Getting our gay marriage on

johnboy 7 December 2013 78
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Simon Corbell is deriving some satisfaction from Canberra’s groundbreaking gay marriages taking place in advance of the High Court’s ruling on his legislation:

Today is a very significant moment in the ACT’s and in the nation’s history as the first legally sanctioned marriages between same sex couples take place in the Territory throughout the weekend,Attorney-General, Simon Corbell, said.

“It is exciting for the couples, their families and friends and it is tremendous for the Territory because it shows how our community is tolerant, diverse, and accepting,” said Mr Corbell.

UPDATE: MartyO has sent in photos of the first ceremony at Parliament House between Stephen Dawson and Dennis Liddelow.

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Thumper Thumper 8:11 am 09 Dec 13

Jesus as a folk singer. Ah yes, I forgot the Book of Dylan. That’s where he plugs in his guitar and everyone yells out ‘Judas’.

That is very, very good 🙂

Morgan Morgan 7:22 am 09 Dec 13

Turn back the gays, when it is safe to do so.

Where is my secular state? We already have divorce laws which are contrary to the beliefs of the church why can’t we have other legal institutions not bound by the beliefs of the church which I may not be a member.

Why is marriage the only thing the liberal party won’t deregulate?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 6:31 am 09 Dec 13

kumadude said :

There are far more horrible Herero parents than there are gay parents, moron.

…That is an easy statement, based on biology.

I myself do not believe in gay marriage due to it being an attack on economics and societies values.
Economically, there is no increase in productivity in the future due to lack of offspring.
And there is no point in focusing on what Jesus said, he was a soft folk singer. Read the old testament which suggests through the ages that such extreme behavior has a negative impact on society, this is where the concept of ethics and morals is based. Islam, Judaism and Christianity all developed from the lessons learnt during evil times. i.e. Sodom and Gomorrah
Male-female is in the interests of society, whereas all other forms of fetishes are not.
Though I do believe we should have a referendum not a conscious vote on such a matter. Then we hear all of Australia’s opinion.

The Old Testament is not a historical record.

Whar we do have historical record of is the mongols raping and murdering half the world away. Do you consider that evil? Because history shows us civilisation would be a very different thing to what we know now if they never left the steppes.

You cannot say stuff like people learnt values from evil things(and evil is subjective, is it not?), when evil has clearly benefited how we live today.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 6:24 am 09 Dec 13

milkman said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

22Years said :

Adoption is the issue that many people struggle with about Gay Marriage – including myself. Gay Marriage is not an issue unless you make it one due to your own preferences and or beliefs – in my view it is fine if that is what any two people want to do. But adoption is an issue that should not be assumed (a right) or ignored (politically incorrect) or avoided (touchy). This is because it has a huge impact on someone’s life who is not and cannot be involved in the decision. And if you do not think that there is a difference and that there will not be a difference in their lives, then you are very wrong. And yes, there are bad Mum/Dad parents, but that is not the issue.

There are far more horrible Herero parents than there are gay parents, moron.

Evidence of this? Or is it just because there are more hetero parents?

Irrelevant. I’m just stating facts.

wildturkeycanoe wildturkeycanoe 6:17 am 09 Dec 13

Deref said :

To those opposing this: what, in your mind, justifies preventing people from doing something that has no effect on you whatsoever and which harms no-one?

The mining projects near the great barrier reef don’t affect people nor do they harm anyone, nor does the carbon tax, nor does having an asylum seeker stay in Australia or being sent to a detention centre overseas. Every decision the government or we as a nation makes affects all of us in some way. This whole gay marriage thing right now is affecting everybody in this country because of the possibly hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars spent of taxpayer money, either fighting or defending it in the courts. How much better off would the homeless be had the money been spent on housing or food?

Sciencerules – “Homosexuality isn’t a fetish. Nor is it a choice. Please explain how “male-female” is in the interests of society. Do you really think that establishing marriage equality will make more gays? How?”
I would say if we made all the speed limits $200km/h, we’d see a whole lot people doing those speeds. If possessing a weapon in public was legal, more likely than not we’d have gun toting folks on the streets like in Texas. Should marijuana be legalised, pot smokers would multiply. Making something legal will ultimately grow greater numbers of people doing it than if prohibition were enforced. That isn’t just my opinion, that’s the science of common sense.
You honestly think homosexuality is not a choice? C’mon, be serious. It’s just a way for ugly people who can’t get a partner of the opposite sex to find somebody else to be friends with.

c_c™ c_c™ 2:01 am 09 Dec 13

Pork Hunt said :

PantsMan said :

And on Thursday the High Court will declare this over. Next.

PantsMan said :

And on Thursday the High Court will declare this over. Next.

With a bit of luck, Michael Kirby will have made an influence on his mates who remain at the High Court while he was there.

Kirby had very limited influence on his colleagues, indeed by the time he concluded his term he was a habitual lone dissenter and had given up trying to convince other to join his lines of reasoning. Institutionally the place was very backwards too, he had to push his colleagues very hard to support his bid for the judicial pension to be granted to his partner. And when the ComCar scandal broke, things got very messy between the justices, Gaudron (a long time antagonist of Kirby) was among his only supporters curiously.

gooterz said :

Can someone explain the for gay marriage logic:

Assumption 1. Marriage isn’t anything special.
Assumption 2. Same sex marriage won’t change anything for hetero couples.
Therefore logically same sex should get married, because it means so much to them.

Why does in the same set of logic that marriage mean so little yet seems to be so wanted by same sex, and if it doesn’t have any effect on hetero’s then what is it going to do for same sex couples.
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The only thing that logically makes sense is that hey you have something we don’t have, I can get it so I’m going too make it worthless.

How could we tell this is happening? Only if same sex couples do such a song and dance about it when they get it.

Really it should go to a referendum, if it doesn’t pass then we wait 10 years.

Where have we heard this kind of talk before? Oh that right, Constitutional Conventions in the 1800s, some colonies had divorce laws that were deemed too liberal and threatened the institutional of marriage.

High divorce rates and the legal extension of the rights of traditional married couples to heterosexual de facto couples have already done a fine job dispelling the importance of marriage as an institution. Social attitudes have done the rest; a lot of hetero people don’t care about marriage, don’t place a high value on it, or are happy enough to try it and leave it as one would do with a consumer product rather than supposedly sacred vows.

That same extension of legal-rights included extensions of rights to same-sex couples. And for homosexuals the same views of marriage exist; many don’t care about whether same-sex marriage exists or not, many don’t place a high value on the notion of marriage and won’t make use of it if it is introduced.

Same-sex marriage will have no practical effect for same-sex couples, but for that segment who do value the institution of marriage, like that segment of heterosexuals who do, it will mean something… spiritually I guess one could say.

watto23 watto23 12:12 am 09 Dec 13

PantsMan said :

And on Thursday the High Court will declare this over. Next.

No it will just keep the debate going until the federal government changes the law in 5,10 or 20+ years time. It has been legalised in many countries and the fear people keep sprouting has not occurred there. It might take another labor government though so prob 6 years until everyone realises again the libs lie just as much as labor and vote them out.

Those against this have no valid arguments, other than their own fears and beliefs, used to control them by their relevant church or belief system. Polygamy and bestiality are illegal so there is no need to fear those wanting marriage, i don’t think they will be legalised any time soon or ever. Far more likely of aliens arriving and people wanting to marry aliens, thats how crazy this bestiality marriage ideas used by religious groups are.

gooterz gooterz 11:20 pm 08 Dec 13

Can someone explain the for gay marriage logic:

Assumption 1. Marriage isn’t anything special.
Assumption 2. Same sex marriage won’t change anything for hetero couples.
Therefore logically same sex should get married, because it means so much to them.

Why does in the same set of logic that marriage mean so little yet seems to be so wanted by same sex, and if it doesn’t have any effect on hetero’s then what is it going to do for same sex couples.
––––––––––
The only thing that logically makes sense is that hey you have something we don’t have, I can get it so I’m going too make it worthless.

How could we tell this is happening? Only if same sex couples do such a song and dance about it when they get it.

Really it should go to a referendum, if it doesn’t pass then we wait 10 years.

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 11:11 pm 08 Dec 13

PantsMan said :

And on Thursday the High Court will declare this over. Next.

PantsMan said :

And on Thursday the High Court will declare this over. Next.

With a bit of luck, Michael Kirby will have made an influence on his mates who remain at the High Court while he was there.

c_c™ c_c™ 11:08 pm 08 Dec 13

PantsMan said :

And on Thursday the High Court will declare this over. Next.

That is very unlikely.

My prediction is they will actually allow it, say a 50% chance.

40% chance I give it that they strike the current law, but word a judgement in such a way that it’s basically a redraft of the law that will let it be passed again per the court’s decision.

I’d say only a 10% chance they’ll deny it outright.

PantsMan PantsMan 10:57 pm 08 Dec 13

And on Thursday the High Court will declare this over. Next.

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 10:52 pm 08 Dec 13

poetix said :

kumadude said :

There are far more horrible Herero parents than there are gay parents, moron.

…That is an easy statement, based on biology.

I myself do not believe in gay marriage due to it being an attack on economics and societies values.
Economically, there is no increase in productivity in the future due to lack of offspring.
And there is no point in focusing on what Jesus said, he was a soft folk singer. Read the old testament which suggests through the ages that such extreme behavior has a negative impact on society, this is where the concept of ethics and morals is based. Islam, Judaism and Christianity all developed from the lessons learnt during evil times. i.e. Sodom and Gomorrah
Male-female is in the interests of society, whereas all other forms of fetishes are not.
Though I do believe we should have a referendum not a conscious vote on such a matter. Then we hear all of Australia’s opinion.

Jesus as a folk singer. Ah yes, I forgot the Book of Dylan. That’s where he plugs in his guitar and everyone yells out ‘Judas’.

The gospel shows it was a very valuable guitar…
http://media.canberratimes.com.au/national/selections/bob-dylans-guitar-breaks-auction-record-4989471.html

poetix poetix 10:42 pm 08 Dec 13

kumadude said :

There are far more horrible Herero parents than there are gay parents, moron.

…That is an easy statement, based on biology.

I myself do not believe in gay marriage due to it being an attack on economics and societies values.
Economically, there is no increase in productivity in the future due to lack of offspring.
And there is no point in focusing on what Jesus said, he was a soft folk singer. Read the old testament which suggests through the ages that such extreme behavior has a negative impact on society, this is where the concept of ethics and morals is based. Islam, Judaism and Christianity all developed from the lessons learnt during evil times. i.e. Sodom and Gomorrah
Male-female is in the interests of society, whereas all other forms of fetishes are not.
Though I do believe we should have a referendum not a conscious vote on such a matter. Then we hear all of Australia’s opinion.

Jesus as a folk singer. Ah yes, I forgot the Book of Dylan. That’s where he plugs in his guitar and everyone yells out ‘Judas’.

ScienceRules ScienceRules 10:20 pm 08 Dec 13

kumadude said :

There are far more horrible Herero parents than there are gay parents, moron.

…That is an easy statement, based on biology.

I myself do not believe in gay marriage due to it being an attack on economics and societies values.
Economically, there is no increase in productivity in the future due to lack of offspring.
And there is no point in focusing on what Jesus said, he was a soft folk singer. Read the old testament which suggests through the ages that such extreme behavior has a negative impact on society, this is where the concept of ethics and morals is based. Islam, Judaism and Christianity all developed from the lessons learnt during evil times. i.e. Sodom and Gomorrah
Male-female is in the interests of society, whereas all other forms of fetishes are not.
Though I do believe we should have a referendum not a conscious vote on such a matter. Then we hear all of Australia’s opinion.

I’ll try and use small words…

Marriage isn’t a commercial arrangement. Infertile people marry, older people marry and gay people can now marry. As well as people who just don’t want to have children. Married or not, people will have exactly the same number of kids.

No, we won’t be using your barbaric nonsense to make the rules for society today. Sorry, perhaps Saudi Arabia might be more to your taste.

Homosexuality isn’t a fetish. Nor is it a choice. Please explain how “male-female” is in the interests of society. Do you really think that establishing marriage equality will make more gays? How?

We don’t need a referendum for every law or policy change. I’m pretty sure you’d only demand it relating to things you don’t approve of anyway.

You may think I’m mocking you, but I’m not really. You’re afraid and you’ve no reason to be. Marriage equality won’t effect your marriage or mine. It just means that two homosexual people who love each other can now get married. Relax. Have a nice glass of wine.

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 10:19 pm 08 Dec 13

kumadude said :

There are far more horrible Herero parents than there are gay parents, moron.

…That is an easy statement, based on biology.

I myself do not believe in gay marriage due to it being an attack on economics and societies values.
Economically, there is no increase in productivity in the future due to lack of offspring.
And there is no point in focusing on what Jesus said, he was a soft folk singer. Read the old testament which suggests through the ages that such extreme behavior has a negative impact on society, this is where the concept of ethics and morals is based. Islam, Judaism and Christianity all developed from the lessons learnt during evil times. i.e. Sodom and Gomorrah
Male-female is in the interests of society, whereas all other forms of fetishes are not.
Though I do believe we should have a referendum not a conscious vote on such a matter. Then we hear all of Australia’s opinion.

Conscience.

kumadude kumadude 9:35 pm 08 Dec 13

There are far more horrible Herero parents than there are gay parents, moron.

…That is an easy statement, based on biology.

I myself do not believe in gay marriage due to it being an attack on economics and societies values.
Economically, there is no increase in productivity in the future due to lack of offspring.
And there is no point in focusing on what Jesus said, he was a soft folk singer. Read the old testament which suggests through the ages that such extreme behavior has a negative impact on society, this is where the concept of ethics and morals is based. Islam, Judaism and Christianity all developed from the lessons learnt during evil times. i.e. Sodom and Gomorrah
Male-female is in the interests of society, whereas all other forms of fetishes are not.
Though I do believe we should have a referendum not a conscious vote on such a matter. Then we hear all of Australia’s opinion.

milkman milkman 8:57 pm 08 Dec 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

22Years said :

Adoption is the issue that many people struggle with about Gay Marriage – including myself. Gay Marriage is not an issue unless you make it one due to your own preferences and or beliefs – in my view it is fine if that is what any two people want to do. But adoption is an issue that should not be assumed (a right) or ignored (politically incorrect) or avoided (touchy). This is because it has a huge impact on someone’s life who is not and cannot be involved in the decision. And if you do not think that there is a difference and that there will not be a difference in their lives, then you are very wrong. And yes, there are bad Mum/Dad parents, but that is not the issue.

There are far more horrible Herero parents than there are gay parents, moron.

Evidence of this? Or is it just because there are more hetero parents?

milkman milkman 8:57 pm 08 Dec 13

gooterz said :

Deref said :

To those opposing this: what, in your mind, justifies preventing people from doing something that has no effect on you whatsoever and which harms no-one?

So your not against the Tiananmen Square massacre? Because it has no effect on you what so ever.

Ps these changes affect everyone ability to homosexual marriage. So it does actually effect everyone rights.

The polygamists are already looking for their equality.

There was an interesting article about polyamory and lobbying recently on CNN.

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 8:47 pm 08 Dec 13

gooterz said :

Deref said :

To those opposing this: what, in your mind, justifies preventing people from doing something that has no effect on you whatsoever and which harms no-one?

So your not against the Tiananmen Square massacre? Because it has no effect on you what so ever.

Ps these changes affect everyone ability to homosexual marriage. So it does actually effect everyone rights.

The polygamists are already looking for their equality.

Um, the Tiananmen massacre ACTUALLY hurt some people. You will not be run over by a tank because someone gets married.
On the other hand, polygamy has its own rewards, two (or more) mothers-in-law…

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 8:00 pm 08 Dec 13

22Years said :

Adoption is the issue that many people struggle with about Gay Marriage – including myself. Gay Marriage is not an issue unless you make it one due to your own preferences and or beliefs – in my view it is fine if that is what any two people want to do. But adoption is an issue that should not be assumed (a right) or ignored (politically incorrect) or avoided (touchy). This is because it has a huge impact on someone’s life who is not and cannot be involved in the decision. And if you do not think that there is a difference and that there will not be a difference in their lives, then you are very wrong. And yes, there are bad Mum/Dad parents, but that is not the issue.

There are far more horrible Herero parents than there are gay parents, moron.

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