27 April 2007

Game on - Greens launch Senate campaign

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The Greens are kicking off their concerted effort to win seats in the Senate and have sent in the following for those with an interest:



Lead Senate candidate Kerrie Tucker will introduce our fantastic Greens team of ACT candidates
Margret RoadKnight & Jeannie Lewis will launch our campaign with an inspiring concert

Plus surprise events
Celebrate the powerful vocals, wit and wisdom, flair and soul of two of Australia’s greatest performers. Margret RoadKnight and Jeannie Lewis first collaborated 40 years ago, and their paths have continued to cross as they’ve explored political songs, gospel, world music, cabaret and other styles.
Tilley’s plays host to the perfect launch of our campaign to see Kerrie Tucker elected as Greens Senator for the ACT, and immediately change the balance of power in the Senate.
Greens members $25, Others $35

Available from ACT Greens 8-10 Hobart Pl, Civic T: 6247 6305, and at the door, Tilley’s Cafe Lyneham
Authorised by Roland Manderson for the ACT Greens 8-10 Hobart Place, Canberra City 2601

If they can fill Tilleys at $35 a head it starts to look like real money.

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Moving right along, I am amazed how anyone can feel threatened by a fund raising event held at Tilley’s. How bizarre!

Awesome night of mucsic, cheap too. Ah!!!!!!! the senate racing season is upon us again. Let the games begin!

Sorry johnboy, you just really angered me. I appologise. I should say facts rather than angry words that do not progress my arguments.

With regards to your comment Maeliner. By your logic, Labour doen’t need to come up with anything. But if these parties don’t come up with anything, then why should we vote for them?

We vote for parties whose policies and ideas are in line with our own. Labour proposes environmental and education policies to show what they would do and to show a better way (in their opinion) to do things. So should the Greens. They should leave the radical protests and radical policies for Greenpeace and others who are on the front lines. To the Greens, I say:
When in Parliament, use the office voters have given you to shape government policy and the government’s agenda. But first, develop some policies that give us faith in your ability to represent us in Parliament and your ability to work with (or against the government) for your policies.

the Greens should be working on ways to make solar technology and personal water catchments (ie water tanks) a reality

Its not the job of an out of office government party to come up with those things. Its the responsibility of the in office government party.

Or your drunken late night rant was ignored as the drivel it was.

Take your pick and enjoy.

Looks like I had the last word!

“5 star toilet” meaning 5 star water rating on the toilet. Tried to get a six star rated systern but it seems Australians really like to make sure nothing comes back:)

“Because if the carbon cost isn’t priced in to the economy measures it can be a false economy.” -JB

I once had to shovel cow manure on a farm. 200 head of cattle couldn’t have done more B.S. than you JB!

Besides, you missed my whole point. I’m saying instead of proposing short term, grandiose plans that will do nothing very little to stem the massive increase in Greenhouse emisions over the next 50 years… the Greens should be working on ways to make solar technology and personal water catchments (ie water tanks) a reality.

Furthermore, making efforts to make out own homes more environmentally friendly can in no way do more harm.

Sorry JB, but you are one ignorant S.O.B! And yet, it is understandable. After all, someone in you financial situation will be hit hard by global warming and water shortages. You won’t be able to afford a bag of Bells ice much less a fan or air conditioner. A pity you fool!

If nothing else, I’m very interested in the concept of a ‘5 star toilet’.

Because if the carbon cost isn’t priced in to the economy measures it can be a false economy.

How can making big efforts in your own home do more harm than good?

Cut the crap terry,

Until the pricing makes all those thing economically advantageous you’re just a smug wanker.

Worse still, until the pricing regime is self evident your well meaning efforts will often do more harm than good.

The cat that is Ralph has claws. Pity about the lack of grey matter! I don’t think he knows the meaning of market-based policies!

That was my point, I AM an elitist but i don’t vote for the Greens. I know how to invest money to cut the effect that I have on the environment. And when you install a water tank, solar cells, solar hot-water and every water efficient tap, toilet and bidet possible in your home, then you can bash elitists. How water efficient are you. Do you have 6 star (4.5l/h) taps, of a 5 star toilet? Or Solar Hot Water plus Photo-voltaic cells that feed excess power into the grid? Well… do you?

Also, I did not speak of regulations. Only subsidies and government investment in cleaner technologies. Clean coal and LPG subsidies that the Federal Government are spending on at present are half asses efforts. And yet the Greens are the ones pushing to regulate industry and exports out of existence instead of providing practical, long term plans. Have they once spoke of making out car industry a world leader in eco-friendly transport? Have they once spoke of ways to make homes produce some of their own power? NO. I don’t like the views of Labour or the Libs on climate changes and what needs to be done to stem the change. But unless the Greens offer real alternatives, they are the only choices!

You missed the point Terry as I was talking about market-based policies. Now you’re talking about regulation and subsidies. Sounds like something out of the Labor handbook. Obviously you are not an economist. Having a fat bank account, dining at Manuka restaurants and harping on about the environment makes you an elite.

As for you caf, an elite would see these scungy people as being part of our ‘diverse culture’. To me they are lazy and a drain on our society.

I might go, but I wonder if they will let me in when I tell them I have not jumped on the “greenhouse bandwagon”.

It amuses me that Ralph can wax lyrical about “Elites” in a way that implies that isn’t one himself, when he also makes comments like this one:

I loathe dickson woolies. Scungy buskers and beggars loitering around the entrance, then inside you have to jostle with the freaks you see riding bikes around town, yuppie hippies etc.

Elite? Moi?

Ralph, what do you mean the elite? I drive a nice car, have a fat bank account and spend up at overprices restaurants in Manuka. I don’t vote Greens. I prefer to actually make a difference by making my home as environmentally friendly as possible, not supporting a bunch of ineffective radicals.

And there can be no denying that the Greens are a slightly radical group. Rather than call for practical measures to curb greenhouse emissions, they call for impractical measures such as stopping all coal and uranium exports. To be a real political party, the Greens have to think smart and think long term. They need to do what the other parties could but are not doing such as:
– Developing subsidies and ways to fund development of environmentally friendly transport (in the US, you can buy an electric sports car with a range of 500km on a single charge!), in Australia all we have is the Prius.
-Develop ways to subsidise the cost of installing water tanks and photo-voltaic cells (solar panels)an all new Australian homes and a fair percentage of established homes.
– Develop policies to protect jobs and the economy as we hopefully move away from coal and uranium as major sources of income over the next 50 years.

If they can come up with solutions to these, I will vote for them. Until then… well you saw what happened to the democrats.

Nah, uncap domestic electricity prices and there’s no need for shortages.

some big power bills to encourage efficiency though.

Best that the market decide what the coal industry does. Theoretically it can be business as usual for coal if they can buy carbon offsets on the cheap elsewhere.

It amuses me that we can largely lay the blame at our supposed coal powered pollution problem squarely at the foot of the environment movement. It was they who were screeching about the dangers of nuclear after the three mile island accident. All we were left with at the time was to expand our coal fired power industry. They were happy with that.

Their latest round of hysteria over supposed human induced global warming has seen state governments too frightened to expand our current coal fired power network. Efficiency gains can only go so far, but when we start getting power outages we can again point the finger at them.

Yes it is, but it defeats the purpose when they also have it married with subsidies for solar panels etc, banning nuclear and shutting down the coal industry.

True, lack of faith in the market there. If the coal industry can contrive to emit no pollution then what’s the problem?

And whats with the hideous Corel-Paint-like graphics of the two women? They reek of junior graphic designer.

And I can’t take anyone seriously who removes a letter from their name (Margret?)

Then to top it off, rather than hyphenate their surname, they just join the two names together, but keep a CAP on the second surname.

It’s just all wrong.

Anyway Ralph, isn’t the Green’s carbon tax policy the only sane game in town for anyone who thinks greenhouse effect is serious?

Yes it is, but it defeats the purpose when they also have it married with subsidies for solar panels etc, banning nuclear and shutting down the coal industry.

True seepi, but I think that climate change becoming a mainstream issue has reduced the green vote.

Because the two major parties have started to run with the issue, the ‘majority’ of voters will trust the majors on the issue. In my opinion, the general public don’t trust the greens to make sensible policies that balance the needs of the individual and overall economy with environmental issues.

I agree that the democrats are gone, but I thought the green vote was increasing. Climate Change is a pretty mainstream topic these days.

well no-ones forcing you to go lads.

Anyway Ralph, isn’t the Green’s carbon tax policy the only sane game in town for anyone who thinks greenhouse effect is serious?

tilleys ?

enough said.

Looks like a dykes-fest to me.

barking toad12:25 pm 27 Apr 07

Sadly, I won’t be able to make it.

I’ll be splitting logs for the fire so
I can generate CO2 to promote more tree
growth to produce more firewood.

The circle of life.

I love a slogan I saw just this year, ‘There are no jobs on a dead planet!’ The Greens may not appeal to the unwashed, today-tonight-fed masses – but that’s hardly an argument against their policies. A bit less spin would be good Ralph!

They, along with the Democrats, are a spent political force in this country. Sure, they’ll continue to get a few votes from the elites but their day has been and gone.

Revealed preference shows that people are willing to talk the talk on the environment but at the end of the day realise that greens are luddites, socialist, and anti-jobs.

Having said that, I do hope this event is vegan and carbon neutral.

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