Getting our gay marriage on

johnboy 7 December 2013 78
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Simon Corbell is deriving some satisfaction from Canberra’s groundbreaking gay marriages taking place in advance of the High Court’s ruling on his legislation:

Today is a very significant moment in the ACT’s and in the nation’s history as the first legally sanctioned marriages between same sex couples take place in the Territory throughout the weekend,Attorney-General, Simon Corbell, said.

“It is exciting for the couples, their families and friends and it is tremendous for the Territory because it shows how our community is tolerant, diverse, and accepting,” said Mr Corbell.

UPDATE: MartyO has sent in photos of the first ceremony at Parliament House between Stephen Dawson and Dennis Liddelow.

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Postalgeek Postalgeek 2:44 pm 09 Dec 13

wildturkeycanoe said :

Sciencerules – “Homosexuality isn’t a fetish. Nor is it a choice. Please explain how “male-female” is in the interests of society. Do you really think that establishing marriage equality will make more gays? How?”
I would say if we made all the speed limits $200km/h, we’d see a whole lot people doing those speeds. If possessing a weapon in public was legal, more likely than not we’d have gun toting folks on the streets like in Texas. Should marijuana be legalised, pot smokers would multiply. Making something legal will ultimately grow greater numbers of people doing it than if prohibition were enforced. That isn’t just my opinion, that’s the science of common sense.
You honestly think homosexuality is not a choice? C’mon, be serious. It’s just a way for ugly people who can’t get a partner of the opposite sex to find somebody else to be friends with.

I can see the new gay epidemic spreading as we speak:

“Oooh! I can marry another man now! I’ve been holding back from sex until after I was married because I believe in the sanctity of marriage so now I can finally be gay!”

c_c™ c_c™ 2:12 pm 09 Dec 13

kumadude said :

I myself do not believe in gay marriage due to it being an attack on economics and societies values.
Economically, there is no increase in productivity in the future due to lack of offspring.

Points for creativity but total bulls***. Gay people will not have offspring of their own regardless of whether they are permitted to marry or not. And they don’t seem to have any trouble at the moment raising adopted or donor born children. On the other hand, gay marriage would inject billions of dollars into the economy.

Watson Watson 1:20 pm 09 Dec 13

poetix said :

ScienceRules said :

Just curious, but is it possible for a christian anywhere to attempt to answer a question without employing an irrelevant, nonsensical analogy? …

No.
(-:

But surveys do show that 53% of people who identify as christians are in favour of gay marriage.

poetix poetix 12:28 pm 09 Dec 13

ScienceRules said :

Just curious, but is it possible for a christian anywhere to attempt to answer a question without employing an irrelevant, nonsensical analogy? …

No.
(-:

ausbradr ausbradr 11:52 am 09 Dec 13

johnboy said :

Quiet marriages eh?

Wish I got invited to the ones you do.

I imagine having a quiet marriage would save money on hiring a DJ / audio guy. 😀

Watson Watson 11:49 am 09 Dec 13

milkman said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

22Years said :

Adoption is the issue that many people struggle with about Gay Marriage – including myself. Gay Marriage is not an issue unless you make it one due to your own preferences and or beliefs – in my view it is fine if that is what any two people want to do. But adoption is an issue that should not be assumed (a right) or ignored (politically incorrect) or avoided (touchy). This is because it has a huge impact on someone’s life who is not and cannot be involved in the decision. And if you do not think that there is a difference and that there will not be a difference in their lives, then you are very wrong. And yes, there are bad Mum/Dad parents, but that is not the issue.

There are far more horrible Herero parents than there are gay parents, moron.

Evidence of this? Or is it just because there are more hetero parents?

There you go: http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/06/05/2106751/same-sex-parenting-study/

The studies this is based on are referenced, in case you don’t approve of the source.

Stevian Stevian 11:48 am 09 Dec 13

kumadude said :

Why is anyone with a differring opinion or belief called homophobic, there is a huge difference between fearing and loathing?

Loathing is fear expressed by cowards to scared to be afraid

HiddenDragon HiddenDragon 11:16 am 09 Dec 13

LSWCHP said :

Is it just me, or is the body language in a couple of those photos a bit odd? I mean, they’re kissing each other after just getting married, but they both have one hand jammed into their pockets and they seem to be turning away from each other.

I agree – it does look a bit awkward, but in a fairly blokey sort of way. It’s a long road (and I’m sure they made up for it later).

Roundhead89 Roundhead89 10:54 am 09 Dec 13

ScienceRules said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Deref said :

To those opposing this: what, in your mind, justifies preventing people from doing something that has no effect on you whatsoever and which harms no-one?

The mining projects near the great barrier reef don’t affect people nor do they harm anyone, nor does the carbon tax, nor does having an asylum seeker stay in Australia or being sent to a detention centre overseas. Every decision the government or we as a nation makes affects all of us in some way. This whole gay marriage thing right now is affecting everybody in this country because of the possibly hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars spent of taxpayer money, either fighting or defending it in the courts. How much better off would the homeless be had the money been spent on housing or food?

Sciencerules – “Homosexuality isn’t a fetish. Nor is it a choice. Please explain how “male-female” is in the interests of society. Do you really think that establishing marriage equality will make more gays? How?”
I would say if we made all the speed limits $200km/h, we’d see a whole lot people doing those speeds. If possessing a weapon in public was legal, more likely than not we’d have gun toting folks on the streets like in Texas. Should marijuana be legalised, pot smokers would multiply. Making something legal will ultimately grow greater numbers of people doing it than if prohibition were enforced. That isn’t just my opinion, that’s the science of common sense.
You honestly think homosexuality is not a choice? C’mon, be serious. It’s just a way for ugly people who can’t get a partner of the opposite sex to find somebody else to be friends with.

Just curious, but is it possible for a christian anywhere to attempt to answer a question without employing an irrelevant, nonsensical analogy?

So sexuality isn’t a choice, eh? Well then, show us how much of a choice it is with a quick demonstration. Change your own sexuality for say six months and then I’ll believe you.

And I have to say I’m encouraged by your nasty, hate-filled comments at the end of your post. At least you’re starting to be honest about your motivations now and leaving aside all the other distractions. You just don’t like gay people do you? There, wasn’t so hard now was it? Just say “gay people are icky and I don’t want them to have the same rights as straight people” and I’d at least have a modicum of respect for you.

This argument about homosexuality either being a choice or people being born that way is stupid. The fact is that both are true. Many people are born gay but many more tire of hetrosexuality later in life and start experimenting with members of the same gender. These people consider themselves as straight but curious. To have this nonsense about homosexuality being a choice, thus not being valid – an argument that religious fanatics threw up during the gay law reform debates in the 1970s and ’80s – is ridiculous in the 21st Century.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 9:30 am 09 Dec 13

kumadude said :

Why is anyone with a differring opinion or belief called homophobic, there is a huge difference between fearing and loathing?

Exactly. They’re not afraid, they’re just arseholes.

kumadude kumadude 9:30 am 09 Dec 13
ScienceRules ScienceRules 9:20 am 09 Dec 13

gooterz said :

Can someone explain the for gay marriage logic:

.

Yes mate I could. You could do it yourself by just reading this thread. But you’ve no interest at all in understanding the issue do you? That would involve more humanity than you’re capable of so stick with your straw-men, stick with your dogma, stick with your hatred. After all, I’m sure it keeps you warm at night.

ScienceRules ScienceRules 9:17 am 09 Dec 13

wildturkeycanoe said :

Deref said :

To those opposing this: what, in your mind, justifies preventing people from doing something that has no effect on you whatsoever and which harms no-one?

The mining projects near the great barrier reef don’t affect people nor do they harm anyone, nor does the carbon tax, nor does having an asylum seeker stay in Australia or being sent to a detention centre overseas. Every decision the government or we as a nation makes affects all of us in some way. This whole gay marriage thing right now is affecting everybody in this country because of the possibly hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars spent of taxpayer money, either fighting or defending it in the courts. How much better off would the homeless be had the money been spent on housing or food?

Sciencerules – “Homosexuality isn’t a fetish. Nor is it a choice. Please explain how “male-female” is in the interests of society. Do you really think that establishing marriage equality will make more gays? How?”
I would say if we made all the speed limits $200km/h, we’d see a whole lot people doing those speeds. If possessing a weapon in public was legal, more likely than not we’d have gun toting folks on the streets like in Texas. Should marijuana be legalised, pot smokers would multiply. Making something legal will ultimately grow greater numbers of people doing it than if prohibition were enforced. That isn’t just my opinion, that’s the science of common sense.
You honestly think homosexuality is not a choice? C’mon, be serious. It’s just a way for ugly people who can’t get a partner of the opposite sex to find somebody else to be friends with.

Just curious, but is it possible for a christian anywhere to attempt to answer a question without employing an irrelevant, nonsensical analogy?

So sexuality isn’t a choice, eh? Well then, show us how much of a choice it is with a quick demonstration. Change your own sexuality for say six months and then I’ll believe you.

And I have to say I’m encouraged by your nasty, hate-filled comments at the end of your post. At least you’re starting to be honest about your motivations now and leaving aside all the other distractions. You just don’t like gay people do you? There, wasn’t so hard now was it? Just say “gay people are icky and I don’t want them to have the same rights as straight people” and I’d at least have a modicum of respect for you.

kumadude kumadude 9:10 am 09 Dec 13

Why is anyone with a differring opinion or belief called homophobic, there is a huge difference between fearing and loathing?

Jim Jones Jim Jones 8:23 am 09 Dec 13

wildturkeycanoe said :

that’s the science of common sense.

And with that you’ve conclusively proven that you understand neither science nor common sense.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 8:20 am 09 Dec 13

gooterz said :

Can someone explain the for gay marriage logic:

Assumption 1. Marriage isn’t anything special.
Assumption 2. Same sex marriage won’t change anything for hetero couples.
Therefore logically same sex should get married, because it means so much to them.

Why does in the same set of logic that marriage mean so little yet seems to be so wanted by same sex, and if it doesn’t have any effect on hetero’s then what is it going to do for same sex couples.
––––––––––
The only thing that logically makes sense is that hey you have something we don’t have, I can get it so I’m going too make it worthless.

How could we tell this is happening? Only if same sex couples do such a song and dance about it when they get it.

Really it should go to a referendum, if it doesn’t pass then we wait 10 years.

Wow. You really demolished *that* straw man.

:rollseyes:

Thumper Thumper 8:11 am 09 Dec 13

Jesus as a folk singer. Ah yes, I forgot the Book of Dylan. That’s where he plugs in his guitar and everyone yells out ‘Judas’.

That is very, very good 🙂

Morgan Morgan 7:22 am 09 Dec 13

Turn back the gays, when it is safe to do so.

Where is my secular state? We already have divorce laws which are contrary to the beliefs of the church why can’t we have other legal institutions not bound by the beliefs of the church which I may not be a member.

Why is marriage the only thing the liberal party won’t deregulate?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 6:31 am 09 Dec 13

kumadude said :

There are far more horrible Herero parents than there are gay parents, moron.

…That is an easy statement, based on biology.

I myself do not believe in gay marriage due to it being an attack on economics and societies values.
Economically, there is no increase in productivity in the future due to lack of offspring.
And there is no point in focusing on what Jesus said, he was a soft folk singer. Read the old testament which suggests through the ages that such extreme behavior has a negative impact on society, this is where the concept of ethics and morals is based. Islam, Judaism and Christianity all developed from the lessons learnt during evil times. i.e. Sodom and Gomorrah
Male-female is in the interests of society, whereas all other forms of fetishes are not.
Though I do believe we should have a referendum not a conscious vote on such a matter. Then we hear all of Australia’s opinion.

The Old Testament is not a historical record.

Whar we do have historical record of is the mongols raping and murdering half the world away. Do you consider that evil? Because history shows us civilisation would be a very different thing to what we know now if they never left the steppes.

You cannot say stuff like people learnt values from evil things(and evil is subjective, is it not?), when evil has clearly benefited how we live today.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 6:24 am 09 Dec 13

milkman said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

22Years said :

Adoption is the issue that many people struggle with about Gay Marriage – including myself. Gay Marriage is not an issue unless you make it one due to your own preferences and or beliefs – in my view it is fine if that is what any two people want to do. But adoption is an issue that should not be assumed (a right) or ignored (politically incorrect) or avoided (touchy). This is because it has a huge impact on someone’s life who is not and cannot be involved in the decision. And if you do not think that there is a difference and that there will not be a difference in their lives, then you are very wrong. And yes, there are bad Mum/Dad parents, but that is not the issue.

There are far more horrible Herero parents than there are gay parents, moron.

Evidence of this? Or is it just because there are more hetero parents?

Irrelevant. I’m just stating facts.

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