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GDE officially open

By johnboy - 7 October 2011 37

photo by MightyJoe

Simon Corbell has announced the official opening of the Gungahlin Drive Extension after many false dawns.

“The nine kilometre, four-lane GDE will significantly reduce north-south traffic congestion during peak periods. It will play a crucial role in reducing journey times for trips to and from Gungahlin. It will also help to relieve congestion on other arterial roads.

“The completed project now provides a direct connection from north to south Canberra and includes dedicated on-road cycle lanes for the full length.”

Mr Corbell said that stage two of the project had been delivered ahead of schedule and on budget.

One wonders how long they’ll have to keep saying that last bit before anyone believes it in the context of the whole project.

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Bobert 6:55 pm 17 Oct 11

Felix the Cat said :

Bobert said :

It should be 100km/h. If you can’t handle 100km/h over those bridges, then you shouldn’t have a license. And they should set up speed cameras which are tuned at 110km/h, so that people don’t run people off the road.

And I just saw someone write something about cycling on the GDE. If you cycle on a motorway/freeway, you’re a complete idiot. They are for fast moving traffic, not pushbikes

There is a dedicated bike lane on GDE that is ~1.5m wide. If you can’t drive your motor vehicle in the ~3m lane without hitting a cyclist you are the complete idiot and shouldn’t have a license.

Fair point – Although I’m not arguing that cyclists aren’t staying in their lanes, and for the record, I’ve always stayed within my lane when driving – im saying you’d have to be pretty foolish to want to ride on a motorway like that – but each to their own I guess.

One thing though, I note that some freeways in Melb and Sydney allow for cyclists and also have a 100km/h limit – I haven’t heard of many cyclist/motorist accidents…

Felix the Cat 8:34 am 17 Oct 11

Bobert said :

It should be 100km/h. If you can’t handle 100km/h over those bridges, then you shouldn’t have a license. And they should set up speed cameras which are tuned at 110km/h, so that people don’t run people off the road.

And I just saw someone write something about cycling on the GDE. If you cycle on a motorway/freeway, you’re a complete idiot. They are for fast moving traffic, not pushbikes

There is a dedicated bike lane on GDE that is ~1.5m wide. If you can’t drive your motor vehicle in the ~3m lane without hitting a cyclist you are the complete idiot and shouldn’t have a license.

Bobert 8:19 pm 16 Oct 11

It should be 100km/h. If you can’t handle 100km/h over those bridges, then you shouldn’t have a license. And they should set up speed cameras which are tuned at 110km/h, so that people don’t run people off the road.

And I just saw someone write something about cycling on the GDE. If you cycle on a motorway/freeway, you’re a complete idiot. They are for fast moving traffic, not pushbikes

buzz819 11:36 am 10 Oct 11

Sgt.Bungers said :

screaming banshee said :

Sgt.Bungers said :

but the Monaro Highway has bike lanes and is 100 km/h… it also has at least one at grade intersection during the 100 km/h zone

I’m not overly familiar with the road, which intersection is that?

http://g.co/maps/34xhg

🙂

Yeah I was thinking that you were meaning that one, but a driveway to a property is not an intersection.

pete09 11:03 am 10 Oct 11

Sgt.Bungers said :

yellowsnow said :

Sgt.Bungers said :

If the aging Tuggeranong Parkway and Westbound side of Canberra Ave is still safe for 100 km/h, then the GDE could be safe for 120 km/h by comparison.

Or vice versa, if the GDE is really only safe for a maximum speed of 80 km/h, shouldn’t motorists be prohibited from travelling faster than 60 km/h on the old, dodgy sections of the Parkway?

The 80 km/h limit is a joke and is not going to be adhered to… even those doing their best to adhere to the limit will slip over it occasionally… as the road design will result in motorists not realising they’re going too fast without looking at their speedo.

Not sure what Sgt Bungers means by Westbound side of Canberra Ave,

http://actroads.org/archives/872

🙂

But that mostly affects NSW drivers coming in from Queanbeyan 😉

Jethro 9:46 am 10 Oct 11

shadow boxer said :

Jethro said :

So I took a drive down the newly opened road today and am man enough to admit when I’m wrong.
Once you get south of Mitchell, the 80 speed limit is completely ridiculous.

Nonetheless, anyone who complains when they get a speeding ticket is still an idiot. You can disagree with a speed limit whilst managing to stick to it.

and by a massive coincidence that is exactly the place the point to point cameras are going, Barton hwy to Belconnen way.

The black spot or not about revenue raising arguments can be completely ignored once this is in palce.

It pains me to say this, but you are right.

Building a new road that is clearly designed for a certain speed, but making the speed limit artificially low and installing permanent speed cameras is a stupid decision. It makes it all the harder for those of us in favour of speed cameras, etc to argue that they are legitimate.

Sgt.Bungers 7:45 pm 09 Oct 11

yellowsnow said :

Sgt.Bungers said :

If the aging Tuggeranong Parkway and Westbound side of Canberra Ave is still safe for 100 km/h, then the GDE could be safe for 120 km/h by comparison.

Or vice versa, if the GDE is really only safe for a maximum speed of 80 km/h, shouldn’t motorists be prohibited from travelling faster than 60 km/h on the old, dodgy sections of the Parkway?

The 80 km/h limit is a joke and is not going to be adhered to… even those doing their best to adhere to the limit will slip over it occasionally… as the road design will result in motorists not realising they’re going too fast without looking at their speedo.

Not sure what Sgt Bungers means by Westbound side of Canberra Ave,

http://actroads.org/archives/872

🙂

Sgt.Bungers 7:43 pm 09 Oct 11

screaming banshee said :

Sgt.Bungers said :

but the Monaro Highway has bike lanes and is 100 km/h… it also has at least one at grade intersection during the 100 km/h zone

I’m not overly familiar with the road, which intersection is that?

http://g.co/maps/34xhg

🙂

buzz819 12:30 pm 09 Oct 11

I think a 90 limit would be good, then the good ole chestnut of Drivers having to keep left unless overtaking would come into affect, not that it is ever adhered to.

shadow boxer 11:38 am 09 Oct 11

Jethro said :

So I took a drive down the newly opened road today and am man enough to admit when I’m wrong.
Once you get south of Mitchell, the 80 speed limit is completely ridiculous.

Nonetheless, anyone who complains when they get a speeding ticket is still an idiot. You can disagree with a speed limit whilst managing to stick to it.

and by a massive coincidence that is exactly the place the point to point cameras are going, Barton hwy to Belconnen way.

The black spot or not about revenue raising arguments can be completely ignored once this is in palce.

Aeek 9:35 pm 08 Oct 11

yellowsnow said :

Aeek said :

(I like cycling the GDE)

LOL! Not sure whether you’re joking, or have a deathwish.

Still, not as crazy as the folks who insist on cycling in the breakdown lane on the Parkway, or the Federal Hwy

Federal Highway would be me too. How else to get out to the Old Federal Highway?

nanzan 3:52 pm 08 Oct 11

I just travelled last night, on its first night open, the entire route from the Glenloch Interchange to Kosciuszko Avenue at around 10:45 pm, and discovered that around 20% of the street lights on the road were out! Isn’t that a few too many for a road that is now “fully open”?

Also, why and where does Caswell Drive morph into Gungahliin Drive? I entered the GDE from Parkes Way, coming from Civic, where there were two separate signs saying “Caswell Drive”, one before the exit and then one at the exit, and then once up onto Caswell Drive itself, about half way to Aranda, the very next sign called the road “Gungahlin Drive”. Which is it?

Jethro 12:54 pm 08 Oct 11

So I took a drive down the newly opened road today and am man enough to admit when I’m wrong.
Once you get south of Mitchell, the 80 speed limit is completely ridiculous.

Nonetheless, anyone who complains when they get a speeding ticket is still an idiot. You can disagree with a speed limit whilst managing to stick to it.

yellowsnow 12:54 am 08 Oct 11

Aeek said :

(I like cycling the GDE)

LOL! Not sure whether you’re joking, or have a deathwish.

Still, not as crazy as the folks who insist on cycling in the breakdown lane on the Parkway, or the Federal Hwy

Aeek 12:20 am 08 Oct 11

Why not 100 between the bridges, 80 around the bridges given the exits are marginal?

(I like cycling the GDE)

yellowsnow 12:18 am 08 Oct 11

Sgt.Bungers said :

If the aging Tuggeranong Parkway and Westbound side of Canberra Ave is still safe for 100 km/h, then the GDE could be safe for 120 km/h by comparison.

Or vice versa, if the GDE is really only safe for a maximum speed of 80 km/h, shouldn’t motorists be prohibited from travelling faster than 60 km/h on the old, dodgy sections of the Parkway?

The 80 km/h limit is a joke and is not going to be adhered to… even those doing their best to adhere to the limit will slip over it occasionally… as the road design will result in motorists not realising they’re going too fast without looking at their speedo.

Not sure what Sgt Bungers means by Westbound side of Canberra Ave, but it’s true the Tuggeranong Parkway is old and rough in parts — nothing a good resurface with smooth bitumen (rather than that rough as guts stuff that’s in vogue in many projects). But it’s also fairly straight, with clear lines of sight and few ramps. It was designed for 110kmh (though going over the narrowish bridges at this speed can be scary – maybe limit should be 90km north of Cotter rd). Undivided parts of William Hovell, signposted at 90kmh and with crazy intersections like the Coppins Crossing one, are also scary. The sergeant has a point about inconsistency, but they’ll improve these sections before they reduce the limit.

But if GDE had a 100kmh limit, half the people would drive 120km (many of them weaving in and out of lanes or tailgating to force others to speed), which would be way too dangerous on a road which was (according to the planners) designed for 90kmh. Happened to me the other day – almost lost control and veered off the road on a curved section due to some crazy and aggressive manouvering by others at high speed. I can see how the smooth surface and monotonous landscape could put many people to sleep or at least drive them to inattentiveness. Dozing off at 100kmh+ on roads with broad sweeping curves is not a place you want to be.

Maybe you could argue for 90kmh legitimately, but not more.

In his list of comparisons the Sargent also doesn’t mention Adelaide Ave – which has an 80kmh limit but is broad and straight and smooth like just about no other road. You could travel there 100kmh or even 120km with ease, but that’s not what it says on the signs. Proof that this is not just an anti-GDE govt conspiracy — I’m sure there are other factors at play in determining limits. Anyway, people should chill out a bit. Stressing and complaining and driving aggressively because speed limits are not what you want them to be is not a good way to start or finish off the working day.

screaming banshee 8:28 pm 07 Oct 11

Sgt.Bungers said :

but the Monaro Highway has bike lanes and is 100 km/h… it also has at least one at grade intersection during the 100 km/h zone

I’m not overly familiar with the road, which intersection is that?

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