..

As tra says its not a matter of intelligence if you become a gambling addict. And even if it was, so what. The pokies are machines designed to addict. They are hard to avoid. Governments don’t seem to have the political will to do much about the problems they cause, booklets not withstanding.

People should have enough pride to pay their own way, not boast about the cheap meals and entertainment they get on the backs of problem gamblers and their families. Another demonstration of the meaning of Australian “mateship”.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 3:17 pm 13 May 09

tra said :

johnboy said :

meh, it’s not like they can read.

maybe you can’t either. otherwise you’d read the wealth of information out there about stupidity not being a major reason for gambling or any other addiction.

link?

Mr Evil Mr Evil 3:09 pm 13 May 09

deezagood said :

Thumper said :

Here’s a novel idea, ban the pokies?

Nice in theory Thumper, but once hooked, the gamblers will simply take their addictions elsewhere (horses, dogs, casino, interstate etc…).

……like, betting on which Rugby League player will be the next to be outed in some sex/drug/alcohol/all-of-the-above scandal?

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